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stoneonstone wrote:From Jeff's latest entry No Guru, No Method, No Teacher:
"Is it a sign of health that such figures have elbowed their way to the front? If he were still alive, we could ask Donald Keyhoe. What should we make of their laser-like focus upon Pentagon missile theory and demolition? Why are none of them apparently interested in talking about, say, Norman Mineta's testimony before the 9/11 Commission ("Do the orders still stand?"), and its excision from the commission's video archive and published record?"
To me this has always been one of the most disturbing 'out plops the hoven cloven hoof' moment of the official scramble.
Nobody prods and pokes this one...or demands to see the Bush/Cheny, secret, off-the-record testimony. Or even leaks of that bullshit.
Thoughts about poor Mineta's moment of unguarded honesty?
Cheers,
GH
and i have begun to look at the matrix trilogy in a whole new light. in the Deus Ex game it actually has the WTC towers missing. and this game was raleased on 6/22/00.
dugoboy wrote:... in this kind of society of ours due to the complete free for all of information we have that you can see the truth and never know it because theres so much garbage that is cluttered around it. as long as nothing truthful gains attention it won't be a problem. so 911 may have gotten attention but it has pretty much been neutralized as of today.
.... 911 was the most ultimate deus ex machina acted upon man. its the story that matters most now, we will bicker over the specifics for eternity. but 911 was the event that was used, as a prop, to further a whole new agenda.
i blame many things. i blame certain people who chose to embrace the idea with completely off the wall concepts of what happened that day, thereby killing the very interest any serious people might have in it.
IGNPC: How conscious are you guys of the correlation between the content of your game and the current global situation?
Harvey Smith: We have a running joke that's actually kind of creepy at times. Even on the first game, when we'd put something in the game, someone would point out that it had happened in the real world. Wow, that's creepy. It's not like we're forecasting or geniuses or anything. It's just when you take these elements -- conspiracy, control of power, left versus right, scientific advancement and the impact on culture -- and stir them together with an agenda, you're going to hit patterns that repeat.
We were even going to mix in religion with the first game. A lot of people don't know this but J.C. Denton was supposed to be a descendant of Jesus Christ. We were going to pick up the old theory that Jesus had kids and that J.C. Denton had DNA from Jesus. When you mix those elements around you come up with these recurring patterns.
I don't know if everyone knows this but if you fire up the original Deus Ex and you run around in Liberty Island when we made the skyline in the background we had pieces with the Twin Towers and pieces for the other parts of the city and for New Jersey. The texture memory was so high that I couldn't use it all. I took one of the pieces and put it on one side, flipped it and put it on the other. So I made New York out of one half of the city so the Twin Towers were out.
When people complained, we just explained that it had been destroyed by terrorist attacks. We start the game with the Liberty Island statue having been destroyed by terrorists a few years before. We just said that the towers had been destroyed too. And this was way before 9-11. Years. That's kind of freaky. There are correlations. We're using the WTO in this game and there are WTO riots in Seattle every few years.
We ask questions like, "What is a terrorist?" Are our troops terrorists when they bomb a foreign city and rape the people? They're freedom fighters at times. Cleary, they do good work. I was in the Air Force and I'm not anti-military but it depends on your perspective as to whether you see them as freedom fighters or terrorists. When it's convenient our government has called people in South America freedom fighters; that same administration has later called those people terrorists. There are a lot of weird parallels going on in the world and we're not afraid to touch upon that.
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We were even going to mix in religion with the first game. A lot of people don't know this but J.C. Denton was supposed to be a descendant of Jesus Christ. We were going to pick up the old theory that Jesus had kids and that J.C. Denton had DNA from Jesus. When you mix those elements around you come up with these recurring patterns.
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