Disney's National Treasure 2: Ultimate conspiracy hijacking

[FourthBase]

There will be people who go in search of facts about conspiracies after having seen this crap movie.

With a certain portion landing here eventually.

Well, that's a silver lining, since we're teh shizznit.
Goes to show why the board being googleable is a good idea.

[professorpan]

Humans have always enjoyed mysteries, coverups, and conspiracies since Grugg sat around the campfire complaining about how Urgu and Grumgush were hoarding all the mammoth giblets.

Creative folks at Disney know that.

Disney exists to make money.

Ergo, Disney makes a movie about stuff people enjoy in order to make money.

Mammon is the force behind the conspiracy.

[FourthBase]

Humans have always enjoyed mysteries, coverups, and conspiracies since Grugg sat around the campfire complaining about how Urgu and Grumgush were hoarding all the mammoth giblets.

Creative folks at Disney know that.

Disney exists to make money.

Ergo, Disney makes a movie about stuff people enjoy in order to make money.

Mammon is the force behind the conspiracy.

Pan, you're kind of overlooking the documented relationship between Disney and the military-intel establishment, no? If you believe in the existence of elite-driven parapolitical conspiracies (or an organic network of collusion or whatever you want to call it) (and I'm not quite sure what you generally believe/disbelieve) then how can you not believe that the same planners and perpetrators behind wars wouldn't make sure to have a hand in controlling the output of the world's manufacturers of pop culture?

[IanEye]

Humans have always enjoyed mysteries, coverups, and conspiracies since Grugg sat around the campfire complaining about how Urgu and Grumgush were hoarding all the mammoth giblets.

Creative folks at Disney know that.

Disney exists to make money.

Ergo, Disney makes a movie about stuff people enjoy in order to make money.

Mammon is the force behind the conspiracy.

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The Babylonian Woe

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[8bitagent]

Im surprised they dont have National Treasure 2 happy meals, action figures, etc. It is after all Disney's tentpole family film for the season.

Maybe they could give these away?

[professorpan]

Pan, you're kind of overlooking the documented relationship between Disney and the military-intel establishment, no? If you believe in the existence of elite-driven parapolitical conspiracies (or an organic network of collusion or whatever you want to call it) (and I'm not quite sure what you generally believe/disbelieve) then how can you not believe that the same planners and perpetrators behind wars wouldn't make sure to have a hand in controlling the output of the world's manufacturers of pop culture?

I am not overlooking anything. Has there been a relationship between Disney and the U.S. government? Sure. Is there still a relationship, insofar as content is controlled or manipulated? Possibly, but I see little evidence of that.

Is Disney content orchestrated to serve government or CIA interests, via hijacking ideas or keywords, as Hugh suggests? No.

Hugh (and those who think he is "on to something") are the ones making extraordinary claims, and I haven't seen a smidgen of evidence backing up that kind of conspiracy and control.

I feel no strong need to "believe" in things that aren't supported by evidence, regardless of how exciting, intriguing, well-argued, or poetic they might be.

[FourthBase]

I am not overlooking anything. Has there been a relationship between Disney and the U.S. government? Sure. Is there still a relationship, insofar as content is controlled or manipulated? Possibly, but I see little evidence of that.

You think there's less likelihood today that Disney and the government have a relationship? You think that relationship hasn't gotten stronger over the decades? You take lack of visibility for lack of existence, when it probably only means they've gotten savvier at hiding the relationship?

Is Disney content orchestrated to serve government or CIA interests, via hijacking ideas or keywords, as Hugh suggests? No.

That's it? "No"? Orchestrated is probably an overstatement, but there's some kind of influence, to some kind of degree, in at least some of Disney's product. Is it via hijacking ideas/words? Probably ideas more than words, but yeah, hijacking would probably be a component of the relationship. To the extent Hugh proposes (or rather, baselessly claims to be fact)? Eh, I don't know.

Hugh (and those who think he is "on to something") are the ones making extraordinary claims, and I haven't seen a smidgen of evidence backing up that kind of conspiracy and control.

Part of the evidence is the previous relationship, and previous relationships like that don't just dissappear or even dissipate, they get stronger. Especially in our day and age, with the amount of concentrated power and secrecy in the entertainment industry. If you don't see the previous relationship as evidence of an existing relationship, then you've got a fundamental problem with your intuition/perception.

I feel no strong need to "believe" in things that aren't supported by evidence, regardless of how exciting, intriguing, well-argued, or poetic they might be.

Errrm, I don't feel a strong need either. But I also don't need a 200-page portfolio of exquisitely demonstrated evidence to believe something is probably going on. I just need a certain amount of evidence, a view of the big picture, logic, and intuition.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

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I am not overlooking anything. Has there been a relationship between Disney and the U.S. government? Sure. Is there still a relationship, insofar as content is controlled or manipulated? Possibly, but I see little evidence of that.

Is Disney content orchestrated to serve government or CIA interests, via hijacking ideas or keywords, as Hugh suggests? No.

Just "No." Um, as my math teacher used to say, please show your work. heh.
There hasn't been a government since the invention of film that hasn't used it as propaganda.

>If the army used ammunition during WWII, do you logically infer that it does so now?
>If the Office of War Information used Hollywood for propaganda during WWII, do you logically infer that it did so during the permanent state of war originally called the Cold War?
>If the CIA had a mole in atleast one movie studio in 1953, as documents show, AND the State Department and Pentagon have had offices in Hollywood clearing and modifying scripts since the Cold War, is it logical to infer that such things are done now?

Have you ever heard of Jack Valenti?
Why did Karl Rove meet with studio heads after 9/11?

etc. etc. etc.

Hugh (and those who think he is "on to something") are the ones making extraordinary claims, and I haven't seen a smidgen of evidence backing up that kind of conspiracy and control.

"Extraordinary?" Pan, governments have been using propaganda for centuries and psy-ops since World War One.

I feel no strong need to "believe" in things that aren't supported by evidence, regardless of how exciting, intriguing, well-argued, or poetic they might be.

"Need to believe," while clever 'paranoid X-Files fan' framing, has nothing to do with acquired knowledge of the open source history, science, players, and practice of psy-ops, advertising, subliminal suggestion, the national security state, developmental psychology, linguistics, neuroscience, and black propaganda.

Other than a "need" to do the research and face the facts.

Your flat denial that Disney, for instance, is currently a government psy-ops device for America's children reflects poorly on your ability to do the research on Disney's past track record, the CIA's documented history as the covert Ministry of Culture, and the many Disney narratives I've analyzed in temporal context starting with the 1939 story book, 'Mickey Never Fails,' which prepared children for WWII.

Pan, what do you think of the theme introduced on page 7 of 'Mickey Never Fails?'
What are the pictogram themes on page 45?
How does the pictogram on page 100 resolve issues of gender and war illustrated with the pictogram on page 6?
Is there an implied tension unresolved but with a solution suggested by the pictogram on page 102?

You say you write fiction. You should recognize that stories have human values in them, yes?

What a drab joyless world it would be if stories had no meanings.

[Hugo Farnsworth]

@IanEye:

The nuggets (links) provided by the contributors of this forum always leave me breathless.

I read Astle's book about 15 years ago, borrowed from a friend. Nice to see it online.

Thanks.