West develops taste for primates

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:14 pm

(Maybe that <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=4468.topic">Extreme Cuisine</a> parody wasn't so far off.) West develops taste for primates 5-Jul-2006 New Scientist Meat from wild primates killed in Africa is landing on dinner plates in North America and western Europe. Offered for sale in clandestine markets from Los Angeles to Paris, primates make up nearly a third of the illegal international trade in bushmeat, according to a survey of markets in seven cities. Rumours of the existence of such markets have floated around for years, says wildlife biologist Justin Brashares of the University of California, Berkeley. Confirmation came from a chance encounter with a taxi driver from Ghana two years ago. When asked if he missed eating bushmeat, the driver said, "I don't, really." He then offered to show Brashares a market in a warehouse in Brooklyn, New York, where bushmeat is sold. "I was shocked that open markets sell large quantities of African bushmeat in major cities outside of Africa," Brashares says. Starting with his initial contact, Brashares has recruited 15 volunteers, expatriates from west Africa to visit illegal markets in Paris, Brussels, London, New York, Montreal, Toronto and Chicago. A market in Los Angeles has just been added to the list. Two volunteers separately recorded the amount of bushmeat for sale at one sample location in each city. Just over 6000 kilograms of meat moves through these seven markets each month, Brashares told the Society for Conservation Biology when it met in San Jose, California, on 28 June. This probably underestimates the international trade, itself only a tiny fraction of the wild meat hunted in Africa, most of which is eaten locally. Primate meat makes up a larger share of what is sold overseas compared with markets in west and central Africa. "I have 27 records of chimpanzee and gorilla parts being sold in the markets," Brashares told New Scientist. "In each case it was not a complete body, but a hand, leg or, in two cases, a head." Guenon monkeys and baboon species appear to be a big part of the trade, he says. Small antelopes called duikers are the most commonly sold animal, and the rest of the trade is made up of rodents, reptiles and birds. ... "It's part of what is clearly a luxury trade," says Brashares. "They could go and buy a filet mignon in London for what they're paying for baboon." <a href="http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-07/ns-wdt070506.php">www.eurekalert.org</a>

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:19 pm

I saw this earlier.. There's absolutely no accounting for taste, is there? ____________________ Oderint, dum metuant

by **FourthBase** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:47 pm

I hope some of that cannibalistic primate flesh winds up in your cow flesh patties and pig flesh tubes. Enjoy your summertime cookouts! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p">

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:51 pm

Why would you say that? ____________________ Oderint, dum metuant

by **FourthBase** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:06 am

Because there's only a minor qualitative difference between eating bushmeat and cowmeat/pigmeat. Yes, murdering chimps and gorillas to eat them is horrifying. But only slightly more horrifying than doing it to other animals. Sorry for taking this thread "there", but I have no choice.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:37 am

Here's an ape disappearing into urban menus and ending an era, too, as if those damn yuppies were eating the hippies, a fantasy right out of Harvard Business School and the CIA's Operation CHAOS. I originally posted this in response to a thread inspired by Jeff's 'Evil Hippie' essay in order to break down the psy-ops in this seemingly face-value environmentalism story. <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showEditScreen?topicID=4876.topic&index=15">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...c&index=15</a> >snip< I have to wonder whether the cited "Washington-based Bonobo Preservation Initiative" is a CIA cut-out since the keyword 'initiative' is what we are told the stereotypical pot-smoking hippie lacks.- <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186978,00.html">www.foxnews.com/story/0,2...78,00.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Bonobo 'Hippie Chimp' on Verge of Extinction Tuesday, March 07, 2006 MBIHE-MOKELE, Congo — Scientists are struggling to save the fast-disappearing bonobo, the gentle "hippie chimp" known for resolving squabbles through sex rather than violence. .... "Bonobos are an icon for peace and love, the world's 'hippie chimps,'" said Sally Coxe of the Washington-based Bonobo Conservation Initiative. "To let them die off would be a catastrophe." .... "There is no question that bonobos are seriously threatened," Guabini said, speaking over a shrill forest symphony of birds, animals and insects. "We need urgent measures or there is no way we can protect the species." .... But for poor villagers, bonobos can be lucrative business, with much of the meat heading for expensive, clandestine meals at restaurants in the cities. .... But the peace-loving bonobos are increasingly difficult to sight, and not just because they're good at hiding, suspended from the high branches of trees or swiftly traversing the lattice of thick, muddy roots strewn over the forest floor. .... Hunters in Congo's Equator province say the apes are most easily captured when asleep drunk, so poachers intoxicate them with beer and palm wine. The dazed bonobos are stuffed in bags and carted off to local markets. .... Ipaka, who uses a battle-worn Kalashnikov assault rifle to shoot bonobos sleeping in their nests, said he hunts most often with bands of unemployed militiamen left over from a string of rebellions, coups and conflict that ravaged Congo beginning in the mid-1990s. The bonobo is the subject of age-old songs and legends, and conservationists hope to turn some of those traditions to their advantage.<hr></blockquote> >snip< Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 7/6/06 12:39 am

by **FourthBase** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:03 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I have to wonder whether the cited "Washington-based Bonobo Preservation Initiative" is a CIA cut-out since the keyword 'initiative' is what we are told the stereotypical pot-smoking hippie lacks.<hr></blockquote> You're saying that bonobos are being slaughtered to warp our minds because they are known by some as the "hippie chimp"? You think the CIA would be backing an organization that opposed bonobo murder because the word "initiative" is in the name? I love your style, and I don't want to offend, but get the fuck back to earth. If motherfucking Bush himself declared war against the Congolese in order to save the bonobos: I'd be first in line at boot camp, daydreaming about machine-gunning the life out of those primate-eating ghouls. How's that for "hippie initiative"? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=fourthbase>FourthBase</A> at: 7/6/06 1:18 am

by **Seamus OBlimey** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:41 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Because there's only a minor qualitative difference between eating bushmeat and cowmeat/pigmeat<hr></blockquote> If I ate meat it would be more than a minor difference between a wild animal that lived a free and healthy life and a farm animal that lived in and ate it's own shit. I would rather hunt and kill it myself, but I won't do that. After all, a life is a life and that cow, pig or sheep's life is as important to that animal as mine is to me. What right do we have to tell the people we've imported that they have to live on the shit which made us dependent on their labour? Are they our new sheep who must be degraded to fit into our factory farms? Or should we allow them the diet they evolved on? Our farm animals are not natural species, they are purposely bred to fit our fields, farms, pens and diets and just as purposely, so are we.

by **professorpan** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:35 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I have to wonder whether the cited "Washington-based Bonobo Preservation Initiative" is a CIA cut-out since the keyword 'initiative' is what we are told the stereotypical pot-smoking hippie lacks.-<hr></blockquote> Yeah, and maybe Jane Goodall is a closet Nazi. Hugh, my man, you have totally jumped the shark with this one!

by **FourthBase** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:05 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Or should we allow them the diet they evolved on?<hr></blockquote> I understand your overall point and sympathize... But the Congolese did not evolve on primate flesh. It's a fucking delicacy to them (the ones that eat it).

by **Seamus OBlimey** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:38 pm

I think you missed my suggestion that we're treating people like we treat animals, herding, farming, slaughtering. What's your pedigree and does it matter?

by **FourthBase** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:53 pm

Right, I get your point and I agree. I just had to correct that one thing.

by **Seamus OBlimey** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:55 pm

That's cool 4B (mind if I call you that?) I wasn't arguing with you but with the others. I'm sure as a veggie you've been asked If you were starving would you kill an animal? I usually answer If I was starving I'd kill and eat you. I've been asked So do you eat pussy? "As long as it's alive" is the best I could throw back at the screw. Dont let the bastards grind you down!

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:13 pm

Fourthbase and Prof Pan, do you intentionally deride things I don't say or am I really that hard to understand? I truly wonder whether even the readers of this board can perceive the subtlety of linguistic framing tactics used to achieve stealth predispositions in culture war and info war. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>You're saying that bonobos are being slaughtered to warp our minds because they are known by some as the "hippie chimp"?<hr></blockquote> Of course not. So "get the fuck back to earth" yourself. lol. The COVERAGE using keywords and narratives to wring maximum Army Corps of Social Engineering 'units of meaning' out of supposedly real events is what I highlighted. Maybe you really don't know how many types of front groups the CIA has been setting up for the last 60 years. Take the time to look into it instead of taking school yard potshots at me for being a 'paranoid conspiracy theorist' who "doesn't have the moral courage to do honest investigative work" or some such pious admonition I got from Prof Pan.

by **Mentalgongfu** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:59 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>If motherfucking Bush himself declared war against the Congolese in order to save the bonobos: I'd be first in line at boot camp, daydreaming about machine-gunning the life out of those primate-eating ghouls. How's that for "hippie initiative"? <hr></blockquote> Jesus H ! Fourthbase, I generally appreciate your input here but I can't say I'm a fan of your militant vegetarianism (or whatever you call your philosophy). From reading your past posts on this and other threads, I guess that's a point we'll never agree on. I support animal rights but I don't think it is a moral crime to eat flesh. I can agree mass consumption of meat, especially with modern factory farm practices causes a lot of problems, but you seem to have a passionate dislike for all meat-eaters. Did I miss some sarcasm in the above quote, or are you saying it's okay to machine gun hundreds of Congolese people but not it's not okay to eat a monkey?

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