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Re:DESECRATION of the Crosses at Camp Casey

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:51 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml">www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>t r u t h o u t | One Mother's Stand <br> By Scott Galindez <br><br> Monday 15 August 2005 <br> 9:50 PM <br><br> Reality Hits Camp Casey <br><br> The last 10 minutes have been very difficult here. I am at the Peace House editing video. First came a phone call that someone drove their vehicle over the Arlington West Crosses at the camp. I will head out to the camp now to get more details. <br><br> Within minutes one of the volunteers logged on to a website and learned that her friend was killed in Iraq. She burst into tears, Cindy was sitting across the room and immediately moved over to comfort her. What a reality check. <br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4361840&mesg_id=4361840">www.democraticunderground...id=4361840</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re:DESECRATION of the Crosses at Camp Casey

Postby Sweejak » Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:05 am

You know those crosses were covered with flowers and flags that the pro bush supporters put there. This will backfire.<br><br>About the loss of the volunteers friend, very sad, but if anyone needs an underscrore there it is. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re:DESECRATION of the Crosses at Camp Casey

Postby GDN01 » Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:30 am

Looks like the guy has been <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.getyouracton.com/blog/">taken into custody.</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Tearing down the crosses is a good way to get both sides mad at you!<br><br>There are going to be ups and downs as long as this vigil continues. How sad for the volunteer whose friend has been killed. More sorrow. More loss. It has to stop. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re:DESECRATION of the Crosses at Camp Casey

Postby normanmiller » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:35 am

That guy was an idiot. He should be arrested. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re:DESECRATION of the Crosses at Camp Casey

Postby Sweejak » Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:38 pm

Col. Anne Wright live from Crawford on Jack Blood in a few minutes<br><br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://66.160.133.266.8020/listen.pls">66.160.133.266.8020/listen.pls</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sweejak@rigorousintuition>Sweejak</A> at: 8/16/05 8:02 pm<br></i>
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Robert...

Postby heath7 » Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:34 pm

<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Oops!?!?<br><br>Thanks for clearing that up Robert. Your 'furthermore' seemed to fit perfectly with an old argument on a different thread.<br><br>Anyway...<br><br>Cindy's protest is being played out by time. What are some good ideas to liven things up a bit for the remaining two weeks of August? Someone already stole my idea for desecrating the Arlington West memorial<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :evil --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>GO CINDY!!!!<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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I want to offer you my land

Postby Sweejak » Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:46 pm

Well if this isn't timely. Seems to it's confirmed. A stunning advance I'd say.<br><br><br>Antiwar protester Sheehan to move campsite<br>Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:49 PM BS<br><br><br>By Caren Bohan<br><br>CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - Antiwar protester Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, is moving her camp closer to President George W. Bush's Texas ranch.<br><br>The piece of private property was offered by a relative of a man who had a fired shotgun in frustration over the protests, a source in the Sheehan camp said. The property owner is also a veteran.<br><br>"A neighbour of President Bush's has offered us his land," the source said. "It's got plenty of acreage for us, it's private land, we would have legal permission to be on it, it's much closer to the ranch -- in fact it's across the street from his (Bush's) church."<br><br>"We have taken him up on his offer," the source added.<br><br>Sheehan was not immediately available for comment.<br><br>Sheehan was expected to begin moving as early as Wednesday morning.<br><br>She is in the 10th day of her vigil on Prairie Chapel Road, which leads to Bush's 1,600-acre (647.5-hectare) ranch. She calls her site "Camp Casey," after her 24-year-old son who was killed in combat in Iraq.<br><br>According to the source, the land offered to Sheehan is owned by Fred Mattlage, who is a distant cousin of Larry Mattlage, a man who fired a shotgun over the weekend in frustration over the commotion caused by the vigil.<br><br>The source said Fred Mattlage made the offer saying <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"I'm a veteran, I support what you all are doing and I want to offer you my land."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Sheehan, of Vacaville, California, has demanded a meeting with Bush at which she said she wants to call for the withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Iraq.<br><br>While Bush has expressed sympathy for Sheehan's grief, the White House has declined a meeting. Sheehan previously met with Bush in 2004 but wants to talk to him face-to-face again.<br><br>Sheehan's vigil has attracted anti-war activists from across the United States -- many of them also relatives of soldiers killed in Iraq -- who arrived to offer support, share a hug with Sheehan and join in her daily media events.<br><br>But in this quiet farming town of just over 700 people, many residents have found the activity disruptive.<br><br>In the latest sign of tension, a man in a pickup trunk on Monday night ran over crosses at Sheehan's campsite.<br><br>Some 800 white wooden crosses, bearing the names of soldiers killed in Iraq have lined the road near the area where Sheehan has pitched a tent. Witnesses said they saw a lorry dragging a pipe and chains drive over some of the crosses.<br><br>Larry Northern, 46, of nearby Waco, Texas, was arrested and charged with criminal mischief in connection with the incident.<br><br>Earlier on Tuesday, a group of residents showed up at a hearing of county officials to complain about the traffic caused by activists and reporters who shuttle back and forth to the camp site.<br><br>They brought a petition seeking to ban parking and camping along Prairie Chapel Road.<br><br>Displayed in front of one resident's house was a big sign that read, "We support our commander-in-chief."<br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I want to offer you my land

Postby heath7 » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:22 pm

I'll pray/hope that Fred Mattlage doesn't succumb to eminent domain now that dubya will view him as a security threat.<br><br>Mr. Fred Mattlage, you are a true American hero. Can I bring about a million of my buddies to say thanks personally to you and Ms. Sheehan? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I want to offer you my land

Postby robertdreed » Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:11 pm

That's actually quite amazing news. I hope that the protestors will be on their best behavior as guests. <br><br><br>With all that, I'm also sympathetic to the neighbor who found the encampment increasingly intrusive and tiresome. He sounded as if he was being a good sport for a while, even though he didn't support the goal of the protests. <br><br>But anyone who's been to "camp-in" gatherings like these realizes that they can be a burden on the neighbors. <br><br>I think that both landowners deserve some compensation, informally offered by supporters of Ms. Sheehan's protest. I'd send some coin for that, personally. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I want to offer you my land

Postby Sweejak » Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:47 pm

This could always turn disasterous, with more people accomodated the ease with which provocateurs can infiltrate increases. However, we have US Army Col. Mary Wright (resigned) in charge of the camp and The people I saw showed utmost care when talking to police or locals. I don't know what the median age of the crowd is but it wasn't exactly a 60's youth event. Plus there are a lot of vets and so on. I don't think this will get out of hand.<br><br>Fred (Yasgur?) Mattledge<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/9494/fredmattledge8ar.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Geez thanks for the attention

Postby slimmouse » Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:03 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Just got back from 7 days in Hawaii.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> Hope you had a great time Norm.<br><br> Did you do any reading ? Any thinking about what it must feel like as an average Iraqui scraping his kids off the street as a result of the Downing St minutes, or the preplanned Iraqui bloodbath ? KNOWN Bush Lies Norm. KNOWN Bush Lies.<br><br> Or should you not waste your beautiful mind on such insignificances. I guess not on holiday. But youre in the heart of those with Heart now Norm. Welcome to our world.<br><br> So, I guess the 4th Reich of Bush is the Iraquis problem and not yours Norm right ? Youll be allright as long as you tune into Fox news and pay your taxes ?<br><br> A famous quote from Hitlers Germany, speaks of "them" coming for the catholics, then the communists, then the Jews, and before long there was no one left to stand up for the likes of you. And those "good germans" were left to contemplate the consequences of being a good citizen amidst the pictures of the concentration camp victims, and te millions of European and US dead.<br><br> Oh and Pssst, Norm. The Bush family made its fortune financing Nazi Germany. Time to dust down a few alternative history books I guess.<br><br> Meanwhile, Just read an interesting peice on DU - Depleted Uranium Norm. Hope none of your buddies are soldiers, because that particular chicken will be coming home to a neighbourhood near you anytime soon.<br><br> I guess if China invaded the US on a pile of lies, and you attempted to resist, you would happily understand that you were a terrorist ?<br><br> Have a nice day Norm. Like someone else said - No more TV, theres a good chap. Time to get the left side of the mind working a bit. <p></p><i></i>
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compensation

Postby Starman » Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:12 pm

JesUs CoW!<br><br>It's not enough Larry Mattledge got some dough from NBC for parking their newscrew vans, but you'd like to see him profit even more over a vicious, idiotic killing-spree in which almost 2000 US troops and uncounted hundreds of thousands of citizens have already died -- How generous.<br><br>It's not like the protesters are broiling in the mid-summer Texas sun for their own benefit.<br><br>Maybe Larry should be paid for each shotgun-shell fired in anger or frustration -- wouldn't that be a fitting Patriotic gesture. What, $1000 per, or is that too cheap?<br><br>Sheeesh .......<br><br>Larry's take on the protest as the 'contest of the porto-potties' which the protestors could never win (as Commander Bush would ALWAYS win THAT rent-a-crapper battle) is a fitting commentary on the kind of keen sociopolitical awareness the Larry Mattledge's of the USA are reluctant to replace with greater awareness of critical, substantive issues -- THAT'S why he was peeved, he objected to being confronted with the evidence of people who actually did something, who made personal sacrifices for principles they believed in that didn't serve their own narrow, selfish ends. In short, they embarrassed him, showed him-up as being a self-absorbed live-andlet-live poseur -- In the only kind of response of which he was capable, he was churlish and rude and petty, refusing to talk to Sheehan after shooting off his gun -- How fucking American all right.<br><br>Mebbe a monument can be erected for his Texas-size hospitality and generosity in forebearance, a real inspiration for folks to emulate. Do you suppose that might placate his wounded sense of injured sensibility? Perhaps a year's psychoanalysis might restore his sense of righteous and prideful lack of political interest? But then, I see your point, a liberal irritation-fee compensation package would probably make him feel all is right with the world more than anything else -- in true neoliberal acknowledgement of what makes the world-go-round.<br><br>What a fitting solution: Protest via the Pay as you go Plan, reimbursing all who are discomfitted on a sliding-scale fee based on how much their ambivalence is challenged.<br><br>Maybe a levy on each of the 1800+ small crosses set-up along the roadside that Larry was forced to see would be an equitable compensation -- so Larry can add himself to the legions of parasites who managed to profit more directly from American lives, rather than just benefitting indirectly from the war a half-a-world-away.<br><br>Oh, and re: the goal of the protestors which Larry didn't share -- it happens to be a First Amenment guarantee, the right of the people to peacable assembly for petitioning the Government for redress of grievances.<br><br>I suppose Larry is another one of those common American people, who don't mind the Constitution too much unless it interferes with their comfort-zone.<br><br>K-Rist, the ironies and hypocricies and pretentious inanities here on some of these issues is just overflowing.<br><br>Some folks have to put up with gangland crime and drive-by shootings and epidemic violence and economic decay in their immediate neighborhoods, and other more direct tragic consequences to their families, because of the ruinous policies and practices of the current gang of fake-leaders who are responsible for the US's reckless and irresponsible war-mongering -- all these issues are connected, but precious Larry resents being 'inconvenienced' and his privacy intruded on -- cuz the President is a coward and lier (he said he was going to use his vacation time to talk to the 'ordinary people', yet has wimped-out of meeting with and talkoing to Cindy, and even had the gall to drive right past the camp on the way back from a neighbor's fund-raising barbecue -- This concern for Poor Larry is one of the most cockeyed, topsy-turvey things -- yet, its SO typical of how utterly fucked-up this nation is and proudly brain-dead a lot of folks are.<br><br>I guess it's a fitting metaphor for misplaced priorities and a reality-perspective that's skewed beyond belief.<br><br>Poor discomfitted Larry, Boo-hoo -- I weep. <p></p><i></i>
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just now getting back online

Postby AnnaLivia » Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:10 am

hi, all. my own Camp Casey now stands proudly in my front yard!<br><br>just a homemade tent; rope strung firmly between the two trees out front, a tarp over it with the bottom edges staked out and some poles pegged in place to support the ends of the peak, plus a (lovingly lettered) homemade wooden sign, black letters on white background. Camp Casey is all it says. The scene looks pretty good, i think. Dignified by its simplicity.<br><br>i may make another sign or two, if i can scrounge up the materials. i welcome suggestions for effective messages to put on those.<br><br>many people will see it, i hope. my house is right across the street from an elementary school, right next to a bike path, and right down the road from the Iowa National Guard. travel west on my street and there are some big businesses with lots of employees, who pass by here every day.<br><br>i'm working on a one-page "flyer" i can give out to anyone who might ask why i am doing this, to explain to those who will oppose it that this is not about me, that this is about all the Casey Sheehans, about all the utterly needless death and destruction, about all the lies we have been told, and about refusing to quietly submit to tyranny. (etc.)<br><br>Starman, i may steal some of your eloquence for that. Know you won't mind.<br><br>i sure was saddened to hear about that creep who ran over the crosses. but gladdened by Fred M's offer of use of his land to Cindy and the others.<br><br>i'm tuckered out for tonight (no, making camp is not all i've been doing), so will hold other comments until tomorrow....<br><br>zzzzzzzzzzzzz<br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: just now getting back online

Postby dbeach » Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:31 am

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Starman,

Postby robertdreed » Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:46 am

in my opinion, displaying a sense of magnaminity and generosity is rarely a bad idea. Among other things, you'd be helping to neutralize the arguments that the protestors are acting self-indulgently and inconsiderately...considering that that's the only argument that Bush supporters can deliver to those presently wavering on the issue, I think that offering a measure of compensation for the inconvenience would leave them basically disarmed. <br><br><br>If, on the other hand, you're uninterested in defusing polarization, and in fact relish the opportunity to discomfort the nearby rank and file of the opposition, I suppose it's a lousy idea. Don't get the idea that by doing so, you're discomforting George W. Bush, though. <br><br>Bear in mind a couple of things:<br><br>1) the people of Crawford, Texas were there before you came, and they'll be there after you leave. It behooves you to be on your best behavior, even to the point of appearing overly conciliatory, rather than baiting them and escalating hostility.<br><br>2) As a tactic, encampments such as the Crawford camp walk the line of being an "eminent domain intrusion" all their own. I'm simply talking about practical impact on humans in the vicinity, not your rights under the First Amendment.<br>Under the circumstances, having the attitude toward the neighboring residents that "if they don't like it, fuck'em" isn't what I'd call a commendable stance. Stand your ground, by all means. The neighbor's offer of accomodations seems to be very fortunate. But don't let your sense of ordinary decency and consideration fail you.<br><br>If you think that such consideration and generosity would be a sign of "weakness" and "spinelessness"- even "hypocrisy"- keep in mind who you sound like. Not to mention who's hands you're playing into. <br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 8/16/05 11:48 pm<br></i>
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