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Postby Percival » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:35 pm

Applewhite of Heavens Gate had that crazy stare too:

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Postby MinM » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:00 am

Lesson of the Day: Wanted criminals shouldn't travel to countries with extradition treaties. :scaredhide:

Swiss detain Polanski on US arrest request - Yahoo! News
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Postby Jeff » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:09 am

PARIS (AP) — France's culture minister says he is "dumbfounded" by filmmaker Roman Polanski's arrest in Switzerland.

Frederic Mitterrand says he "strongly regrets that a new ordeal is being inflicted on someone who has already experienced so many of them."

Mitterrand's ministry said Sunday in a statement that he is in contact with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, "who is following the case with great attention and shares the minister's hope that the situation can be quickly resolved."

Organizers of the Zurich Film Festival say Polanski has been taken into custody in Switzerland on a 31-year-old U.S. arrest warrant. The Academy Award-winning director fled the U.S. in 1978, a year after pleading guilty to unlawful sexual intercourse with a 13-year-old girl.

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Postby Maddy » Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:54 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/ap_ ... d_polanski

His victim, Samantha Geimer, who long ago identified herself publicly, has joined in Polanski's bid for dismissal, saying she wants the case to be over. She sued Polanski and reached an undisclosed settlement.


If the victim wants it over, perhaps it should be left to lay after all of these years. I know that's not something I would normally say, but its the victim's request and her needs are the most important. :?

In 1977, he was accused of raping the teenager while photographing her during a modeling session. The girl said Polanski plied her with champagne and part of a Quaalude pill at Jack Nicholson's house while the actor was away. She said that, despite her protests, he performed oral sex, intercourse and sodomy on her.

Polanski was allowed to plead guilty to one of six charges, unlawful sexual intercourse, and was sent to prison for 42 days of evaluation.

Lawyers agreed that would be his full sentence, but the judge tried to renege on the plea bargain. Aware the judge would sentence him to more prison time and require his voluntary deportation, Polanski fled to France.


They shouldn't have let him slide in the first place. :evil:
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Postby American Dream » Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:05 pm

http://www.aolhealth.com/condition-cent ... ips-incest

Mackenzie Phillips Highlights the Impact of Incest -
By Deborah Huso 9/09



Thomas Nagy, Ph.D., Adjunct Assistant Clinical Professor at Stanford University School of Medicine says he believes most incidents of incest never come to light and, as a result, countless individuals go without treatment. He also states that it's impossible to say that incest that continues into adulthood is necessarily conducted on a consensual level. "When the victim encounters that abuser again in adulthood, in that moment, they've dissociated into an adolescent mindset again," he points out. That's why it's so important for victims of abuse to seek and stick with therapy for the long haul. "These victims have to grow boundaries and learn how to find a sense of self again." "It's always traumatic in the long run," Nagy adds, whether the incest begins when a child is six or 17.

"It's child abuse, and there is no such thing as consensual sex with a child."....If victims don't seek treatment, whether children or adults, long-term impacts can be many and may include everything from depression and substance abuse to nightmares, withdrawal and promiscuity. "The effects vary depending on age and whether or not the relationship was long-term," Borys adds (Debra Borys, Ph.D., a Los-Angeles-based therapist). The most common adult response to past incestuous sexual abuse, says Nagy, is the development of delayed onset post-traumatic stress disorder. "Adult victims will almost certainly have mood disorders as well as physical disorders like gastrointestinal problems or chronic pain," he explains.

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Postby Maddy » Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:58 pm

Bravo!

Also that link isn't working and I'm Googling like crazy to find the link and can't. :shock:
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Postby American Dream » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:03 pm

Try now- I replace the old link with a link that is currently working.
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Postby Maddy » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:07 pm

Thank you! Beautiful! I hope more people read this, people need educated.
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Postby MinM » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:40 am

John Phillips: a lifetime of debauched and reckless behaviour - Telegraph

As the daughter of the Mamas and the Papas' John Phillips reveals she had an incestuous relationship with her father, Chris Campion looks back on the rockstar's wild life.

By Chris Campion
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Published: 7:00AM BST 25 Sep 2009


Scandalous claims of rape and incest made this week by Mackenzie Phillips against her father, 60s music icon John Phillips, have put the spotlight back on a man whose debauched reputation has long overshadowed his brilliant contributions to music as the erstwhile leader of the Mamas and the Papas.

While promoting her new memoir, High On Arrival, on the Oprah Winfrey show, Mackenzie Phillips alleged that at 19 she was raped by her musician father and subsequently engaged in a 10-year incestuous yet consensual sexual relationship. Her sensational allegations have served to split the only showbiz family who are more dysfunctional than the Jacksons.
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Two of John Phillips' ex-wives, Michelle Phillips and Genevieve Waite, have denounced the story, but what is undisputable is that Phillips has one of the worst and wildest reputations in rock.

It was a reputation he himself helped foster and promote, most notably in his 1986 autobiography, Papa John, during which he gleefully and unrepentantly relates a catalogue of debauched and reckless behaviour that includes sexual liaisons, infidelities and rampant drug use in lurid detail.

Phillips, who died in 2001 of complications relating to a liver transplant, was married four times and sired five children with three of his wives. He was an extraordinarily charismatic man, a brilliant musician with an innate talent for songwriting. He was also an incorrigible rebel, plagued by a fatalism that threatened to engulf all those closest to him; a man who delighted in living dangerously, even carrying on an affair with Mia Farrow under the nose of her then-husband Frank Sinatra.

Despite their genteel music and image as the family-friendly face of hippie-dom, the Mamas and the Papas – John Phillips, his wife Michelle, Denny Doherty and Mama Cass Elliot – indulged in all the free love and chemical intoxication that the 60s had to offer. They were also famously incestuous as a group, splitting up in 1968 when inter-band relations had made it all-but-impossible for them to continue recording. While still married to John, Michelle Phillips had an affair with Denny Doherty – an affair that only inflamed the ire of fellow Cass Elliot, who herself harboured an infatuation (albeit unrequited) with Doherty.

The phenomenal wealth and fame John Phillips acquired as the group's chief songwriter – he was the author of their biggest hits, California Dreamin' and Monday Monday – gave him access to a fast-living Hollywood crowd that numbered notorious party hounds such as Jack Nicholson and Warren Beatty.

He was also friendly with Roman Polanski and his wife Sharon Tate and claimed in his autobiography to have narrowly escaped death, having been invited to the house that Polanski and Tate were renting in the Hollywood Hills on the same August 1969 night that the Manson family slaughtered its inhabitants.

Shortly after the Manson murders, a grief-stricken Roman Polanksi became convinced that Phillips had masterminded the murder of his wife and her friends in retribution for Polanski's own brief affair with Michelle Phillips and, at one point, the director grabbed a kitchen knife and held it to the singer's throat in an attempt to force a confession out of him. Both Phillips and Mama Cass, like much of the LA music scene at the time, had peripheral connections to the Manson family and were later called to testify for the prosecution at the 1970 trial of Manson and his followers.

Following the dissolution of the Mamas and the Papas, Phillips never managed to attain the same level of commercial success. His attempts to launch himself as a solo artist failed and his life began to run adrift. Professional failures weighed heavily on him and exacerbated an addiction to drugs that had begun to take a much deeper hold on his life.

By 1976, he and his third wife, the South African model and actress Genevieve Waite, were hopelessly addicted to cocaine and heroin. They had been taking the latter while sharing a house in London with Rolling Stones' guitarist Keith Richards and his then-partner Anita Pallenberg, both of whom were also at the height of their drug addictions following the death of their infant child, Tara.

Phillips and Waite carried their habits with them as they jet-setted around the world, even befriending Princess Margaret while vacationing at her holiday home on Mustique. "I don't know if John was ever happy in his own skin," Waite told me last year. "I don't think he was. He tried to act real happy but I don't know if he was."

A large part of Phillips' discomfort stemmed from his own tumultuous childhood. He was the youngest of three children born to a retired Irish-American marine and his Cherokee wife. But his abiding memory of his own father, an alcoholic manic-depressive, was creeping into the rank cellar of the family home and seeing him slumped unconscious in a chair dressed in his military uniform, surrounded by empty bottles and his pack of snarling American bulldogs. Phillips spent most of his life trying to escape from that image of his father. Paradoxically, while doing so, he created a hell of his own that was far, far worse.

An incorrigible rebel with boundless enthusiasm and an indomitable humanist streak, he was also plagued by a fatalism that threatened to engulf all those closest to him. Those most affected by Phillips' chaotic lifestyle were his children. Mackenzie and Jeffrey (both children from Phillips' first marriage to Susan Adams, a descendant of U.S. President John Adams) developed drug addictions of their own, aged 13 and 14 respectively, while living with their father at his rented Bel Air mansion in the early 70s. Cocaine was so plentiful that it was often laid out in bowls around the house like pot pourri.

Around this time, Mackenzie's career as a child star began to take off. She made her acting debut aged 12 in the George Lucas film, American Graffiti. By 16, she had outstripped her father's fame as one of the stars of an immensely popular U.S. sitcom, One Day At A Time, and was said to be earning somewhere in the region of $47,000 a week.
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Phillips eulogized the antics of his streetwise daughter in a song called She's Just 14, which was recorded in 1977 during notoriously druggy sessions in New York with Keith Richards, in which the hard-living duo reputedly spent more time shooting heroin in the studio bathroom than laying down tracks. The title of Mackenzie Phillips' new memoir, High on Arrival, is taken from a line in that song, which also features a lascivious backing vocal from Mick Jagger, who himself also bedded Mackenzie (when she was 18).

At the height of his addiction, Phillips claimed to be shooting up every 15 minutes. All that came to an end on July 31, 1980, when Phillips was arrested. He had been funding his drug habit by trading books of stolen prescriptions for bottles of pharmaceutical drugs at a Manhattan pharmacy, then trading those with his drug dealers for cocaine.

Facing a possible 45-year jail term on drug trafficking charges, Phillips undertook a high-profile publicity tour, visiting schools and appearing on talk shows accompanied by Mackenzie, who had been fired from her sitcom role when the extent of her own drug and alcohol addiction was made public. Although Phillips never took drugs again, he developed an equally debilitating alcohol addiction.

"He had certain rules. But they were all to be broken. They had no lasting power, these rules," Phillips' lifelong friend Bill Cleary told me. "Like, 'everything in moderation, except moderation'. That was one of his favourites. I mean, he wanted excess. To take it over the line."

Whether Phillips crossed the moral line with his own daughter is another thing. In a story published in this week's edition of American gossip magazine U.S. Weekly to promote her upcoming album, Chynna Phillips (the only child of John and Michelle Phillips) claims that her sister confessed her sexual relationship with their father in a 1997 phone call.

But other members of the family disagree. Phillip's third wife Genevieve Waite maintained her ex-husband was "incapable of having a sexual relationship with his own child". Even Michelle Phillips, one of her ex-husband's harshest and most vocal critics, said: "John was a bad parent, and a drug addict. But doing this to his daughter? Then why isn't she with a good psychiatrist on a couch?"
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Postby Maddy » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:36 am

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Postby Maddy » Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:45 pm

This is a beautiful blog this morning by Trish Kinney.

Incest is never consensual, addiction is a result of abuse, and excuses should not be made for abusers.


There are a couple of other blogs at the bottom of the page that I'm checking out. I'm really glad that Mackenzie's disclosure (as hard as I'm sure it is on her, and she has all of my empathy and support) is causing so much public discussion, education and awareness.
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Postby Maddy » Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:03 pm

And this one could go on so many threads right now:

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alison-rose-levy/mackenzie-phillips-and-th_b_297590.html]Mackenzie Phillips and the Stockholm Syndrome

Alison Rose Levy[/url]

Although I'm concerned that recounting her trauma on Oprah could potentially retraumatize Mackenzie and threaten her fragile discovery, I would hope that the rest of us can accord her the respect she deserves for her courage, and take to heart the implications of the morality tales she offers-- that abuse should be acknowledged even when the abuser is powerful, charismatic, and famous.


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Postby Fred Astaire » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:29 am

If the elites had decided to put an end to the hippie movement, they couldn't have done it any better than by dropping a cocaine bomb on L.A. All of that great talent went to hell in a hand basket. They were then replaced by coke's partner in the 70's- disco. Game over.
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