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Postby justdrew » Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:42 pm

Well, if you were wondering what paranoiac smear artist would be the first to step out and attempt to name President Barack Obama as the man who guided Nidal Malik Hasan to his murderous rampage at Fort Hood yesterday, the answer -- naturally! -- is Jerome Corsi. Corsi has a long history of lunatic, fact-averse ravings and he fails to disappoint on that regard on the pages of World Net Daily, today, in a piece entitled "Shooter advised Obama transition." Except, of course, he didn't do any such thing.

Corsi hangs his entire allegation on a document produced on May 19, 2009 by The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute entitled "Thinking Anew, Security Priorities For The Next Administration." In that document, Nidal Hasan is listed, on page 29, as a "Task Force Event Participant." He was one of hundreds of people listed as a "participant." Significantly, Nidal was not the author of the document. He was not a member of the HSPI's "Presidential Transition Task Force." Nor was he a member of the HSPI's "Task Force Staff." He was not a member of the HSPI's Steering Committee or a briefer to the task force.

Also, the activities of the HSPI here do not in anyway constitute official transition advice to the White House, despite the fact that a committee got named the "Presidential Transition Task Force" and the HSPI's activities involved identifying homeland security priorities and offering advice. Here is what the HSPI does:

Founded in 2003, The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute (HSPI) is a nonpartisan "think and do" tank whose mission is to build bridges between theory and practice to advance homeland security through an interdisciplinary approach. By convening domestic and international policymakers and practitioners at all levels of government, the private and non-profit sectors, and academia, HSPI creates innovative strategies and solutions to current and future threats to the nation.

The task force gave itself the following mission: "to further policy discussions of the top strategic priorities in the area of security in order to generate actionable recommendations, for the Administration taking office in January 2009, designed to effectively meet the most vexing challenges the United States faces today."

Essentially, what the HSPI did (and all of this is spelled out explicitly in this document's executive summary) is convene a giant group of security wonks and academics, heard some briefings, made some "internal deliberations," and generated a set of priorities and recommendations. Then those recommendations got published, and maybe someone at the White House read them, but it's more likely that the content ended up as material to cite in the middle of further security-wonk discussions.

And at some point in the process, Nidal Hasan might have sat in a room while this was happening, with a few hundred other people.

But none of this constitutes formal advice given to the president on homeland security during the transition of power. This was a university panel that has sod all to do with the White House, generating ideas, and calling it "advice" for the president. If two or three of you wanted to meet up with me at the Au Bon Pain on Pennsylvania Avenue this afternoon and chat today, we will have accomplished basically the same thing.

Corsi, in fact, knows this. He writes:

While the GWU task force participants included several members of government, including representatives of the Department of Justice and the U.S Department of Homeland Security, there is no indication in the document that the group played any formal role in the official Obama transition, other than to serve in a university-based advisory capacity.

In short, the facts Corsi obtained torpedo the premise of his piece, which, I remind you, is that the "shooter advised [the] Obama transition." Were this being written for a responsible journalistic entity, some creature called an "editor" would have stepped in and said, "Hey, Jerome, you realize that by your own findings, you article is complete horseshit, right?" But this is World Net Daily, written by and for complete charlatans.

UPDATE: I contacted Frank Cilluffo, the director of the HSPI at George Washington University, who tells me that Nidal Hasan has no affiliation with the HSPI or with George Washington University, at all. "[Hasan] has no role on the task force, other than the fact that he attended these meetings as an audience member, as did hundreds of others." Hasan's name appears on the list of participants only because he provided the HSPI with an RSVP, indicating his attendance. Cilluffo told me, "We always record RSVPs and publish them as a matter of transparency, and will continue to do so."


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/iwndis-jerome-corsi-claim_n_348461.html&cp
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Postby justdrew » Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:50 pm

Going Postal
by Mark Ames
November 7, 2009 | 9:47am

BS Top - Ames Postal Phelan Ebenehack / Reuters The office shooting in Orlando—on the same day unemployment crested 10 percent—is a deadly omen. Mark Ames on why spikes in joblessness always breed more workplace violence.

On Friday morning, it was announced that America’s unemployment had unexpectedly climbed to 10.2 percent, the highest it’s been in a quarter-century. The jobless report was released right around the time that a bankrupt, desperate, and unemployed 40-year-old man, Jason Rodriguez, attacked his former employer’s office in Orlando, Florida—one of the worst-hit states in the country.

The Orlando office shooting, which left one dead and five wounded, came close on the heels of the massacre at Fort Hood the day before. The Fort Hood shooting was unusual because rarely has a Muslim “gone postal” in the America workplace. But Judeo-Christian Americans, including Latinos like Jason Rodriguez, have been massacring their co-workers and fellow students in “going postal” shootings for well over two decades now.

Why did these killing sprees begin cropping up in the mid-1980s? I traced the roots to Reagan-era economic policies that changed the postwar relationship between employees and companies, and between the middle class and the super-rich.

In fact, America invented these “going postal” murders, starting with the first post-office massacre in Edmonds, Oklahoma in 1986, which left 14 dead and six wounded. Over the next few years, shootings, rampages and suicides were rampant in the U.S. Postal Service, giving rise to a whole new term for these crimes. At first, they were dismissed as a Postal Service problem, as if loonies had suddenly been recruited to work there. But the murders and complaints piled up, and by 1989, the co-worker-on-co-worker office massacre had jumped like a virus to the private sector—beginning with the rampage shooting at a printing plant in Louisville, Kentucky, which left nine dead and 12 injured. Soon, workplace massacres of this sort spread all across the country; the term “disgruntled employee” also entered the lexicon, signifying something akin to “terrorist.” By the mid-1990s, even middle-class all-American schools were experiencing mass killings. Today, 10 years after Columbine, these episodes come and go with such frequency that most Americans hardly notice; they’ve become cable news wallpaper.

Why did these killing sprees begin cropping up in the mid-1980s? When I studied these murders for my book, Going Postal, I traced the roots to Reagan-era economic policies that changed the postwar relationship between employees and companies, and between the middle class and the super-rich. Government regulation of business was reduced, unions were decimated, and a radical new brand of capitalism became a kind of state religion. The trouble began in the U.S. Postal Service, a major government entity suddenly subjected to market forces under President Richard Nixon. He signed a law banning strikes, opening up the USPS to private-sector competition, and mandating that it become profitable by 1983. Not coincidentally, 1983 was the year of the first postal employee-on-employee shooting in South Carolina. A once-comfy government job had transformed into the sort of stressful workplace that the rest of America would soon experience, too.

Back in 2005, when the book was first published, it wasn’t easy getting Americans to accept this thesis. Now that the entire Reagan model has crashed and most Americans have woken up to the fact that they’ve been taken for a ride, it seems almost self-evident. Average American wages haven’t grown since 1979, while the super-wealthy have seen their share of income soar to the point where the wealth gap in the U.S. is on a par with Mexico and Turkey. Americans today work more hours with less security, fewer health and pension benefits, and even shorter lunch breaks and sick-day leaves, than they had before the Reagan Revolution stripped those protections away. CEOs earned on average 30 times the wages of their workers in 1978; by this decade, they were earning more than 500 times their workers’ average salaries. They did it, in the words of GE’s “Neutron Jack” Welch, by squeezing “unlimited juice” from their employees (Welch famously downsized more than 100,000 GE employees during his reign, while making himself a billionaire).

As the disparities mounted, so, too, did the frustrations in the work force. And Florida has been the site of some particularly horrific outbursts. In 1993, a fired employee of Fireman’s Fund Insurance burst into the Tampa office building, killing three and wounded two; three years earlier, in the largest mass shooting in state history, a 42-year-old man whose Pontiac was repossessed by GMAC entered their Jacksonville office and killed nine employees, wounded six more, then turned the gun on himself.

And those incidents took place during Florida’s boom years. Today, the state is suffering record unemployment, record foreclosures, and one of the hardest-hit real-estate markets in the nation. To make matters worse, a U.S. attorney labeled Florida “ground zero for mortgage fraud;” recently, 105 people involved in a massive mortgage scam were arrested.

This week, the annual “Happiness Index” was released, and Florida, its citizens plagued by high debt, unemployment above the national average, and the third-highest foreclosure rate in the country, came in dead last among all 50 states.

We don’t yet know the full story of what happened with 40-year-old Jason Rodriguez. But against that backdrop, his tale of financial and personal ruin is depressingly familiar.

When he was arrested at his mother’s a few hours after the shooting, he told reporters why he attacked his ex-employer, Reynolds, Smith & Hills: “They left me to rot.” When reporters asked Rodriguez if “they” meant his former employer, he answered: “No. No. I’m angry.”

RS&H fired Rodriguez in 2007. Two months ago, he filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. He listed his income as $812.67, with $90,000 in debts, and just $4,675 in assets—$4,000 of which came from his Nissan Xterra SUV, the vehicle he fled in after the shooting (and which is described in the filing as in “poor condition”). He owed about $40,000 to Sallie Mae and Wachovia for loans he took out to earn a master’s degree in business administration from a university in Puerto Rico, which he signed up for right around the time when his wife moved there after divorcing him.

Rodriguez does not appear to have had a violent history or a criminal record. In that regard, he’s like most of the others who have “gone postal.” Instead, he seems to be a man ground down by the kind of dreary, familiar pain that more and more Americans experience as jobs disappear and despair takes hold. Until there is a radical rethinking of the way America treats its workers, there are tragically going to be many more like Jason Rodriguez to come.

Mark Ames is the author of Going Postal: Rage, Murder and Rebellion From Reagan's Workplaces to Clinton's Columbine and Beyond and The eXile: Sex, Drugs and Libel in the New Russia. He is a regular contributor to eXiled Online.
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Va. Tech advises Army on Texas shootings response

Postby 23 » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:39 pm

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Virginia Tech administrators have been advising Pentagon officials on how to respond to the mass shootings at Fort Hood.

The Associated Press
BLACKSBURG, Va. —

Virginia Tech administrators have been advising Pentagon officials on how to respond to the mass shootings at Fort Hood.

University spokesman Mark Owczarski (oh-ZAR-skee) says that Virginia Tech President Charles Steger (STEE-ger) and about a dozen administrators had a teleconference with Pentagon officials Friday.

He says Pentagon officials asked for guidance on how to respond to the shooting spree at the Texas military base.

The Virginia Tech officials dealt with the worst mass shooting in modern U.S history in April 2007. The campus shootings left 33 dead, including the student gunman, and about two dozen injured.

Owczarski says the questions about Fort Hood ranged from how to help the families of victims to advice on accommodating large numbers of news media.
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Postby n0x23 » Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:19 am

*DIES LAUGHING*

thanks for the first bright note in a long shitty day, bro



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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:26 am

smallprint wrote:As investigators look at Hasan's motives and mindset, his attendance at the mosque could be an important piece of the jigsaw. Al-Awlaki moved to Dar al-Hijrah as imam in January, 2001, from the west coast, and three months later the September 11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hamzi and Hani Hanjour began attending his services. A third hijacker attended his services in California.

Hasan was praying at Dar al-Hijrah at about the same time, and the FBI will now want to investigate whether he met the two terrorists.


Damn, just a month ago I was listing Anwar Aluqui as one of many people who were deeply connected the 9/11 hijackers inside of America(as well as the Saudi operatives) Others of course include Mohmar Abdullah, Omar Al Boyoumi, Makram Chams, and quite a number more. The FBI FOIA timeline and a lot of independent research on History Commons points to layers upon layers of contacts, handlers, operatives, etc. helping the hijackers at every point. Hopsicker of course points out a number of them

Now this is a *very* interesting new connection to the 9/11 riddle, and leads to more evidence that certain topographical areas like Oklahoma, Boston Mass and Virginia act as deep state monster factories for proxy manchurian jihadist dupes(like the actors of the 9/11 event)

We know that that recent Boston "terror suspect" was connected to Khalid Sheikh Mohamed associate and 9/11 "Gitmo 5" wife Aifa Siddiqui, who also headed up al Qaeda's "Al Kifah/Care Intl" program which was part of the Saudi financed Ptech nexus in the Boston area.

Places like Oklahoma of course serve as a deep state hive...in the spring of 2001 you had Nick Berg, alleged WTC and OKC co-conspirator Melvin "Mujahid Menepta" Lattimore, Hussein al-Attas, Zacharious Moussaoui, Nawaf al Hazmi, Mohamed Atta, Marwen al-Shehi and others all hobnobbing together...at one point at the same obscure Dreamland Motel
that Lattimore took Mcveigh too in 1995. Then in 2005 we saw how a product of that local mosque blew himself up at a OKU college game in a terror attack attempt.

With the dozen or so recent "government busted terror plots/nabbing of terror suspects" AND with this "Palestinian Muslim did Fort Hood" tragic event...it's clear to me the deep state is making a clear push toward something really big and horrendous.
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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:41 am

MinM wrote:
smallprint wrote:Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists

Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001...

Radical Imam?
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Reports indicate that Imam Anwar Al Awlaki, a prominent Muslim scholar highly regarded in English speaking Islamic circles, has been detained incommunicado for the past two months in Yemen and may face torture or ill treatment in custody.

Anwar Awlaki, whilst in the US worked for inter-faith dialogue– working hard to establish a reasoned, nuanced and just form of intellectual dissent in Western Muslims Enabling Muslim communities in western societies to contribute and interact in wider society and contribute to it whilst remaining confident of their Islamic heritage and identity.

Regarding the 9/11 attacks, Imam Anwar was quick to state,

“What has occurred is a heinous crime. A Muslim can have nothing to do with this.” [1]

Imam Anwar was renowned for his justice amongst people, even when Muslim sentiment would seem to be totally against the West; this is typified by one of his statements:

“President Bush has showed the Muslim American community some good gestures. He specifically warned the people from committing any hate crimes against their fellow Muslim citizens, and he visited a Mosque.”...
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Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt...

How convenient. Right in the backyard of al-CIA-duh. :roll:


Connection with a possible Saudi spy

The beginning of that relationship takes us to California where Aulaqi first made contact with two al-Qaeda operatives, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, who would one day crash American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon. On February 4, 2000, four phone calls were placed between Aulaqi's phone and the phone of a man named Omar al-Bayoumi who spent that day securing the financial and living arrangements of the two would be hijackers. The 9/11 Commission Report details al-Bayoumi's claim that he met the 9/11 hijackers--by chance--in a restaurant on February 1. Only a few days later on February 4, he wrote the hijackers a $9,900 certified check (in exchange for cash) that they needed to open a bank account and place a deposit on an apartment in San Diego.

Although the 9/11 Commission regards al-Bayoumi as a devout Muslim unaware of the hijackers' plans, the New York Times has noted that the separate 9/11 Congressional intelligence report reveals that "one of the F.B.I.'s best sources in San Diego informed the F.B.I. that he thought that al-Bayoumi must be an intelligence officer" for the Saudis. It further states that al-Bayoumi "had access to seemingly unlimited funding from Saudi Arabia" and that the money flow "increased significantly after Mr. al-Bayoumi came in contact with the two hijackers in early 2000."

A 3,000 mile coincidence

While it is unknown what Aulaqi and the possible Saudi spy discussed on February 4, the 9/11 hijackers struck up a relationship with Aulaqi shortly after establishing themselves in an apartment near his mosque outside San Diego. The 9/11 Commission Report states that the two future hijackers developed a deep respect for Imam Aulaqi as a spiritual leader during closed door meetings they had with him. One has to question whether the hijackers would have associated with an unsympathetic imam as they prepared themselves spiritually for "martyrdom."

During the summer of 2000, Aulaqi left his San Diego mosque and had relocated to Falls Church by January 2001. There he began preaching at Dar al-Hijrah mosque and studying at GW's human resources development doctoral program, according to Paul Sperry's controversial new book Infiltration. Further increasing suspicion surrounding Aulaqi, 9/11 hijacker Hazmi-now accompanied by 9/11 kamikaze pilot Hani Hanjour-relocated to Falls Church just three months after Aulaqi had settled in.

And then came a day of fire

The 9/11 Commission Report states that Aulaqi's Falls Church mosque became a particular point of interest shortly after September 11, when it was learned some hijackers had worshipped there. Aulaqi was interviewed by the FBI during the month of September and claimed to recognize the pictures of some of the hijackers but not their names. In addition, Aulaqi denied that he was in contact with the hijackers in Virginia, a statement now believed to be false. Despite Aulaqi's denials, both FBI agents and the 9/11 commissioners suspect that Aulaqi helped the 9/11 hijackers in Virginia by tasking a member of his mosque to find the hijackers an apartment in Alexandria.

Prior to September 11, members of the GW MSA asked Imam Aulaqi to serve as the MSA chaplain after hearing of Aulaqi's local fame as a talented leader, thinker and orator. Amna Rani, a GW MSA executive board member in 2001, informed me that Aulaqi's involvement with the MSA was fairly limited. Aulaqi became close with a couple of students who could not be reached for comment. Other than attending a meeting or two with the GW board of chaplains, Rani stated that Aulaqi only taught a course on Muhammad for a few weeks after 9/11. He then stopped his ministry to GW students altogether without explanation. However, Aulaqi continued to frequent GW's campus, taking doctoral classes until the end of the fall 2001 semester.

Missed opportunities

As the 9/11 investigation progressed, the FBI wanted to bring Aulaqi in for further questioning but lacked evidence to do so. According to US News and World Report, "FBI sources say agents observed the imam [Aulaqi] allegedly taking Washington-area prostitutes into Virginia and contemplated using a federal statute usually reserved for nabbing pimps who transport prostitutes across state lines." The FBI's plans fell apart when Aulaqi left the country for Yemen in March of 2002.

Paul Sperry reveals, however, that Federal agents got a second chance to detain Aulaqi, when he returned to America purportedly to liquidate his assets on October 10, 2002. Aulaqi popped up on the terror watch list when he entered New York's JFK Airport due to a separate suspicion of fundraising for Islamist terrorists. But Aulaqi was released after a few hours because the warrant to detain him had been removed by government officials the day before his arrival on October 9, 2002. A mere two months later, the chagrined FBI would reopen its investigation of Aulaqi after the 9/11 Congressional report was released.


http://media.www.thegwpatriot.com/media ... 7398.shtml

He's connected to the Saudi government operatives and hijackers of the 9/11 plot whether he was in on it or not.

All this stuff seems connected.

Ptech and Enron, Ptech and Akamai/Daniel Lewin, etc.

Again, not suggesting everyone of these reoccuring nodes on the deep state jihadist map are in on it, but certainly persons of interest.
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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:44 am

justdrew wrote:
Well, if you were wondering what paranoiac smear artist would be the first to step out and attempt to name President Barack Obama as the man who guided Nidal Malik Hasan to his murderous rampage at Fort Hood yesterday, the answer -- naturally! -- is Jerome Corsi. Corsi has a long history of lunatic, fact-averse ravings and he fails to disappoint on that regard on the pages of World Net Daily, today, in a piece entitled "Shooter advised Obama transition." Except, of course, he didn't do any such thing.

Corsi hangs his entire allegation on a document produced on May 19, 2009 by The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute entitled "Thinking Anew, Security Priorities For The Next Administration." In that document, Nidal Hasan is listed, on page 29, as a "Task Force Event Participant." He was one of hundreds of people listed as a "participant." Significantly, Nidal was not the author of the document. He was not a member of the HSPI's "Presidential Transition Task Force." Nor was he a member of the HSPI's "Task Force Staff." He was not a member of the HSPI's Steering Committee or a briefer to the task force.

Also, the activities of the HSPI here do not in anyway constitute official transition advice to the White House, despite the fact that a committee got named the "Presidential Transition Task Force" and the HSPI's activities involved identifying homeland security priorities and offering advice. Here is what the HSPI does:

Founded in 2003, The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute (HSPI) is a nonpartisan "think and do" tank whose mission is to build bridges between theory and practice to advance homeland security through an interdisciplinary approach. By convening domestic and international policymakers and practitioners at all levels of government, the private and non-profit sectors, and academia, HSPI creates innovative strategies and solutions to current and future threats to the nation.

The task force gave itself the following mission: "to further policy discussions of the top strategic priorities in the area of security in order to generate actionable recommendations, for the Administration taking office in January 2009, designed to effectively meet the most vexing challenges the United States faces today."

Essentially, what the HSPI did (and all of this is spelled out explicitly in this document's executive summary) is convene a giant group of security wonks and academics, heard some briefings, made some "internal deliberations," and generated a set of priorities and recommendations. Then those recommendations got published, and maybe someone at the White House read them, but it's more likely that the content ended up as material to cite in the middle of further security-wonk discussions.

And at some point in the process, Nidal Hasan might have sat in a room while this was happening, with a few hundred other people.

But none of this constitutes formal advice given to the president on homeland security during the transition of power. This was a university panel that has sod all to do with the White House, generating ideas, and calling it "advice" for the president. If two or three of you wanted to meet up with me at the Au Bon Pain on Pennsylvania Avenue this afternoon and chat today, we will have accomplished basically the same thing.

Corsi, in fact, knows this. He writes:

While the GWU task force participants included several members of government, including representatives of the Department of Justice and the U.S Department of Homeland Security, there is no indication in the document that the group played any formal role in the official Obama transition, other than to serve in a university-based advisory capacity.

In short, the facts Corsi obtained torpedo the premise of his piece, which, I remind you, is that the "shooter advised [the] Obama transition." Were this being written for a responsible journalistic entity, some creature called an "editor" would have stepped in and said, "Hey, Jerome, you realize that by your own findings, you article is complete horseshit, right?" But this is World Net Daily, written by and for complete charlatans.

UPDATE: I contacted Frank Cilluffo, the director of the HSPI at George Washington University, who tells me that Nidal Hasan has no affiliation with the HSPI or with George Washington University, at all. "[Hasan] has no role on the task force, other than the fact that he attended these meetings as an audience member, as did hundreds of others." Hasan's name appears on the list of participants only because he provided the HSPI with an RSVP, indicating his attendance. Cilluffo told me, "We always record RSVPs and publish them as a matter of transparency, and will continue to do so."


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/iwndis-jerome-corsi-claim_n_348461.html&cp


Where's World Net Daily trying to link the 9/11 hijackers or other terror suspects to Bush appointed officials and agencies?
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Postby compared2what? » Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:36 pm

Cordelia wrote:
SanDiegoBuffGuy wrote:The gunman was Muslim, or as NBC news said yesterday morning, "of Muslim descent" (but they didn't explain how you can have descent from a religion)


Great observation--do newscasters frequently make those kinds of mistakes? (I don't have T.V.).


Yes. It's almost a job requirement. They also seem to have a very heavy investment in the phrase "between you and I."

Also, I think it's more a case of insensitive and unnecessarily loaded word choice than it is a literal error. People born into current and former largely endogamous faiths and/or sects are often presumed to have a shared ethno-religious identity, the ethnic part of which is presumed to have been incorporated by reference when the religion is named.

As in "born Catholic" (in the present) and "of Catholic descent" (maybe a little antiquated now, but once common, as "of Irish-Catholic descent" still is). Likewise not only "born Jewish"/"of Jewish descent," as already noted, but also "of Mormon descent," "of Hindi descent," "of Parsi descent," etcetera. Even though Mormons and Catholics actively proselytize; only very orthodox forms of Judaism still frown on conversion; descent was only formally pertinent in the recent past on an interfaith basis for Hindis (per the caste system); and only Parsis are actually still formally defined primarily by descent.

It's definitely more than a minor error in judgment for the newscaster to have opted for that usage under all circumstances. And in a political context that functionally equates "Islamic descent" with "Arab descent" -- not to mention one that assumes "Arab descent" to have a uniform connotation irrespective of nationality, religion, and other equivalently meaningful distinctions -- it's also both an ignorant and bigoted characterization.

But it isn't really a mistake. It's something much worse.

I thought, due to high unemployment, recruitment was no longer a problem (good reason for high unemployment).

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Welcome to the site, Cordelia.** It hadn't occurred to me before that rising unemployment might be good for desperate military recruiters. It's a frightening thought. Do you recall where you heard or read the suggestion that gave rise to it?

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Postby compared2what? » Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:50 pm

barracuda wrote:
Do you recall where you heard or read the suggestion that gave rise to it?


The idea was referred to in the OP article from the "Fat kids don't join the Army" thread, compare2what?, for one example.


Thanks. Also, for the sake of clarity, what I meant by "not really a mistake" was "not really a categorically mistaken usage." Which I wasn't trying to say just to be picayune about minor technicalities, but rather because there really is a much more serious problem with it than that. I hope that was clear. But it probably wasn't. I feel relatively sure. In my sinking heart.
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Postby barracuda » Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:53 pm

By the way, that post of mine didn't disappear, I just reconsidered it til I went back and re-read the article. But it's all good in the neighborhodd.
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Postby JackRiddler » Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:03 pm

It takes a special combination of implicit racism, ethno/geographic ignorance, and failed/faked political correctness to spawn a phrase like "of Muslim descent." And quick, can anyone tell us the "descent" of Klebold and Harris?
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Postby 23 » Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:05 pm

JackRiddler wrote:It takes a special combination of implicit racism, ethno/geographic ignorance, and failed/faked political correctness to spawn a phrase like "of Muslim descent." And quick, can anyone tell us the "descent" of Klebold and Harris?


I'll take a swipe at that. Same one as ours?

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Postby 23 » Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:08 pm

JackRiddler wrote:It takes a special combination of implicit racism, ethno/geographic ignorance, and failed/faked political correctness to spawn a phrase like "of Muslim descent." And quick, can anyone tell us the "descent" of Klebold and Harris?


I'll take a swipe at that. Same one as ours?

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On the other hand, I personally believe that it's this:

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Postby SanDiegoBuffGuy » Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:15 pm

I'm seeing the same sort of things going on in reaction to what he was wearing at the convenience store the morning of the shootings. How many news sources have called this "traditional dress." What is that? Wasn't he "traditionally dressed" as someone going to work at other points in time at that convenience store?

We all know that the more "traditional," ie, the more orthodox he is the more likely he is to be a fanatic to attack the Great Satan, right?

They are trying to make him out to be "The Other," I'm tellin' ya.

Thanks for the welcome compared2what?. It's good to be here after all this time spent lurking.
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Postby Cordelia » Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:30 pm

compared2what? wrote:[quote="CordeliaWelcome to the site, Cordelia.** It hadn't occurred to me before that rising unemployment might be good for desperate military recruiters. It's a frightening thought. Do you recall where you heard or read the suggestion that gave rise to it?
**And you too, SDBG!


Thanks compared2what. Actually, about two years ago I read several articles on how recruiters were having such a hard time filling their quotas**, a few had committed suicide. It was about the same time a possible draft 'was in the air' and I thought the best way to increase recruitment and circumvent an unpopular, probably fatal, draft would be an increase in unemployment. Not very prophetic; my job (before I lost most of my customers due to their going out of business) has been to keep my finger on the pulse of the economy and so I saw the beginning of the loss of jobs through my customer's downturn, which became my downturn, and so it goes............

SDBG wrote: "I haven't had a TV for almost a year now, but for some strange reason the screen tempts me wherever I go (and I finished reading my book by that time)."

I think the screen temptation is why it's called programming. (I haven't had tv reception for 23 years now and doubt I ever will. Probably if I did I'd be watching it all the time.)

**The trouble with quotas being met, what are they going to do with all the recruitments?
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