"9/11 Hijackers" R based on "cellphone" claims. Debunked.

[MacCruiskeen]

I posted this in the Data Dump a couple of months ago. It's the best and most comprehensive study of the whole "hijacker" yarn I've yet seen. By the Palestinian-born Icelander Elias Davidsson:

PDF

No evidence that Muslims hijacked planes on 9/11

By Elias Davidsson

10 January 2008 (revised 8 February 2008)

Abstract: The United States government has alleged that 19 individuals with Arab names,
deemed fanatic Muslims, hijacked four passenger planes on 11 September 2001 and crashed
them in a suicide-operation that killed approximately 3,000 people. In this Note, the author
shows that there is no evidence that these individuals boarded any of these passenger planes.
Absent such evidence for over six years, the official account of 9/11 must finally be exposed
as a lie.

[...]

http://www.aldeilis.net/english/images/ ... idence.pdf

[tazmic]

Quick! Make a distraction!

[edit: that reads so wrong.. okay, page 2 mac ]

[Elvis]

one particular Israeli firm, ICTS, headed by a convicted crook, was deemed so superior to American firms that it was granted all these contracts to protect U.S. airports and the WTC, yet it couldn't even be bothered to install the kind of CCTV cameras that have been standard equipment at gas stations for decades, is certainly worth investigating. That it just happened to be the same company that allowed Richard Reid (the "shoebomber") and Farouk Abdulmutalib (the "crotchbomber") onto airplanes despite numerous red flags, and that was responsible for security for the London underground at the time of the mysterious 7/7 bombings should make everyone wonder just what it would take for governments to shop elsewhere for their "security" needs. That this same company was hastily given total immunity by the U.S. government, from prosecution or civil suits by the victims' families for its many "failures" on and leading up to 9/11, also warrants further investigation. No?

Yes. Totally.

And folks here may know that at the time of 7/7, a former CIA agent, Bob Kiley (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kiley and http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1113837.stm), was managing director of the London transit system. Wouldn't he have a say in letting the contracts? Among other things. Just saying. I'm getting a little far afield from the thread with this mention, but it's one of those overlaps.

[barracuda]

Israel and Mossad definitely had starring roles, but the people who ran the operation used mostly fundie xians to carry it out. When you dig into 9/11 they are everywhere. Look at Flight 93, almost every member of the Let's Roll Team, who were also the one who made most of the phone calls, were all fundies, including Cee Cee and Ed Felt. From there it gets even better.

I'm not syre what you mean by that. Are you implying that CeeCee Lyles was part of the "team"? Because, like so much of this thread, that just sounds like the crazy to me.

CeeCee grew up in Fort Pierce and raised her sons on her own until she married Lorne in May 2000 and later moved to Fort Myers. Emulating her mother and aunts, she never took welfare, instead working two or three jobs while volunteering at Restoration House, a Christian women's shelter that two of her aunts founded in Fort Pierce.

"CeeCee was a role model, showing women they could make their own way without leeching off the system," said her aunt, Mareya Schneider. "In the last few years, she really dedicated herself to the Lord and she would use Scripture to explain that if you don't work, you don't eat."

I'm getting a feeling the general thrust of many of the folks on this thread is Israel remote-controlled the planes which seems like a weak footing. The main problem with remote-control as a point of departure here is that it is completely unproveable. Sheer confabulatory conjecture. Remote-controlled planes is a story someone made up, in all likelihood, first by Snake Plissken as the so-called "Flight Of The Bumble Planes"in Early 2002.

Another problem with remote-control is that it does not really flow quite as organically from the OP some people seem to feel, and the OP (no phone calls) is very, very weak in and of itself. If someone could take the time to outline just what they think happened with regard to the fraud of the calls in some organised procedural fashion, it would be helpful, because while Griffin's article puts some of the calls into question, it really doesn't explain much.

[17breezes]

That it just happened to be the same company that allowed Richard Reid (the "shoebomber") and Farouk Abdulmutalib (the "crotchbomber") onto airplanes despite numerous red flags

But this is of course false. The service warned the French but the French let Reid on the plane anyway. Also ICTS did not provide security at the Amsterdam airport.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A security firm at the Paris airport told French authorities on two different days that the shoe bomb suspect should be screened further, the president of the firm told CNN Tuesday.

Lior Zucker, president and CEO of the security firm ICTS, said his security officers recommended Friday and Saturday that French authorities take a closer look at the suspect now identified as Richard C. Reid, 28. ICTS does security screening for American Airlines in France and in other European countries.

Authorities suspect Reid of trying to use a match to detonate plastic explosives hidden in his sneakers during an American Airlines flight Saturday en route from Paris, France, to Miami, Florida.

He was subdued during a brief struggle with flight attendants and passengers, and the plane was safely diverted to Logan International Airport in Boston, Massachusetts.

Reid was questioned by French authorities Friday after raising suspicions of a ICTS agent. Authorities eventually said Reid could board American Airlines Flight 63, but by then he had missed the flight.

When he returned Saturday to board the same flight, an ICTS security agent again recommended Reid should be checked further by French authorities, according to Zucker. Nevertheless, Reid was allowed on the plane, he said.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/25/p ... index.html

important Notice, 28 December 2009

Following the terrorist attack on DL/NW Flight 253 on 25 December 2009 , there have been incorrect reports linking ICTS Europe to the event.

We would like to make it clear that ICTS Europe Holdings B.V. is not connected in any way to the mentioned events. ICTS Europe does not provide any security services, nor any other services, whether directly or indirectly, at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport and is not connected in any way to any of the companies that provide security services at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport.

Operating in many other airports across Europe and worldwide, ICTS Europe Holding B.V. continues to work tirelessly with our clients and the authorities to ensure that the new, enhanced security measures are implemented efficiently and with the utmost regard to customer service.

http://www.icts.co.uk/

[thatsmystory]

Some have suggested the content of the calls is odd, i.e. possibly a script from an hijack simulation exercise. There is no way a family member would ever traumatize their family in such a manner. Also there is no way the airlines would run a drill like that. Why? Lawsuits. They would get the shit sued out of them. And we know from Red Unit members Steve Elson and Bogdan Dzakovic that the FAA and the airlines were lax on security. So a live drill on a passenger plane doesn't make sense for a number of reasons.

Davidsson's article is very good. I too tried to find some information on the gate agents but had no success. As he notes in the article their identities are secret. Some debunkers like to say that the last thing they need is to have their privacy invaded by 9/11 truthers. I get the privacy argument but see no reason why their MFR's (assuming the 9/11 Commission interviewed them) weren't released with their names redacted. There is also the strange lack of media interest. For example, Portland Jetport ticket agent Michael Touhey was interviewed despite the fact that he wasn't working a 9/11 plane gate. Why wouldn't the media be interested in the Flight 11 gate agent's story? After all, he or she was the person who presumably saw Atta board Flight 11. There was a rumor a few years ago that the Flight 11 gate agent committed suicide. AFAIK, that story was proven to be false.

History Commons has an account of a ticket counter agent (at check in) who ID'ed two of the Flight 175 hijackers.

Two of the Flight 175 hijackers approach a customer service representative at the United Airlines ticket counter at Boston’s Logan Airport. The two appear unaccustomed to traveling. One tells the representative, Gail Jawahir, that he needs a ticket, though upon examining his documents she finds he already has one. Both men have problems answering standard security questions, which Jawahir has to repeat very slowly until they give the routine, reassuring answers. There is conflicting evidence over their identities. Jawahir will place her encounter with the men at “shortly before 7 a.m.” Shown photos of the alleged hijackers after 9/11, she will indicate that one of the two she encountered resembled Mohand Alshehri, suggesting the two were Alshehri and Fayez Ahmed Banihammad, who checked in at 6:53 a.m. Yet she recalls the two having the same last name and having assigned seats on Row 9 of the plane, suggesting they were Ahmed and Hamza Alghamdi, who checked in at 6:20 a.m.

Flight 175 check in

Reclaiming the Sky by Tom Murphy has a description by the Flight 93 gate agent. “They were too well-dressed. Too well-dressed for that early in the morning. And their muscles rippled below their suits. And their eyes.” Murphy also relates by way of a Logan customer service manager the observation of UA employees who dealt with Flight 175 hijackers. They too commented on their eyes. I guess their eyes gave signs of anger or some sort of fanaticism. I don't know.

Murphy also details the story of Ed Freni (director of operations at Logan):

It was now 9:30 AM. The fax crackled and several pages with names listed in long columns rolled out. Ed grabbed the pages before they could hit the drop box and uncapped a Sharpie.

As John looked over his shoulder, Ed began with the manifest for American Flight 11, circling names that jumped out at him. Arabic men had carried out the attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. Now, as the television showed smoke emanating from the World Trade Center again, this time so much bigger, so much worse, he looked for Arabic names.

In 2A and 2B, he circled two, both W. Alshehri.
In 8D, M. Atta, and 8G, A. Alomari.
In 10B, he circled S. Alsuqami.

The remainder of the plane--the other ninety-two passengers--did not appear suspicious as he glided the tip of the Sharpie down the page.

Then Ed turned to the manifest for United Flight 175, and did the same thing with his pen. He circled F. Alquadibanihammad, A. Alghamdi, H. Alghamdi, M. Alshehri, and M. Alsehhi. (pages 35-36)

Murphy conducted training seminars for airline personnel (i.e. customer service reps). The book is about his quest to find closure. His book is different from many because it focuses on airline personnel and what happened in the airports. I'm not at all suggesting his account is definitive. Nevertheless he does add some interesting details.

[AlicetheKurious]

That it just happened to be the same company that allowed Richard Reid (the "shoebomber") and Farouk Abdulmutalib (the "crotchbomber") onto airplanes despite numerous red flags

But this is of course false. The service warned the French but the French let Reid on the plane anyway. Also ICTS did not provide security at the Amsterdam airport.

No, that's false. The firm that provides security at the Amsterdam airport is the product of a partnership between the Israeli company and ICTS Europe. But even if that were not the case, Schiphol Airport was exposed years ago as one of the world's major hubs for the Mossad's illegal activities. Guess what: the Israelis lie.

The ICTS mystery

When Reid went on his next fateful trip -- the one where he tried to light his shoe -- he passed through a check from an Israeli-owned security service called ICTS. ICTS employs a large number of Shin Bet veterans and has strong links to Mossad.

All of which brings us back to Farouk and the Christmas event.

Most of the conspiracy-oriented websites are now claiming that ICTS ran security at Schiphol -- for example, see here. ICTS has offered this strong denial:


Following the terrorist attack on DL/NW Flight 253 on 25 December 2009 , there have been incorrect reports linking ICTS Europe to the event.

We would like to make it clear that ICTS Europe Holdings B.V. is not connected in any way to the mentioned events. ICTS Europe does not provide any security services, nor any other services, whether directly or indirectly, at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport and is not connected in any way to any of the companies that provide security services at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport.

The ICTS disclaimer offers a startling contrast to this PR announcement from January 14:


ICTS International N.V. (Nasdaq: ICTS) announced today that it has formed a partnership arrangement with ICTS Europe Holdings BV, an unaffiliated party, to provide security services at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol in The Netherlands. The partnership named ICTS Netherlands Airport Services has been awarded two contracts having an aggregate value of $15,000,000 Euros a year or annually. The contracts are for three years and relate to two sections of the airport to provide security, employees, guards and control in the airport, establishing a central check point and security arrangements for airport employees and other related services.

...

Incidentally, ICTS (through another subsidiary, named Huntleigh) also runs the security at Detroit airport.

And who runs security at the airport at Lagos International Airport, a.k.a. Murtala Muhammed International Airport, a.k.a. LOS? This is where Farouk flew out to Schiphol -- presumably wearing, even then, his PETN briefs. (Oddly, this airport was modeled after Schiphol.) Farouk went through two checks; KLM (the carrier) provided the second check, but I don't know who conducted the first one. Still another ICTS subsidiary -- MUSC -- provides maritime security services for the Nigerian government. Nigeria restored relations with Israel in 1992, after a 19 year break; some accounts hold that the two governments are now quite close.

Link

...ICTS was established in 1982 by former members of the Shin Bet and El Al security. ("El Al security" is a division of the Mossad -- Alice) Menachem Atzmon, who has been chairman of the board of directors since 2004, holds the controlling shares in the firm.

The ICTS headquarters are in the Netherlands and the company is traded in the New York Stock Exchange. Some senior managers are Israeli, including the joint managing director Ran Langer.

Another important figure is Doron Zicher, general manager of I-SEC. Zicher has been in charge of operations in the Netherlands for more than two decades and has served as adviser to the Dutch Justice Ministry, which is responsible for setting guidelines for airport security. ...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1141434.html


Some context on the true relationship between Schiphol Airport and the Mossad, from the History Commons (paragraph breaks added):

6:25 pm October 4, 1992: Plane Crash in Holland Shows Chemicals for Sarin Were Being Transported
Edit event

El Al Flight LY1862, en route from New York to Tel Aviv, crashes into a block of apartment buildings shortly after take-off from Schiphol Airport, located south-east of Amsterdam. At least 43 people on the ground are killed (The exact number of deaths is unknown, since many of the incinerated victims were undocumented immigrants). Information about the plane’s cargo and the crash is suppressed: El Al withholds information about the plane’s several tons of “military cargo;” 12 hours of videotape made during the rescue and clean-up operation (42 cassettes in all), along with police audiotapes, are erased and shredded; and El Al documents and the plane’s cockpit voice recorder (CVR) mysteriously disappear.

It is later learned that the plane, a Boeing 747, was carrying several tons of chemicals, including hydrofluoric acid, isopro-panol and dimethyl methylphosphonate (DMMP)—three of the four chemicals used in the production of sarin nerve gas. The shipment of chemicals—approved by the US commerce department—reportedly came from Solkatronic Chemicals Inc. of Morrisville, Pennsylvania and its final destination was the Institute for Biological Research (IIBR) in Ness Ziona near Tel Aviv, Israel, which is reported to be the “Israeli military and intelligence community’s front organization for the development, testing and production of chemical and biological weapons.” A former IIBR biologist later tells the London Sunday Times in October of 1998, “There is hardly a single known or unknown form of chemical or biological weapon… which is not manufactured at the institute.” In fact, it was IIBR that provided the poison and the antidote used in the attempted assassination of a Hamas leader in Jordan in 1998. The IIBR does not appear on any maps and is off-limits even to members of Israel’s Parliament, the Knesset.

Israel denies that the chemicals were to be used in the production of chemical weapons and instead claims that they were needed to test gas masks. But as an article in Earth Island Journal notes: “[T]his explanation is puzzling since it only takes a few grams to conduct such tests. Once combined, the chemicals aboard Flight 1862 could have produced 270 kilos of sarin—sufficient to kill the entire population of a major world city.” During hearings on the crash in 1999, it is learned that since 1973, El Al planes are never inspected by customs or the Dutch Flight Safety Board and that El Al security at Schiphol is a branch of the Israeli Mossad. Furthermore, it is discovered that every Sunday evening a mysterious El Al cargo flight arrives at Schiphol en route from New York to Tel Aviv. The flights are never displayed on the airport arrival monitors and the flights’ documents are processed in a special, unmarked room. [BBC, 10/2/1998; Earth Island Journal, 1999; Covert Action Quarterly, 10/20/2004] Over a thousand residents living near the crash site later become sick with respiratory, neurological and mobility ailments and a rise in cancer and birth defects is later detected among the population. [ZNet, 10/12/2002]

http://www.historycommons.org/context.j ... yinterview



Now, back to the cell-phone calls. Some of the statements by the supposed passengers during the 'cell-phone calls' are decidedly strange; I'm not just referring to "Mark Bingham's" odd announcement to his mother, "Hi mom, this is Mark Bingham," and his repeated requests for confirmation that she believes him. There's also this quote, supposedly spoken by Thomas Burnett to his wife Deena:

"We are turning toward the World Trade Center, no we are turning away."

That's just silly. How the heck would a passenger on an airplane know whether the plane was turning towards the WTC, let alone away from it? Even from a few hundred feet, that kind of precision would be laughable, let alone from thousands of feet in the air.

I stumbled upon this very interesting ad for a product that you can buy on the internet. The product supposedly can be used, not only to change your voice from male to female and vice versa, but even to provide a false caller id.


http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/spoof ... anger.html

And then I came across this article from the Washington Post, published in 1999:

When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing

Bill Arkin

By William M. Arkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Monday, Feb. 1, 1999

"Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.

At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.

But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.

Steiner was hardly the first or last victim to be spoofed by Papcun's team members. To refine their method, they took various high quality recordings of generals and experimented with creating fake statements. One of the most memorable is Colin Powell stating "I am being treated well by my captors."

"They chose to have him say something he would never otherwise have said," chuckled one of Papcun's colleagues.

A Box of Chocolates is Like War

Most Americans were introduced to the tricks of the digital age in the movie Forrest Gump, when the character played by Tom Hanks appeared to shake hands with President Kennedy.

For Hollywood, it is special effects. For covert operators in the U.S. military and intelligence agencies, it is a weapon of the future.

"Once you can take any kind of information and reduce it into ones and zeros, you can do some pretty interesting things," says Daniel T. Kuehl, chairman of the Information Operations department of the National Defense University in Washington, the military's school for information warfare.

PSYOPS seeks to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations.

Digital morphing — voice, video, and photo — has come of age, available for use in psychological operations. PSYOPS, as the military calls it, seek to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations to pursue national and battlefield objectives.

To some, PSYOPS is a backwater military discipline of leaflet dropping and radio propaganda. To a growing group of information war technologists, it is the nexus of fantasy and reality. Being able to manufacture convincing audio or video, they say, might be the difference in a successful military operation or coup.

Allah on the Holodeck

Pentagon planners started to discuss digital morphing after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Covert operators kicked around the idea of creating a computer-faked videotape of Saddam Hussein crying or showing other such manly weaknesses, or in some sexually compromising situation. The nascent plan was for the tapes to be flooded into Iraq and the Arab world.

The tape war never proceeded, killed, participants say, by bureaucratic fights over jurisdiction, skepticism over the technology, and concerns raised by Arab coalition partners.

What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad?

But the "strategic" PSYOPS scheming didn't die. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad urging the Iraqi people and Army to rise up against Saddam, a senior Air Force officer asked in 1990?

According to a military physicist given the task of looking into the hologram idea, the feasibility had been established of projecting large, three-dimensional objects that appeared to float in the air.

But doing so over the skies of Iraq? To project such a hologram over Baghdad on the order of several hundred feet, they calculated, would take a mirror more than a mile square in space, as well as huge projectors and power sources.

And besides, investigators came back, what does Allah look like?

The Gulf War hologram story might be dismissed were it not the case that washingtonpost.com has learned that a super secret program was established in 1994 to pursue the very technology for PSYOPS application. The "Holographic Projector" is described in a classified Air Force document as a system to "project information power from space ... for special operations deception missions."

War is Like a Box of Chocolates

Voice-morphing? Fake video? Holographic projection? They sound more like Mission Impossible and Star Trek gimmicks than weapons. Yet for each, there are corresponding and growing research efforts as the technologies improve and offensive information warfare expands.

Whereas early voice morphing required cutting and pasting speech to put letters or words together to make a composite, Papcun's software developed at Los Alamos can far more accurately replicate the way one actually speaks. Eliminated are the robotic intonations.

The irony is that after Papcun finished his speech cloning research, there were no takers in the military. Luckily for him, Hollywood is interested: The promise of creating a virtual Clark Gable is mightier than the sword. (Well, we all know the Mossad has no access to "Hollywood"! -- Alice)

Video and photo manipulation has already raised profound questions of authenticity for the journalistic world. With audio joining the mix, it is not only journalists but also privacy advocates and the conspiracy-minded who will no doubt ponder the worrisome mischief that lurks in the not too distant future.

"We already know that seeing isn't necessarily believing," says Dan Kuehl, "now I guess hearing isn't either."

William M. Arkin, author of "The U.S. Military Online," is a leading expert on national security and the Internet. He lectures and writes on nuclear weapons, military matters and information warfare. An Army intelligence analyst from 1974-1978, Arkin currently consults for Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive, MSNBC and the Natural Resources Defense Council.

Arkin can be reached for comment at william_arkin@washingtonpost.com.

© Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/na ... 020199.htm


Hmmm. Eerily accurate voice morphing, based on a 10-second recording of the target's voice... But where on earth could such a recording be obtained?

From an Amy Goodman interview with James Bamford, author of The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America:

JAMES BAMFORD: Yeah. There’s two major—or not major, they’re small companies, but they service the two major telecom companies. This company, Narus, which was founded in Israel and has large Israel connections, does the—basically the tapping of the communications on AT&T. And Verizon chose another company, ironically also founded in Israel and largely controlled by and developed by people in Israel called Verint.

So these two companies specialize in what’s known as mass surveillance. Their literature—I read this literature from Verint, for example—is supposed to only go to intelligence agencies and so forth, and it says, “We specialize in mass surveillance,” and that’s what they do. They put these mass surveillance equipment in these facilities. ...

quoted here

[Hammer of Los]

Great going guys! Keep it up!

Kick those debunkers in the shins!

[barracuda]

Whoa, I honestly had no idea why my shins were hurting so much until I reviewed this thread and noticed the incipient bruising.

Let's examine the phone calls of one of the hijacked planes' passengers, a thirty-eight year old author and marketing expert for Good Housekeeping magazine on flight 93 named Lauren Grandcolas. Grandcolas was flying home to California after attending her grandmother's funeral in Chatham, New Jersey.

Grandcolas made eight out of thethirty-seven calls documented as coming from the flight before the destruction of the plane at 10:03:11. Her calls were as follows:

9:39:21 - 46 seconds to her residence in San Raphel, California
9:40:42 - 0 sec. to Kris Kor Enterprises in San Raphel
9:41:34 - 4 sec. to her residence
9:42:03 - 2 sec. to her residence
9:42:25 - 3 sec. to her residence
9:42:45 - 3 sec. to her residence
9:43:24 - 0 sec. to Vaughn C. Lohec (relative) in New Jersey
9:43:44 - 7 sec. to V. Nadel in New Jersey (a misdialed wrong number)

Now according to Alice's theory above, Ms. Grandcolas was presumably surveilled by an Israeli telecom company, the managers of which then gave her 10 minute voice sample to the Mossad (or someone else), who then "cloned" her voice and developed an accurate facsimile with which to fool her sleeping husband once he awoke to find her fabricated "last words" on their answering machine during the proper time sequence for it to make some sense with regards to the situation in the air, and, in this particular case, the circumstances of the variety of phone calls this woman might have conceivably made while in such a situation were she to get an answering machine and several dropped calls. The contingency plan was, apparently, for her to call her brother she had been at the funeral with, and her job, with the misdialed wrong number thrown in for theatrical verisimilitude.

The Mossad (or whomever) presumably had acquired the passenger manifests based on tickets issued, so they had any number of possible individuals on the planes to work up this background and swing into action at the proper moment, in this case, at 9:39 am.

But it might have been a wee bit tougher to pull this off with Lauren Grandcolas, mostly due to the fact that her ticket had been issued for UA Flight 91, but she was early to the airport and was allowed to board an earlier flight, the doomed number 93.

[Percival]

When in doubt blame the Jews, nothing new.

[barracuda]

When in doubt blame the Jews, nothing new.

Percival, Alice has made a rather exhaustive case for the involvement of the Israeli state in the events of the day on a variety of levels upthread, and elsewhere on the board. You've been back from your hiatus for one day, and you're already posting rote troll comments like this and adding absolutely nothing to the discussion? That doesn't make it, my man.

[Percival]

When in doubt blame the Jews, nothing new.

Percival, Alice has made a rather exhaustive case for the involvement of the Israeli state in the events of the day on a variety of levels upthread, and elsewhere on the board. You've been back from your hiatus for one day, and your already posting troll comments like this and adding absolutely nothing to the discussion? That doesn't make it, my man.

I simply take issue with blaming Israel and the Jews for everything. Not trolling. I will note your disagreement.

I wont continue this protest as that would be trolling. I said what I had to say and I am done with it.

[barracuda]

Super.

[thatsmystory]

Another theory about the cell calls is the possibility that the planes were retrofitted with cell phone enabling technology. The possibility that planes were tampered with in advance of the attacks would not be something the government would want the public to know. Thus the FBI went with a confusing story of cell/airphone calls. IMO this theory is more plausible than the voice morphing theories.

[Percival]

Another theory about the cell calls is the possibility that the planes were retrofitted with cell phone enabling technology. The possibility that planes were tampered with in advance of the attacks would not be something the government would want the public to know. Thus the FBI went with a confusing story of cell/airphone calls. IMO this theory is more plausible than the voice morphing theories.

Much easier to accomplish for sure.