Health Care Reform - the morning after

[SanDiegoBuffGuy]

But telling us all to fuck ourselves is not kind.... at all.

Looks can be deceiving. A kind face of someone telling me to fuck myself means nothing about how kind the person really is. The words, however, speak volumes.

We all have tragedies in our lives and difficult things to overcome. It's too bad about what IanEye was going through, but taking it out on others is not the mark of someone who is kind. Sorry.

Telling me, a person he hasn't even met, to fuck myself, is the mark of a mean person and someone who doesn't want to embrace others.

Now, let's turn off the IanEye show and get back to Health Care Reform...

Here's a question: Why was this bill laden with over 200 Republican add-ons when the Republicans were against it?

[23]

But telling us all to fuck ourselves is not kind.... at all.

Looks can be deceiving. A kind face of someone telling me to fuck myself means nothing about how kind the person really is. The words, however, speak volumes.

We all have tragedies in our lives and difficult things to overcome. It's too bad about what IanEye was going through, but taking it out on others is not the mark of someone who is kind. Sorry.

Telling me, a person he hasn't even met, to fuck myself, is the mark of a mean person and someone who doesn't want to embrace others.

Now, let's turn off the IanEye show and get back to Health Care Reform...

Here's a question: Why was this bill laden with over 200 Republican add-ons when the Republicans were against it?

Using your standard, SDBG, this thread must be quite a hornet's nest of meanies then:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23965

P.S. Could I cajole you to stop calling it healthcare reform (which is what they want you to buy into), and call it for what it essentially is? Medical insurance industry reform. When you buy into their frame job, you are playing their game. Call it for what it is instead. Say no to their framing of the issue.

[chump]

Good luck with all that Ianeye; and congratulations. I'll be thinking about you. I hope it all gets better. I hope you have insurance for all that.

Meanwhile, I think this bill is about control. I am amazed at the impact it will have at the IRS. I love the quote at the beginning.
http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-7938-0-8-8--.html

Health Care Mandate to Be Enforced by IRS 'Bounty Hunters'
Published on 03-23-2010
By Jim Kouri - BLN Contributing Writer

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”—C. S. Lewis (1898 - 1963)

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) will see its largest expansion since withholding taxes were first enacted during WWII to enforce the glut of new tax mandates and penalties included in the Democrats’ latest health care plan, according to Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX)

A new analysis by the Joint Economic Committee and the House Ways & Means Committee minority staff estimates up to 16,500 new IRS personnel will be needed to collect, examine and audit new tax information mandated on families and small businesses in the ‘reconciliation’ bill being taken up by the U.S. House of Representatives this weekend, according to Brady.

“When most people think of health care reform they think of more doctors exams, not more IRS exams,” says U.S. Congressman Kevin Brady, the top House Republican on the Joint Economic Committee. “Isn’t the federal government already intruding enough into our lives? We need thousands of new doctors and nurses in America, not thousands more IRS agents.”

Scores of new federal mandates and fifteen different tax increases totaling $400 billion are imposed under the Democratic House bill. In addition to more complicated tax returns, families and small businesses will be forced to reveal further tax information to the IRS, provide proof of ‘government approved’ health care and submit detailed sales information to comply with new excise taxes.

Scores of new federal mandates and fifteen different tax increases totaling $400 billion are imposed under the Democratic House bill. In addition to more complicated tax returns, families and small businesses will be forced to reveal further tax information to the IRS, provide proof of ‘government approved’ health care and submit detailed sales information to comply with new excise taxes...

Now I'll try not to fuck myself (up) shovelling snow.

[DeltaDawn]

omG 23, that's exactly what I've been saying all along, but did have to go back and listen to it again, just to make sure he really did say that, can you believe he said that out loud? lol Loved It!

On Edit: I spoke with a Senator from here that states the very same thing (not word for word of course), granted his entire family is in the medical field, but he said our state's health care would now be controlled by the Federal Government and that he was not looking forward to it personally or politically.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

But telling us all to fuck ourselves is not kind.... at all...

Telling me, a person he hasn't even met, to fuck myself, is the mark of a mean person and someone who doesn't want to embrace others.

Now, let's turn off the IanEye show and get back to Health Care Reform...

Yes, let's get back to more compassionate and all-embracing views, like this...

If you want to talk responsibility, talk to all of the people who drain the healthcare system by making poor lifestyle choices and making the decision to be unhealthy.

Did you find these lines in the writings of St. Francis of Assissi, O Kindly One?

Some people don't get a decision on whether they are healthy or not, and whether or not they become a drain on the system, as you put it.

Babies, for example.

All the best to you and yours, IanEye. I hope everything works out well for you and your family.

[nathan28]

that still seems high for a bike fall with no hospitalization and just a few stitches.

Well, he had an ambulance ride too. But I know. $9000 is huge; ridiculous. That is bugging me too. I checked with my wife and she insists that's how much it was, and I believe her but she could be mistaken. I have not personally seen the bill. I asked her to round it up and she couldn't. Whatever. If I find it I'll tell you exactly how much it was.

In the meantime I found this:

I'm curious to know what the enforcement mechanism is. And I want to see figures, too. Because damned if I can find them. What, exactly, is this system though? I'm having trouble finding enforcement information or structures or like I said figures. This is going to turn into the SOX of the health ins. world. You read it here first.[\quote]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ice-force/

A report released last week by House Ways and Means Committee Republicans estimated that the dreaded agency's ranks would swell by 16,500. The newly sworn agents would be charged with ensuring the public's obedience to Mr. Obama's health care directives. The IRS also would enjoy the enhanced powers and budgetary authority required for monitoring the health care status of 300 million Americans on a month-to-month basis. The total cost of the effort is likely to exceed $10 billion.

The investigations will gradually ramp up until 2016, when the individual mandate tax kicks in fully. After that, if the O Force wins a second term, the unprecedented levy will fall upon citizens who fail to purchase health care coverage acceptable to Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. IRS agents would conduct the audits and impose a fine of either $2,085 or 2.5 percent of income - whichever is greater - on disobedient households. According to Congressional Budget Office figures, this tax will generate $17 billion by 2019.

To be very clear I did not quote the Wash. Times, and tend question almost any word that appears in it.

[SanDiegoBuffGuy]

Ahab, you are not reading what I am writing. I said: "talk to all of the people who drain the healthcare system by making poor lifestyle choices and making the decision to be unhealthy."

Obviously, a baby has no choice in the matter. As you can see I'm talking ONLY about people who drain the healthcare system by making poor lifestyle choices and no one else. That's pretty plain English. How is that unclear at all?

[Burnt Hill]

Geez, when did you guys get all sensitive about being cursed at?
Context here? The pic and situation speaks volumes more than the statement.
Many more profanities have passed through here with barely a whimper
Congratulations IanEye.

[julie doceanie]

I know how this whole health care issue is going to go: those of us who are subject to and object to the compulsion element of the whole thing are going to feel mightily put upon at the same time we are feeling increasingly silenced, or shushed, most strenuously by our democrat-lib friends and family.

Health care and mandates and outrage and such will become (along with JFK, MLK, RFK, 9/11, FGM, etc) subjects not suitable for polite conversation. There will be no family Sunday dinner arguments about health care, because it would be one or two objectors against all the rest. The rest will be everyone who already has health insurance and wants to savor a democrat-lib victory in Health Care Reform, whether it should really be called that or not. Objectors will be categorized and marginalized.

I find people aren’t interested in the legal and constitutional issues surrounding the mandate, which are serious and unprecedented. I mean, who would have ever thought? How could we as liberals and democrats ever support legislation that would have the government force the population to buy a defective product at an outrageous price?

Instead of serious issues, people want to argue practicalities and make rationalizations.

I can see that I’m going to have to become a professional martyr, and that it’s going to get ugly.

[Burnt Hill]

SDBG-people who drain the healthcare system by making poor lifestyle choices and making the decision to be unhealthy.

What do you recommend? Mandatory health care for all with an emphasis on and rebates for healthy choices?

[ShinShinKid]

A few things:
This bill has just hit the Senate, and things are going to get much more interesting.

There are reports in the media about retribution towards Democrats; in addition to the vitriol already cast towards supporters, be they ill themselves, or not.
I am wondering if there are similar crimes being commited against the Republican elements of the anti-health care reform bill?

[SanDiegoBuffGuy]

Burnt Hill, some countries have programs that do something like that, yes.

That quote that Ahab pulled out of context came from pages back when the issue of "responsibility" came up. Someone made a comment like I've heard Obama (and others say), "these people need to get responsible and start paying into the system" (paraphrasing). I mentioned that if we are going to look at "responsibility" we should look at those who are part of the system but drag it down with irresponsible behavior (poor diet by choice, no exercise by choice, smoking, etc.). There is a big connection between personal responsibility and health. Yes, yes, yes, before you get the torches and pitchforks, I know, there are many people who can't help being unhealthy, but I'm not talking about them.

For me, this is a sovereignty issue. I've seen too many people I love roll the dice and put themselves in the hands of big pharma, doctors for profit, the insurance companies, etc. and have disasterous and fatal consequences. I don't want any part of that. It should be my choice not to participate at all. I am healthy and careful. It's my lifestyle and I'm sovereign over my own body.

[chump]

To be very clear I did not quote the Wash. Times, and tend question almost any word that appears in it.

Sorry Nathan. I posted it wrong; in response to your post. I fixed it up above. It now looks like this:

wrote:
I'm curious to know what the enforcement mechanism is. And I want to see figures, too. Because damned if I can find them. What, exactly, is this system though? I'm having trouble finding enforcement information or structures or like I said figures. This is going to turn into the SOX of the health ins. world. You read it here first.

In the meantime I found this:



Quote:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/24/obamacares-federal-police-force/

A report released last week by House Ways and Means Committee Republicans estimated that the dreaded agency's ranks would swell by 16,500. The newly sworn agents would be charged with ensuring the public's obedience to Mr. Obama's health care directives. The IRS also would enjoy the enhanced powers and budgetary authority required for monitoring the health care status of 300 million Americans on a month-to-month basis. The total cost of the effort is likely to exceed $10 billion.

The investigations will gradually ramp up until 2016, when the individual mandate tax kicks in fully. After that, if the O Force wins a second term, the unprecedented levy will fall upon citizens who fail to purchase health care coverage acceptable to Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. IRS agents would conduct the audits and impose a fine of either $2,085 or 2.5 percent of income - whichever is greater - on disobedient households. According to Congressional Budget Office figures, this tax will generate $17 billion by 2019.

[SanDiegoBuffGuy]

And what do I get out of that fine?

[Maddy]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/24/obamacares-federal-police-force/

A report released last week by House Ways and Means Committee Republicans estimated that the dreaded agency's ranks would swell by 16,500. The newly sworn agents would be charged with ensuring the public's obedience to Mr. Obama's health care directives. The IRS also would enjoy the enhanced powers and budgetary authority required for monitoring the health care status of 300 million Americans on a month-to-month basis. The total cost of the effort is likely to exceed $10 billion.

The investigations will gradually ramp up until 2016, when the individual mandate tax kicks in fully. After that, if the O Force wins a second term, the unprecedented levy will fall upon citizens who fail to purchase health care coverage acceptable to Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. IRS agents would conduct the audits and impose a fine of either $2,085 or 2.5 percent of income - whichever is greater - on disobedient households. According to Congressional Budget Office figures, this tax will generate $17 billion by 2019.

Well, there's the jobs that were promised.