DoYouEverWonder wrote:What manifests? The airlines never released official manifests for these flights. The only lists we have came from the M$M.
What to you would constitute "official" manifests? The airlines have released lists that include the alleged hijackers to newspapers like the Boston Globe and LAT reporter Terry McDermott. So say the official investigations, too. If you don't believe it, how are you supposed to prove otherwise?
But again, in an inside-job scenario, how could the planners fail to take care of such an elementary point?! They'll have every possible reason to line up their patsies, make sure they're on the flights as dead men and on the lists with Arab names.
The Boston Globe said they got their hands on the complete Flight 92 list already on Sept. 14. What are you going to do, say that they lied? What difference is this going to make?!
Interestingly they say Atta's a Saudi because of his Saudi passport, found on Atta's famous magic bags that didn't get on the plane and had all the evidence in them. Here's the original story via Lexis:
The Boston Globe
September 13, 2001, Thursday ,THIRD EDITION
ATTACK AFTERMATH / A NATION SEARCHES Shelley Murphy, Ralph Ranalli, Stephen Kurkjian, John Donnelly, Michael Rezendes, Wayne Washington, Sally Jacobs, Farah Stockman, and Judy Rakowsky of the Globe Staff contributed to this story. Globe correspondents Broward Liston and Fran Riley also assisted.; 12 SUSPECTS EYED IN HIJACKINGS; GRIM SEARCH FOR VICTIMS GOES ON 3 MEN TRAINED TO BE PILOTS ARE KEY TO PROBE
BYLINE: By Kevin Cullen and Matthew Brelis, Globe Staff
SECTION: NATIONAL/FOREIGN; Pg. A1
Three men who were trained as pilots have emerged as the central figures in the hijacking of two Boston-to-Los Angeles flights that were deliberately crashed into the World Trade Center towers.
The trio are among a dozen men with Arabic surnames who were the focus yesterday of the massive investigation here trying to determine who commandeered the two Boeing 767s that formed half of the biggest terrorist attack ever against Americans.
Sources close to the investigation said that investigators had recovered from a car rented by a suspected hijacker a so-called "ramp pass," which gives the holder access to restricted areas at Logan Airport. Evidence also suggests the rental car was used to case the airport during the week leading up to the attack.
As investigators retraced the steps of the men, using an extensive list of Visa credit card receipts, evidence pointing to the plot having its roots in the Middle East was piling up.
The names of the 12 men with Arabic surnames were not on a passenger list made public yesterday by American Airlines and United Air Lines, whose planes were hijacked Tuesday morning. But The Boston Globe obtained the complete list, and law enforcement sources confirmed that they were focusing on up to a dozen of the Arabic men as they piece together how the two Boston flights were hijacked.
One of the suspects, Mohamed Atta, 33, is a Saudi national who trained as an airline pilot. The other two, Waleed Alshehri and Marwan Alshehri, are believed to be brothers from the United Arab Emirates, and are also trained to fly heavy commercial aircraft like the ones that were commandeered and flown into the World Trade Center towers in New York.
Both Atta, who attended a flight school in Florida last year, and Waleed Alshehri received training that would have made them capable of flying American Airlines Flight 11 into the first of the two towers that later collapsed, killing what officials assume will be thousands of office workers and hundreds of their would-be rescuers.
Marwan Alshehri, who attended flight school with Atta, was capable of flying United Air Lines Flight 175 into one of the towers, investigators believe.
Atta caught Flight 11 off a connecting flight from Portland, Maine. Two bags with Atta's name tags were on the Portland flight, but did not get transferred in time to be loaded on the Los Angeles-bound flight that left Logan Airport at 7:59 a.m., about 45 minutes before it smashed into the World Trade Center tower.
Acccording to the manifest, Atta was assigned seat 8D in business class on Flight 11, directly across the aisle from Hollywood producer David Angell and his wife, Lynn, who were in seats 8A and 8B respectively. Seated next to Atta in seat 8G was Abdul Alomari. The two remaining seats in Row 8, H and J, were unassigned.
The passenger list for Flight 175 shows that Marwan Alshehri got on the plane that left Boston and slammed into one of the Manhattan skyscrapers 15 minutes after Flight 11.
A Florida man, Charles Voss, yesterday said that Atta and a man whom he knew only as Marwan had stayed at his home last year while they obtained flight training at a Florida flight school. Voss, who used to work at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Fla., told the Associated Press that the FBI agents who interviewed him Tuesday told him that the two men who stayed at his home were involved in the hijackings. Azzan Ali, a student at Huffman Aviation, said that Marwan Alshehri had stayed with Voss.
Voss said the FBI told him that the two men who had stayed with him last year had been traced to a car found at Logan Airport. Law enforcement sources told the Globe that authorities had recovered from the car a a ramp pass issued by the Massachusetts Port Authority.
Waleed Alshehri also held a commercial pilot's license and was rated to fly large, multi-engine aircraft.
On Tuesday night, Massachusetts State Police detectives and the FBI seized a Mitsubishi sedan that a Hampden County law enforcement official said one of the suspected hijackers rented in Springfield and that was parked in a Logan Airport parking lot. When they reviewed videotape of the parking lot's surveillance camera, investigators found that the car had entered the lot up to five times between last Wednesday and Tuesday, according to sources. Those sources said the constant presence of the car over the last week suggested that the terrorists had scouted the airport, or performed dry runs for the daring attack.
Sources familiar with the investigation said the ramp pass, found in the Mitsubishi sedan, gives holders access to restricted parts of the airport.
Sources said at least five one-way tickets for the United flight and at least two similar tickets for the American flight were purchased at the last minute by suspected hijackers. The sources said at least four of the tickets were purchased with the same Visa card.
One state official who spoke on condition of anonymity expressed deep regret that airline officials did not react more cautiously regarding the ticket purchases.
"That is something that should jump out at you," said the state official. "One-way ticket, purchased by Arabic gentlemen; that should have been red-flagged."
One source said the car had been parked at least "four to five" times at Logan since Sept. 5.
Meanwhile, authorities in Florida were investigating the possibility that two suspected terrorists, including Waleed Alshehri, prepared for the attacks on New York and Washington while at Embry-Riddle Aeronautics University in Daytona Beach - one as a student and one while working as an instructor.
In a statement yesterday, university officials said they are cooperating with the FBI and other investigative agencies and would provide no further information.
But the Globe found Waleed Alshehri's name on a list of 1997 Embry graduates. The FBI Tuesday evening searched a Daytona Beach apartment where Alshehri lived during the time he is believed to have attended Embry.
The Globe reported yesterday that inside the suitcase belonging to Atta, investigators found a Saudi passport, an international driver's license, a videotape on how to fly a Boeing 757 and 747, and "some kind of religious cassette tape." Atta has previously held an Egyptian driver's license.
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Later they claimed it was TWO bags and one of them had a list of the 19 hijackers on it.
Now what do you think is more plausible: that the FBI guys are inventing this bag, or that they actually found it (i.e., most likely that it was prepared for them to find)??? Again, why wouldn't your inside job masterminds NOT think of these crucial details?
Here's a graphic the Boston Globe did based on the manifest they claimed to have obtained. Mind you, this is days after Sept. 11 and we're still wasting time on this red herring nine years later.
(This is as it was republished in Australia, so it's got a special category for the one Australian. RIP.)
Here are more such graphics and pictures of manifests as faxed to Terry McDermott:
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evid ... ngers.htmlUnfortunately that page still perpetuates the "living hijacker" red herring. (As though the masterminds of a covert operation would just pick a guy's name at random to to serve as patsy, without assuring he would die in the attack or was already dead.)
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