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Re: Larry Silverstein admitted WTC7 was "pulled" o

Postby slimmouse » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:53 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But of course, he doesn't specify what he means by "the government's ofiicial version".<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br> And what is your take on the "Govnts official version" ?<br><br> My interpretation, is that 19 Arabs with Boxcutters pulled off the crime of the Century, and in doing so, managed to "collapse" the only 3 SRC buildings in history due to heat buckling steel .<br><br> Perhaps you might explain, for the benefit of the observers on this board the Govnts "official position" on this .<br><br> Or do they not actually have one ? In which case, shouldnt a reasonable question be why not ?<br><br> I love discussions like this. I play poker a lot you know. ( you should know after Veritas plamed me lol ). I love calling bluffers <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Calling his bluff

Postby greencrow0 » Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:03 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Perhaps you might explain, for the benefit of the observers on this board the Govnts "official position" on this .<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yes. Let's have Outb's rendition of the government's official version. I would love to hear it from him/her instead of always pulling a 'smoke and mirrors' around the positions of others.<br><br>Take a stand outb. We want to hear how all that steel, even 40 floors away from the impact....broke neatly into 30foot pieces. And how the government got away with carting off all the evidence to China. Isn't that a felony?<br><br>Waiting.<br><br>GC <p></p><i></i>
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calling our bluff?

Postby govt » Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:37 pm

Hey greencrow, it's only a felony if I say it is y'hear? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Calling his bluff

Postby Qutb » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:34 pm

Slimmouse and Greencrow - where to begin. I've stated my position on 9/11, in the controlled demolition thread, I think it's the last or one of the last pages. I don't see the point in repeating it. <br><br>I don't use the term "the government's official version", so I'm not the one who should explain what it refers to. Walter should specify which part he would like to see "proven", and which criteria he'd use to evaluate the "proof". I think NIST has shown beyond any reasonable doubt what caused the towers to collapse, and it doesn't involve explosive charges. So if that's what he means, he should give the money to NIST.<br><br>I've explained what I think about the "controlled demolition" theory quite extensively, and I don't see the point in repeating that either. I don't see what more could be said about it. <br><br>The 9/11 "Truth Movement" has been taken over by spooks and the extreme right, so why should it be something I'd want to support, in its present incarnation. It has been almost universally rejected by the left, and for good reason. And that's too bad, because it means <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>they</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> will get away with it, again. <p></p><i></i>
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Why Bother

Postby moustache » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:43 pm

You come over as really sad..........from a backgammon player.......<br><br>How many double sixes do you need...........!!! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Why Bother

Postby Qutb » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:47 pm

Hey, it's that Nazi guy again. Interesting to see you guys endorse the 9/11 Truth Movement. Controlled demolition is conventional wisdom over at Stormfront, isn't it? <br><br>Why bother, indeed. <p></p><i></i>
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Nazis and troopmovement

Postby rapt » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:53 pm

Face it qutb you have lost the battle. Go collect yr paycheck and waddle on to another enterprise where yr linguistic talents may pay better.<br><br>I'd suggest Amway. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Calling his bluff

Postby slimmouse » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:56 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The 9/11 "Truth Movement" has been taken over by spooks and the extreme right, so why should it be something I'd want to support, in its present incarnation. It has been almost universally rejected by the left, and for good reason. And that's too bad, because it means they will get away with it, again.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br> You know what QUTB - for once I agree with you 100%<br><br> Spooks, detraction merchants, out and out liars and shills. theyre out there in spades.<br><br> Hustling a living by betraying the rest of civilisation.<br><br> So. <br><br> Answer me in front of this board. ( as the 9/11 agnostic which you now confess to be). <br><br> The fact that youre agnostic is worrying me, but fair enough<br><br> What do you think about JWs stance ? <br><br> Remembering that JW is a guy who could relax and enjoy life forever , given his assetts ?<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 11/12/05 8:22 pm<br></i>
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Explosion Sounds and the World Trade Center - Twin Tower Col

Postby cortez » Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:08 pm

This guy has put allot of work into this, you can hear what sounds like a demolition explosion from at least two pieces of footage of the WTC<br><br>------------- <br><br>Explosion Sounds and the World Trade Center - Twin Tower Collapses<br><br>Version 1.23b<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/audio01.html">www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/audio01.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Part I<br>Introduction<br><br><br>Many witnesses to the collapse of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City describe at least 1 "explosion" at the time of the collapses. A few eye-witness accounts specifically describe 3 explosions at the initiation of the collapse, whilst others some describe a "crackling" sound. Many people describe hearing a "pop-pop-pop-pop..." or "bang-bang-bang-bang..." as the towers came down.<br><br>The reality of there being some kind of explosive events coinciding with the demise of each building, as reported by eye witnesses is well documented. However, any word of explosions essentially disappeared from mass-media reports of the the attacks very quickly and to this day are not part of the official narrative. Mainstream scientific attempts to describe the collapses as unforeseen catastrophic engineering failures (accidents) do not bother to take into account the widespread reports of explosions.<br><br>Though video clips of the collapses can be found all over the internet and on video releases, most people will not really hear evidence of explosions on the available footage. What most people would describe hearing from the available media is the "roar" of the buildings coming down. The main reason for this is probably because there is not much actual audio content available of the events. Most angles of the collapse were recorded from quite a distance away and were presented without any sound other than that of news anchors, reporters, and interviewees speaking over-top. It is the preferred style of news agencies to constantly have human voices "giving shape" to history as it unfolds.<br><br>Video footage which was shot very close to the towers as they came down is available and sometimes include audio. This audio does include evidence of explosions though it is not generally obvious for a number of reasons. Sounds of intense volume recorded at close distances will tend to overload and be distorted by the time they make it onto tape. If a very loud sound such as an explosion overloads the camera's sound circuitry and is followed very quickly by subsequent loud sounds, the individual sounds will be more difficult to identify because the shape of each sound, the attack and decay, will be masked as the audio circuits are completely saturated with signal. Results will vary depending on camera type, microphone type, specific settings, and proximity to the event. Some angles of the collapses are cut very short so they start playing only after the initiation of collapse sounds, perhaps because some videographers did not capture the first moments on tape or as a result of the news tending to only focus on the "juicy" bits in their presentations. Another problem with internet videos is that when there is sound, it is usually missing a lot of information and/or is distorted from various forms of data compression and/or sloppy transfers. Another problem with internet video in terms of close scrutiny can be audio which is encoded or played back slightly out of synch with the picture.<br>From listening to audio with evidence of explosions, it seem that the intense "roar" associated with the towers coming down actually begins before any signs of typical explosions occur. This would raise many more questions about the nature of the building collapses and what actually caused them to come down. The initial "roar"/"rumble" might have masked the initial sounds of explosions in audio recordings and even to the ears of witnesses to varying degrees.<br><br>The power of suggestion can have a very strong influence on what we think we are hearing and on what we remember hearing. Interpreting what we hear through audio playback equipment (and even in reality) will rely heavily on what our eyes see at the time and how the audio has been contextualized, pre-interpreted, and packaged for us. A dramatic example of this is how we can be made to hear hidden messages in songs which are played backwards; we will generally just hear nonsense in a backwards passage until someone points out to us what they want us to listen for, at which point we will hear what we are supposed to, clear as day, even though it may a vague, chance similarity. With this in mind, it is important to approach the evidence of audio recordings with very careful listening and analysis to try and be clear about what is actually there.<br><br>With all the known eyewitness testimonies and the fact that clear signs of explosions can be heard on the available material calls for a detailed audio forensic analysis to be made. This would best be done with the original, uncompressed recordings since audio data compression by its very nature removes a lot of information, such as masked frequencies. Knowing the exact equipment used (microphone types, settings, etc.) and the location of each camera would also be an important factor.<br><br>What follows is a basic analysis of some audio clips of the collapses, taken from video clips which are available on the internet and video release. Reasonable full-range speakers or full-range headphones should be preferred for listening as computer speakers tend to have quite a limited frequency range.<br><br><br>click images for larger file. embedded audio is mp4 format, click link for uncompressed.<br>The Trinity Church Clip<br><br><br>The first video is screen-marked "10:28am" and is a very brief clip of the south tower collapse, recorded close by from the south east next to Trinity Church1. Though less than 5 seconds long, this clip offers fairly high quality audio, the most pronounced sound being that of 2 gigantic explosions. They are unmistakable and sound like 2 violent thunder claps. <br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem1/watch.frame.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem1/wtc.2.demolitio.south.closeup.zoomout.avi">Link to Video</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br>this is the sound only from from the video above of the south tower .<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/wtc-south-tower.aif">audio link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>this is the sound from a demolition in detroit, the hudson building (pretty sure that&#65533;s what it is)<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/jhudson1.aif">audio link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/jlhudson.mpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>there is alot more <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/audio01.html">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/sonograms/weststreet3a.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Here is the Professor's paper copied from cryptome

Postby greencrow0 » Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:02 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html">www.physics.byu.edu/resea.../htm7.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I wonder if Outb has bothered to read it.<br><br>It is so compelling that I wonder why the police aren't arresting the Bush Administration perps on the basis of these 19 pages alone. I can hardly wait till he publically defends it.<br><br>This hopefully, will be the final nail in the coffin of the 'muslims in a cave' conspiracy theory. Finally the victims of 9/11 will get justice and the dangerous perpetrators....still in positions of highest authority....will get serious jailtime.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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cortez:

Postby Homeless Halo » Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:43 am

It WAS the Hudson's building. Downtown here, it was beautiful to watch it fall. I had great seats, and popcorn. <p></p><i></i>
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1000 words

Postby bamabecky » Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:37 am

You know what they say about a picture being worth 1000 words. In this case we have the video of WT7 coming down just like any <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>ole garden variety controlled demolition</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> and the words of Silverstein saying that they <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"pulled it". </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Logic tells you that if they pre-wired WT7 with explosives, then they pre-wired the towers too! Folks that can't connect the dots are pathetic.<br><br>We should not waste our precious time and energy arguing with pathetic rhetroic. These folks will be spewing these same tired ole arguments 25 years from now <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>or</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--> they are paid handsomely <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>to foil this discussion</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. Find people with good <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>critical thinking skills</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. Make copies of the non-copyrighted DVD's, radio broadcasts, and handouts; then spread this around locally. Purchase multiple copies of Griffin and Tarpley and give them away. These are all things that I have done. Spread light in the darkness, and laugh at the "<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>light benders</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->"; otherwise they "got cha".<br><br>Bama <p>Be the Media! Write a personal essay to your friends and family, telling them what's going on and tell them how and where to find more info.</p><i></i>
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Re: Good luck

Postby Qutb » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:14 am

Good luck. Because, by seducing the "Truth Movement" into espousing this theory as their "smoking gun" evidence and the centerpiece of their case, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>they</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> have already won. <p></p><i></i>
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would you..

Postby michael meiring » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:38 am

Qutb,<br><br><br>quote<br>------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br>If Mike Rivero told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it? <br><br><br>------------------------------------------------------<br><br>answer, of course not, if you cannot even deduce that what does that say about your investigative acumen?<br><br>by the way, if the government paycheck boys told you to repeat a pancake and syrup wacko theory every day, from some government sponsored paychecked organisation, for example NIST, would you repeat it?<br><br>then again your the one saying a piece of debris caused a 47 stoery building to fall symmetrically in 6.5 seconds, along with changing pull the building for evacuating the building, your words are down and it seems more and more posters are calling your bluffs down, and your being caught red handed with your fingers in the pot.<br><br>You even say you think it 'was the arabs'? may i enquire how you come to this halluncinated conspiracy theory?<br><br>why should jimmy give a million to NIST? have you completely lost your marbles? or are you another one of these NIST people repeating their government ordered mantras and doctrines on forums?<br><br><br>As you seem to like to slander people with the word nazi, i see your at it again? one wonders why you are so qiet on the nazis shipped of to the usa to work and promote the nazism they have exported to the rest of the world? hmmmm i wonder why?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Red Herrings

Postby proldic » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:42 am

Q - This is such a weird thread. I'm still interested in exploring the implications of the PBS episode w/ Silverstein. I'm thinking this shows their (Public Broadcasting's) involvement in generating this line of inquiry, no?<br>Also how do you feel about discussing with the consciousness that 'they' have been purposefully encouraging CD? What would the implications be, specifically in regards to 'evidence'?<br>pm if you want.<br> <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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