A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby Fresno_Layshaft » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:19 am

82_28 wrote:
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82_28 wrote:Not saying it's going to happen, but nobody COMMEND me please for seeing through my own act of selfishness.

Don't say 82_28 you're noble and blah blah blah -- not saying anyone will. I just wanted to share an emotion due to an act of stupidity. And it has been on my mind. There are no three cheers for me. If anything, someone go into how the fabric of the universe can warn you of shit sometimes when it knows your overall karma. I'm a good person, I think. I think my soul is as pure as it can get -- impure, but still striving or something. But I did something awful and something within me reacted with horror once the act was consummated and I could not carry on and had to use all of my intellect to back the fuck out of it and make sure no one got hurt by my stupid idea.


Only a total fucking asshole would try and "scam" (steal from, actually) families going to see fireworks. You are an asshole. Regardless of your change of heart. Your soul ain't pure.


Hahaha! They aren't families for one. I also can't drive my car up to say, the store on days like the day I recounted. Why? Well, cos I won't have no parking spot when I get back. And so, lest I be banned, you're a fucking dick and I'm not. Fuck you Fresno. It was a fucking IDEA! I knew it was horrible. All the other lots around here are doing it and I said WHY THE FUCK NOT!?!?!? That's it and that's all and this household is in the hole. I fixed it. I recanted. I am not in the fucking business of fucking anybody over and obviously I never ever would. I just saw an opportunity. I work for a motherfucking company that looks for reasons to make a buck and I thought I would try it what they do and I hate those fuckers. It was shady. And you know, as I said, I am fucking glad I experienced it. Fuck you, asshole. You're a bigger asshole than me -- I would literally give you the motherfucking shirt off my back. Don't ever call me a name -- especially when I am trying to make a point about how I WAS THE IDIOT IN THE CASE I DIVULGED TO COMPLETE STARNGERS. Fuck you two ways to Sunday. Nobody has ever pissed me off on this board before, but you did it Mr. Layshaft.

Can someone just lock this thread? Delete it? This was not the fucking response I wanted or expected. I know it's the wild and wooly Internet, but I just can't handle this kind of depressing discord.

You have seriously bummed me out Fresno. I love this place and I fucking love motherfucking god's green earth and all of her inhabitants like you wouldn't believe. Don't ever call me an asshole, seriously, when I or one that exists on this planet admits that they were wrong. Don't EVER call me an asshole! Got it? This is my penance and I wanted to share with the other assholes on this board.

So fuck you and this asshole that wants to rip off innocent families wants to say he still loves you. But fuck you still. Lay off, Layshaft.



Don't worry man, I know you're just angry with yourself. I'm just puzzled as to why you would come on here an brag about your "scam" and then expect to be received as a hero just because you felt bad about it. I don't really think you were entirely clear on expressing what you were actually doing either, but peppering it with the word 'scam' didn't help your cause. There's a little bit of difference between a "scam" and gauging people for parking (only a little though).

But don't pretend your little scam was some sort of spiritual enlightenment, because when you do something wrong, you're supposed to feel like shit- its not a big deal, thats normal.

Anyway, cheer up man. Its not the end of the world. The Gulf thing, that might be the end of the world.
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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby 82_28 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:42 am

I'm cheery. I just PMed you Mr. Layshaft.

No big deal and no harm done. Fuck you still though.

Apparently I always have to get the last word in.

Thanks for moving this fellas! That was about to be a train wreck.
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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby 82_28 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:03 am

Fresno_Layshaft wrote:
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Fresno_Layshaft wrote:
82_28 wrote:Not saying it's going to happen, but nobody COMMEND me please for seeing through my own act of selfishness.

Don't say 82_28 you're noble and blah blah blah -- not saying anyone will. I just wanted to share an emotion due to an act of stupidity. And it has been on my mind. There are no three cheers for me. If anything, someone go into how the fabric of the universe can warn you of shit sometimes when it knows your overall karma. I'm a good person, I think. I think my soul is as pure as it can get -- impure, but still striving or something. But I did something awful and something within me reacted with horror once the act was consummated and I could not carry on and had to use all of my intellect to back the fuck out of it and make sure no one got hurt by my stupid idea.


Only a total fucking asshole would try and "scam" (steal from, actually) families going to see fireworks. You are an asshole. Regardless of your change of heart. Your soul ain't pure.


Hahaha! They aren't families for one. I also can't drive my car up to say, the store on days like the day I recounted. Why? Well, cos I won't have no parking spot when I get back. And so, lest I be banned, you're a fucking dick and I'm not. Fuck you Fresno. It was a fucking IDEA! I knew it was horrible. All the other lots around here are doing it and I said WHY THE FUCK NOT!?!?!? That's it and that's all and this household is in the hole. I fixed it. I recanted. I am not in the fucking business of fucking anybody over and obviously I never ever would. I just saw an opportunity. I work for a motherfucking company that looks for reasons to make a buck and I thought I would try it what they do and I hate those fuckers. It was shady. And you know, as I said, I am fucking glad I experienced it. Fuck you, asshole. You're a bigger asshole than me -- I would literally give you the motherfucking shirt off my back. Don't ever call me a name -- especially when I am trying to make a point about how I WAS THE IDIOT IN THE CASE I DIVULGED TO COMPLETE STARNGERS. Fuck you two ways to Sunday. Nobody has ever pissed me off on this board before, but you did it Mr. Layshaft.

Can someone just lock this thread? Delete it? This was not the fucking response I wanted or expected. I know it's the wild and wooly Internet, but I just can't handle this kind of depressing discord.

You have seriously bummed me out Fresno. I love this place and I fucking love motherfucking god's green earth and all of her inhabitants like you wouldn't believe. Don't ever call me an asshole, seriously, when I or one that exists on this planet admits that they were wrong. Don't EVER call me an asshole! Got it? This is my penance and I wanted to share with the other assholes on this board.

So fuck you and this asshole that wants to rip off innocent families wants to say he still loves you. But fuck you still. Lay off, Layshaft.



Don't worry man, I know you're just angry with yourself. I'm just puzzled as to why you would come on here an brag about your "scam" and then expect to be received as a hero just because you felt bad about it. I don't really think you were entirely clear on expressing what you were actually doing either, but peppering it with the word 'scam' didn't help your cause. There's a little bit of difference between a "scam" and gauging people for parking (only a little though).

But don't pretend your little scam was some sort of spiritual enlightenment, because when you do something wrong, you're supposed to feel like shit- its not a big deal, thats normal.

Anyway, cheer up man. Its not the end of the world. The Gulf thing, that might be the end of the world.


Oh. And just for the hell of it, let me reply to the accusation of bragging.

HARDLY!

I was sharing an experience in which I happened to wind up feeling awful about and that seemed to be a topic that could gain some traction at RI and also be self-deprecatingly humiliating as well. However that was not my intent. The experience was what I was going after. Had I written it in the 3rd person, you would have never even known the difference and this thread movement to the lounge wouldn't have even happened. But because I was speaking from a personal experience to a board that I largely trust and absolutely respect, I opted to give it my personal touch, as in the 1st person. If you knew me personally, I do not brag. In fact, more often than not, I self-deprecate. It's part of my sense of humor that ain't worth a shit anyhow. Maybe it's a passive way of bragging. I don't know.

But I'm cheery enough and yes I am worried about this planet and all there is. I just don't need to be called an asshole nor do I want to be commended for something I require nor deserve any commending for when all I was doing was making a commentary on how easy it is to scam people and how I figured it out right quick and that as for myself, I discovered that of course, I cannot do it!

It's a party atmosphere down here on the 4th and it kinda just takes you away. It's basically why I started that fireworks thread as well. I just feel the stupidity come over me once I hear those explosions. It makes me feel like a punk ass kid again. And honestly it's just a fun feeling of youth. However, I have that conscience of mine and this is what I was remarking on and hardly "bragging" about.
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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:03 am

Least you had a calm pleasant fourth.

My fourth of july was spent trying to get out of a parking nightmare, surrounded by dozens of gangbanger car types blaring their loud rap and trying to intimidate. Lo and behold there was a drive by a few blocks away, and I was pleased as punch to finally get out of there. (serves me right for going to see fireworks in an area plagued by gang shootings and drive bys)

As for money, it sickens me how worthless paper backed on nothing can rile up so much despair, headache, suicides, killings, and strife. I hate money. I max out cards with no intention to pay now days, and just try and live simple and try and eat healthy and not be bound to too much materialism. I say thanks for sharing your story, because we all have reminders of being human with a strong moral compass.
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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby 82_28 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:46 pm

Yeah. I hate money too. I really wish I could do without it. I wish it never existed at all. I get really jealous of animals and plants sometimes -- actually all the time. As I go to work, I can see birds flying around and squirrels scurrying here and there -- but I have to go to work, to keep my end up on the bargain I didn't make in the first place. I didn't ask to be born, yet here I am, with this brain. Existence, as not odd as it is, is the strangest thing.
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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby §ê¢rꆧ » Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:06 pm

I think you are are on to something ... that's how the big-time operators operate, by selling the right to use something that is not *really* theirs in the first place. Glad you didn't go thru with it though, that's a pretty lowly traveller scam. Save your scamming genius for corporations! :evilgrin001:
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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby norton ash » Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:27 pm

Every grafter knows it's the greedy ones you work.
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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby DrVolin » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:04 pm

http://www.welovebristol.com/bristol-at ... ndant-myth


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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:03 pm

82_28 wrote:Yeah. I hate money too. I really wish I could do without it. I wish it never existed at all. I get really jealous of animals and plants sometimes -- actually all the time. As I go to work, I can see birds flying around and squirrels scurrying here and there -- but I have to go to work, to keep my end up on the bargain I didn't make in the first place. I didn't ask to be born, yet here I am, with this brain. Existence, as not odd as it is, is the strangest thing.



Well you come from a secure mature place, often when I hear the "I didnt ask to be born" thought it comes from youth going through serious emotional issues or depression. I joke that it was fortold that I was to be born, half jokingly to counter act such negativity. I feel hey, Im given a rare one in a centillion^938092790389 chance of existing, and by golly I realize I need to make the most of it and reach for even my most wildest positive aspirations and dreams. Im not religious, I wouldnt place bets on an afterlife or reincarnation nor would even care about such things. Just the here and now. However, I no longer say "everything happens for a reason" except for my own path(as I dont want to say someone's financee dying from a freak lighting strike is meant to be)

Have you seen the movie Waking Life? I think that film resonates so strongly for me is Ive often felt many of the ideas expressed there...as wlel as life having so much routine in it, that you begin to forget how to mark time
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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby compared2what? » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:13 pm

norton ash wrote:Every grafter knows it's the greedy ones you work.


True that. Except for what might be a typo. But English being a rich language, "grafter" actually works as well as (if not better than) grifter.

But yeah, QFT, norton ash. From a con artist's perspective, there's no mark more perfect than the man who doesn't mind doing something a little shady for $20. Or $10. Or $5. Or $20 million.

Starting with three-card monte and going all the way up to derivatives trading, there's no hustle that would work if there weren't people who had no problem earning money for nothing by -- in essence -- taking it away from people they saw as fair game.

Same principle applies to human life wrt the death penalty, torturing prisoners to death, enemy casualties of war, and many, many other categories of sanctioned killing, as a matter of fact. And quality of life, too -- wrt segregation, ghettoization, blockading, and blah, blah, blah -- as a matter of fact.
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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby Nordic » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:36 pm

I just showed the movie "House of Games" to my stepdaughter a couple weeks ago. She's interested in such things right now. It's pretty great, probably my favorite Mamet movie. It's a great little course in con games.

Then there's "The Grifters" if you want a really depressing show. Maybe a double feature with "House of Sand and Fog" and a loaded pistol.
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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby norton ash » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:10 pm

norton ash wrote:
Every grafter knows it's the greedy ones you work.


It was a typo, and an interesting slip, because I've never actually grifted, but I might have kinda known some people who might have sorta grafted.

(Just give me the renewal fee now, in cash, and the inspector can see the place today. Tell him Joe's already got your paperwork.)
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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby nathan28 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:10 pm

§ê¢rꆧ wrote:I think you are are on to something ... that's how the big-time operators operate, by selling the right to use something that is not *really* theirs in the first place. Glad you didn't go thru with it though, that's a pretty lowly traveller scam. Save your scamming genius for corporations! :evilgrin001:



I don't know why I can't bring myself to pull off one of these. Like this dude:

old dude sells some pretty cool magnet gear, actually

Scam Treatise 001: Alternahealth

Shame is, dude has a bunch of fanboys all over the internet, just like the Speed Seduction people. Motherfucker is so shameless he bought the top search result for his name with "scam" added to the end. Anyway here's my three-step speed seduction technique, TOTALLY FREE, if you act now:

1. Go to bar frequented by single men/women
2. Keep drinking. Use stimulants in bathroom if necessary/desired
3. Make eye contact with attractive individual, see if he/she shows continued interest
4. Introduce yourself ("hi"--no lines)

Oh shit, I put in the secret fourth step. That'll be $1500.

It's not b/c I have a conscience, that's for sure, not in this regard. Seriously. It's more one of those things were I feel like my energy is better directed towards more boring goals. I mean, I could book $500/day Dale Carnegie meets L. Ron Hubbard scenarios. I'm not above it, and I'm pretty good at faking shit like that. And to be honest, if you've ever worked in any support capacity at a legit conference run by a legit organization that provides an actual service besides selling services that sell services about marketing products that are about marketing SEO4TW4EVR!!11!11 etc; you know that the legit organizations aren't really provided anything that much better than the charlatans, just charging a shitload and not getting criticized by people like me.

I actually felt bad about it for a while. Then, suddenly, I realized: I'm making more money at a soulless, square corporate job than these snake-oil salesmen are, and definitely making more than their fanboy friends. I'm not now (see "boring goals," like education and a stable home life, above)--but I was.

That was kind of it. Walls in my mind came crashing down. I realized these people only seemed authoritative b/c they had -.com after their names. They found a legion of supporters b/c people really want hope. Their supporters found affirmations in the constant, never-ending way that the word "marketing" gets thrown around in the United States, because we make so little shit besides RFPs anymore, and even worse, on the internet, where you're not "unemployed," you're a "design professional". And they all want to believe that a vibration machine will have the same impact on their health as doing vomit-inducing Tabata intervals. They want to believe that negative thinking, not a toxic and despoiled planet, not a lifetime of abuse, not the jury-rigged-by-evolution nature of the immune system, cause cancer. They want to believe that spending $1200 to learn how to make money will cause money to appear when really all the advice in that regard is freely available.

And more than that what they need most is community. Not a leader necessarily, but having a central organizer helps. They want to have conferences where they can share eccentricities openly, where they can talk about "creating their own reality through intention" and be taken seriously. They want to hear that the best way to get rich isn't to start a bank, they want to know that they don't need a JD or an MBA to earn more, just positive thinking.

But let's get back to fucking reality. Not Snakeoilland Reality, where the charlatans come to believe they have a sanctified mission to bilk people. Dude at the link really believes he has a mission to teach people that it's okay to charge $1200 for a seminar b/c it's part of the eternal flow of universal energy (some old dude talked about "universal equivalent," but I can't remember who it was right now and why it sounds suspiciously familiar). That's Snakeoilland Reality. In really-existing reality, resources are distributed according to wealth and wealth happens to be a limited resource currently tied, 100%, completely and intimately, with debt--i.e., with an agreement that the productive factor of your labor that you do retain will go to line someone else's pocket. Doesn't matter what end you receive--every bill is debt-backed, and all debt is a claim to the product of someone else's work.

In other words, Snakeoilland is really half-asleep. Deepak Chopra can talk about "exchange" being "universal" but what I'll say is exchange carries the whip of market discipline and will not hesitate to use it. That's the real thing going on there. The charlatans and their followers are the true believers in a kindler, gentler world--one not borne out by evidence. I know people whose net worth has depreciated 60% in a few days and who have never recovered financially. It's not negative thoughts they have about money, or their conscious that puts them there--it's just the way the fucking thing works. It's got teeth.

So maybe this is a long way of saying--I can't fake it. Come to my $20,000 wealth seminar, and on day one, I'll show you a couple slides of car wrecks, of amputees who don't go on to win marathons and of traders collapsing on exchange floors. Not as a scared straight deal. As an attempt to lift the veil. There's no fucking secret. Look at what really happens. Look at it. Go out and pull off a Scarface-style ascent. Maybe you'll start an empire and live in hot-tubs--maybe you'll run into someone's chainsaw. That's my wealth secret. I could tell you to balance your budget, live beneath your means, calculate your risk tolerance, go to law school, get a job in weapon sales. I could tell you that the wealthiest people around today are computer geeks, and they came from wealthy families to start, and had easily nearly all the heavy work of their industries done on the taxpayer's dime by the military. I could tell you that the famous robber barons got rich off insider trading and even admitted as much explicitly. I could tell you that I have more respect for those white collar criminals who at least have the intestitinal fortitude to break the law when the swindle people, as opposed to the purveyors of quackery who only ask that people submit their health and wallets to inefficacious, often-toxic treatments and to miracle chemtrails cures. I could tell you that if you can come up with some retarded, simple-minded platitudes, and wrap it up in a brightly-colored but non-threatening wrapper full of other platitudes about health and mind-cure and all sorts of bullshit that is so culturally-bound, not "universal," that it'd get you laughed out of most of the world if not outright flogged, that people would pay you for it.

But you already know all that. You might want your $20,000 back. Look at me, I'm being negative right now. I should go start a website devoted to soliciting money for no real value or service, rather than complain about it. But you know the other reason?

How long would it take to code this shit? Eight hours? Ten? Four of testing across browsers and platforms? A couple phone calls etc.? How long would that all take? Twenty hours? Factor by 2, then by 2 again. Eighty? Two week's work? That's a couple weekends. A month at four hours a day on weekdays. Easy, right? You know what? There's more important things out there. And by more important, I mean, things like mowing the lawn. Fixing the car motor. Putting flea repellent on the cats. Looking at old photographs. Getting stoned. Working a real job.

Or it might just be that I can't find a scam that resolves well with my aesthetic. Fatback Extract to Cure Morgellon's and TI? Amphetamine-manufacturing time-travelling robots that conjure up alien abduction dreams that rescue kittens from the pound?

But life is hard. If you can't get a helmet, you can wrap yourself in the cotton candy of confusionism.

Maybe I can post this to a blog. "Learn the Top Three Secrets of Spotting a Scam for Just $99.49! The million-dollar secrets professionals use that can save you thousands for the cost of less than a family outing at a nice restaurant!" and then coat the page in a layer of Russian-mob-run bot-net scripts to spread rootkits that only target Mac ("What's a rootkid? Is that like Garage Band?")
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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby Nordic » Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:22 am

I've always thought the best scam would be to start a religion, but then I'd have to be constantly surrounded by people that I could not stand, and that would actually be hell on earth regardless of how much money the suckers were parted from.
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Re: A confession about a scam I almost pulled off last night

Postby compared2what? » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:53 am

Nordic wrote:I just showed the movie "House of Games" to my stepdaughter a couple weeks ago. She's interested in such things right now. It's pretty great, probably my favorite Mamet movie. It's a great little course in con games.

Then there's "The Grifters" if you want a really depressing show. Maybe a double feature with "House of Sand and Fog" and a loaded pistol.


Oh, I love that movie to pieces. (I mean House of Games, although The Grifters is okay too, I guess.) And...Hey! If your stepdaughter is interested in such things right now, I highly recommend:

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Although it doesn't have that cover anymore, tragically. But it's still a classic. So here it is on Amazon in its current incarnation.

And here is an excerpt from wiki on its absolutely charmingly lucid author, David Maurer:

    David Warren Maurer (1906-1981) was a professor of linguistics at the University of Louisville from 1937 to 1972, and an author of numerous studies of the language of the American underworld.

    Maurer received a doctorate from the Ohio State University in Comparative Literature in 1935. He spent much of his academic career studying the language of criminals, drug addicts, and other marginal subcultures.


    -snip-

    The Big Con is Maurer's most popular and perhaps most important book. It was originally published in 1940 by Bobbs-Merrill. The source material for it came from Maurer corresponding, interviewing, and informally chatting with hundreds of underworld denizens during the 1930s. Among the interviewed criminals were such figures as Joseph "The Yellow Kid" Weil, Charles Gondorff and Limehouse Chappie. Maurer won the trust of hundreds of grifters, who let him in on their language and their methods. The book served as a source for the film The Sting.

It just couldn't be more perfect for her, basically. It's fun! And educamational! And the kind of book that I'd imagine makes a person want to keep reading books if he or she encounters it at the right age. Which probably means that person will go on to spend a whole lifetime being annoyed with 90-plus percent of the books he or she reads for just not being as good as they could be, like The Big Con is, granted.

But still. There are worse fates.
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