'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:21 pm

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Hugo Farnsworth » Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:00 am

Iamwhomiam wrote:Hugo, your rigor is waning... Petrobras is in bed with Chevron, who now owns Texaco, and I'm sure you are aware of Texaco's seriously negative impact upon the Amazon.

They are all members of the same dirty club and share the same bed, pigs that they are.

http://www.chevron.com/search/?k=Petrobras&text=petrobras&Header=FromHeader&ct=All%20Types


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Chevron got more than they bargained for when they acquired Texaco, a company with an unenviable record of pollution and high impact (the American BP).
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby ninakat » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:03 pm

Toxicologist: Shrimpers exposed to oil/Corexit mix suffered bleeding from rectum

By Stephen C. Webster
Saturday, July 10th, 2010 -- 2:23 pm

Shrimpers who were exposed to a mixture of oil and Corexit dispersant in the Gulf of Mexico suffered severe symptoms such as muscle spasms, heart palpitations, headaches that last for weeks and bleeding from the rectum, according to a marine toxicologist who spoke issued the warning Friday on cable news network.

Dr. Susan Shaw, founder and director of the Marine Environmental Research Institute, described the symptoms during a CNN broadcast on Friday. Dr. Shaw said that after personally diving the oil spill herself, which she'd chronicled in a widely-publicized essay in late May, a "very fiery soar throat" plagued her after inhaling the fumes.

She specified that stories shrimpers had told her were from when BP was deploying "the more toxic" Corexit 9527. BP has allegedly switched to Corexit 9500.

The company responsible for producing the various Corexit formulas is Nalco, Co., which was created by former members of the boards of directors at BP and Exxon. Their product is essentially by the oil industry, for the oil industry. That's why, even in the face of an alternative like Dispersit which is half as toxic as Corexit, Nalco's product is still in much greater supply.

Dr. Shaw offered a stark analysis of Corexit 9500 in her piece for The New York Times.

"Though all dispersants are potentially dangerous when applied in such volumes, Corexit [9500] is particularly toxic," she wrote. "It contains petroleum solvents and a chemical that, when ingested, ruptures red blood cells and causes internal bleeding. It is also bioaccumulative, meaning its concentration intensifies as it moves up the food chain."

The EPA lists Corexit 9500 "useful on oil spills in salt water" and prescribes an application of "2 to 10 U.S. gallons per acre". They further say that Corexit 9500 will "biodegrade."

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Nordic » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:08 pm

You mean when you give up your family's business and go to work for a leading multinational corporation, you end up bleeding from the rectum?

Whoda thunk?
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby undead » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:01 am

Nordic wrote:You mean when you give up your family's business and go to work for a leading multinational corporation, you end up bleeding from the rectum?

Whoda thunk?


This is also a side effect of antipsychotic and "mood stabilizer" drugs when they are prescribed in massive amounts. Just one on the absurdly long list that includes diabetes and tardive dyskinesia. Most of the people on these drugs are too fucked up to even realize. The mass poisoning is not really that surprising when you consider that people have already been conditioned to poison themselves en masse.

Anybody want to guess what BP will suggest to cleanup workers experiencing depression, anger, and anxiousness?

Oil spill's psychological toll quietly mounts

NEW ORLEANS – The Gulf of Mexico oil disaster feels far worse to shrimper Ricky Robin than Katrina, even though he's still haunted by memories of riding out the hurricane on his trawler and of his father's suicide in the storm's aftermath.

The relentless spill is bringing back feelings that are far too familiar to Robin and others still dealing with the physical and emotional toll wrought by Katrina five years ago.

"I can't sleep at night. I find myself crying sometimes," said Robin, of Violet, a blue-collar community on the southeastern edge of the New Orleans suburbs, along the highway that hugs the levee on the Mississippi River's east bank nearly all the way to the Gulf.

Psychiatrists who treated people after Katrina and have held group sessions in oil spill-stricken areas say the symptoms showing up are much the same: Anger. Anxiety. Drinking. Depression. Suicidal thoughts.

"Everybody's acting strange," said Robin, 56. "Real angry, frustrated, stressed out, fighting brothers and sisters and mamas and family."

Fishing families, the backbone of the coastal economy, are especially hard-pressed as the waters that make up their livelihood are sporadically closed because of fears the oil will taint fish, oysters and shrimp.

Oil field workers, whose salaries are among the best the region can offer, worry about their industry's long-term future.

And there is still the rebuilding after Katrina, which in August 2005 devastated a swath from Louisiana to Alabama — almost as big as the area affected by the oil — killing more than 1,600 and forever changing the region's relationship with the water.

No one is fishing any more out of Zeke's Landing Marina in Orange Beach, Ala., though most charter boat captains are making some money pulling boom and doing other jobs in BP's cleanup program.

Looking at oil all day can be harder than staying home, said Joe Nash, a boat captain there. "Seeing everything that you've been used to for years kind of slowly going away from you, it's overwhelming," he said. "Because you can't do anything about it."

That helplessness, coupled with the uncertainty about what's going to happen with the spill and when the next check from BP PLC will arrive, leaves boat captain George Pfeiffer angry all the time.

"Our families want to know what's going on," said Pfeiffer, 55, who keeps two charter boats at Zeke's Landing. "When we get home, we're stressed out and tired, and they want answers and we don't have any."

His wife cries, a lot.

"I haven't slept. I've lost weight," said Yvonne Pfeiffer, 53. "My shoulders are in knots. The stress level has my shoulders up to my ears."

Social services agencies have not seen a significant increase in people seeking help since the spill began, but that doesn't mean the need isn't there, said Jeffrey Bennett, executive director of the Gulf Coast Mental Health Center in Gulfport, Miss., whose state saw oil wash up on the mainland for the first time Sunday.

"Unfortunately, the people most affected, shrimpers and fishermen, are not people who traditionally seek mental health services," Bennett said. "They're kind of tough characters, and look at being depressed or not being able to handle their own problems as weakness."

On Sunday evening, many in Alabama's coastal fishing community planned to attend services for a popular charter captain who committed suicide on his docked boat. Authorities had no way to know whether his death had anything to do with the spill, but they hoped it would move others to seek help.

John Ziegler, a spokesman for the Alabama Department of Mental Health, said no one had walked into counseling centers set up in fishing communities since the disaster. Then on Friday, two days after the captain's death, five people came in saying they needed help because of the spill.

As news of the captain's death spread east to Pensacola, Fla., Baptist Health Care's Lakeview Center publicized its 24-hour help line, and several calls about the spill came in the following day.

"People saying they were sad, they were angry, they were grieving, they have lost a lot," marketing director Tish Pennewill said. "Grandmothers talking about how they took the children to the beach for the summer and could no longer do that. People wondering if it was ever going to be the same."

Even people whose livelihoods aren't affected by the spill find themselves crying on beaches, like Nancy Salinas, who was on Pensacola Beach last week when Florida officials closed it because oil was washing up. "It just breaks your heart," she said. "I can't get my feet in the water."

Mental health professionals say it is too early to have reliable data to understand the full severity of stress issues spawned by the spill.

However, their work so far indicates the problem is taking root, and the backdrop of Katrina means it is likely to get worse. Tropical systems such as the one that swirled over the Yucatan Peninsula on Sunday won't help matters, even though it was forecast to bypass the spill.

"This is a second round of major trauma for children and families still recovering from Katrina. It represents uncharted territory," said Dr. Irwin Redlener, director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness at Columbia University and a member of the National Commission on Children and Disasters who has worked with Katrina survivors.

Dr. Howard Osofsky, chair of the psychiatry department at LSU Health Sciences Center, said focus groups he's monitored in spill-affected areas confirmed those emotions.

Ziegler, the Alabama mental health chief, said counselors have gone out to marinas, docks and other places frequented by fishermen and others affected by the spill.

"They've had folks break down and weep," he said. "They've had people share some of their deepest feelings about their future and how they're feeling now that things seem imminent."

In Mississippi, Bennett's group is working with Catholic Social Services in Biloxi on a proposal to train people in fishing communities to work as "peer listeners" to try to identify people who might be having problems and encourage them to seek help.

The social and psychological toll on residents of the Gulf will last long after the oil is cleaned up, say veterans of the Exxon Valdez spill in 1989.

"Every day you're dealing with this thing," said John Calhoun, former mayor of Homer, whose community was devastated. "If you're not working on it, you're worrying about it. Frankly, they sold a lot of alcohol during this time. I saw some of the toughest guys I know break down in tears because the stress had gotten to them."

Michael Herz, who served on the commission that investigated Alaska's spill, visited the Gulf and said it was like seeing it all over again, only worse.

"It took away livelihoods and it split families," he said. "Some members of family took money from Exxon and others were so upset they didn't. The rate of mental health, spousal abuse, alcoholism all skyrocketed."

Robin, the Louisiana shrimper, fears the spill will have similar effects on himself and his neighbors.

"This is a slow-moving hurricane," he said. "You're looking at it, and you can't do nothing about it."
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:17 am

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby ninakat » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:08 pm

DYEW, that is one hideous photo.

And in the Big Phucking surprise department:

BP ‘cuts payments to 40,000′ over incomplete claims forms
By Raw Story
Sunday, July 11th, 2010 -- 11:53 am

BP plans to cut payments to some 40,000 oil-spill claimants, potentially making life more difficult for individuals and businesses affected by the Gulf oil spill, a Louisiana official has said.

The Associated Press reports that Louisiana's secretary for children and family services, Kristy Nichols, found "a significant cut in daily payments" during a recent review of claims against BP, which appears to be related to incomplete forms.

In a letter to Ken Feinberg, the federal administrator of the oil spill claims process, Nichols wrote that it was "rash" of BP to cut payments to 40,000 of the 99,000 claims filed so far.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 82_28 » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:20 pm

ninakat wrote:DYEW, that is one hideous photo.

And in the Big Phucking surprise department:

BP ‘cuts payments to 40,000′ over incomplete claims forms
By Raw Story
Sunday, July 11th, 2010 -- 11:53 am

BP plans to cut payments to some 40,000 oil-spill claimants, potentially making life more difficult for individuals and businesses affected by the Gulf oil spill, a Louisiana official has said.

The Associated Press reports that Louisiana's secretary for children and family services, Kristy Nichols, found "a significant cut in daily payments" during a recent review of claims against BP, which appears to be related to incomplete forms.

In a letter to Ken Feinberg, the federal administrator of the oil spill claims process, Nichols wrote that it was "rash" of BP to cut payments to 40,000 of the 99,000 claims filed so far.

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Ah. I was wondering when they were going to finally roll out the workaday bureaucracy to compliment their deed. At least they're creating jobs in call centers that employees can drive to and further drive down the community spirit in and of this land. Hand well played. Well played.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:37 pm

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Edit: Spoke to soon. I was looking at the wrong part. It's still spewing.


Looks like they've got the new cap on.

For the first time, I don't see any OIL coming out!

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby justdrew » Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:05 pm

t-an wrote:http://beforeitsnews.com/news/97/121/U.S._Navy_EVACUATES_Gulf.html


well, it looks like we have indeed invaded Costa Rica. WTF?!?!
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0711/anger-costa-rica-deal-invite-us-warships/
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:11 pm

Wanted: Some Journalists With Guts to Take on the Government and BP!
Fri, 07/09/2010 - 16:30 — Anonymous
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The Obama administration and BP have clearly been conspiring to hide the magnitude of the Gulf oil catastrophe from the public. One way they're doing this is by threatening jail terms and $40,000 fines against those who go to document the fiasco.

That is ridiculous. There is not a conceivable justification for banning the media from fully covering this environmental disaster.

It's close-up images of the BP fiasco like this that BP and the government don't want you to see

It’s not a safety issue. It’s not even an issue of reporters getting in the way: in many cases journalists have been barred from areas where nobody is doing anything, but dead sea creatures are piling up on the beach.

The answer to this effort to bury the story is for journalists, and especially photo journalists, to go enmasse to the Gulf and violate the ban. Go ahead. Get arrested in the hundreds, or at least dozens. Let's have a collective defense of the First Amendment! I cannot believe that people are letting this pass.

I mean for god's sake, CNN's Anderson Cooper ran a story on the ban. Why isn't he in jail right now for refusing to accede to it?

If the big media companies and their prettified "talent" won't put their bodies and their financial muscle on the line to break this official wall of silence, then individual journalists need to do it. (Maybe the corporate media airheads will at least cover the spectacle.)

The lethargy and quiescence of mainstream American journalists and their publishers in the face of this government clampdown on access to public land and critically important information regarding the extent of the Gulf oil disaster stands in stark and shameless contrast to Italy, where journalists have gone on strike, closing down most of the country’s newspapers and news bulletins, over government plans to restrict reporting based upon material gained from police wiretaps. In Italy, journalists clearly care about their right to information. In the US, all the mainstream media drones want is a steady stream of press releases and official press briefings, and they’re happy.

For the record, if people will front us the air fare and a few hundred bucks for expenses to cover a couple days in New Orleans, the staff of ThisCantBeHappening! will be down on the beach with cameras and videocams ready to confront the censors. (We trust that there will be attorneys ready to defend us pro bono, and are looking into that now. We also hope there will be dozens of other like-minded journalists willing to stand with us and demand the right to enter disaster areas to report on what we find.) You can send contributions using the Paypal button on the right side of the homepage.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:16 pm

Just checking in. Its been a few days since I posted. Been trying to get a project done. This project involves dabbling in video editing. I use PSD & AI every day, but the learning curve on becoming operational with video is like a cliff.
I'm in application hell I guess.

They are definitely doing something major down there. The video I am seeing now shows the chapeau off, maybe 20 feet away from the volcano, with oil shooting out the pipe.
It appears lots of crap is coming out of the disconnected 'hat'.
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Nordic wrote:You mean when you give up your family's business and go to work for a leading multinational corporation, you end up bleeding from the rectum?

Whoda thunk?


Now thats funny stuff right there.

I didn't see the blimp story posted:
Navy Blimp Hovers Over Gulf On Oil Spill Duty
Blimp Looks For Oil, Distressed Wildlife

JAY REEVES, Associated Press Writer
POSTED: 2:44 pm CDT July 11, 2010
ORANGE BEACH, Ala. -- A Navy blimp has started looking for oil and distressed wildlife in the Gulf of Mexico.
The Coast Guard commander of the operation, Tony Lombardi, said Sunday that initial flights are over the coast of Alabama, but the missions will be expanded as needed and as the weather allows.
Observers are typically operating from an altitude of 300 to 500 feet in the 178-foot-long airship, which can come to an almost complete stop. Lombardi says the crew will radio directly to boats below when they see oil or wildlife that needs attention.

So far, the blimp has spotted problems with boom that needed repairs. It's operated by a Navy contractor and staffed by the Coast Guard.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:00 pm

Praying for the oil leak to stop
Posted: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 4:03 PM
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ELIOT KAMENITZ / THE TIMES PICAYUNE New Orleans Archbishop Gregory Aymond on Sunday, July 11, 2010 Sunday offered a special Mass at the national shrine of Our lady of Prompt Succor asking relief of the BP oil leak. In 1815 Ursuline nuns prayed to Our Lady of Prompt Succor to spare the city on the eve of the Battle of New Orleans which the Americans had on overwhelming victory. A statue of her is mounted above the alter.

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ELIOT KAMENITZ / THE TIMES PICAYUNE Third generation oyster fisherman Brandt Lafrance holds Eli and Kalais, two of his five children as New Orleans Archbishop Gregory Aymond on Sunday, July 11, 2010 in Pointe al la Hache conducts Mass at St. Thomas Catholic Church to invoke the intercession of Our Lady of Prompt Succor to protect the Gulf Coast from further affects of the oil leak and the region's recovery.

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ELIOT KAMENITZ / THE TIMES PICAYUNE People worship together as New Orleans Archbishop Gregory Aymond on Sunday, July 11, 2010 in Pointe al la Hache conducted Mass at St. Thomas Catholic Church and invoked the intercession of Our Lady of Prompt Succor to protect the Gulf Coast from further affects of the oil leak and the region's recovery.

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ELIOT KAMENITZ / THE TIMES PICAYUNE New Orleans Archbishop Gregory Aymond on Sunday in Pointe al la Hache conducted Mass at St. Thomas Catholic Church and invoked the intercession of Our Lady of Prompt Succor to protect the Gulf Coast from further affects of the oil leak and the region's recovery.

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ELIOT KAMENITZ / THE TIMES PICAYUNE Worshippers sing "Hail Mother of Prompt Succor. Make haste, help me, Thy child" during the processional hymn as New Orleans Archbishop Gregory Aymond on Sunday, July 11, 2010 Sunday offered a special Mass at the national shrine of Our lady of Prompt Succor asking relief of the BP oil leak. In 1815 Ursuline nuns prayed to Our Lady of Prompt Succor to spare the city on the eve of the Battle of New Orleans which the Americans had on overwhelming victory.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby nathan28 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:12 pm

LIFE ON EARTH TOTALLY FUCKING OVER


http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event

Ominous reports are leaking past the BP Gulf salvage operation news blackout that the disaster unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico may be about to reach biblical proportions.

251 million years ago a mammoth undersea methane bubble caused massive explosions, poisoned the atmosphere and destroyed more than 96 percent of all life on Earth. [1] Experts agree that what is known as the Permian extinction event was the greatest mass extinction event in the history of the world. [2]



55 million years later another methane bubble ruptured causing more mass extinctions during the Late Paleocene Thermal Maximum (LPTM).

The LPTM lasted 100,000 years.




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