CIA/Nazi/Corporate Links: Basis for Another Limited Hangout

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CIA/Nazi/Corporate Links: Basis for Another Limited Hangout

Postby Starman » Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:59 pm

A recent PBS documentary of the Auschwitz labour/death camp provides another unique opportunity to see a masterfully-executed PR Limited Hangout in-action, a mass-media bit of slick historical revisionism that 'cleverly' excises all mention of the more than 100 American corporations that benefitted from trading with and doing business with Nazi Germany during the 2nd World War -- and who were never held accountable for their treason and betrayal. It's hardly a surprise to find that Nazi ideas and ideology have been insiduously infecting American politics and economy through the merging of State and Corporate interests ala Fascism -- esp. given the CIA's historical ties to Nazi War Criminals, the CIA's establishment of intimate ties to Defense Contractors and cut-out front-businesses run by ex-Military personnel and retired spooks to do 'sensitive' Security, espionage, black-ops and intelligence work requiring plausable deniability or exemption from Congressional oversight (ie, Dyncorp, Air America).<br><br>Hardly surprising then too that the modern 'corporate' model reflects the same kind of conscienceless war-profiteering such businesses as IBM, AT&T, Ford, General Motors, and General Electric 'enjoyed' on both sides of the Axis/Allied divide. Ford made most of the medium-to-light duty trucks that was the backbone of the Nazi Army Transport system, while IBM provided information systems that improved the efficiency of 'managing' Germany's slave labourers.<br><br>The 'legacy' of such close cooperation can be seen in the US's adoption of ruthless, brutal policies during the Cold War, grossly distorting the true nature of an actual Communist threat in order to consolidate ever-greater economic power and international influence while militarizing Foreign Policy and provoking a wasteful Defense Industry and disasterous arms race, legitimizing ruinous, destructive wars and foreign interventions, neocolonial conquests and strategy of tension via false-flag terrorism -- Latin American Death Squads, alignment with Mafia and Organized Crime, arms and drug-smuggling to fund black-ops and a secret shadow government, directing Military Coups and sabotaging legitimate self-rule democracies, training legions of pro-US torturers and saddling nations with crippling debt to keep them poor and vulnerable to US control -- The whole sad, sorry-ass history of abuses and crimes and specious end-justifies-means bullshit that Corporate America and a corrupt plutocracy evaded all accountablity for, but absurdly, reacted with collective hysterical outrage when Ward Churchill accused the technocratic corps of modelling Adolf Eichmann.<br><br>The 'lesson' being?: How about -- If the shoe fits ... Then use 'em to kick your illegal-immigrant servant in the ass on his way to the store to buy you a pack of Camels (made by 11-year-old barefoot illiterate Turkish children working 6/14 hour days earning $3.00 US per week ...<br><br>Aieieiei;<br>Starman<br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :smokin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>***<br>Robert Lederman<br>CIA to Detail Cold War Ties to Former Nazis<br>Mon Feb 7, 2005 19:57<br>64.140.158.85<br> <br><br>Subject:<br>Update on CIA-Nazi file release and comments on PBS series Auschwitz<br>From: "Robert Lederman" robert.lederman@worldnet.att.net <br>Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:30:36 -0500<br><br>LA Times 2 7 05<br>CIA to Detail Cold War Ties to Former Nazis<br><br>WASHINGTON - The CIA (news - web sites), under pressure from Congress, has agreed in principle to release new documents detailing its ties to former<br>Nazis who aided U.S. Cold War espionage against the Soviet Union, officials said Sunday.<br><br>Facing demands for public testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee (news - web sites), CIA officials have conceded that records on former Nazis who have not been accused of war crimes, including members of the German SS, should be subject to the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act of 1998, the officials said.<br><br>"This means the information we thought would come out when we wrote the law will now come out," said Sen. Mike DeWine (news, bio, voting record) (R-Ohio), who co-wrote the disclosure legislation.<br><br>The CIA, which had no immediate comment, has released about 1.25 million pages of documents about Nazi war criminals in compliance with the disclosure act, which requires government agencies to divulge records of war<br>criminals to the Nazi War Crimes and Japanese Imperial Government Records Interagency Working Group.<br><br>The CIA had refused to disclose documents on former Nazis who had not been targeted as war criminals. Members of the working group and U.S. lawmakers<br>contend the law applies to any individual who belonged to an organization guilty of war crimes.<br><br>The records at issue include hundreds of thousands of pages of documents, including material on CIA dealings with former members of the Nazi party and the German SS, who joined the allied Cold War effort against the Soviet Union in Europe, congressional officials said.<br><br>The CIA's position changed last week after DeWine, who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee, demanded that CIA Director Porter J. Goss appear before the panel to provide a public explanation of his agency's refusal to<br>disclose the records.<br><br>DeWine is expected to seek a two-year extension for the working group, which had been scheduled to dissolve at the end of March. <br>--------------------------------------------------<br>RL comments<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/">www.pbs.org/auschwitz/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Having just watched PBS' Auschwitz: Inside the Nazi State I feel compelled to comment. It was a beautifully and sensitively made documentary, but did it cover<br>up more than it uncovered? <br><br>The premise of the series is that by educating the public about what Auschwitz was really about that future acts of genocide could be avoided. But how can the public understand what Auschwitz was really about with no <br>reference to:<br>1. Eugenics as a whole or the fact that eugenics (forcible population control by government)<br>began in the US and was far more advanced in the US than in Germany until the mid 1930's. Why omit the fact that eugenics-based ideas are behind many of the<br>policies of the Bush administration and were the essense of the Giuliani administration or that IG<br>Farben was broken up into pharmaceutical and chemical companies (many with direct Bush family connections) that are still poisoning millions of people worldwide with their products? The series extensively describes Dr. Mengeles' experiments as if they were the work of an isolated madman rather than what he was...a eugenics scientist funded by the Rockefellers.<br><br>2. The corporate ownership of Auschwitz. IG Farben is mentioned two or three times during the series as is the issue of the Auschwitz camp complex being a factory/industrial/slave labor complex. Yet, there is not a single mention of the fact that Rockefeller's Standard Oil was a half-owner; that the Dulles brothers were the IG Farben lawyers; that Presidents Roosevelt and Truman considered trying the Rockefellers as traitors,<br>that Prescott Bush and other Wall St bankers were the financiers of it or that the Bush family fortune<br>derived from funding Hitler and the Nazis.<br><br>The film also emphasizes how Auschwitz guards and average Germans profitted from looting the wealth of European Jews, yet makes no mention of the banks, insurance companies and corporations - many of them Fortune 500 companies today - which were the far bigger looters.<br><br>If one were to sue a car manufacturer for a defect would one place the ultimate liability on the factory workers who assembled the car or on the corporate owners who decided on a cost-risk based analysis to not correct safety defects? If one hires a hitman to commit a murder, is not the one doing the hiring as guilty as the<br>one actually committing the murder?<br><br>3. The series makes quite a point about thousands of SS members who participated in the Holocaust escaping punishment yet never once alludes to the fact that the US government imported thousands of these same SS officials to the US or that we are living in a police state modeled on their ideas.<br><br>Perhaps the reason PBS had to omit these things was that its top corporate patrons are the very corporate identities who brought us the Nazi Holocaust like Chase Bank, Standard Oil/Exxon, the Rockefeller Foundation etc.<br><br>Somebody spent millions to make a sanitized series on Auschwitz which will become the standard educational means of informing (misinforming) future Americans about this event yet completely omits mention of some of the most cupable parties. Can that have been an accident? (see LA Times article below) <br><br>The single best thing in the documentary is in the last few minutes when a former Auschwitz SS guard who feels he did nothing wrong nevertheless tells the world that Holocaust denial is a lie; that Auschwitz was really a death camp where millions were murdered. The<br>series is worthwhile for that one moment alone.<br><br>The real lesson of Auschwitz is that it was a model of corporate ideology that is increasingly being applied on a worldwide scale. Lower wages, cut health benefits,<br>poison the food supply, make water something people have to buy, decrease democracy while pretending to increase it, imprison minorities, use ID as a means to control population...in a sense we are living in a giant corporate Auschwitz.<br><br>The Bush administration is IG Farben 2005.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: CIA/Nazi/Corporate Links: Basis for Another Limited Hang

Postby robertdreed » Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:16 am

"The real lesson of Auschwitz is that it was a model of corporate ideology that is increasingly being applied on a worldwide scale."<br><br>I think it's a misnomer to call it an "ideology." I think "organized crime" is more accurate. <br><br>on another subject-<br><br>In some sense, it's tough to NOT do a "limited hangout." Who among us knows everything? <br><br>Take for instance the article above. They talk about Ford supplying the Nazis. But not GM. Ever read George Seldes? Ford and IT&T were the tip of the iceberg, so to speak.<br><br>But most everybody I read on-line seems to use the same 2 or 3 examples. I don't think that indicates "limited-hangout bias", at least as the result of intention. <br><br>It more tends to indicate to me how few people have read <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Facts And Fascism</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. <br><br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007DUZHI/qid=1122784412/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-2858035-7571217?v=glance&s=books&n=507846">www.amazon.com/exec/obido...s&n=507846</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 7/30/05 11:35 pm<br></i>
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Re: CIA/Nazi/Corporate Links: Basis for Another Limited Hang

Postby dbeach » Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:24 am

These are 2 threads from octafish whom is a fine historian of bushnazism...<br><br>The 2nd thread within the thread is from octafish who says the nazis won WW II and I would have to agree.. that increasingly it looks to be the Truth..<br><br>55 million died in WW II.<br><br><br> One can only imagine what the death count would be in WW III .. funny how many of the same families and their cabals are pushing in that direction<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4200507">www.democraticunderground...04x4200507</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4200507#4212006">www.democraticunderground...07#4212006</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Nazis won WW2?

Postby robertdreed » Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:38 am

I wouldn't say that. I'd say the War Conspiracy retrenched. And I'd be hesitant to call it "Nazi" in all respects. Maybe "Sociopath" is a more precise designation. Or even, perhaps, "Evil"...no psych jargon about it, a moral condition. The worst of depravity. Or perhaps "War Conspiracy" is simply the most accurate designation for the posited collusion of elites. <br><br>If there really is something like a War Conspriacy with unified aims in the West, the Second War was designed to capture Russia. It didn't. ( The German Fascists, and the international money behind them...if they had secured the oil fields of the Caucasus, and used them to build an industrial base...we're speaking of militarists who were on the verge of getting both ICBMs and atomic weapons...needless to say, I disagree with Justin Raimondo- and Pat Buchanan, and Gore Vidal -on their skepticism of the necessity of the US declaring war on Hitler. )<br><br>The War Conspiracy retrenched. <br><br>If such a conspiracy has survived, as a project dating from around the late 19th century, the era of Pike and Mazzini in Masonry... <br><br>The West finally got Russia, basically. In respect to control of natural resources, Russia owes its ass to Western-affiliated money these days. I'm less certain of how much of that is owned by the War Conspiracy.<br><br>If such a conspiracy still exists.<br><br>The 3rd World War plot possibility-if it exists- appears from the outset to have been deisigned against the Third World. The people of the tropics, and subtropics. A Malthusian Go game, designed to leave decent ordinary people, even in the First World, helpless to stop the juggernaut, or to do much of anything in their own time but witness it, like the historical commentators of old- Herodotus, Thucydides, Swift. Manipulating politics so as to leave even people in "free republics" ignorant or detached from the professional political class, their supposed "representatives."<br><br><br>If such a conspiracy exists. <br><br><br>As the origami shifts...<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Inferno o paradisio?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->.... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 7/30/05 10:53 pm<br></i>
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Re: Nazis won WW2?

Postby dbeach » Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:52 am

it may be more accurate to say that the Dulles bros invited the nazi intelligence into the US..then OSS under Operation Paperclip..this is further complicated by the presensce of nazi agents like prescott bush and his wall st affiliates who dealed openly until 1942 and secretly afterwords with the nazis...<br><br>ya nazi is an overly simplified term given the comlexities of the many factions involved in this alleged takeover of the planets assets by elite cabals.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Nazis won WW2?

Postby robertdreed » Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:00 am

Ever read <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Old Boys</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, by Burton Hersh? Hersh has a more nuanced portrait of the Dulleses than simply relegating them to being reptilian shape-shifters, so to speak. Not that Allen Dulles is painted as some sort of shining knight. Not even. ( Unlike Dulles offical biographers. )<br><br>(The weirdest vignette in any of the Dulles biographies I've read is the part where Dulles makes his wife go out in a rowboat while he's at the villa negotiating the Italian "secret surrender" with SS Gen. Wolff, et. al...she couldn't even be on the grounds. She got a bad sunburn, it seems, and always resented it.<br><br>What were they doing in there, that she had to stay out rowing round on a lake- I think it was Lake Lugano- in the hot sun all day? Most benign explanation- Gen. Wolff's insistence. Top secret negotiations. But Dulles should have handled it better. Too high, perhaps...<br><br>Hersh's included his personal take on Wolff in <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Old Boys</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, based on his research. Not a particularly positive portrait...(cough))<br><br>Another good book to read on the CIA is the one by Joseph Trento. Although when he gets to the part about his view of the Kennedy assassination, I don't think it will pass muster with those who make agreement with their views a litmus test.<br><br>I'd caution against dismissing the book because of that. Trento is often very tough on CIA leadership. As well as on Averell Harriman, and George Bush Sr. <br><br>Trento is <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>polite</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> in his criticisms of those two men. But I wouldn't say he's covering for them. I don't mean that kind of "polite." Read between the lines of what he's saying. And every once in a while he just drops it on you, with dry understatement. <br><br>Also, you don't find him carrying water for Agency practices like the Nazi recruitment or the impunity provided for the top levels of the illegal drug trade. It may quite possibly be a "limited hangout", but read it anyway... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 7/31/05 4:38 pm<br></i>
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Re: Nazis won WW2?

Postby dbeach » Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:07 am

'American Dynasty' by kevin Phillips lays out a similar outline of family Bush..kinda like ALWAYS near the crime but NEVER the indicted criminal..His book begs the qustuion and he asks it : why has family bush never been investiagted for these many coincidences ? being such a prominent family..including their history with DOD dating back to 1915 with Sam Bush..<br><br>Prescott bush was ordered to stop trading with fritz thyelson whom was considered the hitler bank roller..his company allegedly stopped dealing with thyelson in 1942..<br><br>never read "good boys" <p></p><i></i>
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books

Postby robertdreed » Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:10 am

The title is <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Old Boys</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->.<br><br>I recommend <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Facts And Fascism</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, too. <br><br>Still haven't read <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>American Dynasty</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->! It's been checked out. <br><br>Outta here, I've been fucking off on work. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 7/30/05 11:11 pm<br></i>
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re: Limited hangout examples ...

Postby Starman » Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:46 am

RobertReed:<br>Just a few quick observation/comments;<br><br>I guess you and I sure read the article and RL's comment differently. My comment, preceeding my sigfile, discussed the example of FoMoCo and IBM -- I could have mentioned Union Carbide's patent agreement or General Motors retooling for airplanes and artillery or AT&T's cornering the copper market -- but they were only examples in passing, and not the main topic of specific limited hangout. As I recall from various reading, there were about 100 American-based companies that did business with Nazi Germany immediately preceeeding the war or during some part of it. <br><br>The point of a limited hangout isn't about leaving-out what one doesn't know (which is what you were driving at--yes?) Of course we never know everything about a sufficiently complex issue of history. But the point is, what's left out and WHY -- WHOSE interests are served by excising uncomfortable, inconvenient details? The limited hangout distracts the audience from critical details and serves to white-wash or innoculate the topic, making it 'appropriate' for polite company and essentially sanitizing it.<br><br>In this, the RL comments to the article listed 3 main categories of how the PBS documentary on Auschwitz absolved major US corporations for their complicity with and benefitting from the camp, or in post-war reorganization linked to Auschwitz.<br><br>1. Eugenics which began in the US and was more advanced until the mid-30s; "... eugenics-based ideas are behind many of the policies of the Bush administration and were the essense of the Giuliani<br>administration or that IG Farben was broken up into pharmaceutical and chemical companies (many with direct Bush family connections) that are still poisoning<br>millions of people worldwide with their products? The series extensively describes Dr. Mengeles' experiments as if they were the work of an isolated madman rather than what he was...a eugenics scientist funded by the<br>Rockefellers."<br><br>2. "The corporate ownership of Auschwitz. IG Farben is mentioned two or three times during the series as is the issue of the Auschwitz camp complex being a factory/industrial/slave labor complex. Yet, there is not a single mention of the fact that Rockefeller's Standard Oil was a half-owner; that the Dulles brothers were the IG Farben lawyers; that Presidents Roosevelt and Truman considered trying the Rockefellers as traitors, <br>that Prescott Bush and other Wall St bankers were the financiers of it or that the Bush family fortune derived from funding Hitler and the Nazis.<br><br>"The film also emphasizes how Auschwitz guards and average Germans profitted from looting the wealth of European Jews, yet makes no mention of the banks, insurance companies and corporations - many of them Fortune 500 companies today - which were the far bigger looters."<br><br>3. "The series makes quite a point about thousands of SS members who participated in the Holocaust escaping punishment yet never once alludes to the fact that the US government imported thousands of these same SS officials to the US or that we are living in a police state modeled on their ideas."<br>**<br><br>In perhaps a partial explanation of how/why the PBS might have been compelled to ignore these critical details, RL suggests, "Perhaps the reason PBS had to omit these things was that its top corporate patrons are the very corporate identities who brought us the Nazi Holocaust like Chase Bank, Standard Oil/Exxon, the Rockefeller Foundation etc."<br><br>While I certainly agree that Auschwitz and the other prison-labour camps were complex forms of organized crime, among the most despicable and inhuman conceiveable, I think the point of it's 'lesson' as a model of a unique kind of corporate ideology is quite apt -- especially as a kind of feudal monopoly. Offshore sweatshops and third-world indentured servitudes (ie., share-cropping farms and brothels, mines, fishing fleets, prison-labour, raw-product drug-producers and drug-mules, and similiar contract-slave workers -- all reflect a key aspect of this kind of corporate-obligated, exclusive work-force peonage, increasingly seen in third-world contexts where extreme poverty and lack of collective bargaining unity have made workers vulnerable to and subject to disadvantaged, exploitove terms -- but also now more evident in the modern US workforce and resulting from Bush Inc. economic and outsorcing policies. The most extreme example of this is where illegal immigrants are readily taken-advantage of by unscrupulous farm managers or service/shop operators.<br><br>I see one evolutionary trait of corporations as moving towards a feudal monopolist system, where the facilities/offices are enclosed in a gated community with worker barracks and the homes/apartments of office workers/managers/elites -- controlling costs and maximizing profits. Recall, the Hudson's Bay Company was among the first corporations in the Americas.<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: Limited hangout examples ...

Postby robertdreed » Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:59 am

Good points Starman.<br><br>Personally, I think don't think that the documentary itself is guilty of the limited hangout. But that isn't to say that one isn't taking place. I doubt anyone would get very far on PBS with a documentary focussing specifically on the history of US corporations colluding with the Hitler regime, the postwar Latin American asset laundering, or Operation Paperclip and allied projects.<br><br> I don't anticipate seeing one on the History Channel, for that matter...I'm always willing to be surprised, though. <br><br>I think the term "neo-feudal" is entirely apt for much of world economics, these days. <br><br>Look, I mean it, bye...only 10 hours left on my shift. <p></p><i></i>
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