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Re: Documentation of what?

Postby Sweejak » Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:30 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Just wanted your perspective on how these links relate to my posts or to the thread.<br><br>Your perspective would be helpful in understanding why you posted them.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Sorry, been in a rush and not much time for comments and perhaps scanning a little too fast.<br>I posted these links because we are looking for Nazis and fascists we are also looking at ties in the past and extending them into the present. While Loftus cites ties to Muslims the topic of ties to Zionists seems lacking, hence I dropped them in and consider them to be in context, and especially since they are among the "hushed secrets". I don't like hushed secrets. You can consider it a sidebar if you like.<br><br>Like you say, the issues are complex and not so black and white. Seems like everybody dealt with the Nazi's, just like today everybody has to deal with the US imperium in various ways. Trying to untangle this is not so easy Loftus implies that this matters by 'fingering' the Saudis. He gets a show on FOX news probably because of this(!) Well then, should we not look at the hushed secrets and follow the trail which in this case seems to go to those who are the biggest proponents of this war and remarkably are in the highest levels of the US government? <br><br> As a further aside, re: war criminals: how come Israel protects Solomon Morel in spite of the Polish government issuing extradition requests to Israel. The larger point being a war criminal is a war criminal up to an including the current leaders of the US government whoever they are. <p></p><i></i>
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Thanks - good points Sweejak

Postby Seventhson » Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:46 pm

It begs to be said that Loftus makes much of the fact that his efforts to get at the Brotherhood fundraising were thwarted by those in the government Protecting the Saudis.<br><br>While priasing Bush on the one hand isn't it odd that he alludes to the coverup of the Bush-Saudi and intel ties (protection of the charities ) by Justice who wanted him not to file hios lawsuit.<br><br>Just who does John Loftus THINK is pulling the strings behind the scenes - NOT Bush???<br><br>And who is in league with these bastards: Sharon and the PNAC and the Saudis.<br><br>It just doesn't add up UNLESS Loftus' strategy is one of forcing these ties out into the light to expose them.<br><br>But if that is the case WHY is he still praising Bush if Bush is helping to cover up the crimes of the Saudis agaionst the Jews?<br><br>How does that help the Israelis UNLESS the strategy is that MORE bombings and more Israeli dead will ultimately make Israel more justified in doing what it is doing and in taking more land and shutting the palestinians down forever, thereby theorietically making it more secure.<br><br>INSANITY TO ME, but that seems to be the m.o. for Bush Blair and Sharon: bomb your own country to save it.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Thanks - good points Sweejak

Postby Sweejak » Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:11 pm

Seven, well there were some reports, not credible enough for me to have bookmarked, that tied the Saudi Royal Family and the Zionists together. Not much of a leap to tie the whole friggin bunch together... I don't know just how it fits and am too tired to think about it. Let me say this just as a general sort of idea; the PTB will use anything, and environmental disaster, an asteroid hit, an alien invasion, an earthquake, anything man made or natural to their advantage simply because they can.<br>The overriding agenda seems to be under the heading of Neo Feudalism, New World Order etc. I imagine they think they are doing this 'for our own good". <p></p><i></i>
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Douglas Farah

Postby albion » Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:32 pm

Although Farah unfortunately seems to take the "war on terror" at face value, his work is actually rather critical of BushCo. In addition to the Muslim Brotherhood, his stuff on the Pentagon's continued use of organized crime figures like Viktor Bout and Tim Spicer is also valuable. And according to Alex Cockburn and Jeffrey St Clair in <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Whiteout: The CIA, Drugs and the Press</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, Farah's reporting on narcodollars, Mexico and US banks was 'particularly useful' for their research.<br><br>So while the caveat is certainly called for, at this point I consider Farah to be an honest reporter that I would disagree with on quite a few things, but active psyops/disinfo? Highly unlikely. <p></p><i></i>
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Arendt, Heidegger, and the origins of the new left

Postby proldic » Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:41 pm

HEIDEGGER'S CHILDREN <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0DE5DE123CF935A25751C1A9679C8B63">query.nytimes.com/gst/ful...A9679C8B63</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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What about Grover Norquist?

Postby starroute » Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:17 pm

I was forwarded something recently adding up the extent of Norquist's Islamic connections. It seems that a lot of people on the right are aware of this but are also very reluctant to talk about it. However, Loftus has spoken out about it and so have some others.<br><br>The real question, of course, is just how deep it goes. Is Norquist being stupid and oblivious, or is he playing a dangerous game?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/11/Floridian/Friends_in_high_place.shtml">www.sptimes.com/2003/03/1...lace.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> Friends in high places<br><br> Sami Al-Arian isn't the only prominent Muslim leader who posed for chummy pictures with President Bush. Many conservative Republicans are uneasy at the way GOP power broker Grover Norquist curries support from the Muslim community.<br><br>By MARY JACOBY, Times Staff Writer<br>© St. Petersburg Times<br>published March 11, 2003<br><br>WASHINGTON -- The rumpled, balding figure was spotted darting into the offices of Republican power broker Grover Norquist last July. When Sami Al-Arian emerged more than two hours later, someone was waiting for him.<br><br>Conservative activist Frank Gaffney, whose think tank on national security issues has offices on the same floor, was eager to confirm a tip that the suspected Palestinian Islamic Jihad operative was next door.<br><br>Best known for his high-profile campaign for a "Star Wars" national missile defense system, Gaffney for months had been quietly pursuing another project: trying to convince the Bush administration to more closely scrutinize the Muslim activists whom Norquist was bringing into the president's orbit.<br><br>As part of Norquist's well publicized strategy to mine the Muslim community for GOP votes, Al-Arian had campaigned for Bush in 2000, posed for a photo with the candidate at Plant City's Strawberry Festival and boasted publicly that Muslims in Florida may have tipped the close presidential election to Bush. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=starroute>starroute</A> at: 7/24/05 6:29 pm<br></i>
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Re: Arendt, Heidegger, and the origins of the new left

Postby Sweejak » Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:26 pm

Another aside. re: Arendt and Leo Strauss via Adbusters... highly speculative IMO:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br><br>.......<br>Hannah Arendt<br>If the brilliant and beautiful Hannah Arendt, the German-Jewish intellectual who famously described the “banality of evil” at work in Nazi Germany, had not spurned a young suitor named Leo Strauss, would Americans be killing and dying in Iraq? Not only did Arendt reject Strauss’ affections, she panned his ideas. According to Arendt’s biographer, she told the embittered Strauss that a political party advocating his views could have no place for a Jew like him. Strauss bore the wound of her words for decades. Even today, his followers, the Straussians, despise Arendt. Could her rejection have been the stirring of a butterfly’s wings that led to the inevitable desert storm? <br>.........<br><br>The page has apparently been taken down but it is still in the google cache if you select "text only". Let me know if the link does not work.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:hWCXY3jN1C4J:www.adbusters.org/magazine/49/articles/leo_strauss/noflash.html+Arendt,+Strauss&hl=en&lr=&client=safari+target%3Dnw&strip=1">64.233.187.104/search?q=c...mp;strip=1</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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'ties in the past'

Postby rain » Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:30 am

I was doing a little background on something else last night when I came across this -<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.marxist.com/TUT/TUT6-2.html">www.marxist.com/TUT/TUT6-2.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>and then there's Henry Makow's latest -<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rense.com/general67/curch.htm">www.rense.com/general67/curch.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>and/or Laura's<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/Laura-Knight-Jadczyk/mass_mind_control.htm">www.cassiopaea.org/cass/L...ontrol.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Loftus

Postby anonymouse » Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:51 am

I think Loftus has some good information and is filling in according to his own biases, or ignoring contrary evidence where convenient or necessary. During the cold war, militant, fundamentalist Islamic groups certainly were supported (ie funded) by the US, Britain & Israel as a counterbalance to Arab secular, nationalist/communist movements. Hamas, for example, which is connected to the Muslim Brotherhood, was directly funded by Israel, starting in the 70s, in the hopes of drawing support away from the PLO. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 'ties in the past'

Postby Sweejak » Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:27 am

The thing I like about Makow is that he changes, or should I say evolves. Always thought provoking and fearless. I think he hits this one about right.<br><br>I've had many doubts about Laura and Ark as well but don't have much to argue with her about here, other stuff I would have to research to my satisfaction.<br><br>I'm going to throw this rather well known quote out, I have never been able to verify it, ever notice how hard it is to verify a quote? Anyway:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." <br><br>"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."<br><br>The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."<br><br>--- Cmdr. William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy, reportedly taken from a letter written August 15, 1871 from Albert Pike to Giusseppe Mazzini. <br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>So, is that the agenda? I think everybody here has at least considered it.<br>--------------------------<br><br><br>About Laura's description of people who won't break their trance I see it all the time. This from a neighbor:<br><br>*Have you heard about the downing street memos?<br>*No<br>*M explains the gist of the memos .....<br>Neighbors reply: "well, it's not in the papers.... there are things that we shouldn't know about." " I'm just glad we are helping people."<br><br>Or this when I offer the film "A call to Reopen the 9/11 Investigation"<br>* Yeah I've heard about that stuff.<br>* So here, check out the film.<br>* No man, that stuff is just too scary... places I don't want to go.<br><br>These are the famous home of the brave freedom loving Americans???<br>Fcuk!<br><br>About the Hypnotist experiment, I have heard that cited before but never found the original source, but it certainly describes what you see. Laura says this though: <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>the subject has a strong belief, based upon his CHOICE as to who or what to believe -<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Choosing to believe. That is something you do with religions. Faith. Which, given the few facts that we actually personally know to be true is something we all have to do, to choose, and it is usually based only on likelihoods, intuition and assemblages of facts of varying quality. So just what is it that let's some people break the trance and choose to believe otherwise? A rigorous honesty? Divine intuition, common sense? Or is it just another "take".<br><br>Regarding the idea that the conspiracy is too big because government agencies are always fighting here is an example of infighting amongst CIA MK-ULTRA from the book Acid Dreams.<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The internecine conflict grew to the point where the Office of Security decide to have it's people spy on the TSS. This set off a flurry of memos between Security informant and his superiors, who were dismayed when they learned the Dr, Sidney Gottlieb, the chemist who directed the MK ULTRA program, had approved a plan to give acid to unwitting American citizens. The Office of Security had never attempted such a reckless gesture-although it had it's own idiosyncrasies; ARTICHOKE operatives, for example, were attempting to have a hypnotized subject kill someone while in a trance.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>So where are the good guys? Where are the good Illuminati?<br>Damn, do I know how to ramble.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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'where are the good guys...?'

Postby rain » Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:38 am

heya Sweejak.<br>I asked that question and ended up here - at R.I..<br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Cmdr. William Guy Carr

Postby Qutb » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:58 am

That quote has got to be a hoax. I have a very hard time believing these centuries-long conspiracies where things that are happening today were planned in minute detail a hundred and fifty years ago. That just doesn't fit with what I know about how the world works. For instance, I don't believe the Rothschilds or the "Illuminati" created Communism. If they loaned money to the Communists in Russia, well duh, they loaned money to every government in Europe. None of these Grand Unified Theories have much merit in my book, except the theory that says human beings are driven by greed and <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>wille zur macht</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> and will do anything to attain and maintain and consolidate wealth and power. <p></p><i></i>
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re:'Grand Unified Theories'

Postby rain » Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:50 am

<br> 'created' - maybe not; how about - nurtured with steroids.<br> <br> <br><br>The Jewish Syndrome-3 <br><br>The Second Khazaria <br><br>Translated from the Russian <br><br> <br><br>The beginning of the creation of the second, atheistic Khazaria was marked by the Russia-wide pogrom which echoed from one end of the endless Orthodox Christian Empire to the other. The main blow was aimed at the Orthodox Church and the monarchy in the person of the Anointed One, the last Russian Emperor Nicholas II and his family. <br><br>Power, as in the First Khazaria, once again ended up in the hands of the "eternal civilizers". But this time the power grab was not gradual and painless, but accompanied by rivers of blood. And there can be no talk of the "prestigiousness" of any religion: militant atheism - that was the "religion" adopted by the builders of the Second Khazaria. <br><br>I've already written about the "national character" of this historical period in The Jewish Syndrome-2. But before citing from that book, I'd like to explain why I resort to such frequent "self-citation" in this work. <br><br>Each of my books contain the main axioms of my "Three Khazarias" theory, but in "scattered" form. Nonetheless, an attentive reader capable of analysis could independently arrive at its discovery. So why didn't I present the theory in its "finished form" from the very beginning? The more you immerse yourself in the matter, the more you'll understand that the stage-by-stage method I've chosen for my "Khazaria Studies 101" is the only possible one: the mountain of evidence is simply too overwhelming and irrefutable -- and simply too frightening for many to digest, I'm afraid... <br><br>So let's return to what I wrote in The Jewish Syndrome-2: <br><br>...So February 1917 ended in the complete victory over the Orthodox Monarchy which anti-Christian forces had so long cherished. But along with it, the Bolshevik "genie" was released from its bottle. The "authors" of the February Revolution, International Jewry, which had relied on its blood ties with Jew-internationalists (they'd mistakenly placed their bets on Trotsky), and atheistic Masonry, which was hoping on its ideological ties with Bolshevism, had underestimated this factor. October not only conquered February, but went much further in its battle against Orthodoxy. Marxism-Leninism was not so much a pragmatic political theory as a utopian "religion with a minus sign". It was just this "religiosity" which accounts for the stable immunity of the Bolsheviks against Western liberal influence. This was a peculiar, modified Jewry, an internationalist hypostasis of Jewry. But none of this prevented international financial circles from correctly understanding the "mission" of the Bolsheviks and participating to completely insure themselves against the restoration of the monarchy. <br><br>It's also worth mentioning that the Bolshevik elite of the time was composed of two groups: 1) Lenin and his cohorts (who were spirited into Russia in 1917 by the Germans); and 2) Trotsky and company (who came from America). But in both cases it was the Schiff-Warburg Jewish banking elite who financed them. <br><br>Trotsky expressed his delight and gratitude at the generosity of his American "friends" in his memoirs: "I ended up in New York, in the prosaic-colorful city of capitalist automatons, where the aesthetic of cubism ruled the streets and the moral philosophy of the dollar ruled the hearts. New York impressed me, inasmuch as it expresses the spirit of the contemporary age more than any city... I left for Europe with the feeling of a man who was allowed a glimpse into the smithy where the fate of humanity will be forged..." (L. Trotsky, "My Life. An Experimental Autobiography", Berlin, 1930, v.1) <br><br>...Naturally, in accepting the generous "sponsorship" of Jewish financial magnates, both Trotsky and Lenin sincerely believed that the bankers, in cosmopolitanizing the world, were "unconsciously" helping the cause of communist revolution. In fact, the latter knew exactly what they were doing. By placing their bets on the Bolsheviks, they understood perfectly well that the revolutionaries, in destroying the world of Christian values, were working toward the establishment of the world-wide power of the banker-"blacksmiths". The events which followed only confirmed how correct their calculations had been: Orthodox Monarchy was irreversibly ground into the dust, the Anointed One crucified on the Toppled Cross, and the very Name of God given over to diabolical anathema. <br><br>Such of Lenin's utterances as: "Any religious idea, any idea of a deity... is indescribably vile, the foulest contagion" say a lot, don't they? This is how he browbeat Gorkiy for his "god-seeking". Lenin finished his tirade with the words: "devilishly annoying". And it's no accident that in the first years of the Soviet regime a monument to Judas was erected in the city of Sviazhsk. The children's writer Henning Keler, who witnessed the unveiling ceremony of this monument, described it thusly: "The local party functionary debated for a long time to whom the monument should be made. Lucifer was considered to imperfectly embody the idea of communism; Cain was too legendary. So they decided on Judas, as a completely historical figure. He was depicted full-height with his fist raised into the air..." <br><br>The breakneck pace with which the Second Khazaria was built was accompanied by a "shock wave" of destruction of Christian shrines. The country's new masters raged on the ruins of demolished churches; "Any religious idea, any idea of a deity..." was beaten out of the brains of the newly "conquered" people; a new era dawned, the era of atheism. The time had come for new "saints", to whom the "foolish Khazars" were to bow down. <br><br>Here's how the godless "iconostasis" looked, through the eyes of an unknown artist who produced an "Album of 30 photographs of Bolshevik commissars" entitled "The Ukraine's Butchers" (The captions under the portraits are the original ones given by the artist): <br><br>The Ukraine's Butchers <br><br> <br>Leib Bronstein Trotsky, Minister of War <br>Ulyanov-Lenin, Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars <br>Zinoviev Apfelbaum-Radomysl'skiy, Chairman of the Northern Commune <br>Moishe Uritsky, Chairman of the Special Commission (Cheka) <br><br>Viktor-Kopp, Soviet Representative in Berlin <br>Bela Kun, Chairman of the People's Commissariat of Ugorshchina <br>Martov-Cederbaum, Member of the Central Executive Committee <br>Yankel Yurovsky, Organizer of the Yekaterinburg Murders <br><br>Sukhanov-Gimmer, Member of the All-Russian Council of Soviets <br>Samuil Berkman, Bolshevik agent in America <br>Emma Goldman, Babushka <br>Levine-Nissen, Member of the Executive Committee <br><br>Tomsky-Honichsberg, Member of the All-Russian Council <br>Sverdlov, Chairman of the All-Russian Council of Soviets <br>Axelrod, Commissar of Finance <br>Schreider, Chairman of the Revolutionary Tribunal <br><br>Petrov-Weisbrot, Member of the Soviet peace delegation in Berlin <br>Steklov-Nakhamkes, Member of the Petrograd Executive Committee <br>Revkin, Member of the Founding Assembly <br>Bogdanov-Silberstein-Ioffe, Chairman of the Soviet peace delegation in Brest-Litovsk <br><br>Katz-Kamkov, Member of the Central Executive Committee <br>Kamenev-Rosenfeld, Delegate of the Soviet delegation in Brest-Litovsk <br>Avanesov, Secretary of the Executive Committee <br>Levin, Member of the Executive Committee <br><br>Parvus-Gelfand, Creater of Russian Bolshevism <br>Volodarskiy-Kogan, Member of the Petrograd Executive Committee <br>Steinberg, People's Commissar of Justice <br>Prostein, People's Commissar of Agriculture <br> <br>Karakhan, Soviet Representative in Warsaw <br>Radek-Sobelson, Bolshevik "wise elder" <br><br><br> <br><br>After the civil war, which passed like a destructive cyclone over the whole territory of the conquered Empire and the hungry years of "War Communism" the Second Khazaria's period of prosperity began. The "New Economic Policy" (NEP), which gave rise to a boom in trade and let loose the forces of private enterprise, marked the beginning of the the new state's meteoric rise. <br><br>I won't go into detail in describing this period, whose features are well-known, I'm sure, to anyone who knows their history. I'll only mention that NEP in essence completely contradicted the ideals of "freedom, equality and brotherhood", under which the proletarian masses were let into battle by the builders of the "bright future". <br><br>Stalin <br><br>It was then that the Georgian came to power. In 1927 Joseph Stalin expels Leo Trotsky from the country and the fate of the Second Khazaria is practically sealed... <br><br>Here it would be appropriate to quote "Bolshevik wise elder" Karl Radek, who commented Stalin's actions in the following way: "Moses led the Jews out of Egypt, while Stalin led them ... out of the Politburo". <br><br>What happens after that? A frontal assault begins on the so-called "Trotskyite-Leninist Old Guard"; "Bolshevik commissars" are mowed down wholesale; the era of the Stalinist socialism begins. <br><br>Rejecting the "Khazarian" path, Stalin invented his own "blueprint" for the further development of the Land of Soviets. The three pillars used by the "father of peoples" to base this governmental entity, unique in human history, were the following: 1) collectivization of agriculture; 2) industrialization; and 3) centralization of power. The third "pillar" deserves special mention, for centralization was the principal of Stalin's achievements. It allowed him to nullify the main conquest of the builders of the Second Khazaria, namely, the destruction of the autocratic model of state administration. By organizing a strict "power vertical", Stalin in effect reanimated the autocracy. He created his own "know-how" -- "socialist monarchy", defining the political system in the country he ruled in his own words as a "socialist empire". <br><br>One has to give Stalin his due for stopping the campaign of mockery against Orthodoxy, carried out so relentlessly by his predecessors, once he had achieved unbridled power. One story, repeated in many sources, is indicative of this: <br><br>...Once Kaganovich was showing Stalin a project for the rebuilding of Red Square. He explained that the fake-classical building of the Historical Museum would have to be demolished, then he removed the GUM shopping center from the model, where a grandstand was to be built. When Lazar Moiseevich grabbed the cupola of St. Basil's Cathedral, intending to show where it needed to be relocated, Stalin literally exploded: "Put that back, you dog!"... <br><br>In this fashion, by dint of titanic effort and tremendous sacrifices Stalin was able to reverse the course of history which had been charted out for us, as you'll soon see, for a century in advance. <br><br> <br><br>provided by oag.ru. <br><br>Previous Table of Contents Next <br> <br> <br><br> <br><br>URL of this page:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://oag.ru/library/hodos/js3-3.html">oag.ru/library/hodos/js3-3.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>mirrored at: <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://eairc.boom.ru/library/hodos/js3-3.html">eairc.boom.ru/library/hodos/js3-3.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://oag.newmail.ru/library/hodos/js3-3.html">oag.newmail.ru/library/hodos/js3-3.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br> <br><br>Copy and distribute freely, but please credit <br><br>The Orthodox Anti-Globalist Resource Center <br><br>and include a link to our site: <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://oag.ru">oag.ru</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Horrors

Postby Seventhson » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:33 am

Rain-<br><br>Unfortunately this writer you cite at length is clearly unreliable: take for example (if you follow the links to the article, his endorsement of the wholely fictitious origin of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion")<br><br>It seems that this site is a disinformationist site with a number of agendas, not least of which is to blame Jews for global terror.<br><br>Again, disinformation sites like this contain some effective propaganda and truth in order to attempt credibility. But the fact is that nothing here is well documented, it is all opinion, and even the "justification" for believing the "authenticity" of the protocols is simply, "we can see it is true so no further investigation into the origins is needed" (i.e. to these antiSemites it is a self-authenticating document).<br><br>Over and over the Protocols have been shown to be originally a fiction devised by a French author who wrote about a fictitious conversation between Napolean and Machiavelli in hell. It was passed off as a Jewish/Zionist document purely for antiSemitic and propaganda purposes.<br><br>And again I add that such sites as these are most probably BFEE funded disinformation sites designed to attract attention away from the true "Aryan supermen" WASP NWO - and to foiment hatred.<br><br>It is probably true that the Straussians and PNACzis embrace the philosophy just as Hitler embraced Machiavellianism (which is what the Protocols actually are all about - not Judaism or Zionism at all).<br><br>It is sad that people are still so naive or malinfomred as to fall for such crap.<br><br>I urge all, once again, to read "Der Fuehrer" by Konrad Heiden (1944) and his "History of National Socialism" (1935) if one wants to understand precisely what is happening today and how it is an outgrowth of an Anglo-German-American WASP conspiracy (and yes there are Jewish collaborators such as Strauss, Wolfowitz, Perle, Kissinger, and some banking entities who have formed alliances with the Nazis for their own selfish interests - not in the interests of Judaism, Israel, or Zionsism, imo) which started to go global when they financed the nazi juggernaut beginning in the 1920's and 1930's. That juggernaut continues to roll on today with the BFEE at the helm.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby rain » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:47 am

seventhson,<br><br>um, yeah, Eduard Hodos - Russian, activist, writer and JEW.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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