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AlicetheKurious wrote:desperate
suddenly
compelled
as an authority
to "prove"
gullible
oh-so-badly "want to believe"
AlicetheKurious wrote:too many dogs we already know are there
Montag wrote:I If all the gentiles that support the "special relationship" with Israel could have their minds changed, then the Israel lobby would be far reduced in its power.
Nordic wrote:
That seems to be an extremely naive view of the situation, considering that Israel seems to be in the business of blackmailing pretty much everybody who's anybody in America, then holding their feet to the fire.
JackRiddler wrote:.
If Bibi had declared instead that this was a terrible disaster for Israel, several of you would be pointing out what a liar he is and spinning on to the exact same invincible conclusion that everything is going according to Israeli plan.
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Ben D wrote:JackRiddler wrote:.
If Bibi had declared instead that this was a terrible disaster for Israel, several of you would be pointing out what a liar he is and spinning on to the exact same invincible conclusion that everything is going according to Israeli plan.
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But serious posters I imagine, generally confine their opinions to the here and now of what has actually been reported, not on hypothetical possible reactions of other posters to a hypothetical opposite storyline of the one they had opined on.
JackRiddler wrote:Serious posters don't judge everything they see against the yardstick of what they would prefer to see.
Zbigniew Brzezinski: Who is Really Leaking to Wikileaks?
Economic Policy Journal | November 30, 2010
Zbigniew Brzezinski doesn’t think all the leaked information coming out of Wikileaks is a result of Army PFC Bradley Manning, as a matter of fact he suspects a foreign intelligence service may be providing the more embarrassing leaks. In a PBS interview with Judy Woodruff, ZB lays out his thinking.
AlicetheKurious wrote:Far from being dangerous to the lying, thieving, murderous predators who are pushing for MORE war and to those who have committed well-documented war crimes and crimes against humanity, the verdict on the WikiLeaks revelations so far is that they have "proven them right".
barracuda wrote:What is your feeling on the prospect of the atomic Iran? Good, bad, indifferent? The answer would seem to bear directly upon whether or not WikiLeaks assumes the shape of a right-wing disinformation source to your way of thinking.
In 2003, Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israel’s Hebrew University, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[19] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003) as saying "I consider it all hopeless at this point. ... We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen, before Israel goes under." Link
Osama bin Laden is alive and playing a key role in directing the war in Afghanistan, leaked US military files suggest.
Wikileaks Afghanistan: Osama bin Laden alive
Multiple intelligence reports on the whereabouts of the al-Qaeda leader are contained among the documents. They disclose publicly for the first time that bin Laden is thought to be personally overseeing the work of suicide bombers and the makers of Taliban roadside bombs which have had a devastating effect on British and US troops. A secret “threat report” drafted by the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) in 2006 locates bin Laden as well as the Taliban leader Mullah Omar to the Pakistani city of Quetta as well as several villages on the Afghan border. --- UK Telegraph 27 July 2010.
Egypt, Cairo June 4th 2009 - Obama Warns not to challenge Official 9/11 Story
'I am aware that there is still some who would question, or even justify the offense of 911.
But let us be clear. Al Qaeeda killed nearly 3000 people on that day. The victims were innocent men, women, and children from America and many other nations who had done nothing to harm anybody.
And yet Al Qaeeda chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack, and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale.
They have affiliates in many countries, to try to expand their reach.
These are not opinions to be debated. These are facts to be dealt with.' --- President Obama, Cairo Egypt, June 4th 2009, 911 and Imperial Mobilization Redux By Zahir Ebrahim
“So, uh ... why was all of this information classified and top secret? If it's old news, and it just confirms what "everyone" already knows, what was the rationale for keeping it classified and calling WikiLeaks all sorts of mean names for publishing it?”
ZERO : An Investigation Into 9/11 - PART 8 of 10, Interview with Giulietto Chiesa, Journalist - Member of the European Parliament, disclosing the fictional CSIS Imagery presented to the Commission of the European Parliament for Security and Defense, in the summer of 2005, of Mr. Osama Bin Laden claiming the fictional destruction of NATO HQ in Brussels!
'In the summer of 2005, the commission of the European parliament for security and defense, of which I am a member, was invited to a special screening created by the Washington Center for Strategic Studies
We were asked to watch a film which depicted what would happen in Europe, if Brussels was hit by a nuclear bomb. Fifty thousand deaths, hundred thousand injured. The reactions of various European governments. Suddenly, footage of Osama Bin Laden claiming responsibility for a nuclear attack on NATO headquarters comes on screen. All members of the parliament, myself included, were rendered speechless. Then a parliamentarian finally said:
“Today we were shown a convincing demonstration of how Osama Bin Laden's image can be completely manipulated. All the Osama's we have seen over the years, may never have existed. Just as a nuclear attack on NATO Headquarters in Brussels has never taken place.”' --- ZERO
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