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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby stefano » Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:01 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:Believe what you want to believe: Soros is just a banker[...]whose 'philanthropic' institutions like the National Endowment for Democracy (famous for staging "color revolutions" in countries whose governments are not subservient to Western interests)
Yes, I know he was active in opening Communist countries to free market dogma, I acknowledged that in my post above, but that doesn't make him especially pernicious, now does it? Not more than any one of ten thousand silk-tied banksters in ten of the world's financial centres. What does he have to do with WikiLeaks, was my question.

AlicetheKurious wrote:who happens to be a major investor in Mossad-linked espionage firms
Yes he bought a stake in a devalued Israeli firm, that's called a value play and it's what billionaires do. Again, I've never disputed the man's attraction to filthy lucre - what about it makes him more dangerous, more deserving of Alex Jones's paranoid rantings than... I don't know, anyone else? Do you have anything to say about his Hamas comments at all?

AlicetheKurious wrote:the alleged preponderance of Soros-linked individuals on the board of Wikileaks -- I say "alleged" because it's been reported but not corroborated or refuted, as far as I know
So very probably more bullshit from your favourite bullshit merchant of the week, eh? Or - I know you'll find this Byzantine and improbable but bear with me - something to do with the fact that the Open Society Foundation wants to promote an open society?

You obviously won't change your mind whatever you learn, so yeah, believe what you want to believe.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:38 pm

The Conservative Case for WikiLeaks
Posted on December 9th, 2010 by Jack Hunter

Lovers necessarily keep or share secrets. Being in a healthy relationship means achieving a certain level of intimacy, where shared knowledge of each others’ weaknesses and insecurities is protected by a bond of mutual trust. Sometimes lovers might do devilish things that outsiders wouldn’t understand, or shouldn’t be privy to, and this is fine. But by and large, what they do is simply no one else’s business.

But imagine that the man in the relationship kept it a secret that he had other women on the side, kids, a criminal record, venereal disease, and basically betrayed his lover in every way imaginable, unbeknownst to her?

Now imagine a third party felt it was their moral duty to reveal it?

No one questions that governments must maintain a certain level of secrecy, including WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who told Time that “Secrecy is important for many things … [but it] shouldn’t be used to cover up abuses.” The entire premise of Assange’s whistleblower organization is this: To what degree is government secrecy justified? And when particular secrets could be damaging to the other partner in the United States government’s relationship — the American people — should these secrets be revealed in the name of protecting the public?

How often does our government use “national security” simply as an excuse to cover up questionable dealings? Reports Time: “in the past few years, governments have designated so much information secret that you wonder whether they intend the time of day to be classified. The number of new secrets designated as such by the U.S. government has risen 75% … . At the same time, the number of documents and other communications created using those secrets has skyrocketed nearly 10 times…”

To say that government must keep secrets is not to say that all government secrets must be kept.

As admitted even by Pentagon officials and Defense Secretary Robert Gates, none of WikiLeaks’ revelations do anything to compromise national security or endanger American lives — but they have wreaked havoc on political life in Washington, D.C. Americans are not supposed to know, for example, that their government bullied and threatened individuals and other governments that might have undermined the Copenhagen climate change summit in 2009. The federal government attempting to squelch anyone who might undermine global-warming dogma? Do WikiLeaks’ conservative critics believe revealing this is a “national security” risk?

Americans are not supposed to know, apparently, that behind the scenes Saudi Arabia has been encouraging the U.S. to take military action against Iran. But if we end up going to war with Iran shouldn’t it be in America’s national interest, and not simply as a subcontractor for another country? Asks Fox News’ Judith Miller: “Why should Americans not know that Arab states, often at the top level, have been urging Washington to take military or other drastic action against Iran, while they publicly oppose such action?”

And when did conservatives become so protective of Hillary Clinton? What happened to the days of the “Stop Hillary Express,” when right-wing talk radio portrayed the former first lady as Satan and theorized about all the devious ways in which, if in power, she might conspire to bring down the country? When WikiLeaks revealed that Secretary of State Clinton tried to obtain DNA, fingerprints, credit-card numbers, and other private information belonging to United Nations officials, we learned that Clinton’s style was every bit as mafia-esque as her conservative critics once warned. Yet conservatives now attack WikiLeaks for revealing what they once feared. It should also be remembered that the same conservatives now calling for Assange’s head either ignored or were sympathetic to Lewis “Scooter” Libby’s outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame allegedly at the Bush administration’s behest — a revelation arguably far riskier to our national security than anything ever released by WikiLeaks.

But the worst hypocrisy throughout this controversy has been in conservatives reflexively defending the government and attacking WikiLeaks. Since when have conservatives believed that Washington should be able to shroud any action it likes in secrecy and that revealing government’s nefarious deeds is tantamount to treason? Isn’t it government officials who might secretly work for corporate, ideological or transnational interests — and against the national interest — who are betraying their country?

Interestingly, Wikileaks’ founder espouses the traditionally conservative, Jeffersonian view that America’s constitutional structure limits and lessens government corruption. Reported Time: “Assange appears to believe that the U.S. has not become ‘a much-worse-behaved superpower’ because its federalism, ‘this strength of the states,’ has been a drag on the combination of the burgeoning power of the central government and a presidency that can expand its influence only by way of foreign affairs.”

Decentralizing government power, limiting it, and challenging it was the Founders’ intent and these have always been core conservative principles. Conservatives should prefer an explosion of whistleblower groups like WikiLeaks to a federal government powerful enough to take them down. Government officials who now attack WikLleaks don’t fear national endangerment, they fear personal embarrassment. And while scores of conservatives have long promised to undermine or challenge the current monstrosity in Washington, D.C., it is now an organization not recognizably conservative that best undermines the political establishment and challenges its very foundations.


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Randal, on December 9th, 2010 at 6:19 am Said:
A good exposition of the conservative case for Wikileaks in relation to government. Your Time quote also illustrates that Assange himself is not fundamentally anti-American, as many seem to have assumed, presumably because the ongoing “megaleak” releases happen to have come from a US source and deal with US state affairs.

The US conservative case for Wikileaks is precisely, as you say, that US conservatives believe that government serves the people, and that therefore any government secrecy must be the exception rather than the rule, and be tightly justified in each case. And since government cannot be trusted to police itself, there is a need for external bodies to do so – this was the role of the press originally, but they have failed us in the west, and need to be reinvigorated by the outsiders of Wikileaks.

However, it is a mistake to assume that Wikileaks is wholly, or even primarily, devoted to government. In fact, the Wikileaks philosophy deals with what they term “conspiratorial” behaviour in general – anywhere where groups of people get together and seek to cooperate to achieve something in secrecy from outsiders. The activities of Wikileaks are directed towards exposing such conspiratorial behaviour wherever it is directed to criminal or immoral ends.
By creating mechanisms for secure dissemination of leaked information, through respected and trusted brands such as Wikileaks, it is hoped that it will be more difficult for conspiracies to operate, thereby putting them at a disadvantage in relation to less criminal and less conspiratorial competitors. In order to preserve secrecy, they will have to clamp down more tightly on their internal communications, which will inhibit their processing of information and therefore their strategic planning and operational effectiveness. Organisations with less to hide will be less affected.

It’s a plausible theory, imo, and one which should be supported, if only because it seems clear that our societies are presently seriously threatened by the excessive wealth and power of both corporations and states. The more they are forced to operate in the open, the less of a threat that wealth and power becomes.

Mike Lewinski II, on December 9th, 2010 at 9:14 am Said:
This may be a good time to recall a quote from an unnamed aide in the Bush administration:
The aide said that guys like me were ”in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who ”believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ”That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. ”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality–judiciously, as you will–we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors… and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

It seems clear to me that loyalty to the Republic necessitates treason to the Empire. Their interests are diametrically opposed. Secrecy (and indeed, duplicity) in all dealings of the State is a defining characteristic of empires, and exists primarily to protect the governing class from being held accountable by the governed.
Sadly, it seems that the majority of the governed today have little interest in such accountability. Another empire comes to mind:
In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all – security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again. — Edward Gibbon


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http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2010/12/09 ... wikileaks/

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:55 pm

vanlose kid wrote:Americans are not supposed to know, apparently, that behind the scenes Saudi Arabia has been encouraging the U.S. to take military action against Iran. But if we end up going to war with Iran shouldn’t it be in America’s national interest, and not simply as a subcontractor for another country?


Thanks for the laugh, vanlose kid. That was hilarious. A perfect example of how Wikileaks helps to inform the American people.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:12 pm

wrong thread. moved.

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:31 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:Believe what you want to believe: Soros is just a banker who happens to be a major investor in Mossad-linked espionage firms and whose 'philanthropic' institutions like the National Endowment for Democracy (famous for staging "color revolutions" in countries whose governments are not subservient to Western interests), the Open Society Institute and Freedom House promote democracy world-wide and even in the United States. Mark Stephens, employed by Soros' Open Society Institute, now representing Assange is just a coincidence, as is the alleged preponderance of Soros-linked individuals on the board of Wikileaks -- I say "alleged" because it's been reported but not corroborated or refuted, as far as I know. Wikileaks is not a psyops, because writings attributed to Assange are nice. We know Wikileaks are not a psyop because psyops don't involve things like misdirection and lies and fabrications to make people think that they're fighting for their "freedom" when they're really being manipulated into building the walls of their own cages. Wikileaks does not provide pretexts for (among other things) warmongering and a full-blown government attack on internet freedom.


Alice, you embed links as though they support what you say, but what happens if we follow them?

The "just a banker" link establishes the presence of Soros philanthropies at various suspected CIA coups and color-coded revolutions, and won't get any objections from me.

Evidence of very wide-ranging activities in the US by Soros-financed groups is plentiful and open source, but your "even in the United States" link is to a story obviously designed to embarrass Sarah Palin, about how her foreign policy adviser, a big DC lobbyist who is seriously spooked up (helped put together Chalabi's outfit, among other things), is also being used by Open Society to get the Congress mad at Burma. Whatever.

Your proof of Soros's Mossad connection is a Haaretz story about the purchase of 5.1% of the shares in Comverse last July at $7.55 (currently at $7.15) by his "family investment fund, Soros Fund Management. The fund also owns shares of the Chinese Internet company Alibaba, Bank of America, Pfizer, Ford, CitiBank, seed company Monsanto, Brazilian gas giant Petrobras and AT&T." The fund makes Soros a major investor in a lot of unsavory institutions (except maybe for Alibaba, which I don't know anything about) from several countries. Ownership of stock doesn't tell us if he involves himself at a policy level, however, or cares. Monsanto spreads GMO proprietary seed in India, a disaster for farmers there, and so Soros is guilty of that too, but the fact that this is a hedge fund suggests that for him, it's all about the Benjamins.

"Comverse is the world’s leading provider of software and systems enabling value-added services for voice, messaging, mobile Internet and mobile advertising; converged billing and active customer management; and IP communications." So saith the Comverse site. As I remember, Comverse started with state capital and has been accused of providing software back-doors and full data access to Israeli intel, which would be both unsurprising and reprehensible. The company is currently up for sale through Goldman Sachs, with at least one offer at a "share price of $9-$10," which would represent a tidy 20-35% profit for Soros if he went in on the sale.

While this fact might be the beginning of an investigation (which you would have to provide) into whether the Comverse deal goes deeper for Soros than speculating on a stock market profit, as evidence of a Soros-Mossad collusion in anything other than that, it is currently rates a zero. Anyone with the cash can buy and sell publicly traded stock, including in the bad guys' companies. Furthermore, I'd be the last one to ever think "just a banker" (and Soros is assuredly more than that) is any kind of exoneration given the role of bankers in the world.

Another of your embedded links follows from the second part of the sentence, "Wikileaks does not provide pretexts for (among other things) warmongering and [b]a full-blown government attack on internet freedom[/b]," and for some reason leads to a story about the "The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007" (H.R. 1955). This was the "thought-crimes" bill sponsored by Jane Harman, which passed the House but never became law. (See http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1955).

H.R. 1955 is a nightmare, but the linked story about it in no way relates or refers to Wikileaks (which at the time was not serving as a pretext for such action, and was only beginning to be noted, in fact hailed as a project to overthrow Chinese censorship). Thus the article you link underlines that US politicians had Internet freedom in their sights long before Wikileaks became the big issue of the day, as we all know. And anyway, how exactly the use of Wikileaks by an abusive Congress as a "pretext" for repressive measures would be the fault of Wikileaks, I'll leave to the reader to wonder. (Perhaps what we're supposed to take from that is that Jane Harman besides being the richest person in Congress and among the top supporters of the MIC is also Jewish and the biggest Zionist in Congress? I don't know.)

All this is garnish and prelude, however. Although embedding these links, as though they support your text even when they don't, illustrates the Alicean style, none of the above matters at all to the present argument, which rests on the sole crux of whether you have shown a link between Wikileaks/Assange and Soros in the first place.

You argue for this connection (without hyperlinks in this case) based on:

a) a "reported but not corroborated or refuted" "alleged preponderance of Soros-linked individuals on the board of Wikileaks"

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b) the lawyer "Mark Stephens, employed by Soros' Open Society Institute, now representing Assange."

Who is Mark Stephens?
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/b ... 759409.ece

Murdoch's Organ wrote:Mark Stephens
Media lawyer

Mr “Media Lawyer” himself, Mark Stephens, 51, is the best-known in the business. A prolific commentator, broadcaster, blogger and writer, his strongly pro-freedom-of-expression views are regularly sought across the industry. Head of media with Finers Stephens Innocent, his practice spans media law and regulation, including defamation, newsgathering, reporting restrictions, anti-counterfeiting work, moral rights, cultural property and copyright. Much of his work has a multinational and cross-jurisdictional dimension: a passionate supporter of human rights he takes cases in the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. His career began fighting a corner for artists: he set up ArtLaw, the first legal advice centre for artists, and he still advises on intellectual property and other arts-related disputes...


What the fuck? I didn't even know (thanks Alice), but Stephens is a celebrity lawyer with a monster rep, like Johnny Cochran or F. Lee Bailey. Your citing him as a link would be like connecting Rosa Parks to O.J. Simpson because both enjoyed Cochran's representation -- in completely unrelated cases. (Parks: sued Outkast for using her name as a song title; case pursued posthumously by her estate until 2006, settled out of court with a promise that Outkast would perform a "tribute" to her memory.)

In the process of researching this, I ran across an article from that other alleged-reported-not-refuted "Soros front," Media Matters (which has received Soros donations, so what more do we need to know?) and discovered that your argument of a Wikileaks-Soros connection is being advanced using the same two items as evidence by none other than Glen Beck.

Glen Beck-AlicetheKurious Connection?

I don't think advancing the same faulty argument establishes a collusion between AlicetheKurious and Glen Beck, nor can I say whether one is copying their "evidence" in this case from the other. And yet I can't say it's coincidental, since the two arguments employ the same weak insinuations.

Oh, and my Spidey Sense is tingling!

Media Matters in answering Beck also deals with the "alleged," "reported," "not refuted" connection between Soros and the Wikileaks advisory board, so here's that:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201011290032

Beck struggles to tie WikiLeaks to George Soros

November 29, 2010 5:13 pm ET by Solange Uwimana

According to Glenn Beck, George Soros is connected to pretty much everything that's bad in the universe, but today, Beck settled on trying to make the case that Soros is somehow behind WikiLeaks, the organization that recently posted secret government communications on its website. Beck claimed that Soros is using Wikileaks to "cause chaos" and bring down America using, as always, the nefarious "bottom-up, top-down, and inside out" technique of "George Soros operative" Van Jones.

Weaving a tale that began with organizations supporting accused leaker Pfc. Bradley Manning, Beck continued:

BECK: Then you have the Movement for a Democratic Society. Now what is the Movement for a Democratic Society? ... It's the adult counterpart of the Students for a Democratic Society. So it's like the Gray Panthers and the Black Panthers. The Gray Panthers are the old ones. Now, who's the guy who started SDS back in the 1960s? He's the guy who's now running the Open Society Institute for George Soros. Well, so, that's -- that's good.

WikiLeaks founders, when they started to talk about the need to raise $5 million, they said the only ones that had this kind of money that could do what they were looking to do was the CIA or George Soros. And they complained that the initial round of publicity had, quote, "affected our delicate negotiations with the Open Society Institute."

Now, I'm sure George Soros -- because he's come out and he has said he is so against this WikiLeaks thing. He is so against it. WikiLeaks advisory board member was the director of the China office of Human Rights Watch, which is Soros-funded. And the WikiLeaks editor -- you know he's hiding out in Great Britain -- he's represented by attorney Mark Stephens, which is weird, because Stephens also does pro bono work for the Open Society Institute. Isn't that weird, huh?


So let's see if I've got this straight: An organization that supports the accused WikiLeaks leaker is "the adult counterpart" to another organization, founded by a man who is now president of Soros' Open Society Foundation. While looking for funding, "WikiLeaks founders" allegedly mentioned the "CIA" and "George Soros" and the group was reportedly in "negotiations" with OSI. A "WikiLeaks advisory board member" used to work for "Soros-funded" Human Rights Watch and Julian Assange's legal council "does pro bono work" for OSI. Beck sure has a slam-dunk case there.

In a July interview with John Young, one of the early founders of WikiLeaks who runs the website Cryptome, CNET reported that Young pulled out of the effort "when other Wikileaks founders started to talk about the need to raise $5 million and complained that an initial round of publicity had affected 'our delicate negotiations with the Open Society Institute and other funding bodies,' " as Young put it.

So Beck doesn't even allege that Soros has funded Wikileaks. He's just alluding to a connection because WikiLeaks apparently wanted money from Soros. According to Young's website, Soros' Open Society Foundations said in August that they "do not support" WikiLeaks. In fact, the Open Society Foundations was among the groups that recently criticized WikiLeaks for endangering Afghan civilians by releasing their names.

And what about that "advisory board member"? Well, according to Wired UK, "most of the members of the advisory board to whom Wired spoke admitted that they had little involvement with Wikileaks, and have not done much 'advising.' " And David Kushner reported in April, "When I contacted the impressive figures listed on its advisory board, some didn't know they were mentioned on the site or had little idea how they got there." WikiLeaks has since removed any mention of advisors or board members on its website.


Now that's shady, but it ain't Soros.

And is it really that "weird" that a leading British lawyer is involved in pro bono work? Stephens is a senior partner at Finers, Stephens, Innocent (FSI), a law firm that employs more than a hundred attorneys across nine subject matters. FSI's pro bono work is a "crucial part" of the firm and it offers free legal council to more than 25 organizations. Stephens himself founded the Solicitors Pro Bono Group, a national charity that provides free legal help to those who cannot afford to pay. So is Beck saying that lawyers are weird for offering free advice to those who don't have enough money to pay? Or just to OSI?


(Quoting the rest of Media Matters for completeness, but not on topic.)

Beck then got to the crux of his argument, pointing to Czechoslovakia as an example of what Soros is attempting to orchestrate here. Recounting the Communist revolution of 1948, he said "people at the top" could "infiltrate" the government and "orchestrate all kinds of events on the ground" and "cause chaos," just as happened then. That's "the theory of Van Jones," he specified -- the "bottom-up, top-down, and inside out" theory.

This is at least the fourth time Beck has held up the Communist revolution of 1948 Czechoslovakia to advance his theory that Soros is somehow using that as a model to take over the world -- or something. But Beck almost always conveniently leaves out the fact that Soros supported the overthrow of the communist regime in that country -- in fact, and when Beck sees fit, he cites Soros' involvement in that Velvet Revolution as a black mark against him.


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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:50 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:Americans are not supposed to know, apparently, that behind the scenes Saudi Arabia has been encouraging the U.S. to take military action against Iran. But if we end up going to war with Iran shouldn’t it be in America’s national interest, and not simply as a subcontractor for another country?


Thanks for the laugh, vanlose kid. That was hilarious. A perfect example of how Wikileaks helps to inform the American people.


No, actually. A perfect example of how a rigid ideology, in this case that of the paleocons, distorts how they perceive and/or present the facts available to them to suit their predetermined necessary conclusions, in this case that the US does bad things in the world only because of its foreign entanglements. Also an example of how Wikileaks ain't responsible for the spin. In fact, now that the cables are entering the public domain, not even the State Department is responsible for the spin, or able to exercise the same control of it that it possessed before.

And I hardly think vanlose kid posted that article as an endorsement of the views therein. The point is to show what even these guys are thinking.

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Montag » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:10 pm

Exclusive: Key FBI whistleblower: Had WikiLeaks existed, 9/11, Iraq war ‘could have been prevented’
by Nathan Diebenow

December 9th, 2010
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/excl ... -officers/

excerpt:
A member of a group of former intelligence professionals that has rallied behind WikiLeaks suggested in a recent interview with Raw Story that the world would be a different and better place had the online secrets outlet come into existence years sooner.

“If there had been a mechanism like Wikileaks, 9/11 could have been prevented,” Coleen Rowley, a former special agent/legal counsel at the FBI's Minneapolis division, told Raw Story in an exclusive interview.

Rowley and her colleague Bogdan Dzakovic, a special agent for the FAA's security division, explained this position in an op-ed published in the Los Angeles Times in October. However, they admit no claim to the original idea of an established pro-whistle-blower infrastructure. It's purely the US government's, she said.

"That's not even us," she told Raw Story. "That's not our personal opinion. We’re really reciting the conclusions of the 9/11 Commission that attributed the failures of 9/11 to a failure to share information not only inside agencies, not only between agencies, but with the public and the media."

"People have forgotten that that was the main conclusion of the 9/11 Commission," Rowley added.

"The 9/11 Commission was based on four other major investigation inquiries," she continued "One was called the Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry. That started in Jan. 2002. It went on for well over a year. Then I testified to the Judiciary Committee, and they came out with a big long report. That JICI had two reports. It had an early one and a second one. Then, my memo led to an Inspector General which is about a 400-page investigation that Glenn Find did."

WikiLeaks, Rowley argued, is merely implementing that underlying suggestion: to share information for the public good.

coleenrowley Exclusive: Key FBI whistleblower: Had WikiLeaks existed, 9/11, Iraq war could have been prevented Rowley worked closely with those who arrested would-be terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui on an immigration violation weeks before 9/11. She was one of three whistleblowers chosen as "Person of the Year" by TIME magazine.

"One of the reasons why the [website] existed with the 2.5 million documents shared at fairly low levels to even include privates was that was the conclusion of the 9/11 Commission – that 9/11 occurred due to a failure to share this information. So they were trying to share things as much as possible," she said.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby wintler2 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:31 pm

vanlose kid wrote:rap news 5


Okay, that was brilliant - the fawning o'really, rumsfelds unknown no-no's with gestures, assange making an appearance to unmask 'terrence moonbat' .. thats fucking art man. Awesome bubbles of love to Thejuicemedia.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby nathan28 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:36 pm

Montag wrote:Exclusive: Key FBI whistleblower: Had WikiLeaks existed, 9/11, Iraq war ‘could have been prevented’


OMFG Assange works for **THOSE** Globalists!


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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:13 am

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As for this supposed childhood cult brainwashing, don't know fuck-all but here's some of what's floating around:

In 1979, his mother remarried; her new husband was a musician who belonged to a controversial New Age group led by Anne Hamilton-Byrne. The couple had a son, but broke up in 1982 and engaged in a custody struggle for Assange's half-brother. His mother then took both children into hiding for the next five years. Assange moved several dozen times during his childhood, attending many schools, sometimes being home schooled, and later attending several universities at various times in Australia.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange

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The cult:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiniket ... ssociation

Anne Hamilton-Byrne acquired fourteen infants and young children between about 1968 and 1975. Some were the natural children of Santiniketan members, others had been obtained through irregular adoptions arranged by lawyers, doctors and social workers within the group who could bypass the normal processes. The children’s identities were changed using false birth certificates or deed poll, all being given the surname 'Hamilton-Byrne' and dressed alike even to the extent of their hair being dyed uniformly blonde.[11]

The children were kept in seclusion and home-schooled at Kia Lama, a rural property usually referred to as "Uptop", at Taylor Bay on Lake Eildon near the town of Eildon, Victoria. They were taught that Anne Hamilton-Byrne was their biological mother, and knew the other adults in the group as 'aunties' and 'uncles'.[4] They were denied almost all access to the outside world, and subjected to a discipline that included frequent corporal punishment and starvation diets.[12]

The children were frequently dosed with the psychiatric drugs Anatensol, Diazepam, Haloperidol, Largactil, Mogadon, Serepax, Stelazine, Tegretol or Tofranil.[4] On reaching adolescence they were compelled to undergo an initiation involving LSD: while under the influence of the drug the child would be left in a dark room, alone, apart from visits by Hamilton-Byrne or one of the psychiatrists from the group.[4][13]
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It's unclear whether or how the boy Julian was involved in all that. The place was broken up by a raid in 1987, Hamilton-Byrne was on the run for six years and later pled to lesser charges.

http://gawker.com/5551790/the-strange-u ... an-assange

But New Yorker reporter Raffi Khatchadourian delves deep into Assange's past and we learn about the abbreviated childhood that shaped his obsessions. Assange for a time lived on the tiny Magnetic Island off the coast of Australia. He was homeschooled, grew up riding horses and making rafts, and when he was eight his mom hooked up with a musician. Things got weird:

The musician became abusive, she says, and they separated. A fight ensued over the custody of Assange's half brother, and Claire felt threatened, fearing that the musician would take away her son. Assange recalled her saying, "Now we need to disappear," and he lived on the run with her from the age of eleven to sixteen. When I asked him about the experience, he told me that there was evidence that the man belonged to a powerful cult called the Family-its motto was "Unseen, Unknown, and Unheard." Some members were doctors who persuaded mothers to give up their newborn children to the cult's leader, Anne Hamilton-Byrne. The cult had moles in government, Assange suspected, who provided the musician with leads on Claire's whereabouts.


They escaped and moved across the street form an electronics store, where Assange learned computers. Eventually, Assange became a part of a hacking collective known as the International Subversives, adopting the moniker "Mendax".


So by that, the boy Julian did not get the treatment, but the mother and he were on the run.

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Plutonia » Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:38 am

Aha!

"Wikileaks is an attack on conspiracy..." Paul Martin Eve

Well that explains some things.... :mrgreen:

Actually, it's a paradigm shift.

Yes, i think it must be so:

Wikileaks is about capitalist paradigm shift, not single government overthrow
Posted on December 3, 2010 by Martin Paul Eve

Julian Assange has just conducted a brief Q&A on the Guardian website and he gave one statement that clearly indicates his fierce intelligence and comprehension of the stakes involved in transparency of government. I felt it worthy enough to merit a post and expository paragraph or two of its own. The quotation reads:

The west has fiscalised its basic power relationships through a web of contracts, loans, shareholdings, bank holdings and so on. In such an environment it is easy for speech to be “free” because a change in political will rarely leads to any change in these basic instruments. Western speech, as something that rarely has any effect on power, is, like badgers and birds, free. In states like China, there is pervasive censorship, because speech still has power and power is scared of it. We should always look at censorship as an economic signal that reveals the potential power of speech in that jurisdiction. The attacks against us by the US point to a great hope, speech powerful enough to break the fiscal blockade.

[Yeah, but what about MYHOP, you git?!!]

There are two points here. Firstly, Assange correctly highlights that it is easy for speech to be free when it has no power. We can, therefore, use levels of censorship as a measure of the impact of speech. The second point is that the instant that speech attacks the basic monetary substructure which pervades occidental society, it is suddenly empowered and, consequentially, censored. Hence, defamation is taken seriously because it impacts financially upon the target. When slander is not false, but true and a character is rightly vilified, however, that speech still has power because of its economic consequences. In Western culture, therefore, censored speech is that which could actually lead to an effective change; not to the temporary government which happens to hold sway at a particular moment in time, but rather to the paradigm that was prerequisite for that government to exist.

Wikileaks is an attack on conspiracy, as defined by the gap between what people say they do and what they actually do. As Assange has said elsewhere, originally in his piece “State and Terrorist Conspiracies”: “Hence in a world where leaking is easy, secretive or unjust systems are nonlinearly hit relative to open, just systems.” The masquerade of wars with financial motives is the prime example of this charade and exposing them as such queries not just the government that entered into the war (hello, Labour Party), but the more important issue of capital. Wikileaks is, therefore, actually about the inevitable corruption that occurs when capital enters conspiratorial, invisible government. If Wikileaks aims to undermine American power, it is primarily in the proposed irreconcilability of capital and government, which helps account — even if they won’t acknowledge it — for the vitriol from the American right.

There are, of course, those who object. I would say, though that those who cry out that secrecy is necessary for diplomacy should, firstly, query their own ethics. Instead of calling for the leaks to stop, why are you not asking for the behaviour to stop? Accountability will quickly lead to a vast reduction of wartime atrocities (such as in the Collateral Murder videos) while a more open form of diplomacy might give peace talks, as they say, a chance.

On the other hand, those who cry out that this is idealistic, ask where your own ideals went. Instead of perpetuating a system with your hegemony, why can you not see that it was this lack of transparency that demolished your belief in human goodness? Privacy should apply to the individual, not the government. The government is a collective entity which should be accountable to the people, not vice-versa.

Link


“State and Terrorist Conspiracies” PDF

That's Assange, the conspira-noob for ya! Lolz!!11 :lol2:
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Postby nathan28 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:11 am

Here:

http://213.251.145.96/cable/2010/01/10ASHGABAT118.html

"In a year, ahmadinejad will be out"

¶2. (C) At "Cafe Zaineb," part of a truck stop and guest house
just off the main road that caters to Iranian and Turkish
truckers (reftel),
we spoke to a group xxxxxxxxxxxx. They were accompanied by
xxxxxxxxxxxx, in his late
fifties and something of a firebrand, declared, "Just wait a
year. When the revolution takes place, Ahmadinejad will be
out and Moussavi will be president." (He repeated himself,
partly in broken Russian, just to be sure we understood).
Underscoring his strong dislike for Iran's leaders, he said
emphatically, "The mullahs and Ahmadinejad? They can all go
to hell." When asked how other Iranians he knows view the
situation, xxxxxxxxxxxx said, "I assure you: 70 percent of the
people feel just like I do. We just can't say it openly.
Everyone talks in whispers." xxxxxxxxxxxx, wanted to know, "Is it true that America doesn't
want Iran to have nuclear energy? Why?" (Most of the group
seemed surprised to hear that nuclear weapons, not energy,
are the cause of concern.)




Well, there you go.


People in the American FOREIGN Service can't figure out why a nation whose biggest cash-earning export is OIL (90% of revenues IIRC) wants to burn use uranium, not oil, for fuel.

Put another way: an Iranian truckdriver who spends his time at eurotrash drinking establishments is smarter than the State Dep't Patri-diots who are supposed to be out there negotiating lasting Pax Americana.





The secretary's human rights speech: tucked out of sight

¶3. (C) We passed out Farsi-language copies of Secretary
Clinton's December speech "On the Human Rights Agenda for the
21st Century," as well as U.S.-Iran flag pins (a big hit).
Several of the truckers said, "We need to read this here.
We'll be in big trouble if they catch us with it in Iran."
xxxxxxxxxxxx however, asked for extra copies. "I'm not worried,"
he said. "I'll hide them in my truck. I want my children to
read this."

"Obama has not kept his promises"

¶4. (C) In the evening, we met up with another group of
xxxxxxxxxxxx truckers. xxxxxxxxxxxx said he was delighted to be meeting an
American, "for the first time in my life." (He pulled out a
digital camera to record the event.) With a wife and three
children xxxxxxxxxxxx, he spends more time on the road than at
home. Possessing a knack for languages, he has picked up
both Russian and Uzbek, and has also mastered the Tajik
dialect of Farsi during trips to Dushanbe. While traveling
through Central Asia, he enjoys drinking and visiting
discotheques.

9/11 conspiracy theories

¶5. (C) When asked how Iranians view current events at home,
xxxxxxxxxxxx opined that, "Some people might not like individual
leaders or clerics, but overall, they want an Islamic form of
government. That's why people are basically happy with the
regime." On the question of how Iranians view the U.S., he
said, "Obama promised a lot when he was running for
president. He said he would end the U.S. occupation in Iraq
and Afghanistan and close Guantanamo, but he's done none of
it."
xxxxxxxxxxxx said that in his view, neither military action was
justified, including the war in Afghanistan. "Don't
Americans understand about 9/11? The whole thing was devised

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:26 am

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Plutonia, thanks for the article by Paul Martin Eve, and I hope to see you posting more!

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By translating the bible into the vernacular they declassified the bible, which had been effectively a state secret up to that point.


Now check out this brilliance from Jimmy Johnson, who I've not read before. I thought about posting it on a new thread, because he goes into a Trevor Paglen-type geography of the classified universe (our "dark matter") and the history of secrecy and "literacy" (meaning: the means of access). Are these not perhaps the central concern of RI? He spans millennia in the first half before getting into Wikileaks in the second. I also enjoy the insights into "derivative secrecy." After the Wikileaks thread proliferation subsides, I might post it again...

http://counterpunch.org/johnson12092010.html

December 9, 2010
Of Wikileaks and Literacy
The Secret Secret

By JIMMY JOHNSON

If you cannot decipher and interpret letters and symbols, you cannot read. If you cannot access letters and symbols, you also cannot read. This is a common understanding and in many ways, such as leaving out the capacity for critical analysis and the ability to write, is as reductive an understanding of the concept of literacy as exists. Public libraries are underfunded and many are cutting staff, services and hours which attacks our collective literacy. There is another, arguably greater, threat to our collective literacy, one that grossly restricts the amount of publicly available literature and serves severe imbalances of power: state secrecy. State secrecy is generally thought of as a matter of national security, or perhaps governmental transparency, but we should also view it as a matter of literacy. And we should consider Wikileaks to be a literacy organization.

This might initially sound a bit off. But as one of the fundamentals of literacy is access to literature, it is a serious problem for the scope of the classified universe is simply staggering yet, as begets secrecy, little known. "In fact," Harvard's Peter Galison wrote in 2004, "the classified universe as it is sometimes called is certainly not smaller, and very probably much larger than [the] unclassified one." He continued, "the U.S. added a net 250 million classified pages [in 2003]. By comparison, the entire system of Harvard libraries—over a hundred of them—added about 220,000 volumes (about sixty million pages, a number not far from the acquisition rate at other comparably massive universal depositories such as the Library of Congress, the British Museum, or the New York Public Library). Contemplate these numbers: about five times as many pages are being added to the classified universe than are being brought to the storehouses of human learning including all the books and journals on any subject in any language collected in the largest repositories on the planet." Using Galison's methodology, it would take the annual page count for all published titles (including new editions and reprints) in the U.S., United Kingdom, China, Russia and Germany - the nations with the five largest outputs of new titles totaling around 835,000 - to match that of the classified world in the U.S. alone.*

There are drastically conflicting sets of numbers from the Information Security Oversight Office, the U.S. government agency in charge of classification of documents and data, about the amount of material classified. Either, after an initial post-Cold War drop off, there was a slow rise in the amount of classified documents until a fairly drastic increase in 2000, or it has been increasing somewhat steadily during this entire period with a couple of small bumps in 2000 and 2005 (the discrepancies relate to numbers of 'derivative classifications', to which I'll return shortly). It is perhaps not surprising to find information about state secrecy to be somewhat unenlightening, but what all sets of such documents agree on is that the current levels are a very significant increase and that the short- and medium-term trends are for the growth of the 'dark world' to continue.

Part of the growth of the dark world is through derivative classification. The number of original classification actions taken in 2008 was 203,541. Derivative classifications are classifications of materials that make use of an originally classified document. In short, the classified document itself is secret, but also uses of and references to it can be secret. And uses of and references to the references can be secret. And so on. Thus the number of derivative classification actions in 2008 numbered over one hundred times the number of original classifications, at 23,217,557. Something secret has to develop more forms of secrecy in order to keep itself secret, thus the classified universe, in the words of geographer Trevor Paglen, "tends to sculpt the world around it in its own image." How, after all, can a secret be transparently discussed?

As alarming as it is that state secrecy easily snowballs, the power dynamic supporting those who hold secret clearances is equally disturbing. Only those with proper clearances can participate in discussions that affect significant aspects of our lives. Certain technological achievements, our collective ethical decisions (torture, secret prisons, air strikes, etc.), our collective behavior towards other nations and peoples (foreign policy discussions) and more are often obscured by state secrecy. Like the medieval clergy, those holding classified clearances are the sole legitimate interpreters of the 'really important' knowledge. In effect, they are a caste that guides our political and technological cosmologies despite the common view of the U.S. as a nation where ideas can be, and are, freely exchanged. As Galison wrote, "Our commonsense picture may well be far too sanguine, even inverted. The closed world is not a small strongbox in the corner of our collective house of codified and stored knowledge. It is we in the open world—we who study the world lodged in our libraries, from aardvarks to zymurgy, we who are living in a modest information booth facing outwards, our unseeing backs to a vast and classified empire we barely know.

In his recent The Art of Not Being Governed, James C. Scott notes, "[I]t should go without saying that until very recently the literate elite of the valley states were a tiny minority of the total subject population." He was referring specifically to Southeast Asia but the same is applicable, he notes, in "all premodern societies". Pre-modern literacy was overwhelmingly biased towards justifying state and clerical power or dictating its use. Military or labor conscription, holy texts governing the legitimate social and philosophical orders, descriptions of royal and clerical lineages, and census data and tax rolls dominated written texts until quite recently. The ability to develop, manipulate and interpret - and thus benefit from - these literate materials was in the hands of a tiny literate elite; "almost certainly less than 1 percent," according to Scott. For this reason attempts to expand literacy were attacked with the most severe punishments. Literacy had the potential to subvert such skewed power relationships by opening up the legitimate knowledge for public scrutiny.

The Roman Catholic Church in the 14th century held rigid control over the rituals designating legitimate pathways to salvation and the clergy had significant sway over secular officials, whose legitimacy was largely dependent upon clerical approval. The Church rituals - mass and communion - were conducted in Latin, a language in which almost all were illiterate, mitigating any challenge to Church authority. A key element leading to the Protestant Reformation and the subversion of Roman Catholic dominance was the efforts to translate the bible into the vernacular led by John Wycliffe, William Tyndale and others. By translating the bible into the vernacular they declassified the bible, which had been effectively a state secret up to that point. This did not mean that anyone and everyone could then read the bible, the question of mass literacy is still being addressed today. But it rendered it possible to anyone with the ability to read and the mysteries of god became accessible and clerical power began to wane.

The ability for laypersons to examine the claims of the Medieval and Renaissance clergy was necessary for the power relationship itself to be rethought. Those without access to the bible, without literacy, had no standing to challenge or dispute the authority and interpretations of the clergy such as the 1252 papal bull Ad extirpanda, the Inquisition's Torture Memos. This stigma - a delegitimization of nonliterate knowledge - of what is now termed illiteracy remains. Keeping with the analogy, the expression of opinion by illiterate (those without secret clearances) commentators is stigmatized when confronted with those holding classified clearances.

When Secretary of State Colin Powell made the case to the United Nations Security Council in February, 2003 for the U.S. invasion of Iraq, he invoked the power of access to the classified world. "I cannot tell you everything that we know," Powell stated, "but what I can share with you, when combined with what all of us have learned over the years, is deeply troubling." And despite his trust-me-I-have-the-goods declaration that "every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources," it has been definitively proven that the claims of Iraq's weapons programs and the Hussein regime's alliance with Al-Qaida were grossly exaggerated and falsified (here leaving aside the important question of whether such claims, if accurate, would then have justified war). As the other major agitator for the war, the United Kingdom offers analogous examples with Prime Minister Tony Blair pitching UK participation on the infamous September and Dodgy Dossiers.

Sec. Powell certainly had access to classified information that the public, dissidents and scholars did not. This did not lead him nor the U.S. political and military leadership, most of which also had access to classified intelligence, to make wise decisions or produce informed analysis any more than the Latin literacy of the Medieval clergy allowed a superior understanding of the mind of god (unless one hold a Pro-Inquisition stance...). In fact, the dissenting opinions of scholars and activists opposed to the war have proven far more accurate than the claims made by the Bush and Blair administrations. It was not insight from classified information that earned the public's trust of Sec. Powell, but the authority, power and legitimacy granted to holders of classified clearances.

That sound analysis can often be done without classified access is important and empowering, but it does not illuminate what is secret. Knowing today that there are secret prisons, military bases and drone attacks does not allow us to know what's going on with them, or often even what guides the policies. We might make semi-informed conclusions about parts but we cannot account for the phenomena because we are not allowed to count them in the first place. The literature is forbidden, and we are thus illiterate.

For his efforts Tyndale was strangled then burned as a heretic and the Church was so horrified about Wycliffe's radical legacy that his remains were dug up and he was burned at the stake posthumously. They saw, accurately, that the revealing of previously secret knowledge to the masses would make the clergy's social and political positions progressively less powerful. In exposing today's privileged knowledge, Wikileaks may indeed threaten the perpetuation of certain practices of the powerful. The reactions to Wikileaks, its editor-in-chief Julian Assange, and alleged source PFC Bradley Manning are certainly indicative of a perceived threat of that magnitude. Assange is facing public calls by prominent figures for his assassination. He risks having his passport stripped in Australia and there are police investigations into Wikileaks and Assange in numerous countries. Manning is already jailed and is awaiting trial on the charge he leaked a video showing a 2007 U.S. helicopter attack in Baghdad which killed several civilians, including media personnel.

Sec. of State Hillary Clinton has called the 29 November release of diplomatic cables "an attack on the international community." White House spokesperson Robert Gibbs said the leaks "risk our ability to do our foreign policy". Gen. David Petraeus called the July release of tens of thousands of Afghanistan War documents "reprehensible". Adm. Mike Mullen said Wikileaks "might already have on their hands the blood of some young soldier or that of an Afghan family". Sen. John Kerry called the release of diplomatic cables a "reckless action which jeopardizes lives" and Sen. Joe Lieberman called it "nothing less than an attack on the national security of the United States." New York Rep. Peter King went so far as to request the Obama administration "determine whether WikiLeaks could be designated a foreign terrorist organization" noting that it "presents a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States."

Michigan Rep. Peter Hoekstra called the Wikileaks release "a colossal failure by our intel community" and called for even more stringent and compartmentalized secrecy. Sec. Clinton "directed that specific actions be taken at the State Department, in addition to new security safeguards at the Department of Defense and elsewhere to protect State Department information so that this kind of breach cannot and does not ever happen again." In other words, the solution is a reaffirmation of state secrecy and its further entrenchment. State secrecy itself is not to be addressed. It is no exaggeration to parallel these reactions to the decisions to disinter Wycliffe's remains and burn them at the stake, especially since the accusations of Wikileaks and Assange having "blood on their hands" have been definitively refuted. The breaching of secrecy has not led to physical harm any more than translating the bible into English led to the killings of the clergy. Clerical power was subverted. And now U.S. policy is being subverted.

One last basic element about state secrecy must be brought into question. Nothing, not even nuclear weapons research which is known as being "born secret", is secret before it, in idea or form, exists. That would be actual nonexistence whereas secrecy purports really existing things to be nonexistent. For this reason Galison titled his article "Removing Knowledge". He wrote, "Epistemology asks how knowledge can be uncovered and secured. Anti-epistemology asks how knowledge can be covered and obscured. Classification, the anti-epistemology par excellence, is the art of nontransmission." By obscuring literature on the volume it does, state secrecy begins an "illiteracization" of the populace. Removing and restricting knowledge creates literate and illiterate castes.** Illiteracization from state secrecy has dramatic consequences for our understanding, and thus shaping, of our own history. As Paglen wrote, "In terms of numbers of pages, more of our own recent history is classified than is not. ... Our own history, in large part, has become a state secret."

It is common sense that some things must be kept secret for the greater good. Despite modern state secrecy being barely half a century old, this is deeply ingrained in the public mind. We accept it so unquestioningly that when Gibbs followed, "President Obama, as you know from the campaign, is a huge proponent of open and transparent government," with, "But clearly the revelation of 250,000 documents that are highly classified is dangerous and is a threat to our ability to conduct foreign policy," the obvious contradictions were not even jarring. So dominant is the positive narrative of state secrecy that such basic questions like, "If something is too dangerous or embarrassing to even talk about, perhaps we should not do that thing," seem starry-eyed and hopelessly naive. But that it is common sense does not mean it is good sense and when the volume of secret literature exceeds that of the transparent world it is a question that must be asked. This modern development of an exclusively literate caste holding 'legitimate knowledge' is, at best, a highly questionable outcome.

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* As Galison notes in his article, the proliferation of abbreviated communication forms such as text, chat, and instant messaging might radically change the estimated page counts of each classified document. This does not significantly change the thesis. Even a 70% reduction of the average page count per classified document would still match that of all the books annually published in the United States or obtained by the U.S. Library of Congress.

** I used the term 'illiterate' (and derivatives thereof) as opposed to 'nonliterate' to better reflect the stigmatization of those lacking the literacy and the power dynamic created between the groups. This stigmatization is real, the distinction in word selection might not be.


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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby nathan28 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:29 am

ALICE, I FOUND YOUR MAN. FOR REAL.



¶B. (S/NF) USG Concern: U.S.-indicted crime boss Semyon
Mogilevich
probably uses RZB and its subsidiary Raiffeisen
Investment Holding AG (RIAG)
as a front to provide legitimacy
to the gas company that we suspect he controls, RosUkrEnergo
(RUE). RUE makes direct payments of $360,000 annually to
each of two RIAG executives in "consulting fees." We assess
that the payments probably are bribes for RIAG to maintain
the front for Mogilevich (ref D).


Mogilevich is, if you couldn't figure that out, Jewish, of Russian/Ukrainian descent. He and his lieutenants and operated out of Israel long enough that he owns or owned a large number of legitimate enterprises there (and every fucking where else).

So. There's you're arms-trading money-laundering billionaire Israeli narco-pedo-trafficking oligarch. There. In the Cables.

Posting the full text of the 12 year old Villiage Voice story to the Data Dump.

26 May 1998 Village Voice (direct link) The Most Dangerous Mobster in the World
Story archived at Data Dump: here.




Also, here's a cable out of Tel Aviv, about organized crime. No, it does not portray Israel as a helpless victim of foreign bad guys, and suggests a relative lack of commitment to enforcement. "Israeli OC Operating Freely in United States" is hardly "oh poor Israelis" language.



http://213.251.145.96/cable/2009/05/09TELAVIV1098.html

VZCZCXYZ0018
RR RUEHWEB

DE RUEHTV #1098/01 1351414
ZNR UUUUU ZZH (CCY AD66A605 MSI9229-632)
R 151414Z MAY 09 ZDS
FM AMEMBASSY TEL AVIV
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC 1845
INFO RUEHJM/AMCONSUL JERUSALEM 2041
RUCNFB/FBI WASHDC//INTD/CTD/CT WATCH//
RHMFIUU/US CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION WASHDC
RUEAHLC/HOMELAND SECURITY CENTER WASHDC 0068
RUEHRO/AMEMBASSY ROME 7509
UNCLAS TEL AVIV 001098

C O R R E C T E D C O P Y (CORRECTED ADDEE)

DEPT FOR CA/VO/L/C; CA/VO/L/A; CA/FPP SARAH SEXTON; INR/TIPOFF; DS
OFAC
ROME FOR DHS/ICE

CA/FPP: PLEASE PASS TO DOJ LISA HOLTYN AND BRUCE OHR
SIPDIS

E.O. 12958:N/A
TAGS: CVIS SNAR CMGT KFRD KCOR KCRM KTIP PINR IS
SUBJECT: ISRAEL, A PROMISED LAND FOR ORGANISED CRIME?

Summary
---------

¶1. (SBU) Organized crime (OC) has longstanding roots in Israel, but
in recent years there has been a sharp increase in the reach and
impact of OC networks. In seeking a competitive advantage in such
lucrative trades as narcotics and prostitution, Israeli crime groups
have demonstrated their ability and willingness to engage in violent
attacks on each other with little regard for innocent bystanders.
The Israeli National Police (INP) and the courts have engaged in a
vigorous campaign against organized crime leaders, including the
creation of a new specialized anti-OC unit, but they remain unable
to cope with the full scope of the problem. Organized crime in
Israel now has global reach, with direct impact inside the United
States. Post is currently utilizing all available tools to deny
Israeli OC figures access to the United States in order to prevent
them from furthering their criminal activities on U.S. soil. End
Summary.

Crime War Hits the Streets of Israel
-------------------------------------

¶2. (SBU) In November 2008, Israeli crime boss Yaakov Alperon was
assassinated in broad daylight in a gruesome attack on the streets
of Tel Aviv, only about a mile away from the Embassy. According to
several media accounts, a motor scooter pulled up alongside
Alperon's car and the rider attached a sophisticated explosive
device with a remote detonator to the car door. The bomb killed
Alperon and his driver, and injured two innocent pedestrians. The
hit was the latest in a series of violent attacks and reprisals, and
indicated a widening crime war in Israel.

¶3. In July 2008, a 31-year-old Israeli woman was killed by a stray
bullet on the beach in Bat Yam in front of her husband and two
children during a failed assassination attempt on noted crime figure
Rami Amira. In a feud between the Abutbul and Shirazi clans, crime
boss Shalom "Charlie" Abutbul was shot by two gunmen in September
2008, an attack that also wounded three bystanders. In December
2008, Charlie Abutbul's son-in-law, Nati Ohayon, was gunned down in
his car in Netanya. Before the fatal bombing of his car, Alperon
himself had survived at least three previous attempts on his life
before his assassination, and was engaged in an ongoing feud with
the rival Abergil clan (although there are numerous suspects in
Alperon's murder). The day after Alperon's death, two members of
the Abergil syndicate were sentenced for conspiring to kill
Alperon's brother, Nissim, in May 2008.

¶4. (SBU) In response to rising concerns for public safety, former
Prime Minister Olmert convened an emergency meeting of top law
enforcement officials, cabinet members, and prosecutors in December
¶2008. He promised to add 1,000 officers to the INP and to allocate
approximately NIS 340 million (USD 81 million) to improve the INP's
technical capabilities. In general, the rise in OC-related violence
has led some public figures to call for emergency state powers to
attack criminal organizations, and OC became a minor but important
issue in the February 2009 Knesset elections. Former Labor Party MK
Ephraim Sneh publicly decried criminal extortion in his campaign
ads, only to have his car torched in apparent retaliation outside
his home in Herzliya.

Background
------------

¶5. (SBU) Organized criminal activity is not a new phenomenon in
Israel, and major crime families are well known to the Israeli
public (the Alperons even featured in a recent reality television
program). Five or six crime families have traditionally dominated
OC in Israel, although the names and makeup of these syndicates have
fluctuated in recent years. The Abergil, Abutbul, Alperon, and
Rosenstein organizations are among the most well known, but recent
arrests and assassinations have created a power vacuum at the top.

New names such as Mulner, Shirazi, Cohen and Domrani have moved
quickly to fill the gap. Other up-and-coming groups include the
Harari, Ohana, and Kdoshim families.
There are also a number of
rival families active in the underworld of Israel's Arab sector.

¶6. (SBU) Traditional OC activities in Israel include illegal
neighborhood casinos, prostitution rings, extortion, and loan
sharking, with each family controlling a different geographic
region. The Alperon family, for instance, dominates the Sharon
region, while the Abutbul operation is based in the coastal city of
Netanya. The focus is largely on easy money guaranteed by the
limited use of violence. Criminal involvement in the recycling
business, for example, has been well covered in the press. OC

families collect bottles illegally from municipal recycling bins and
restaurants,
return them at the collection centers claiming twice
the actual numbers, and pocket the change for millions in profits.

Not Your Grandfather's Mob
---------------------------

¶7. (SBU) Despite their notoriety, OC figures have generally been
viewed as a nuisance to be handled by local police. Law enforcement
resources were directed to more existential security threats from
terrorists and enemy states. In recent years, however, the rules of
the game have changed.
According to xxxxx, the old school of Israel
OC is giving way to a new, more violent, breed of crime. xxxxx told conoffs that the new style of
crime features knowledge of hi-tech explosives acquired from service
in the Israeli Defense Forces, and a willingness to use
indiscriminate violence, at least against rival gang leaders. New
OC business also includes technology-related crimes, such as stock
market and credit card fraud, and operates on a global scale.




¶8. (SBU) As the reach of Israeli OC has grown, so have the stakes.
Crime families are working further from home and exporting violence
abroad. Older gambling schemes have grown to include sprawling
casino franchises in Eastern Europe. The Abutbul family began its
gambling business in Romania over a decade ago, and now owns the
Europe-wide Casino Royale network. In 2002, Israeli OC turf wars
spilled into Europe
when Yaakov Abergil and Felix Abutbul were
killed two months apart. Abutbul was gunned down in front of his
casino in Prague in a show of force by the Abergils as they
attempted to capture a portion of the European gambling market.

¶9. (SBU) Israeli OC now plays a significant role in the global drug
trade, providing both a local consumer market and an important
transit point to Europe and the United States.
In 2004, Zeev
Rosenstein was arrested in Israel for possession of 700,000 ecstasy
tablets in his New York apartment, destined for distribution in the
U.S. market. He was ultimately extradited to the United States in
2006, where he is currently serving a 12-year prison sentence. Two
other crime figures, Meir Abergil and Israel Ozifa, are also facing
U.S. extradition charges on charges that include smuggling 100,000
ecstasy tablets into the United States.

¶10. (SBU) The prostitution business has also grown beyond the
neighborhood brothel. In March 2009, the INP arrested twelve
suspects in what is believed to be the largest Israeli-led human
trafficking network
unearthed to date. Ring leader Rami Saban and
his associates were charged with smuggling thousands of women from
the former Soviet Union and forcing them to work as prostitutes in
Israel, Cyprus, Belgium, and Great Britain. Some women were flown
to Egypt and smuggled across the Sinai border by Bedouins.


Law Enforcement Steps up the Pressure
-------------------------------------

¶11. (SBU) After years of perceived inaction, in 2008 the INP
created a new unit called Lahav 433. The elite unit operates under
the direct command of the police commissioner, and is charged
specifically with infiltrating and eliminating Israel's major crime
syndicates. Lahav 433 also cooperates closely with district
investigative units to combat smaller criminal organizations, many
of which are aligned with the larger crime families.

¶12. (SBU) Following Alperon's assassination, the INP initiated a
series of raids that led to the arrests of a number of leading crime
figures. Among their targets were Aviv and Adam Abutbul, sons of
crime-family head Charlie Abutbul, both charged with possession of
illegal weapons. (A third brother, Francois, is already facing
murder charges for a nightclub killing in 2004.) Police also
arrested gangland figure Amir Mulner for weapons possession and
conspiracy to commit a crime. Mulner is known to be an explosives
expert by army training, and is a suspect in Yaakov Alperon's
murder. He is also believed to be managing affairs for Rosenstein
while the latter serves his sentence in the United States.

¶13. (SBU) Yaakov Alperon's brother Nissim was arrested with 18
others in December 2008, in what was reported to be a "mafia
meeting" in a Tel Aviv-area caf. According to the Jerusalem Post,
the group may have been planning a revenge attack for his brother's
recent assassination. Alperon's son Dror, recently dismissed from
his army service for disorderly behavior, also faces several counts
of assault and was convicted on extortion charges. Also in
December, police in Netanya launched several raids on illegal
gambling houses and the homes of suspected money launderers with
ties to the crime families. In Ashdod, brothers Roni and David
Harari were arrested on charges of extortion. Regional police stuck
a blow against the Jerusalem Gang, and convicted its leader Itzik
Bar Muha.

Skepticism Hovers Over GOI Efforts
----------------------------------

¶14. (SBU)xxxxx told conoffs that
"thousands of foot soldiers" remain active on the streets despite
these aggressive anti-OC operations. He noted that approximately
2,000 people attended Alperon's very public funeral. xxxxx
expressed skepticism that recent arrests will bear fruit in the long
term without a sustained commitment to enforcement. He noted that
many of the crime leaders remain active while in prison and their
operations are not hampered significantly even when they are
convicted and jailed.
[DUH]

¶15. (SBU) In December 2008, former Prime Minister Olmert himself
admitted that efforts to combat OC have long been diluted among
different agencies,
and that INP technology lags far behind that
allocated to security services for counterterrorism. Given the
recent change in government and the current economic crisis, there
is public skepticism as to whether GOI promises to remedy the
situation will be fulfilled. In 2003, following a failed
assassination attempt on Rosenstein, then Prime Minister Ariel
Sharon made similar promises to commit manpower and resources to
combating the problem.

¶16. (SBU) It is not entirely clear to what extent OC elements have
penetrated the Israeli establishment and corrupted public officials.

The INP insists that such instances are rare, despite the
occasional revelation of crooked police officers in the press.
Nevertheless, there have been several dramatic revelations in recent
years that indicate a growing problem. In 2004, former government
minister Gonen Segev was arrested for trying to smuggle thousands of
ecstasy pills into Israel,
a case that produced considerable
circumstantial evidence of his involvement in OC. The election of
Inbal Gavrieli to the Knesset in 2003 as a member of Likud raised
concerns about OC influence in the party's Central Committee.
Gavrieli is the daughter of a suspected crime boss, and she
attempted to use her parliamentary immunity to block investigations
into her father's business. (Gavrieli is no longer a member of the
Knesset.) Just last month, Israeli politicos and OC figures came
together for the funeral of Likud party activist Shlomi Oz, who
served time in prison in the 1990s for extortion on behalf of the
Alperon family. Among those in attendance was Omri Sharon, son of
former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon,
who was himself convicted in
2006 on illegal fundraising charges unrelated to OC.

Courts Testing New Powers
--------------------------

¶17. (SBU) In 2003, the GOI passed anti-OC legislation that carries
a maximum sentence of 10 years imprisonment for heading a criminal
organization and three years for working in such an organization.
The law defines such a body as a group of people working in an
"organized, methodical and ongoing pattern to commit offenses that
are defined by the laws of Israel as crimes." The law also allows
for property forfeiture, both in the wake of conviction and in cases
where it is proven to belong to a criminal organization.

¶18. (SBU) Until recently, xxxxx, judges and lawyers have been
slow to make use of this authority, and are hampered by a lack of
resources, insufficient understanding of the tools at their
disposal, and reticence to mete out tough sentences. A witness
protection program for those who testify against OC is just now
getting off the ground, and is not backed by any specific
legislation. Nevertheless, on March 16th, a Tel Aviv district court
took the important step of sentencing 14 convicted criminals
belonging to two mob organizations in Ramle and Jaffa to up to 27
years in prison.

¶19. (SBU) Increased efforts by Israeli authorities to combat OC
have engendered retaliatory threats of violence. Recent press
reports indicate that as many as 10 Israeli judges are currently
receiving 24-hour protection
by the police against the threat of
violence from members of crime organizations. Israeli OC appears to
be intent on intimidating judges personally, as a way of influencing
the legal process. Judges in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and Haifa have
been assigned police protection, underscoring the depth of the
problem.

Israeli Crime Reaches American Shores
--------------------------------------

¶20. (SBU) Israel's multi-ethnic population provides a deep well of
opportunity for Israeli OC to expand into new territory. Most
Israeli crime families trace their roots to North Africa or Eastern
Europe, and many of their Israeli operatives hold foreign passports
allowing them to move freely in European countries, most of which
participate in the visa waiver program with the United States.
Approximately one million Russians moved to Israel following the
dissolution of the Soviet Union, and Russian citizens no longer
require visas to enter Israel. Many Russian oligarchs of Jewish
origin and Jewish members of OC groups have received Israeli
citizenship, or at least maintain residences in the country. Little
is known about the full extent of Russian criminal activity in
Israel, but sources in the police estimate that Russian OC has
laundered as much as USD 10 billion through Israeli holdings
. While
most Israeli OC families are native-born and the stereotype that
Russian immigrants tend to be mobsters is greatly overblown,
indigenous OC groups routinely employ "muscle" from the former
Soviet Union.


¶21. (SBU) The profit motive serves as a great unifier among
Israel's diverse demographic groups. According to xxxxx, some
Amsterdam-based Hasidic groups allegedly are implicated in
international drug smuggling through links to Israeli OC. Arab and
Jewish Israeli criminals routinely cooperate and form alliances
to
expand control of lucrative drug, car theft and extortion rackets.
Even hostile and closed borders pose few obstacles to OC groups.
According to the INP, 43% of intercepted heroin in 2008 was smuggled
from Lebanon, 37% from Jordan, and 12% from Egypt.


Israeli OC Operating Freely in United States
---------------------------------------------

¶22. (SBU) Given the volume of travel and trade between the United
States and Israel, it is not surprising that Israeli OC has also
gained a foothold in America
. Over the last decade, media reports
have detailed a number of high-profile cases involving Israeli OC,
ranging from large-scale drug deals to murder. The ongoing Central
District of California grand jury investigation against the Abergil
family, where a RICO conspiracy case was initiated in December 2007,
best demonstrates the full extent of such criminal activity.
Investigators have linked Yitzhak Abergil and his entire network to
crimes of "embezzlement, extortion, kidnapping, and money
laundering." Yitzhak Abergil is currently under arrest in Israel
and facing extradition for related charges linking him to the murder
of Israeli drug dealer Samy Attias on U.S. soil.

¶23. (SBU) As part of an ongoing effort to track Israeli OC through
media reports and police sources, Post so far has identified 16
families and 78 related individuals who are at the center of Israeli
organized criminal activity. The consular section has revoked
several visas for those who have been convicted of crimes in Israel,
but many OC figures have no prior criminal convictions and carry no
visa ineligibilities. As a result, many hold valid nonimmigrant
visas to the United States and have traveled freely or attempted to
travel for a variety of purposes.

¶24. (SBU) In March 2009, Post received information from law
enforcement authorities that convicted criminal and member of the
Abergil organization, Mordechai Yair Hasin, along with his pregnant
wife and child, was intending to flee Israel for Los Angeles on
valid tourist visas. Hasin's visa was revoked based on his
conviction, as were his family's visas after they were determined to
be intending immigrants.

¶25. (SBU) As in the Hasin case, Post is using every available tool
to limit OC travel to the United States, but such efforts are not
always successful.
In June 2008, Post issued Adam Abitbul a valid
tourist visa. Abitbul had no prior criminal convictions, and
carried no visa ineligibilities. Several months later, Post
received information from the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD)
that he had traveled to the United States to carry out a hit.
Abitbul returned to Israel prematurely for his father's funeral, at
which time Post revoked his visa. (Post can only revoke the visas of
Israeli citizens while in country.) In a similar case, in October
2008 Post issued Moshe Bar Muha a tourist visa; he claimed to be
traveling for medical treatment. Post subsequently received
information from the LAPD that Bar Muha is in fact the brother of
Itzik Bar Muha of the Jerusalem Gang (see above) and a convicted
criminal.

¶26. (SBU) As recently as March 2009, Zvika Ben Shabat, Yaacov
Avitan, and Tzuri Rokah requested visas to attend a
"security-related convention" in Las Vegas.
According to local
media reports, all three had involvement with OC. Post asked the
applicants to provide police reports for any criminal records in
Israel, but without such evidence there is no immediate
ineligibility for links to OC. Luckily, all three have so far
failed to return for continued adjudication of their applications.
Nevertheless, it is fair to assume that many known OC figures hold
valid tourist visas to the United States and travel freely.

Comment: Israeli OC Slipping Through the Consular Cracks
--------------------------------------------- ---------

¶27. (SBU) Given the growing reach and lethal methods of Israeli OC,
blocking the travel of known OC figures to the United States is a
matter of great concern to Post. Through collaboration with Israeli
and U.S. law enforcement authorities, Post has developed an
extensive database and placed lookouts for OC figures and their foot
soldiers. Nevertheless, the above visa cases demonstrate the
challenges that have arisen since the termination of the Visas Shark
in September 2008. Unlike OC groups from the former Soviet Union,
Italy, China, and Central America, application of INA
212(a)(3)(A)(ii) against Israeli OC is not specifically authorized
per Foreign Affairs Manual 40.31 N5.3. As such, Israelis who are
known to work for or belong to OC families are not automatically
ineligible for travel to the United States.


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