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Yet Another Wikileaks Thread (UFO Disclosures)

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:32 am

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Since every new thread title should have either the word Wiki or Leaks in it, if not both, I thought I'd start up one of my own.

I think there will be things to say here in the near future that might not fit well in the other threads.

Julian Assange (during his live Q+A with The Guardian, as reported earlier by gnosticheresy) just said this:

achanth
Mr Assange,
have there ever been documents forwarded to you which deal with the topic of UFOs or extraterrestrials?

Julian Assange:
Many weirdos email us about UFOs or how they discovered that they were the anti-christ whilst talking with their ex-wife at a garden party over a pot-plant. However, as yet they have not satisfied two of our publishing rules.
1) that the documents not be self-authored;
2) that they be original.

However, it is worth noting that in yet-to-be-published parts of the cablegate archive there are indeed references to UFOs.


All his answers can be read here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 ... -wikileaks

Maybe he's just doing his hype thing.
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Re: Yet Another Wikileaks Thread (UFO Disclosures)

Postby elfismiles » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:04 am

Thanks AOL, was just about to post this but searched first and voila - yer on the case!

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Re: Yet Another Wikileaks Thread (UFO Disclosures)

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:27 am

British UFO Hacker Fights Extradition to US
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(Dec. 3) -- When Gary McKinnon decided to try to find secret UFO files, he did what any curious computer expert would do: He hacked into nearly 100 military and NASA computers until he was finally caught. Eight years later, the Briton awaits his legal fate.

As controversy swirls around WikiLeaks, the website that this week released secret diplomatic cables without authorization, one of the documents in question contains information about McKinnon, whose lengthy extradition case still has England buzzing, The Guardian newspaper reports.

McKinnon, 44, who suffers from Asperger's syndrome -- an autism disorder that can lead to obsessive behavior -- is accused of illegally gaining access to military files. He's never denied his unauthorized hacking activities between February 2001 and March 2002. After he was caught in 2002, he was charged with hacking into the Army, Navy, Air Force, Defense Department and NASA computers.


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Computer hacker Gary McKinnon leaves Bow Street Magistrates on April 12, 2006, in London. He still awaits word on if he'll be extradited to the U.S. for prosecution.
He has steadfastly stuck to the same story: that he was looking for secret files about UFOs, extraterrestrials, anti-gravity technology and evidence of free-energy sources that could presumably be used by everybody on Earth.

"I was in search of suppressed technology, laughingly referred to as UFO technology," McKinnon said in a televised interview. "I think it's the biggest-kept secret in the world. ... I was searching for files and evidence in relation to the UFO question."

Among the things McKinnon claims to have uncovered in his hackings was a startling image he found in a computer at the Johnson Space Center: "It was a picture of something that definitely wasn't man-made. It was above the Earth's hemisphere. ... It was cigar-shaped. It had geodesic domes above, below, to the left, to the right and both ends. Although it was a low-resolution picture, it was very close up.

"This thing was hanging in space, the Earth's hemisphere was visible below it. [It had] no seams and none of the stuff associated with normal man-made manufacturing."

The British and U.S. governments didn't take lightly to McKinnon's unlawful pursuit, and, understandably, America wants the U.K. to extradite McKinnon for prosecution.

The WikiLeaks document that mentions McKinnon's case revealed former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's unsuccessful attempt to convince officials in Washington to allow McKinnon to serve out any prison sentence in England.

In the 2009 document, U.S. Ambassador Louis B. Susman wrote to Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton: "McKinnon has gained enormous popular sympathy in his appeal against extradition; the U.K.'s final decision is pending.

"Brown, in a one-on-one meeting with the ambassador, proposed a deal: that McKinnon plead guilty, make a statement of contrition, but serve any sentence of incarceration in the U.K.

"Brown cited deep public concern that McKinnon, with his medical condition, would commit suicide or suffer injury if imprisoned in a U.S. facility."

McKinnon's computer hacking could ultimately land him behind bars for 60 years. And his search for UFO information has certainly ruffled the feathers of officials from one side of the pond to the other.

Both President Barack Obama and new British Prime Minister David Cameron referred to McKinnon's case at a joint White House news conference in July.

"There's a discussion going on between the British and the Americans about this," Cameron said. "We completely understand that Gary McKinnon stands accused of a very important and significant crime in terms of hacking into vital databases, and nobody denies that that is an important crime that has to be considered.

"I have had conversations with the U.S. ambassador as well as raising it today with the president about this issue, and I hope a way through can be found."

Obama immediately responded: "The truth of the matter is, these days, where we're going to see enormous amounts of vulnerability when it comes to information, is going to be through these kind of breaches in our information systems. So, we take this very seriously.

"The president doesn't get involved in decisions around prosecutions, extradition matters," Obama said. "So what I expect is that my team will follow the law ... and I trust that this will get resolved in a way that underscores the seriousness of the issue, but also underscores the fact that we work together and we can find an appropriate solution."

Despite his hacking endeavor, McKinnon is considered somewhat of a folk hero in the U.K., where bloggers praise him as a national hero and patriot for trying to uncover UFO information by any means possible.

When asked what he thought would be a suitable punishment for his actions, he replied, "Because of what I was looking for, I think I was morally correct, even though I regret it now. I think a free-energy technology should be publicly available.

"I want to be tried in my own country, under the Computer Misuse Act, and I want evidence brought forward, or at least want the Americans to have to provide evidence in order to extradite me, because I know there is no evidence of damage, and that is the main brunt of the charges."
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Re: Yet Another Wikileaks Thread (UFO Disclosures)

Postby crikkett » Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:52 pm

Wouldn't it be something else if Julian's "insurance file" is plans for a free-energy device?

(Of course that's not what it is, or the photo spread of the wikileaks bunker wouldn't feature internal-combustion generators)

(or would it)

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Re: Yet Another Wikileaks Thread (UFO Disclosures)

Postby Montag » Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:56 pm

Ah yes, 9/11 is a "false conspiracy" and those "ufo weirdos" -- that believe they are the anti-christ -- just keep bugging him at odd hours. Image

update: Oh, I see that was an or not an and there. I guess the ufo weirdos and the anti-christ weirdos are separate categories.
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Re: Yet Another Wikileaks Thread (UFO Disclosures)

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:38 am

Montag wrote:Ah yes, 9/11 is a "false conspiracy" and those "ufo weirdos" -- that believe they are the anti-christ -- just keep bugging him at odd hours. Image

update: Oh, I see that was an or not an and there. I guess the ufo weirdos and the anti-christ weirdos are separate categories.


I don't like Assange's attitude toward 9/11 or UFOs - especially 9/11, which he should at least be circumspect about - but I can sort of understand his weariness if Wikileaks is recieving tons of non-classified, possibly hand-written mail along the lines of "Top Secret: How I Personally Fought And Killed Six Greys and a Tall White... In The Halls Of The Mountain King!". They probably get an awful lot of that stuff, and it's not their job to bother with it - although I doubt Assange himself takes much part in vetting the material nowadays anyway, so he should quit his complaining.

SLAD, I should've known that the UFO docs would almost exclusively be to do with Mckinnon's case. I'm still hoping for something more, though. Nothing major, nothing world-changing. But with airports in China and the US being repeatedly buzzed by UFOs, and retired Pentagon guys claiming UFOs are interfering with their nuclear weapons, they would seem to present a "security risk" at the very least. It would be odd if there were no mention of them at all other than those related to McKinnon.

Then again, these are only diplomatic cables, and Wikileaks can only publish what they're given - maybe that is all we'll get.
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Re: Yet Another Wikileaks Thread (UFO Disclosures)

Postby barracuda » Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:34 am

Gordon Duff, doin' his stuff:

IS THE TRUTH REALLY OUT THERE?
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

Those “in the know” have long since picked up the fact that Wikileaks is a game, or “game theory warfare” as Jeff Gates puts it. The players, a Rothschild law firm, the pro-Israel gang at the New York Times, Guardian and Der Spiegel and the Mossad. The leaks have been, as Zbigniew Brzezinski puts it, a combination of chickenfeed and “seeded, pointed material” from an “intelligence agency.” Now we are told by Wayne Madsen and others that Wikileaks has UFO materials and is going to buy its way out of the “dog house” with them.

Wikileaks was Israel. Now, Wikileaks is going to be X-Files.

What can we expect, what is in the UFO files of the United States Air Force?

UFO secrets have been the Holy Grail of the intelligence community since 1947 and the Roswell landing or Roswell crash, more appropriately, in New Mexico. The Air Force initially released a story of a “flying saucer” landing but, in an almost “military” manner, clumsy and “ham handed,” rescinded its own reports and screamed “weather balloon.” I was at Wurtsmith AFB in October 1973, a “national secret,” when the UFO flyover happened there. This “national secret” was, at the time, witnessed by thousands of people, reported on TV, newspapers and joked about by everyone but the Air Force personnel that a 300 foot flaming “whatever” traveling at Mach 1.5 scared the bejeezus out of.

They later reported that one as a “weather balloon” also. It was seen flying 2000 miles across the United States, burning like the sun the entire way. I believe them. It was a weather balloon. I just want to know what it was made of. I want everything I own to be made out of that stuff.

For years, the reports have been of the Air Force adapting UFO technology at the Area 51 base in Nevada, triangular aircraft capable of unusual maneuvers with some type of drive capable of using aspects of physics I won’t begin to describe. Dozens, maybe even hundreds of movies, books and television shows have been made about this subject or various derivations of the Majestic 12 document, the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” of the UFO world.

These stories, true or not, national secrets or conspiracy theory of such power and breadth as to become a major cultural phenomena, are old news, long debunked by “debunkers” long proven to be unreliable, untruthful and untrustworthy. Welcome to uncertainty.

Where there is uncertainty, there is also something to hide. The rumor wouldn’t be “out there” unless it had power of some kind. Accept the fact that something startling may or may not be released to the public, depending on whether some agenda of Wikileaks or Wikileaks and Israel, is met.

Can America’s UFO secrets force an attack on Iran? This is the kind of game that could be played here.

AIR FORCE RUMORS, PATRIOTS OR DELUSIONAL LUNATICS?

For decades, Air Force pilots have told of UFO’s. Even America’s astronauts have seen them, up close and personal. The number of reports, “close encounters” of one kind or another, 1 through 4, number in the tens of thousands. The number of UFO witnesses who can be considered “extremely credible” is over 1000. Many world governments consider UFOs a real threat and are, occasionally, public about it.

Whenever I receive “rumors,” and they flood in from the Air Force like anything, I try to consider why I am being told what I am being told. Everyone has an agenda. Destroying the credibility of a journalist is a joke. I report on people who are narcissists, sociopaths and degenerates and these are our civilian and military leaders. Is something going to make me seem worse, worse than Bush and Cheney? I don’t think so.

This is the extent of what I am being told by people who are responsible parties, Air Force officers, folks normally seen as having “the right stuff.”

America has UFO technology and aircraft that perform well beyond anything the public imagines some aspect of the fictional version, be it Men in Black or X Files, isn’t fiction.

Is this where Wikileaks is going?

WORSE, CRAZIER OR WIKI-CRAZIER?

The Wiki-rumors talk about UFO, Nazi Germany and a base in Antarctica. There is a reference, from several sources, of some kind of UFO war. I know absolutely nothing about this but…

This is what I was told by sources who had known escaped Nazi elite:

    During the war, Hitler had been in contact with aliens. Some sort of agreement or arrangement was made. A base was built in Antarctica. Germany had build a “complimentary” facility in Chile which existed until well after the war. The “Nazi/Space Alien” base in Antarctica was also controlled by the Nazis and, at some point, by Nazis and Americans, well after the end of the war.

I know of people alive today, folks serious as a “heart attack,” who claim to have visited these facilities. These are “ratline” people.

Now many of us are being told that Wikileaks has materials referencing exactly this.

MY RECOMMENDATION, DO EXACTLY AS I SAY

My first recommendation is to not listen to me at all. I don’t really trust anyone. Oh. I am now “Mulder” of X Files. Didn’t he always say that: “Trust no one.”

Good advice, trust no one. I certainly don’t trust Wikileaks, not because everything they say is false, some certainly is, but because Wikileaks has been “outed” as having an agenda.

IF YOU BELIEVE IN WIKILEAKS, YOU ARE READY

I can make assumptions, predictions, that I seem to be good at. The Air Force is keeping something from us and someone, finally, has gotten into their “underwear drawer.” Every high official, more than a few presidents included, has sought the secret UFO files. Carter, Reagan, Gore, others, have claimed these files exist but were denied access to them.

Is the truth so unpleasant, so disgusting that it can’t be revealed?

This is a probability.

Everything points that direction, what is seen and proven, the rumors, the secrecy, and now the threat from Wikileaks.
What I do know is that what we will be told. Unless the United States relinquishes defacto control of our military forces to the State of Israel, Julian Assange is going to unleash his stockpile of UFO documents.

The sign that the United States has surrendered will be increased rhetoric from President Obama over Iran’s peaceful nuclear program and, at some point, the false flag attack on American forces in the Persian Gulf that the Bush administration was prevented from enacting in 2007.

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Re: Yet Another Wikileaks Thread (UFO Disclosures)

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:40 am

I do believe in the long millennial existence of non human craft, however my cynical side has to mockingly say "oh Mr Assange...9/11, that's time wasting hogwash to investigate...but UFO's, there just may be some legitimacy to that!"

I've noticed a large portion of UFO/Fortean believers/Coast to Coast folks detest the 9/11 stuff. Might be too much reality for em'
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Re: Yet Another Wikileaks Thread (UFO Disclosures)

Postby nathan28 » Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:05 am

crikkett wrote:Wouldn't it be something else if Julian's "insurance file" is plans for a free-energy device?



You mean like the sun?


On edit:

Sunlight
Free
Warming
Provides "light" for activities
Has cosmetic effect on hair and skin in moderation
Lifts mood
Provides metabolisms of plants and animals with vital nutrients

Free Energy Devices
Costs involve testing, production, sanity
Usually made of metal and cold to the touch
Involve spending time in rooms with poor lighting
Have "crazy hair" effect on inventors
Ruin inventors' metabolisms with years of post-divorce freezer pizza***


***This criticism is unfair. According to a recent issue of Harper's, frozen pizza, ice cream and soda are the number 1, 2 & 3 sources of calories in America, presumably b/c no one can fucking afford anything anymore.
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Re: Yet Another Wikileaks Thread (UFO Disclosures)

Postby brainpanhandler » Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:09 am

Gordon Duff, doin' his stuff:

Thanks for forcing me to have to read more of that twits ramblings in order to try to understand why you would post this. Not that I do, understand, but thanks.
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Postby nathan28 » Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:17 am

brainpanhandler wrote:Gordon Duff, doin' his stuff:

Thanks for forcing me to have to read more of that twits ramblings in order to try to understand why you would post this. Not that I do, understand, but thanks.


Considering that people that aren't actually reading the WikiLeaks cables feel that they have the authority to discuss them, I'm not actually going to read Duff's article but discuss it anyway.

Besides, at least he's got a sense of humor, if a constipated old man humor. ("Grandpa, take your amphetamines, they keep you regular.") I lol'd:


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Re: Yet Another Wikileaks Thread (UFO Disclosures)

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:44 am

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:I don't like Assange's attitude toward 9/11 or UFOs - especially 9/11, which he should at least be circumspect about - but I can sort of understand his weariness if Wikileaks is recieving tons of non-classified, possibly hand-written mail along the lines of "Top Secret: How I Personally Fought And Killed Six Greys and a Tall White... In The Halls Of The Mountain King!".


I can also understand the eye-rolling if they've been getting stuff about how there were no plane crashes at the Towers and how satellite-based energy weapons destroyed the buildings on behalf of a 200-year-old Illuminati globalist conspiracy, etc. Which, if they haven't been at least spammed with it, they are the only ones.

Yes, he should be circumspect about the background and events of September 11th, but circumspection is also advisable for those who ignore the output of disclosures and actions from Wikileaks over four years' time and focus entirely on a throw-off opinion by Assange in an interview that doesn't relate to those disclosures and actions, and is thus no more than that, his throw-off opinion, without authority of documentation or even an argument. (I'm guessing Kevin Barrett is now preparing an extra spot on his scaffold for Assange alongside Amy Goodman.)

The failure of the New Truth, LC/WAC/Jonestown "movement" to even show up on the Wikileaks question at least as a matter of general support for transparency, disclosure and the right to publish (even with all the reservations and caveats one might like to add) is the political equivalent of a heart scan that flatlined about two years ago. Nurse, mark the time of death.

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Re: Yet Another Wikileaks Thread (UFO Disclosures)

Postby nathan28 » Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:50 am

JackRiddler wrote:
AhabsOtherLeg wrote:I don't like Assange's attitude toward 9/11 or UFOs - especially 9/11, which he should at least be circumspect about - but I can sort of understand his weariness if Wikileaks is recieving tons of non-classified, possibly hand-written mail along the lines of "Top Secret: How I Personally Fought And Killed Six Greys and a Tall White... In The Halls Of The Mountain King!".


I can also understand the eye-rolling if they've been getting stuff about how there were no plane crashes at the Towers and how satellite-based energy weapons destroyed the buildings on behalf of a 200-year-old Illuminati globalist conspiracy, etc. Which, if they haven't been at least spammed with it, they are the only ones.

Yes, he should be circumspect about the background and events of September 11th, but circumspection is also advisable for those who ignore the output of disclosures and actions from Wikileaks over four years' time and focus entirely on a throw-off opinion by Assange in an interview that doesn't relate to those disclosures and actions, and is thus no more than that, his throw-off opinion, without authority of documentation or even an argument. (I'm guessing Kevin Barrett is now preparing an extra spot on his scaffold for Assange alongside Amy Goodman.)

The failure of the New Truth, LC/WAC/Jonestown "movement" to even show up on the Wikileaks question at least as a matter of general support for transparency, disclosure and the right to publish (even with all the reservations and caveats one might like to add) is the political equivalent of a heart scan that flatlined about two years ago. Nurse, mark the time of death.

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I'd still love to read some cables on UFOs. I'm thinking the UK/German embassies may have some insight on, e.g., that one the helicopter chased back to a USAF base. Whoops.
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Re: Yet Another Wikileaks Thread (UFO Disclosures)

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:09 am

Sorcha Faal has a doosey up about ufo's and wikileaks but I won't link to it, find if you want something completely different

WikiLeaks Set To Reveal US-UFO War In Southern Ocean
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Re: Yet Another Wikileaks Thread (UFO Disclosures)

Postby barracuda » Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:52 am

brainpanhandler wrote:Gordon Duff, doin' his stuff:

Thanks for forcing me to have to read more of that twits ramblings in order to try to understand why you would post this. Not that I do, understand, but thanks.


I posted it so that the next time I see someone citing Gordon Duff to support their position, I can just point them here and say, "Oh! You mean THIS Gordon Duff?"
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