10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

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10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:28 pm

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10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Julian Assange
Unseen police documents provide the first complete account of the allegations against the WikiLeaks founder

Nick Davies
guardian.co.uk, Friday 17 December 2010 21.30 GMT

Documents seen by the Guardian reveal for the first time the full details of the allegations of rape and sexual assault that have led to extradition hearings against the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange.

The case against Assange, which has been the subject of intense speculation and dispute in mainstream media and on the internet, is laid out in police material held in Stockholm to which the Guardian received unauthorised access.

Assange, who was released on bail on Thursday, denies the Swedish allegations and has not formally been charged with any offence. The two Swedish women behind the charges have been accused by his supporters of making malicious complaints or being "honeytraps" in a wider conspiracy to discredit him.

Assange's UK lawyer, Mark Stephens, attributed the allegations to "dark forces", saying: "The honeytrap has been sprung ... After what we've seen so far you can reasonably conclude this is part of a greater plan." The journalist John Pilger dismissed the case as a "political stunt" and in an interview with ABC news, Assange said Swedish prosecutors were withholding evidence which suggested he had been "set up."

However, unredacted statements held by prosecutors in Stockholm, along with interviews with some of the central characters, shed fresh light on the hotly disputed sequence of events that has become the centre of a global storm.

Stephens has repeatedly complained that Assange has not been allowed to see the full allegations against him, but it is understood his Swedish defence team have copies of all the documents seen by the Guardian.

The allegations centre on a 10-day period after Assange flew into Stockholm on Wednesday 11 August. One of the women, named in court as Miss A, told police that she had arranged Assange's trip to Sweden, and let him stay in her flat because she was due to be away. She returned early, on Friday 13 August, after which the pair went for a meal and then returned to her flat.

Her account to police, which Assange disputes, stated that he began stroking her leg as they drank tea, before he pulled off her clothes and snapped a necklace that she was wearing. According to her statement she "tried to put on some articles of clothing as it was going too quickly and uncomfortably but Assange ripped them off again". Miss A told police that she didn't want to go any further "but that it was too late to stop Assange as she had gone along with it so far", and so she allowed him to undress her.

According to the statement, Miss A then realised he was trying to have unprotected sex with her. She told police that she had tried a number of times to reach for a condom but Assange had stopped her by holding her arms and pinning her legs. The statement records Miss A describing how Assange then released her arms and agreed to use a condom, but she told the police that at some stage Assange had "done something" with the condom that resulted in it becoming ripped, and ejaculated without withdrawing.

When he was later interviewed by police in Stockholm, Assange agreed that he had had sex with Miss A but said he did not tear the condom, and that he was not aware that it had been torn. He told police that he had continued to sleep in Miss A's bed for the following week and she had never mentioned a torn condom.

On the following morning, Saturday 14 August, Assange spoke at a seminar organised by Miss A. A second woman, Miss W, had contacted Miss A to ask if she could attend. Both women joined Assange, the co-ordinator of the Swedish WikiLeaks group, whom we will call "Harold", and a few others for lunch.

Assange left the lunch with Miss W. She told the police she and Assange had visited the place where she worked and had then gone to a cinema where they had moved to the back row. He had kissed her and put his hands inside her clothing, she said.

That evening, Miss A held a party at her flat. One of her friends, "Monica", later told police that during the party Miss A had told her about the ripped condom and unprotected sex. Another friend told police that during the evening Miss A told her she had had "the worst sex ever" with Assange: "Not only had it been the world's worst screw, it had also been violent."

Assange's supporters have pointed out that, despite her complaints against him, Miss A held a party for him on that evening and continued to allow him to stay in her flat.

On Sunday 15 August, Monica told police, Miss A told her that she thought Assange had torn the condom on purpose. According to Monica, Miss A said Assange was still staying in her flat but they were not having sex because he had "exceeded the limits of what she felt she could accept" and she did not feel safe.

The following day, Miss W phoned Assange and arranged to meet him late in the evening, according to her statement. The pair went back to her flat in Enkoping, near Stockholm. Miss W told police that though they started to have sex, Assange had not wanted to wear a condom, and she had moved away because she had not wanted unprotected sex. Assange had then lost interest, she said, and fallen asleep. However, during the night, they had both woken up and had sex at least once when "he agreed unwillingly to use a condom".

Early the next morning, Miss W told police, she had gone to buy breakfast before getting back into bed and falling asleep beside Assange. She had awoken to find him having sex with her, she said, but when she asked whether he was wearing a condom he said no. "According to her statement, she said: 'You better not have HIV' and he answered: 'Of course not,' " but "she couldn't be bothered to tell him one more time because she had been going on about the condom all night. She had never had unprotected sex before."

The police record of the interview with Assange in Stockhom deals only with the complaint made by Miss A. However, Assange and his lawyers have repeatedly stressed that he denies any kind of wrongdoing in relation to Miss W.

In submissions to the Swedish courts, they have argued that Miss W took the initiative in contacting Assange, that on her own account she willingly engaged in sexual activity in a cinema and voluntarily took him to her flat where, she agrees, they had consensual sex. They say that she never indicated to Assange that she did not want to have sex with him. They also say that in a text message to a friend, she never suggested she had been raped and claimed only to have been "half asleep".

Police spoke to Miss W's former boyfriend, who told them that in two and a half years they had never had sex without a condom because it was "unthinkable" for her. Miss W told police she went to a chemist to buy a morning-after pill and also went to hospital to be tested for STDs. Police statements record her contacting Assange to ask him to get a test and his refusing on the grounds that he did not have the time.

On Wednesday 18 August, according to police records, Miss A told Harold and a friend that Assange would not leave her flat and was sleeping in her bed, although she was not having sex with him and he spent most of the night sitting with his computer. Harold told police he had asked Assange why he was refusing to leave the flat and that Assange had said he was very surprised, because Miss A had not asked him to leave. Miss A says she spent Wednesday night on a mattress and then moved to a friend's flat so she did not have to be near him. She told police that Assange had continued to make sexual advances to her every day after they slept together and on Wednesday 18 August had approached her, naked from the waist down, and rubbed himself against her.

The following day, Harold told police, Miss A called him and for the first time gave him a full account of her complaints about Assange. Harold told police he regarded her as "very, very credible" and he confronted Assange, who said he was completely shocked by the claims and denied all of them. By Friday 20 August, Miss W had texted Miss A looking for help in finding Assange. The two women met and compared stories.

Harold has independently told the Guardian Miss A made a series of calls to him asking him to persuade Assange to take an STD test to reassure Miss W, and that Assange refused. Miss A then warned if Assange did not take a test, Miss W would go to the police. Assange had rejected this as blackmail, Harold told police.

Assange told police that Miss A spoke to him directly and complained to him that he had torn their condom, something that he regarded as false.

Late that Friday afternoon, Harold told police, Assange agreed to take a test, but the clinics had closed for the weekend. Miss A phoned Harold to say that she and Miss W had been to the police, who had told them that they couldn't simply tell Assange to take a test, that their statements must be passed to the prosecutor. That night, the story leaked to the Swedish newspaper Expressen.

By Saturday morning, 21 August, journalists were asking Assange for a reaction. At 9.15am, he tweeted: "We were warned to expect 'dirty tricks'. Now we have the first one." The following day, he tweeted: "Reminder: US intelligence planned to destroy WikiLeaks as far back as 2008."

The Swedish tabloid Aftonbladet asked if he had had sex with his two accusers. He replied: "Their identities have been made anonymous so even I have no idea who they are."

He added: "We have been warned that the Pentagon, for example, is thinking of deploying dirty tricks to ruin us."

Assange's Swedish lawyers have since suggested that Miss W's text messages – which the Guardian has not seen – show that she was thinking of contacting Expressen and that one of her friends told her she should get money for her story. However, police statements by the friend offer a more innocent explanation: they say these text messages were exchanged several days after the women had made their complaint. They followed an inquiry from a foreign newspaper and were meant jokingly, the friend stated to police.

The Guardian understands that the recent Swedish decision to apply for an international arrest warrant followed a decision by Assange to leave Sweden in late September and not return for a scheduled meeting when he was due to be interviewed by the prosecutor. Assange's supporters have denied this, but Assange himself told friends in London that he was supposed to return to Stockholm for a police interview during the week beginning 11 October, and that he had decided to stay away. Prosecution documents seen by the Guardian record that he was due to be interviewed on 14 October.

The co-ordinator of the WikiLeaks group in Stockholm, who is a close colleague of Assange and who also knows both women, told the Guardian: "This is a normal police investigation. Let the police find out what actually happened. Of course, the enemies of WikiLeaks may try to use this, but it begins with the two women and Julian. It is not the CIA sending a woman in a short skirt."

Assange's lawyers were asked to respond on his behalf to the allegations in the documents seen by the Guardian on Wednesday evening. Tonight they said they were still unable obtain a response from Assange.

Assange's solicitor, Mark Stephens, said: "The allegations of the complainants are not credible and were dismissed by the senior Stockholm prosecutor as not worthy of further investigation." He said Miss A had sent two Twitter messages that appeared to undermine her account in the police statement.

Assange's defence team had so far been provided by prosecutors with only incomplete evidence, he said. "There are many more text and SMS messages from and to the complainants which have been shown by the assistant prosecutor to the Swedish defence lawyer, Bjorn Hurtig, which suggest motivations of malice and money in going to the police and to Espressen and raise the issue of political motivation behind the presentation of these complaints. He [Hurtig] has been precluded from making notes or copying them.

"We understand that both complainants admit to having initiated consensual sexual relations with Mr Assange. They do not complain of any physical injury. The first complainant did not make a complaint for six days (in which she hosted the respondent in her flat [actually her bed] and spoke in the warmest terms about him to her friends) until she discovered he had spent the night with the other complainant.

"The second complainant, too, failed to complain for several days until she found out about the first complainant: she claimed that after several acts of consensual sexual intercourse, she fell half asleep and thinks that he ejaculated without using a condom – a possibility about which she says they joked afterwards.

"Both complainants say they did not report him to the police for prosecution but only to require him to have an STD test. However, his Swedish lawyer has been shown evidence of their text messages which indicate that they were concerned to obtain money by going to a tabloid newspaper and were motivated by other matters including a desire for revenge."
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Re: 10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:22 pm

from the bbc interview last night (:

JA: “I’m informed that there will be, within the next 24 hours or so, another leak of information, deliberately, from either the Swedish prosecution service or some organizations that have managed to obtain selected material. Nothing that we have.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12015140?u ... um=twitter

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Re: 10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

Postby nathan28 » Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:05 pm

Miss W... willingly engaged in sexual activity in a cinema and voluntarily took him to her flat where, she agrees, they had consensual sex. They say that she never indicated to Assange that she did not want to have sex with him...

Police spoke to Miss W's former boyfriend, who told them that in two and a half years they had never had sex without a condom because it was "unthinkable" for her


My response to this is: tough. I have no problem paying for health care necessary for one night's mistake. I do have a problem with attributing criminal behavior to one and not another. Find some steel wool and a bottle of bleach.

But then there's this:

According to her statement she "tried to put on some articles of clothing as it was going too quickly and uncomfortably but Assange ripped them off again". Miss A told police that she didn't want to go any further "but that it was too late to stop Assange as she had gone along with it so far", and so she allowed him to undress her.

According to the statement, Miss A then realised he was trying to have unprotected sex with her. She told police that she had tried a number of times to reach for a condom but Assange had stopped her by holding her arms and pinning her legs. The statement records Miss A describing how Assange then released her arms and agreed to use a condom, but she told the police that at some stage Assange had "done something" with the condom that resulted in it becoming ripped, and ejaculated without withdrawing.

When he was later interviewed by police in Stockholm, Assange agreed that he had had sex with Miss A but said he did not tear the condom, and that he was not aware that it had been torn. He told police that he had continued to sleep in Miss A's bed for the following week and she had never mentioned a torn condom.


I'm not willing to hold forth on this, save to say that the failure of a condom shouldn't criminalize something that wouldn't have otherwise been so.
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Re: 10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

Postby justdrew » Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:41 pm

“Meanwhile, there's a WikiLeaks cable that details how US contractor DynCorp sold child prostitute­s to Afghan police officers as part of a bacha bazi party. Real, actual evidence of sexual crimes with victims who could not possibly consent. Where's the Interpol red notice?

This stands in contrast to Assange, who is held on solitary confinemen­t for over a week while various government­s try to figure out if they even have any evidence of him committing any crime at all.

That is the crux of the insult to rape victims everywhere­. It doesn't matter how violently you were violated, or how much evidence you have. The government­s only care about your alleged rape so long as the alleged rapist is on the government­s' shit list.”
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Re: 10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

Postby jlaw172364 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:55 am

If the parties to this incident were average Joes and Janes, there probably would be no investigation.

How the hell can anything be proven?

It is all "he said, she said."


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Re: 10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:15 pm

vanlose kid wrote:from the bbc interview last night (:

JA: “I’m informed that there will be, within the next 24 hours or so, another leak of information, deliberately, from either the Swedish prosecution service or some organizations that have managed to obtain selected material. Nothing that we have.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12015140?u ... um=twitter

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Re: 10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:14 am

So in Sweden, is it "rape" if the guy doesnt use a condom? thats just bad form, and does a serious disservice to REAL victims of rape.
I feel this way about cases where an 18 or 19 year old boyfriend gets charged for being with his 15/16/17 year old sweetheart.

Or in Israel where an Arab is charged with rape for failing to inform his hookup that he wasnt Jewish.

When is rape not "really rape". Its clear Assange is a player. But were these women simply star fuckers, like groupies who willingly hookup to "be with a star"?

If he forced himself upon them, drugged them, etc...yes, thats rape. But not wearing a condom, is that really assault? We do get into areas where someone is purposefully infecting
others with AIDS, and there has been court cases of that. Or trying to get a girlfriend pregnant to have control over her, another issue Ive heard of.
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Re: 10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

Postby barracuda » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:50 pm

8bitagent wrote:So in Sweden, is it "rape" if the guy doesnt use a condom? thats just bad form, and does a serious disservice to REAL victims of rape.
I feel this way about cases where an 18 or 19 year old boyfriend gets charged for being with his 15/16/17 year old sweetheart.

Or in Israel where an Arab is charged with rape for failing to inform his hookup that he wasnt Jewish.

When is rape not "really rape". Its clear Assange is a player. But were these women simply star fuckers, like groupies who willingly hookup to "be with a star"?

If he forced himself upon them, drugged them, etc...yes, thats rape. But not wearing a condom, is that really assault? We do get into areas where someone is purposefully infecting
others with AIDS, and there has been court cases of that. Or trying to get a girlfriend pregnant to have control over her, another issue Ive heard of.


It's almost as if you haven't read a single word of the OP here. Well done. The complaint is not that he merely didn't use a condom.
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The Trouble with Assange

Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:44 pm

This didn't get much traction in another thread so I'm reposting here...
CC wrote:Not sure where to throw this out but...

The Creepy, Lovesick Emails of Julian Assange - Gawker

Assange and Asian Teenage Stalkers - Gawker

More smears or a pattern developing?

How does this effect thoughts on the charges brought by Swedish prosecutors in the public mind?


I'll answer my own question. I do see a pattern here. Julien Assange demonstrates a particular personality type that, I believe, will become more apparent with time. Most certainly an "alpha", he has demonstrated in the past an aggressive attitude towards women that is born out by the revelatory articles at Gawker I posted earlier. I see this as circumstantially bolstering the case being brought against him in Sweden. Many here will equate the charges as a "smear" or some form of "honey trap". I see it more as a continuation of a certain slant towards creepiness that was demonstrated prior to the existence of WL and in turn, a possible motivation for it's creation in the first place. Just as many young boys strive to become "rock stars" in order to get "chicks", it's entirely possible that the same motivation exist here in a slightly different form. Assange states a "higher purpose" in it's creation and yet, I can't see how someone who has demonstrated such an aggressive attitude towards women in the past, can hide behind such an explanation in the creation of WL's. Maybe in his own mind yes, but it could very well be that this realization became apparent to many of those who have split and formed the alternative Openleaks. They will not come out and say it outright, but I suspect that what we see posted at Gawker is not an isolated incident but more of a pattern of agressiveness that may become more recognized with time. I think there are other's out there that may add to the narratives already posted. Not everyone reads Gawker but the Tornto Star has picked up on the revelations posted there and more are sure to follow. Wider dissemination may jog the memories of others and I suspect there are many. Keep in mind that this young lady was 19 at the time and JA was 33...

Days after a hacker attack by Julian Assange supporters, gossip and schadenfreude website Gawker.com has fished out the perfect revenge: the whistleblower’s emails to a teenage girl.

With the unsubtle headline “The Creepy, Lovesick Emails of Julian Assange,” Gawker, run by British journalist Nick Denton, on Friday published eight messages Assange purportedly sent to a 19-year-old after they met at a bar in Melbourne, Australia, in April 2004.

Assange, noted Gawker archly, “has some embarrassing documents in his own past.”

An online activist group called Anonymous earlier this week exposed private contact information for Gawker’s commenters.

The unidentified woman gave the website Assange’s emails, though none of her replies.

Assange, then 33, had walked her home from the bar and emailed her a few days later.

The emails started with a straightforward “I found your company and your kisses very appealing. I want to explore them further. Are you busy Monday night?”

He found out her phone number, which shocked her. “Your reaction to my phone call lacked dignity and stung me,” he wrote. “You seemed above such trivialities.”

Things deteriorated. He persisted, spinning sentences about “the memory of a strange dream” and “the script full of unclosed parentheses.”

She told him to stop calling. It all ended with Assange’s counter-brush-off, laced with bitter dismay that she turned out to be a “committed solipsist.”

Seven years later, she tried to put it in perspective for Gawker: “I don’t think he’s a bad person,” she said. “He’s just a funny bugger.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/908888--gawker-publishes-assange-s-creepy-lovesick-emails


Also: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339287/Gawker-exposes-WikiLeaks-boss-Julian-Assanges-creepy-lovesick-emails-girl-19.html

http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/2010/12/gawker-vs-julian-assange/

I suspect the young ladies in Sweden might agree. Their testimony only add to the existing narrative wrt to JA's attitude towards women rather than it being an isolated incident, set up etc. Without this history, the smear and honey trap charges certainly would hold more weight. I also find it curious how JA uses that excuse when questioned by reporters as to the details of the charges and I find it getting quite old and it just makes me question them all the more. In the end, I'm not sure a "funny bugger" makes for the best leader of a transparency movement. I suspect the founders of Openleaks would agree.
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Re: 10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

Postby Plutonia » Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:57 pm

Could this be true?

Rove Suspected In Swedish-U.S. Political Prosecution of WikiLeaks

Karl Rove's help for Sweden as it assists the Obama administration's prosecution against WikiLeaks could be the latest example of the adage, "Politics makes strange bedfellows."

Rove has advised Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt for the past two years after resigning as Bush White House political advisor in mid-2007. Rove's resignation followed the scandalous Bush mid-term political purge of nine of the nation's 93 powerful U.S. attorneys.

These days, Sweden and the United States are apparently undertaking a political prosecution as audacious and important as those by the notorious "loyal Bushies" earlier this decade against U.S. Democrats.

The U.S. prosecution of WikiLeaks, if successful, could criminalize many kinds of investigative news reporting about government affairs, not just the WikiLeaks disclosures that are embarrassing Sweden as well as the Bush and Obama administrations. Authorities in both countries are setting the stage with pre-indictment sex and spy smears against WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange, plus an Interpol manhunt.

"This all has Karl's signature," a reliable political source told me a week and a half ago in encouraging our Justice Integrity Project to investigate Rove's Swedish connection. "He must be very happy. He's right back in the middle of it. He's making himself valuable to his new friends, seeing the U.S. government doing just what he'd like ─ and screwing his opponents big-time."
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WikiLeaks created a problem for Sweden and its prime minister, at left above, by revealing a 2008 cable disclosing that its executive branch asked American officials to keep intelligence-gathering "informal" to avoid required Parliamentary scrutiny. That secret was among the 251,000 U.S. cables obtained by WikiLeaks and relayed to the New York Times and four other media partners. They have so far reported about 1,300 of the secret cables after trying for months to vet them through U.S. authorities.

Assange, a nomadic 39-year-old Australian, sought political haven in Sweden during this planning. Also, he fell into the arms of two Swedish beauties who offered to put him up at their apartments on his speaking trip to their country last August. Now free on bond, he is likely to be extradited from the United Kingdom to Sweden to answer questions about his one-night stands.

Swedish prosecutors initially dropped their investigation of assault complaints. But higher prosecution authority intervened. Far more ominously than the sex charges, Swedes could ship Assange to the United States.

The New York Times reports that the Obama Justice Department is devising espionage conspiracy charges under an innovative use of spy law to persuade an alleged WikiLeaks source, Army Pvt. Bradley Manning, now being held pre-trial in harsh solitary confinement conditions, to testify against Assange. Attacks on WikiLeaks are from many sides. Among them are the top congressional Homeland Security leaders: Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut Independent, and New York Republican Rep. Peter King.

Legal Schnauzer blogger Roger Shuler scooped me on the story about Rove's Swedish work in a Dec. 14 column, "Is Karl Rove Driving the Effort to Prosecute Julian Assange?" But a big part of our role as web journalists should be following up on each other's work.

Shuler is an expert on how Rove-era "Loyal Bushies" undertook political prosecutions against Democrats on trumped up corruption charges across the Deep South, including against former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman, his state's leading Democrat. The Siegelman case has turned into most notorious U.S. political prosecution of the decade, as readers here well know. It altered that state's politics and improved business opportunities for companies well-connected to Bush, Rove and their state GOP supporters.

Ultimately, the House Judiciary Committee's oversight questioning of Rove in July 2009 turned out to be a whitewash. The probe was crippled by restrictions on format that had been brokered by the Obama White House and, more importantly, by an unwillingness of House Democrats to risk antagonizing Rove and his backers by asking obvious questions. Call it speculation, but the federal bribery charges that imprisoned the wife of House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-MI) surely deterred him from building a thorough case regarding Rove's relationship with the DOJ, or at least calling relevant witnesses from the Justice Department and elsewhere for public testimony.


At this stage, the specifics of Rove's Swedish work for Reinfeldt, a former Council of Europe president nicknamed "The Ronald Reagan of Europe," remain in doubt for outsiders.

Has Rove simply provided routine political advice and fund-raising counsel for Reinfeldt's successful re-election in September? Perhaps Rove gave media advice, based on his work with Murdoch-owned Fox News and the Wall Street Journal and many other traditional broadcasting and print outlets. Rove's patrons at those media outlets, perhaps not coincidentally, tend to disdain independent, web-based journalists who can disrupt their information gatekeeper role by going directly to documents instead of relying upon high-level contacts, or at least the willingness of bureaucrats to return phone calls.

Or has Rove drawn on any opposition research and dirty tricks skills that earned him such nicknames as "Turd-Blossom" from former President Bush and "Bush's Brain" from others?

One way to learn is to ask Rove himself, which I did via his chief of staff on Dec. 14. I attached for convenience the Shuler column about Sweden and in its inevitable allusions to Rove's prior work.

As readers here well know, Siegelman's convictions came only after years of pre-trial prosecutorial smears, witness sexual blackmail, and a bizarre trial before a judge enriched on the side by Bush contracts for the judge's closely-held company. No one column can encompass at reasonable length every important abuse in this tawdry, nearly decade-long tale. But my Huffington Post blog from last April, "Siegelman Judge Asked To Recuse Now, With Kagan, Rove Opposing Oversight," links to the scandals cited above.

Then, all of the wrongdoing was covered up by whitewashes by the Obama administration and congress. Siegelman, 64, is free on bail after a Supreme Court ruling last June created a new hearing for him in January, forestalling an Obama recommendation last year that he receive an 20 additional years in prison.

The former governor maintains that his prosecution was orchestrated by Rove and Rove's longtime friend William Canary, whose wife Leura led the state's U.S. attorney office prosecuting Siegelman. Remarkably, the Bush 2001 appointee still runs that Montgomery-based prosecution office more than two years after Obama's election, much to the horror of Siegelman's supporters nationwide. The former governor is pictured below, including a photo during his imprisonment. Authorities initially put him in solitary confinement that prevented contact with family and the media after his 2007 sentencing, which was largely for reappointing to a state board in 1999 a donor to the non-profit Alabama Education Foundation.
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Rove denies improper involvement in Siegelman's prosecution, and has not yet responded to my inquiry about Sweden. For reader convenience, I'll note that his memoir Courage and Consequence published this year contains no mention of Sweden or his client Reinfeldt. Rove's book also denies that he was forced from the White House over the firing scandal or that he had any improper role in the Siegelman case.

Whether or not Rove advised Sweden on how to go after Assange, the WikiLeaks revelations have brought into plain view dramatic opinions that often cross conventional political divisions.

Feminist scholar, rape victim and longtime volunteer rape counselor Naomi Wolf, for example, describes the sex assault investigation as "theater" designed to bring Assange into U.S. custody on more serious charges, not to enforce the law in routine fashion. "How do I know that Interpol, Britain and Sweden's treatment of Julian Assange is a form of theater? She wrote. "Because I know what happens in rape accusations against men that don't involve the embarrassing of powerful governments."

Yet a New York Times report Dec. 18 implies a more straightforward investigation via leak of a 68-page confidential Swedish police report. Earlier, more context was reported in a Daily Mail article and a Crikey blog.

Whatever the case, this tale is more Stieg Larsson than Swedish Bikini Team.

Regarding the espionage allegations, we see impassioned opinions seemingly in conflict with career affiliations:

* U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, a Texas Republican and tea party hero, spoke on the House floor defending the right of WikiLeaks to cooperate with conventional news organization to publish secret cables.

* Democrat Bob Beckel (Walter Mondale's 1984 campaign manager) said about Assange on Fox: 'A dead man can't leak stuff ... there's only one way to do it: illegally shoot the son of a bitch."

* Former CIA agent Ray McGovern rebuked CNN anchor Don Lemon for disparaging WikiLeaks as "pariah," urged Lemon and his network to emulate Assange by reporting more such news.

But there actually is a pattern. Defenders of the WikiLeaks role tend to see a commitment to democracy in fighting for its values in the U.S., not in overseas military actions to fight "terror." In varying ways, Arianna Huffington, Glenn Greenwald, Robert Parry and Scott Horton argue compellingly that Mideast wars are the real issue with WikiLeaks, and that spy conspiracy charges baseless under our law endanger all investigative reporting on national security issues, not simply WikiLeaks. Such threats against the First Amendment coincide with broken Obama campaign promises on a host of justice issues.

So why does the Obama administration treat Rove and his GOP allies with kid gloves? Why are so many in the conventional media so passive to threats to our historic due process and First Amendment freedoms?

A thorough answer requires at least a separate column for documentation. For now, let's just say that a lot of opponents of WikiLeaks seem to be in a big bed together, shouting, "Terror! Terror! Terror! Fear! Fear! Fear!"
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Re: 10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

Postby jlaw172364 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:25 pm

According to the story, the 19-year old girl approached him first.

His behavior almost certainly falls within the norm of what someone experiences when they have a crush on someone, namely, mild obsession.

He tried to get her to go out with him by contacting her several times.

It's obvious that he was trying to seduce her with his intellect. He probably saw some movies or read some stories where women fall for the guy's artful, intellectual pick-up. In real life, this usually alienates the person, especially if done directly, as opposed to indirectly.

Many a geek has tried this gambit and I confess that I am one of them.

Remember, you're only a creep if you "fail," or if the girl never liked you to begin with.

If he were Brad Pitt, I'm sure she would have been all over him, even if his pick up approach was to projectile vomit all over her.

These rape/molestation charges have degenerate into "he said/she said." The only thing that makes them remotely plausible is that there are two women, thus people can falsely assume or conclude that there is a "pattern" as opposed to a "coincidence."

In my opinion, Assange is not a pure "Alpha" male, at least not to women. Probably most of his life he has imagined himself as an "Alpha" male, and these groupies gave him an opportunity to live out his fantasy.
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Re: 10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:03 pm

jlaw172364 wrote:According to the story, the 19-year old girl approached him first.

His behavior almost certainly falls within the norm of what someone experiences when they have a crush on someone, namely, mild obsession.

He tried to get her to go out with him by contacting her several times.

It's obvious that he was trying to seduce her with his intellect. He probably saw some movies or read some stories where women fall for the guy's artful, intellectual pick-up. In real life, this usually alienates the person, especially if done directly, as opposed to indirectly.

Many a geek has tried this gambit and I confess that I am one of them.

Remember, you're only a creep if you "fail," or if the girl never liked you to begin with.

If he were Brad Pitt, I'm sure she would have been all over him, even if his pick up approach was to projectile vomit all over her.

These rape/molestation charges have degenerate into "he said/she said." The only thing that makes them remotely plausible is that there are two women, thus people can falsely assume or conclude that there is a "pattern" as opposed to a "coincidence."

In my opinion, Assange is not a pure "Alpha" male, at least not to women. Probably most of his life he has imagined himself as an "Alpha" male, and these groupies gave him an opportunity to live out his fantasy.


I appreciate your "geek" take on this Jlaw. However, it doesn't seem to jibe with JA's own self-image, again projected early on...

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I read this another way. He's full of himself and doesn't get that "no means no". Why should it, when your "Julian Assange", owner of an "unusual presence". I'm not buying the "obessive shy geek" angle. It's not something you lose in a few years and to read the descriptions of JA's personality proffered by his Wikileak cofounders, it never existed in the first place. Not sure where or how his childhood experience with Anne Hamilton Byrne might fit into this, but I believe it does somehow. Sorry...

Time will tell, I may be wrong - but if more of these kinds of tales emerge, as I suspect they will, you'll find them here.
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Re: 10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:18 pm

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: 10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:35 pm

I think the Wolf article is quite good and speaks volumes of truth when it comes to sexual violence against women and the inequality of the justice given to them around the world. That said, a couple of points. It strikes me as odd that Assange would engage in such behavior at a time when he would be most vulnerable to just such extreme focus, set ups and the like. Honey traps have been mentioned often in relation to these accusations and yet we give JA a lot of credence when it comes to intellectual prowess. In this case, it seems he set himself up if nothing else. Possible due to a compulsiveness when it comes to his attitude towards the opposite sex and sex itself?

What else might explain it?
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Re: 10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Assange

Postby Simulist » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:03 pm

The man called 9/11 a "false conspiracy." I think that's a significant window into how Assange sees "conspiracies," or sometimes doesn't see them.

If he was blindsided by these allegations against him, this might be due to his larger blind-spot where "conspiracies" are concerned, generally.

(And if they're really out to get you — and you're not a little paranoid — you're probably foolish.)
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