It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

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It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:35 am

Court Of Appeals Rules Detainees Are Not “Persons” in Guantánamo Torture Suit

Court Agrees with Obama Administration that Detainees Still Have No Constitutional Right Not to Be Tortured

April 24, 2009 Washington, D.C. – In a suit brought by British men imprisoned for two years at Guantanamo [without charge or trial -- Alice], the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals today reaffirmed its previous ruling that Guantanamo detainees lack the fundamental constitutional right not to be tortured and are not “persons” under a U.S. statute protecting religious freedom.

Last summer, the Supreme Court directed the Court of Appeals to reconsider its previous decision in Rasul v. Rumsfeld, in light of the High Court’s decision in Boumediene v. Bush, which recognized the constitutional right of habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. The plaintiffs urged the Court of Appeals to follow the clear logic of the Boumediene decision and to recognize both the constitutional rights of the detainees to humane and just treatment and the fact that, under any definition of the word, they are “persons” entitled to religious freedom and dignity as required by law.

“We’re not surprised by the Court’s ruling, but we are disappointed. The Court failed to follow the Supreme Court’s decision in Boumediene and ignored its own prior decisions holding that habeas corpus is not analytically distinct from other fundamental constitutional rights,” said Eric L. Lewis, of the Washington, DC law firm of Baach Robinson & Lewis, which is lead counsel for the four men in their lawsuit. “If you get habeas, you should get the other fundamental rights that are guaranteed under the Constitution."

In its first filing on detention and torture under the Obama administration, the Department of Justice filed briefs in March urging the Court of Appeals to reject any constitutional or statutory rights for detainees. The Obama Justice Department further argued that even if such rights were recognized, the Court should rule that the previous administration’s officials who ordered and approved torture and abuse of the plaintiffs should be immune from liability for their actions.

"This is a question about accountability for torture and abuse. It’s a disgrace to have a U.S. court stating that Guantánamo detainees are not persons. It would be a shame to have our new President supporting such a position in the Supreme Court. It was bad enough for the Obama Administration to take this position at this stage. We hope that they reconsider," stated Michael Ratner, President of the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR). “Boumediene acknowledged that the fundamental rights we take for granted apply to persons in U.S. custody at Guantanamo. This decision runs directly counter to that principle."

In its decision today, the Court rejected the detainees’ argument that the Boumediene decision compelled the recognition of fundamental constitutional rights for detainees. Instead, the Court of Appeals held that the Supreme Court’s Boumediene decision applied only to the right of habeas corpus, and that no additional constitutional rights could be extended to detainees unless the Supreme Court specifically authorized and approved such rights.

In addition, the Court reaffirmed its decision from last year that detainees are not “persons” for the purposes of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which was enacted in 1993 to protect against government actions that unreasonably interfere with religious practices. Last year, Judge Janice Rogers Brown, a member of the Court of Appeals panel who issued the decision today, referred to the Court’s holding that detainees are not “persons” as “a most regrettable holding in a case where plaintiffs have alleged high-level U.S. government officials treated them as less than human.” This statement is noticeably absent from Judge Brown’s substantively identical concurring opinion issued today.

For more information on Rasul v. Rumsfeld, click here.

The Center for Constitutional Rights is dedicated to advancing and protecting the rights guaranteed by the United States Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Founded in 1966 by attorneys who represented civil rights movements in the South, CCR is a non-profit legal and educational organization committed to the creative use of law as a positive force for social change.

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Postby Brentos » Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:58 pm

Glad I didnt vote for him.

btw Alice, keep posting.

For those who think that there really is a difference between both parties, besides bs issues, this is worth a read:

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/fwordpr ... hapter%203

Difference anymore is that Repukes can be 'honest', Dems have to lie so blatantly it gives alex jones a hard-on.
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Re: It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

Postby ninakat » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:10 pm

Chilling (and a particularly powerful interview):

Guns and Butter - "Obama's National Security State" with Michael Ratner

Current law and practice regarding the writ of habeas corpus, the right to challenge detention; preventive detention; secret sites; Guantanamo and Bagram Air Base; extraordinary rendition; targeting of American citizens for assassination; surveillance and infiltration of political groups; Miranda.
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Re: It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

Postby 82_28 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:44 pm

Fucking disgusting and soooooooooo fucking obviously illogical and irrational for our esteemed justices to even play this card if they are precisely as reasonable, fair and wise as they are purported to be.

Did not the corporate personhood of the sovereign entity known as British Petroleum extensively damage an entire ecosystem and the livelihoods of countless human beings just to the northwest of this so-called node of justice?

There is no law in the United States foos, just processes of decorum and mandatory capriciousness for the lone human.
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Re: It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

Postby StarmanSkye » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:47 pm

Seems to me the 'Justice' Dept officials who filed this appeal and the Court Judges who voted in-favor ought to have their ruling tested re: only specifically-granted civil rights are 'owed' -- as perhaps by their summary detention bound and presented in submissive poses to sexually-charged stud horses to service, repeatedly.

I would probably object to this test on moral, humanitarian and civil rights grounds, but I wouldn't be too strenuous or vocal about it.

Let THEM take it to court.
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Re: It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

Postby justdrew » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:00 pm

well, the stuffed robes on this bench are not fit to serve.

can they be removed/impeached?
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Re: It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

Postby 82_28 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:23 pm

StarmanSkye wrote:Seems to me the 'Justice' Dept officials who filed this appeal and the Court Judges who voted in-favor ought to have their ruling tested re: only specifically-granted civil rights are 'owed' -- as perhaps by their summary detention bound and presented in submissive poses to sexually-charged stud horses to service, repeatedly.

I would probably object to this test on moral, humanitarian and civil rights grounds, but I wouldn't be too strenuous or vocal about it.

Let THEM take it to court.


Who would even be capable of this testing? There ain't no kind, just, honest people in any kind of incorruptible power anymore. If there are or were, they're either dead or too old.
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Re: It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

Postby freemason9 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:10 am

maybe those detainees should incorporate
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Re: It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

Postby Sepka » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:11 am

There are no "victims" at Guantanamo - only terrorists being detained. And of course they have no human rights - they're not only not members of the civilization from which those rights derive, they're actively working to destroy it. How on earth could they possibly claim any human rights?
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Re: It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

Postby barracuda » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:13 am

Sepka, please try to refrain from simply trolling every thread on the board. Honestly.
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Re: It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:22 am

.

Wait -- I always thought Sepka was a brilliant satirist, merely echoing the sentiments of the common cog on the street...

I mean, surely no one of such predilections would traverse and post on this board on a regular basis, unless it was done out of pure jest... right?

oh dear -- I believe I've been hoodwinked!
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Re: It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:17 am

Sepka, I may be wrong, but here is one thing that I for one have very little doubt of:

Never trust any entity which does not allow for human fallibility. Never, ever trust anything which espouses 100% certitude, anything. Do I know you are wrong in your blind allegiance? No. However, I have no doubt that I do not trust that you or anyone knows for sure that there is nothing but terrorists incarcerated at GITMO. And you can move on from there and ask the exact questions of the people imprisoned there, even if they were "terrorists", fuck them and by the same token fuck their captors. Nobody knows jack shit. We are simply asking to live an existence where not having fascist certitude rule our lives, my life, your life, anybody's.

Thus, I assume you are all for remotely controlled drone attacks. How can that be? You seem so even keeled when it comes to some discussions which deal in likelihoods and measures of some certainty. How is it you trust these jackals of all things which have fucked up so many of our lives through their graft, greed and obvious dishonesty to administer justice to these "terrorists" we are made to believe only exist in some anti-American vacuum? Angry people exist everywhere, rightly or wrongly. Isn't it time for some function of being "the better person" to exemplify itself in and of a way gone empire to show what it is made of?
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Re: It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

Postby blanc » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:41 pm

It seems to me that the principle of human rights either applies to all humans or does not exist.
do you mean that some humans are not human Sepka
that the only humans recognised as human for the purposes of the principle of human rights as determined by the 'civilisation' in question are its own citizens?
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Re: It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

Postby hava1 » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:56 pm

HUman rights also do not apply to those declared mentally ill as well, its not the only category of "non human humans", and in many instances in history, the political dehumanization followed the steps of the "mental health laws" (nazi germany is one instance, but Soviets and all those "re education" regimes as well). there is evident indication that the "combatant terrorist" category is related to perceptions about the "mental condition" or "the mind" of those people. In Israel, we are hearing a lot recently about how "lefties" have a brain problem, and so forth.

As long as the "loop holes" about "crazies" human rights and legal status is not addressed, the politicians are going to make use of it.

In ancient codes, the "fool" had no capacity to testify (women too), in modern law, the only category that has no human rights, or legal capacity at all, is those declared "insane" (this started actually as a humanistic approach, in the "insanity defense" and so forth which led to the perception of humans that have no responsibility, accountability and therefore are in fact not human, cause human is defined by making choices.). So if you have a "terrorist mind", you are deprived of human rights, etc. etc.

the psychiatric nexus of the Girmos of sorts, is not only bad for medicine, but for the law. It goes deep into the american view of medicalization, and the urging of people "to seek treatment" instead of making choices and assuming responsibility, the MK fascination, the enslavement of the will, drug abuse and drug fascination, anything that overcomes or bypasses choices and gets straight to the decision making "machinary".

The american people had a problem once in including slaves in the protected species under the great constitution, now there another hurdle, I am not sure there anyone to fight this civil war, though. But I trust the great minds of the american people and the nation to stick the original vision and overcome this attempt to again create "less than human" species.
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Re: It's Official: US Court Rules Gitmo Victims Not Persons

Postby Nordic » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:19 pm

Sepka wrote:There are no "victims" at Guantanamo - only terrorists being detained. And of course they have no human rights - they're not only not members of the civilization from which those rights derive, they're actively working to destroy it. How on earth could they possibly claim any human rights?



Why do we have to put up with this bullshit?

It's a proven fact that a large majority of those incarcerated at Gitmo aren't even fighters. Most of them were turned in by bounty hunters, who took the money from the Americans and turned in whoever the FUCK they felt like.

Too bad they missed Sepka.
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