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The Libya thread

Postby Jeff » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:57 pm

I thought the Libyan iteration of 2011's global uprising (or the latest ordo ab chao act in the NWO's end-game kabuki play - you decide!) was overdue a dedicated thread. So here it is.

RABAT Feb 22 (Reuters) - Libya's Interior Minister Abdel Fattah Younes al Abidi has announced his defection and support for the "February 17 revolution", news channel Al Jazeera reported on Tuesday.

The channel aired amateur video footage that showed Abidi sitting at his desk and reading a statement that also urged the Libyan army to join the people and their "legitimate demands".

"I hereby announce that I have abandoned all my duties to respond to the February 17 revolution based on my total conviction and the legitimacy of their claims ... I urge the Libyan army to ... serve the people and support the Feb. 17 revolution".


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Re: The Libya thread

Postby 23 » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:59 pm

An excellent and timely idea. Thanks.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby barracuda » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:04 pm

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Re: The Libya thread

Postby barracuda » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:07 pm

This was from yesterday, but still seems to have a few salient points to make:

Revolutionary Situation in Libya

Posted on 02/21/2011 by Juan
After the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi fell to the protest movement on Sunday, clashes broke out in the Libyan capital of Tripoli late that afternoon, the first time that city saw substantial demonstrations. The events shook the rule of Muammar Qaddafi to the core, eliciting from one of his sons Saif al-Islam Qaddafi a haughty jeremiad about the protesters endangering the future of the country.

Because Libya is an oil state that exports 1.7 million barrels a day, its fate has more immediate implications for the international economy than unrest in non-oil states such as Tunisia. On Sunday, the eastern Zuwayya tribe threatened to halt petroleum exports in protest of the brutality of the regime in Benghazi, a city of over 600,000.

Petroleum accounts for much of Libya’s $77 bn. a year gross domestic product, the 62nd in the world, which affords Libyans a per capita income on paper of over $12,000 a year, more than that of Brazilians, Chileans or Poles and the highest in Africa. In fact, the oil income is not equitably distributed, so that a third of Libyans live below the poverty line and 30% of workers are unemployed. The regime favors the west of the country with oil money largesse, neglecting the east.

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This outbreak of clashes in the capital of Tripoli is important because governments are always most vulnerable in their own capitals, and because most of the 6 million Libyans live in the west of the country, where the capital is also located. Tripoli is a city of a little over a million. About 3 million Libyans, or half the country, live in the historic region of Tripolitania, including the capital and its environs. Populations along the North African coast hug the rainfall rich areas near the Mediterranean where agriculture is possible and there is potable water.

In a highly significant development, the leadership of the large and powerful Warfala tribe announced that it was now siding with the opposition against Qaddafi. About a million Libyans belong to this extended kinship group. Since cultivating tribal loyalties was one of the ways Qaddafi had remained in power, this major tribal defection underlines his loss of authority. It was further underlined when Arab Warfala leaders managed to convince their Berber counterparts in the southern Tuareg tribe, who are 500,000 strong, to join in opposing Qaddafi.

Tens of thousands of young people had come out to rally in Benghazi on Sunday. The regime initially tried to bully and intimidate the crowds, using live fire against them and in some instances even firing rocket propelled grenades at them. Dozens were killed. The state security forces are accused of deploying African and other expatriate laborers against the Libyan crowds, angering them on nationalist grounds. At length, some military units went over to the crowd, while one stayed loyal. The two engaged in firefights with one another. Lt. Gen. Sulaiman Mahmoud, formerly commander of the eastern region (historic Cyrenaica) eventually went over to the protesters.

All of these developments– the falling of Benghazi, the split in the military there, the defection of major tribes, and the outbreak of protests and violence in the capital– point to a revolutionary situation. Central to such a situation is dual sovereignty, the development of two distinct camps with authority in the same country.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:09 pm

A naval ship seems to have defected to Malta, where they're now docked (some pilots with orders to bomb the protestors flew there too, and are now being questioned by Maltese police, but that's old news).

I had hoped Gaddaffi was on board the ship, and had fled the country (his first personal statement looked like it just might've been made at sea, and nobody else in Tripoli seems to need an umbrella) but no such luck. He must know that nobody would take him in anyway. He's pretty much doomed, but too mad to know it.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby 23 » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:13 pm

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 61,00.html
Gaddafi's Next Move: Sabotage Oil and Sow Chaos?

There's been virtually no reliable information coming out of Tripoli, but a source close to the Gaddafi regime I did manage to get hold of told me the already terrible situation in Libya will get much worse. Among other things, Gaddafi has ordered security services to start sabotaging oil facilities. They will start by blowing up several oil pipelines, cutting off flow to Mediterranean ports. The sabotage, according to the insider, is meant to serve as a message to Libya's rebellious tribes: It's either me or chaos.

Two weeks ago this same man had told me the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt would never touch Libya. Gaddafi, he said, had a tight lock on all of the major tribes, the same ones that have kept him in power for the past 41 years. The man of course turned out to be wrong, and everything he now has to say about Gaddafi's intentions needs to be taken in that context.

The source went on and told me that Gaddafi's desperation has a lot to with the fact that he now can only count on the loyalty of his tribe, the Qadhadhfa. And as for the army, as of Monday he only has the loyalty of approximately 5,000 troops. They are his elite forces, the officers all handpicked. Among them is the unit commanded by his second youngest son Khamis, the 32nd Brigade. (The total strength of the regular Libyan army is 45,000.)

My Libyan source said that Gaddafi has told people around him that he knows he cannot retake Libya with the forces he has. But what he can do is make the rebellious tribes and army officers regret their disloyalty, turning Libya into another Somalia. "I have the money and arms to fight for a long time," Gaddafi reportedly said.

As part of the same plan to turn the tables, Gaddafi ordered the release from prison of the country's Islamic militant prisoners, hoping they will act on their own to sow chaos across Libya. Gaddafi envisages them attacking foreigners and rebellious tribes. Couple that with a shortage of food supplies, and any chance for the rebels to replace Gaddafi will be remote.

My Libyan source said that in order to understand Gaddafi's state of mind we need to understand that he feels deeply betrayed by the media, which he blames for sparking the revolt. In particular, he blames the Qatari TV station al-Jazeera, and is convinced it targeted him for purely political motivations. He also feels betrayed by the West because it has only encouraged the revolt. Over the weekend, he warned several European embassies that if he falls, the consequence will be a flood of African immigration that will "swamp" Europe.

Pressed, my Libyan source acknowledged Gaddafi is a desperate, irrational man, and his threats to turn Libya into another Somalia at this point may be mostly bluffing. On the other hand, if Gaddafi in fact enjoys the loyalty of troops he thinks he has, he very well could take Libya to the brink of civil war, if not over.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby DevilYouKnow » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:42 pm

"Die Untergang"-vibes from Gaddafi's speech from his bunker today. He seems half demented, or drugged, or both. At the same time, there was the same disbelief that I sensed in Mubarak's last speech. What, my dear children, why are you saying such things? Why are you not obeying? How dare you?
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby Jeff » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:46 pm

According to Jana, the official Libyan news agency, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi called his "friend" Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi on Tuesday to tell him "Libya is fine," Reuters reports.

The Libyan news agency said that the "Brother leader," told Mr. Berlusconi: "Whoever wants to know the truth should closely follow the Libyan media and not turn to the lies and the fabricated information broadcast by the organs of traitors and the depraved."

On Monday, Mr. Berlusconi had broken his silence over the reported atrocities in Libya, calling the use of force against civilians "unacceptable." The Italian leader, who has cultivated close ties with his Libyan counterpart, was criticized over the weekend for saying that he did not want to "disturb" Colonel Qaddafi during the bloody crackdown on protesters.

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The close ties between the Italian and Libyan leaders became the subject of closer scrutiny and mockery last year, after an Italian newspaper reported that a young woman told Milan police that Mr. Berlusconi called sex parties at his home "bunga bunga," in reference to a rite of Colonel Qaddafi's harem.


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Re: The Libya thread

Postby Laodicean » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:19 pm

Revolution. It's good business. Time to buckle up at the gas pumps, folks...

Oil prices soar to two-year high on worries over crisis in Libya

NEW YORK — Oil prices soared to the highest level in more than two years as Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi urged his supporters to attack protesters who are violently challenging his 42-year rule.

Only a small part of Libya's oil production appeared to be affected, though analysts fear that similar revolts will spread to OPEC heavyweights like Iran.

Benchmark West Texas Intermediate for April delivery jumped $5.71, or 6.4 percent, to settle at $95.42 per barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Oil hasn't been that high since it settled at $97.92 on Oct. 1, 2008.

Libya holds the most oil reserves in Africa and is the world's 15th-largest crude exporter at 1.2 million barrels per day, according to the Energy Information Administration. As the Libyan government cracked down on protesters, Western oil companies including Eni and Repsol-YPF temporarily suspended oil production in the country. BP has started evacuating workers.

Any production losses in Libya could be quickly absorbed by other countries like Saudi Arabia. The official Saudi Press Agency quoted Saudi Arabia's oil minister Ali Naimi as saying that Saudi's production capacity of 12.5 million barrels per day can help "compensate for any shortage in international supplies." Saudi Arabia currently produces around 8 million barrels per day.


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Re: The Libya thread

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:30 pm

Jeff wrote:"...lies and fabricated information broadcast by the organs of traitors and the depraved."


That's a perfect description of Berlusconi's Mediaset, funnily enough.

The "bunga bunga" thing is clearly just a bit of laddish male-bonding. Couldn't possibly be anything sinister behind that.

A story about the phrase here:

"The sound of it is crude and infantile. It is almost like a racist Africanism - some kind of colonial imagined tribal ritual of sexual abandon," he says.

"It has a racist, imperialist quality to it - like a phoney African word, like 'wonga'.

"It's so naughty and childish, it goes very nicely with the image that I think Mr Berlusconi wants to cultivate, as comic and absurd."

Ms Piras says that usage of the phrase in Italy has brought to a new level Mr Berlusconi's image as "jester-in-chief".

"He has managed to capture in a slogan the imagination of many of his male compatriots, and the utter contempt of almost every Italian woman."

The phrase "bunga bunga" exists in other languages - in Filipino, it is slang for something "hot" or fashionable, in Indonesian it means flowers.

But, for now, it has an association with the Italian prime minister and the current political scandal - or "bunga bunga-gate", if you will.


A lot more at the link, if it's not been posted before. The Dreadnought Hoax is an interesting story in itself : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12325796
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby 82_28 » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:38 pm

Only Jeff could come up with an idea for a thread this timely. Just kiddin'.

I thought about starting this thread too, but wasn't sure as to its proliferation status.

What I think of it as of now?

Fuckin' weird. And though he's been in my life since I was born, I still don't quite know what the convention is on the anglicized spelling of Kadafi's name.

Just weird times overall, eh?
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:01 pm

82_28 wrote: I still don't quite know what the convention is on the anglicized spelling of Kadafi's name.


I've been having trouble with that as well. It was always Gaddafi to me, and that's how it was spelled in the UK press from the mid-eighties onward, but I'm seeing a lot of Qaddafi around the place now. It seems to be kind of a Burma/Myanmar, Bombay/Mumbai thing. I suppose Qaddafi is the more correct spelling.

But considering what we could justifiably be calling him, he should content himself with whatever he gets. Even Cadaphy would be fine.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby barracuda » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:12 pm

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Re: The Libya thread

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:27 pm

Here's a vote for Muammar Gadhafi, but

From http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser ... ddafi.html

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Because of the difficulty translating Arabic to English, there are several different translations -- the Library of Congress lists 72 alternate spellings, and the New York times, Associated Press and Xinhua news sources used 40 additional spellings between 1998 and 2008.

We've posted all 112 of them below...
Qaddafi, Muammar
Al-Gathafi, Muammar
al-Qadhafi, Muammar
Al Qathafi, Mu'ammar
Al Qathafi, Muammar
El Gaddafi, Moamar
El Kadhafi, Moammar
El Kazzafi, Moamer
El Qathafi, Mu'Ammar
Gadafi, Muammar
Gaddafi, Moamar
Gadhafi, Mo'ammar
Gathafi, Muammar
Ghadafi, Muammar
Ghaddafi, Muammar
Ghaddafy, Muammar
Gheddafi, Muammar
Gheddafi, Muhammar
Kadaffi, Momar
Kad'afi, Mu`amar al- 20
Kaddafi, Muamar
Kaddafi, Muammar
Kadhafi, Moammar
Kadhafi, Mouammar
Kazzafi, Moammar
Khadafy, Moammar
Khaddafi, Muammar
Moamar al-Gaddafi
Moamar el Gaddafi
Moamar El Kadhafi
Moamar Gaddafi
Moamer El Kazzafi
Mo'ammar el-Gadhafi
Moammar El Kadhafi
Mo'ammar Gadhafi
Moammar Kadhafi
Moammar Khadafy
Moammar Qudhafi
Mu`amar al-Kad'afi
Mu'amar al-Kadafi
Muamar Al-Kaddafi
Muamar Kaddafi
Muamer Gadafi
Muammar Al-Gathafi
Muammar al-Khaddafi
Mu'ammar al-Qadafi
Mu'ammar al-Qaddafi
Muammar al-Qadhafi
Mu'ammar al-Qadhdhafi
Mu`ammar al-Qadhdhāfī 50
Mu'ammar Al Qathafi
Muammar Al Qathafi
Muammar Gadafi
Muammar Gaddafi
Muammar Ghadafi
Muammar Ghaddafi
Muammar Ghaddafy
Muammar Gheddafi
Muammar Kaddafi
Muammar Khaddafi
Mu'ammar Qadafi
Muammar Qaddafi
Muammar Qadhafi
Mu'ammar Qadhdhafi
Muammar Quathafi
Mulazim Awwal Mu'ammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Qadhafi
Qadafi, Mu'ammar
Qadhafi, Muammar
Qadhdhāfī, Mu`ammar
Qathafi, Mu'Ammar el 70
Quathafi, Muammar
Qudhafi, Moammar
Moamar AI Kadafi
Maummar Gaddafi
Moamar Gadhafi
Moamer Gaddafi
Moamer Kadhafi
Moamma Gaddafi
Moammar Gaddafi
Moammar Gadhafi
Moammar Ghadafi
Moammar Khadaffy
Moammar Khaddafi
Moammar el Gadhafi
Moammer Gaddafi
Mouammer al Gaddafi
Muamar Gaddafi
Muammar Al Ghaddafi
Muammar Al Qaddafi
Muammar Al Qaddafi
Muammar El Qaddafi
Muammar Gadaffi
Muammar Gadafy
Muammar Gaddhafi
Muammar Gadhafi
Muammar Ghadaffi
Muammar Qadthafi
Muammar al Gaddafi
Muammar el Gaddafy
Muammar el Gaddafi
Muammar el Qaddafi
Muammer Gadaffi
Muammer Gaddafi
Mummar Gaddafi
Omar Al Qathafi
Omar Mouammer Al Gaddafi
Omar Muammar Al Ghaddafi
Omar Muammar Al Qaddafi
Omar Muammar Al Qathafi
Omar Muammar Gaddafi
Omar Muammar Ghaddafi
Omar al Ghaddafi


He should have just offered to run all of these in an open election.

If in a couple of years a move is made to rationalize the spelling of Arabic names in English usage, it will be a sign that the Arab world is being treated at least formally as equal and sovereign; as was the case with the rationalization in the spelling of Chinese names back in the late 1970s (when it went Peking to Beijing, Mao Tse-Tung to Mao Zedong, Teng Hsiao-Ping to Deng Xiaoping).

Also:

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2011/0222/Gaddafi-Kadafi-Qaddafi-What-s-the-correct-spelling

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The banner at the top of his official website spells it, "AL Gathafi." But if you go deeper into the site, you'll see it variously rendered as "Al Qaddafi," "Algathafi," and "Al-Gathafi." Adding to the multitude of his spellings is the increasingly ironically named "Al-Gaddafi International Prize for Human Rights."

[...]

All this would just be a matter of idle curiosity if it weren't for the Web. Go to Google News and type in "Gadhafi." Now try "Qaddafi." And now try "Gaddafi." Notice how it returns three completely different lists of stories? How you choose to spell it determines what news you get.

This may be the point at which one feel's one's grip on reality loosening. Do we change the spelling to whatever is the most-Google-searched-for rendering? What if it changes again? How do we find stories on our own site if we keep changing the spelling of the guy's name? And where did all these variations come from in the first place, if not the news media? Can't we just get together at the next ASNE conference and all agree to spell it one way?


I guess Mayyoh Sha'attaturk should have thought of this novel anti-SEO strategy.

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Re: The Libya thread

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:29 pm

Well. Mo' Cataffey it is then. Glad that's settled.
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