12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:15 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:Those who [1] make the deficit or fears of hyperinflation into the issue while [2] the bankster pigs who conducted the greatest global robbery of all history still run free and illegitimately control ultra-trillions in capital flows, and while the rich and their right-wing polit-commandos wage the most open class war in all American history -- they're bringing back child labor!!! -- are the enemies of life on earth. Including that of their own posterity. Fuck the deficit. Fight the class war.


you write as if [1] and [2] are two distinct and entirely unrelated things. i don't see it that way.


The size of the deficit and public debt is certainly in large part a product of the bankers' plunder, as we know. To therefore focus on the deficit as the biggest issue and on hyperinflation as the worst threat plays into the bankers' discourse. The real issue should be how to neutralize the TBTF Banks in their continued attack on the world -- to line up the perpetrators at the nearest (metaphorical) guillotine, seize their assets, end the bailouts, and cancel whatever public debt they purport to hold, reboot the currency if necessary and direct capital to the urgently needed conversions of the energy and transport systems (which also means recovery and those hotly coveted beloved "jobs").

These people are part of the class war that's robbing everyone of the rights to organize, assemble, petition, and expect to be paid for their labor, and seeks to restore the labor conditions of the 19th century. These people are the ones fighting a variety of wars to keep the machinery of overconsumption operating. It's [b]their fucking deficit and given a choice between what they want, which is tantamount to the restoration of mass servitude, and the danger of hyperinflation, then I prefer the latter.[/b] Hyperinflations are a danger (not always) when the system melts down and are accompany processes that represent an opportunity for change. Deflation is the intended functioning of the system, the means by which the rich get richer and everyone else is broken.

What I object to is the idea that hyperinflation is what "they want." That's not their endgame. They have a lot of cash and hold a lot of debt and they like buying things for cheap, especially labor.

None of this is to say I welcome hyperinflation. I reject that deficits and the danger of hyperinflation and the precious savings of the 10 percent who have any net savings should be an overriding concern when the real game is to enslave the people. (I also reject the model that claims that money supply causes inflation. Inflation comes from demand or from commodity price rises. Hyperinflation is the some-time result from a global loss of confidence in the ability of a national economy to manage its debts as a whole, regardless of cause. Whether that will happen with the dollar is an open question because the key players worldwide consider it TBTF. At any rate, widespread debt jubilee is the right strategy for dealing with excessive debt, rather than printing money.)

anyway when i read pensions, i'm thinking union pension funds, workers pensions and savings (i.e. social security), etc., not the money the rich have overseas or their assets or whatever. i'm thinking Larry Summers "investing" other poeple's money.


Go back and read what Lira wrote. This was the part that got me the angriest! He was saying this wouldn't happen because the unions are so powerful, which is why "the government" would come after the poor "individual" investor, since they don't have a lobby, like the unions. Consider what's happening to the workers all over the country right now! That's radical right mythology.

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again, Lira's political stance (whatever it is aside) where we, JR and vk, differ is seen in the part i made red and bolded, that is:
(1) yes it's their deficit,
(2) yes they want mass restoration of servitude (they've had it for quite some time),
(3) the danger of hyperinflation (here's where we disagree) is one way – i repeat, one way – of bringing about a greater degree of servitude.

and this is key, (and here i agree with c2w?) even the danger of hyperinflation alone ("dangers" in general) is a useful tool of control and robbery. apart from that "dangers" or "crises" can be managed and controlled and made use of. actual hyperinflation is yet another tool.

i don't buy the idea of the "economy" (especially this capitalist "economy") as some natural power or source or entity that exists independently of the people who set it up and control it. (of course i realize that that's the line taught in "economics" departments, but like any ideology the people who preach it benefit). "economics" is not a science, it is a set up, a controlled economy, as has been said before, much like a casino. in this controlled economy "crises" can be managed.

there's a quote by someone in Inside Job that i'll cite here from memory: "since the eighties the economy has been through crisis after crisis but every time the rich have only gotten richer."

some would say that is coincidental. some say, as always, that they were caught by surprise. David Harvey mentioned a few of the "explanations" in the RSA animation (first five minutes).

in case your memory needs refreshing:



the folks at the BoE promtped by ze qween told pointed at "systemic risk". Harvey translated that as "the internal contradictions of capital accumulation".

if, and even you Jr have been known to say this, if the system is rigged then crises are managed, and the management of perception is one of the levers. moreover hyperinflation is one of the tools in the tool box.

if hyperinflation or the fear of it gets them what they want, i don't see why they wouldn't make use of it.

another way of doing it i posted earlier: the FED forces the US into default. bye-bye pensions and Soc-security.

as for what Lira said about unions. isn't that the whole point of unions? to balance the power of capital? Lira may not like it, but i'm glad they still exist and i hope they are still able to do what he fears/believes they will do. stand up to the bagman of the ruling class that is the US gov.

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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:50 pm

as good a thread as any:

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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby barracuda » Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:26 pm

vanlose kid wrote:"hyperinflation" is not a natural event, but a controlled crisis. [not something that happens, but something that is made to happen.


Maybe. But the mechanism itself is entirely organic, and dependant upon the dynamics of the subject population's trust in the ability of a currency to hold value. Per the wiki article:

Hyperinflation becomes visible when there is an unchecked increase in the money supply (see hyperinflation in Zimbabwe) usually accompanied by a widespread unwillingness on the part of the local population to hold the hyperinflationary money for more than the time needed to trade it for something non-monetary to avoid further loss of real value. Hyperinflation is often associated with wars (or their aftermath), currency meltdowns, political or social upheavals, or aggressive bidding on currency exchanges...


So the typical hyperinflationary consumer-side defense tactic is to convert any held currency to goods or services as quickly as possible, before that scrip can significantly devalue. This is the feedback loop which creates the phenomenon. Any person here who really thinks hyperinflation is looming ought to be emptying out any savings they might have to purchase goods while the currency still retains it's value.

Hyperinflation is a political crisis, in many ways more than it is an economic one, and highly delegitimising by its very nature.

vanlose kid wrote:and this is key, (and here i agree with c2w?) even the danger of hyperinflation alone ("dangers" in general) is a useful tool of control and robbery. apart from that "dangers" or "crises" can be managed and controlled and made use of. actual hyperinflation is yet another tool.


I'm trying to identify a historical example of hyperinflation used as a managed tool of the shadow elite, but I haven't yet found such an example. If it is can be controlled in such a manner, I would have to say that is a very dangerous move, for the difficulties of effective governance - i.e., control - are surely compounded in such an environment. This lack of control is due to the organic nature of the mechanics of hyperinflation on the actual street, and is one of the main reasons why it won't be allowed to happen, at least not lightly. No power wants their currency to disappear and be replaced by that of a foreign sovereignty, such as the end result in Zimbabwe.
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:13 pm

^ ^ and i'd agree with you re historic examples. it would be like finding proof that 911 was an inside job. the victors write history.

have just finished watching Inside Job, and as they say in the film, it'd be hard (not impossible) but very hard to find proof of it. what i do see is that the same people/banks/institutions have grown stronger, the same people still rule in academia. i very much doubt they'd write a true account of what happened. Mishkin has revised his "textbook". Summer is still teaching.

i also very much doubt that they've changed their ways. there is still money out there. the pension funds, retirement funds, SS etc., – all that is still lying around waiting for someone to come get it. i think they plan on getting it one way or another.

maybe not, eh?

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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby barracuda » Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:26 pm

vanlose kid wrote:^ ^ and i'd agree with you re historic examples. it would be like finding proof that 911 was an inside job. the victors write history.


But aren't the historical causes and effects of hyperinflation well known? I mean, you can point to any example, and the process by which the currencies failed is fairly straightforward, ranging from the piano dropped off the skyscraper to the straw-like incident which broke the camel's back. I'm not looking for the smoking gun to the ultrabanking conspiracy, just poking around, trying to spot a little cui bono.

I guess you could say the Allies benefited in the short run by the immediate concessions of the Treaty of Versailles, for example, but the resulting hyperinflation from the German financial obligations can't have brought a great deal of happiness to anyone. The outcome of such a violent ecnomic environment is a crap shoot in the long run.

And I have another question: is hyperinflation a purely modern phenomenon? I don't see many examples before the second half of the ninteenth century.
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:14 pm

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vanlose kid wrote:^ ^ and i'd agree with you re historic examples. it would be like finding proof that 911 was an inside job. the victors write history.


But aren't the historical causes and effects of hyperinflation well known? I mean, you can point to any example, and the process by which the currencies failed is fairly straightforward, ranging from the piano dropped off the skyscraper to the straw-like incident which broke the camel's back. I'm not looking for the smoking gun to the ultrabanking conspiracy, just poking around, trying to spot a little cui bono.

I guess you could say the Allies benefited in the short run by the immediate concessions of the Treaty of Versailles, for example, but the resulting hyperinflation from the German financial obligations can't have brought a great deal of happiness to anyone. The outcome of such a violent ecnomic environment is a crap shoot in the long run.

And I have another question: is hyperinflation a purely modern phenomenon? I don't see many examples before the second half of the ninteenth century.


i'd say so yeah: they are well known. they're pretty much covered in the two articles i posted upthread as a sort of definition. but there's this: when i read those, i read mainly descriptions of what happened, and then various common business school "explanations" as to why or more importantly how and by whom.

here's a different take on the phenomenon (more in line with classical economics as expressed in Das Kapital if you will). it's an unorthodox answer to the question "what is hyperinfaltion?" (think Soros if you want a near contemporary example of how its done):

The Weimar Hyperinflation? Could it Happen Again?
by Ellen Brown
http://globalresearch.ca/. May 19. 2009

"It was horrible. Horrible! Like lightning it struck. No one was prepared. The shelves in the grocery stores were empty. You could buy nothing with your paper money." - Harvard University law professor Friedrich Kessler on the Weimar Republic hyperinflation (1993 interview)

Some worried commentators are predicting a massive hyperinflation of the sort suffered by Weimar Germany in 1923, when a wheelbarrow full of paper money could barely buy a loaf of bread. An April 29 editorial in the San Francisco Examiner warned:
"With an unprecedented deficit that's approaching $2 trillion, [the President's 2010] budget proposal is a surefire prescription for hyperinflation. So every senator and representative who votes for this monster $3.6 trillion budget will be endorsing a spending spree that could very well turn America into the next Weimar Republic."1
In an investment newsletter called Money Morning on April 9, Martin Hutchinson pointed to disturbing parallels between current government monetary policy and Weimar Germany's, when 50% of government spending was being funded by seigniorage - merely printing money.2 However, there is something puzzling in his data. He indicates that the British government is already funding more of its budget by seigniorage than Weimar Germany did at the height of its massive hyperinflation; yet the pound is still holding its own, under circumstances said to have caused the complete destruction of the German mark. Something else must have been responsible for the mark's collapse besides mere money-printing to meet the government's budget, but what? And are we threatened by the same risk today? Let's take a closer look at the data.

History Repeats Itself - or Does It?
In his well-researched article, Hutchinson notes that Weimar Germany had been suffering from inflation ever since World War I; but it was in the two year period between 1921 and 1923 that the true "Weimar hyperinflation" occurred. By the time it had ended in November 1923, the mark was worth only one-trillionth of what it had been worth back in 1914. Hutchinson goes on:

"The current policy mix reflects those of Germany during the period between 1919 and 1923. The Weimar government was unwilling to raise taxes to fund post-war reconstruction and war-reparations payments, and so it ran large budget deficits. It kept interest rates far below inflation, expanding money supply rapidly and raising 50% of government spending through seigniorage (printing money and living off the profits from issuing it). . . .

"The really chilling parallel is that the United States, Britain and Japan have now taken to funding their budget deficits through seigniorage. In the United States, the Fed is buying $300 billion worth of U.S. Treasury bonds (T-bonds) over a six-month period, a rate of $600 billion per annum, 15% of federal spending of $4 trillion. In Britain, the Bank of England (BOE) is buying 75 billion pounds of gilts [the British equivalent of U.S. Treasury bonds] over three months. That's 300 billion pounds per annum, 65% of British government spending of 454 billion pounds. Thus, while the United States is approaching Weimar German policy (50% of spending) quite rapidly, Britain has already overtaken it!"

And that is where the data gets confusing. If Britain is already meeting a larger percentage of its budget deficit by seigniorage than Germany did at the height of its hyperinflation, why is the pound now worth about as much on foreign exchange markets as it was nine years ago, under circumstances said to have driven the mark to a trillionth of its former value in the same period, and most of this in only two years? Meanwhile, the U.S. dollar has actually gotten stronger relative to other currencies since the policy was begun last year of massive "quantitative easing" (today's euphemism for seigniorage).3 Central banks rather than governments are now doing the printing, but the effect on the money supply should be the same as in the government money-printing schemes of old. The government debt bought by the central banks is never actually paid off but is just rolled over from year to year; and once the new money is in the money supply, it stays there, diluting the value of the currency. So why haven't our currencies already collapsed to a trillionth of their former value, as happened in Weimar Germany? Indeed, if it were a simple question of supply and demand, a government would have to print a trillion times its earlier money supply to drop its currency by a factor of a trillion; and even the German government isn't charged with having done that. Something else must have been going on in the Weimar Republic, but what?

Schacht Lets the Cat Out of the Bag
Light is thrown on this mystery by the later writings of Hjalmar Schacht, the currency commissioner for the Weimar Republic. The facts are explored at length in The Lost Science of Money by Stephen Zarlenga, who writes that in Schacht's 1967 book The Magic of Money, he "let the cat out of the bag, writing in German, with some truly remarkable admissions that shatter the 'accepted wisdom' the financial community has promulgated on the German hyperinflation." What actually drove the wartime inflation into hyperinflation, said Schacht, was speculation by foreign investors, who would bet on the mark's decreasing value by selling it short.

Short selling is a technique used by investors to try to profit from an asset's falling price. It involves borrowing the asset and selling it, with the understanding that the asset must later be bought back and returned to the original owner. The speculator is gambling that the price will have dropped in the meantime and he can pocket the difference. Short selling of the German mark was made possible because private banks made massive amounts of currency available for borrowing, marks that were created on demand and lent to investors, returning a profitable interest to the banks.

At first, the speculation was fed by the Reichsbank (the German central bank), which had recently been privatized. But when the Reichsbank could no longer keep up with the voracious demand for marks, other private banks were allowed to create them out of nothing and lend them at interest as well.4


A Story with an Ironic Twist
If Schacht is to be believed, not only did the government not cause the hyperinflation but it was the government that got the situation under control. The Reichsbank was put under strict regulation, and prompt corrective measures were taken to eliminate foreign speculation by eliminating easy access to loans of bank-created money.
More interesting is a little-known sequel to this tale. What allowed Germany to get back on its feet in the 1930s was the very thing today's commentators are blaming for bringing it down in the 1920s - money issued by seigniorage by the government. Economist Henry C. K. Liu calls this form of financing "sovereign credit." He writes of Germany's remarkable transformation:

"The Nazis came to power in Germany in 1933, at a time when its economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Yet through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full-employment public-works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies it could exploit, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began."5

While Hitler clearly deserves the opprobrium heaped on him for his later atrocities, he was enormously popular with his own people, at least for a time. This was evidently because he rescued Germany from the throes of a worldwide depression - and he did it through a plan of public works paid for with currency generated by the government itself. Projects were first earmarked for funding, including flood control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and construction of new buildings, roads, bridges, canals, and port facilities. The projected cost of the various programs was fixed at one billion units of the national currency. One billion non-inflationary bills of exchange called Labor Treasury Certificates were then issued against this cost.

Millions of people were put to work on these projects, and the workers were paid with the Treasury Certificates. The workers then spent the certificates on goods and services, creating more jobs for more people. These certificates were not actually debt-free but were issued as bonds, and the government paid interest on them to the bearers. But the certificates circulated as money and were renewable indefinitely, making them a de facto currency; and they avoided the need to borrow from international lenders or to pay off international debts.6 The Treasury Certificates did not trade on foreign currency markets, so they were beyond the reach of the currency speculators. They could not be sold short because there was no one to sell them to, so they retained their value.

Within two years, Germany's unemployment problem had been solved and the country was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States and other Western countries were still out of work and living on welfare. Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, although it was denied foreign credit and was faced with an economic boycott abroad. It did this by using a barter system: equipment and commodities were exchanged directly with other countries, circumventing the international banks. This system of direct exchange occurred without debt and without trade deficits. Although Germany's economic experiment was short-lived, it left some lasting monuments to its success, including the famous Autobahn, the world's first extensive superhighway.7

The Lessons of History: Not Always What They Seem
Germany's scheme for escaping its crippling debt and reinvigorating a moribund economy was clever, but it was not actually original with the Germans. The notion that a government could fund itself by printing and delivering paper receipts for goods and services received was first devised by the American colonists. Benjamin Franklin credited the remarkable growth and abundance in the colonies, at a time when English workers were suffering the impoverished conditions of the Industrial Revolution, to the colonists' unique system of government-issued money. In the nineteenth century, Senator Henry Clay called this the "American system," distinguishing it from the "British system" of privately-issued paper banknotes. After the American Revolution, the American system was replaced in the U.S. with banker-created money; but government-issued money was revived during the Civil War, when Abraham Lincoln funded his government with U.S. Notes or "Greenbacks" issued by the Treasury.

The dramatic difference in the results of Germany's two money-printing experiments was a direct result of the uses to which the money was put. Price inflation results when "demand" (money) increases more than "supply" (goods and services), driving prices up; and in the experiment of the 1930s, new money was created for the purpose of funding productivity, so supply and demand increased together and prices remained stable. Hitler said, "For every mark issued, we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done, or goods produced." In the hyperinflationary disaster of 1923, on the other hand, money was printed merely to pay off speculators, causing demand to shoot up while supply remained fixed. The result was not just inflation but hyperinflation, since the speculation went wild, triggering rampant tulip-bubble-style mania and panic.

This was also true in Zimbabwe, a dramatic contemporary example of runaway inflation. The crisis dated back to 2001, when Zimbabwe defaulted on its loans and the IMF refused to make the usual accommodations, including refinancing and loan forgiveness. Apparently, the IMF's intention was to punish the country for political policies of which it disapproved, including land reform measures that involved reclaiming the lands of wealthy landowners. Zimbabwe's credit was ruined and it could not get loans elsewhere, so the government resorted to issuing its own national currency and using the money to buy U.S. dollars on the foreign-exchange market. These dollars were then used to pay the IMF and regain the country's credit rating.8 According to a statement by the Zimbabwe central bank, the hyperinflation was caused by speculators who manipulated the foreign-exchange market, charging exorbitant rates for U.S. dollars, causing a drastic devaluation of the Zimbabwe currency.

The government's real mistake, however, may have been in playing the IMF's game at all. Rather than using its national currency to buy foreign fiat money to pay foreign lenders, it could have followed the lead of Abraham Lincoln and the American colonists and issued its own currency to pay for the production of goods and services for its own people. Inflation would then have been avoided, because supply would have kept up with demand; and the currency would have served the local economy rather than being siphoned off by speculators.

The Real Weimar Threat and How It Can Be Avoided
Is the United States, then, out of the hyperinflationary woods with its "quantitative easing" scheme? Maybe, maybe not. To the extent that the newly-created money will be used for real economic development and growth, funding by seigniorage is not likely to inflate prices, because supply and demand will rise together. Using quantitative easing to fund infrastructure and other productive projects, as in President Obama's stimulus package, could invigorate the economy as promised, producing the sort of abundance reported by Benjamin Franklin in America's flourishing early years.

There is, however, something else going on today that is disturbingly similar to what triggered the 1923 hyperinflation. As in Weimar Germany, money creation in the U.S. is now being undertaken by a privately-owned central bank, the Federal Reserve; and it is largely being done to settle speculative bets on the books of private banks, without producing anything of value to the economy. As gold investor James Sinclair warned nearly two years ago:

"[T]he real problem is a trembling $20 trillion mountain of over the counter credit and default derivatives. Think deeply about the Weimar Republic case study because every day it looks more and more like a repeat in cause and effect . . . ."9

The $12.9 billion in bailout funds funneled through AIG to pay Goldman Sachs for its highly speculative credit default swaps is just one egregious example.10 To the extent that the money generated by "quantitative easing" is being sucked into the black hole of paying off these speculative derivative bets, we could indeed be on the Weimar road and there is real cause for alarm. We have been led to believe that we must prop up a zombie Wall Street banking behemoth because without it we would have no credit system, but that is not true. There is another viable alternative, and it may prove to be our only viable alternative. We can beat Wall Street at its own game, by forming publicly-owned banks that issue the full faith and credit of the United States not for private speculative profit but as a public service, for the benefit of the United States and its people.11


Ellen Brown developed her research skills as an attorney practicing civil litigation in Los Angeles. In Web of Debt, her latest book, she turns those skills to an analysis of the Federal Reserve and "the money trust." She shows how this private cartel has usurped the power to create money from the people themselves, and how we the people can get it back. Her websites are http://www.webofdebt.com and http://www.ellenbrown.com.

Notes
1. "Examiner Editorial: Get Ready for Obama's Coming Hyperinflation," San Francisco Examiner, April 29, 2009.
2. Martin Hutchinson, "Is It 1932 - or 1923?", Money Morning (April 9, 2009).
3. See Monthly Average Graphs, x-rate.com.
4. Stephen Zarlenga, The Lost Science of Money (Valatie, New York: American Monetary Institute, 2002), pages 590-600; S. Zarlenga, "Germany's 1923 Hyperinflation: A 'Private' Affair," Barnes Review (July-August 1999).
5. Henry C. K. Liu, "Nazism and the German Economic Miracle," Asia Times (May 24, 2005).
6. S. Zarlenga, op. cit.
7. Matt Koehl, "The Good Society?", Rense (January 13, 2005).
8. "Bags of Bricks: Zimbabweans Get New Money - for What It's Worth," The Economist (August 24, 2006); Thomas Homes, "IMF Contributes to Zimbabwe's Hyperinflation," http://www.newzimbabwe.com (March 5, 2006).
9. Jim Sinclair, "Fed Actions a Bandaid on a Gaping Economic Wound," reprinted in Go for Gold, September 18, 2007.
10. Eliot Spitzer, "The Real AIG Scandal, Continued! The Transfer of $12.9 Billion from AIG to Goldman Looks Fishier and Fishier," Slate (March 22, 2009).
11. See Ellen Brown, "Cash Starved States Need to Play the Banking Game," webofdebt.com/articles (March 2, 2009).


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somewhere upthread freemason9 said: deficits don't matter. that proposition is not true in a void.

its truth depends on a nest of other propositions. in other words the fact of whether a deficit matters depends among other things on who prints the money, how, at what price, and to what use it is put. that's what Ellen Brown lays out.

as for the question of whether hyperinflation is a modern phenomenon i'd say yes. its a characteristic of the capitalist system. you can thank the protestants.

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ps: to clarify something. when i speak of "control" of the "economy" think of a casino. you run it. if you control everything and leave no room for chance you won't have customers. if you leave all to chance you won't have a casino. you want what's in the accounts of your customers. you let a few win once in a while so as to make it easier for you to rob the rest with their consent. that's "economics".

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Postby vanlose kid » Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:37 pm

b, to answer your question above as to who benefits from hyperinflation: who benefitted from the S&L "crisis", Enron, the dot-com bubble, the 2008 debacle? none of this was done is secret. none of "them" are hidden. they're still there. still benefitting.

watch Inside Job if you haven't yet. there's a perp walk with no outcome and no ruling. and it won't figure in "academic" accounts of what happened.

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Postby vanlose kid » Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:48 pm

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as an aside, Hjalmar Schacht called his book The Magic of Money. as he was German i don't think he was being ironic.

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Found this floating around the webs:http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3437909.0.html



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Just found this interesting statement from Barton Biggs. Heard it listening to the latest Stansberry internet documentary. (In case you wanna hear the Stansberry documentary. Lasts an hour or more. http://www.stansberryresearch.com/pro/1 ... PSIM369/PR)






...The REAL State of the U.S. Economy

I know many of my friends, colleagues, and family members are still in serious denial.

In the world of psychology, they call this the "normalcy bias."

You see, the normalcy bias actually refers to our natural reactions when facing a crisis.

The normalcy bias causes smart people to underestimate the possibility of a disaster and its effects. In short: People believe that since something has never happened before... it never will. We are all guilty of it... it's just human nature.

The normalcy bias also makes people unable to deal with a disaster, once it has occurred. Basically... people have a really hard time preparing for and dealing with something they have never experienced.

The normalcy bias often results in unnecessary deaths in disaster situations. For example, think about the Jewish populations of World War II...

As Barton Biggs reports in his book, Wealth, War, and Wisdom: "By the end of 1935, 100,000 Jews had left Germany, but 450,000 still [remained]. Wealthy Jewish families... kept thinking and hoping that the worst was over...

Many of the German Jews, brilliant, cultured, and cosmopolitan as they were, were too complacent. They had been in Germany so long and were so well established, they simply couldn't believe there was going to be a crisis that would endanger them. They were too comfortable. They believed the Nazi's anti-Semitism was an episodic event and that Hitler's bark was worse than his bite. [They] reacted sluggishly to the rise of Hitler for completely understandable but tragically erroneous reasons. Events moved much faster than they could imagine." This is one of the most tragic examples of the devastating effects of the "normalcy bias" the world has ever seen.
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:13 pm

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Ellen Brown's article argues for what I've been saying. She says the German hyperinflation was not primarily a strategy of the government, but a function of foreign speculation exploiting the insight that Germany could not repay its World War I debts. (Vultures!) Clearly, the devaluation of the currency by trillions was out of proportion to the amount printed or the seignoriage, as they called it. The issue was the inability to pay, and the resulting assumption of a political as well as economic crisis.

She doesn't mention that the Reichsbank (under Schacht) was able to reboot the currency after 1923 and the good years of Weimar followed. The disaster that led to the Nazis taking power came because of the Depression, in the years of deflation following 1930.

The foreign speculators who did the run on the Reichsmark in the early 1920s did it for gain. Their counterparts with regard to the dollar today would be BRIC, EU, London, Japan and lots of big banks and corporations that hold dollar reserves. They won't do such a thing unless they see gain. I expected they would as far back as 2004, influenced by the hyperinflationists of that time. I was wrong, the dollar's value underwent a correction but no collapse. The other powers don't want that yet, so it won't happen by plan. Yet. They are preparing or at least hedging for it with bilateral trade agreements in their own currencies. In the Wall Street thread, I have delineated a mechanism by which they could in fact convert their dollars into a new mechanism for settling trade balances amongst themselves. But if and when they do this, it will be primarily a political decision to end the period of American hegemony and empire.

vanlose, you give various examples of planned disasters that leave the rich richer each time. None of these were hyperinflations, however. The neoliberal strategists never worry much about unemployment, but they hate inflation. It's not a surprise to you, is it? I think it's clear by what mechanism deflation makes the rich richer, and why they like that. It's also clear why they love asset inflation, a.k.a. bubbles (you can make money on the pump and on the pop!), and why they also like commodity inflation, a.k.a. bubbles in derivatives. By what mechanism would currency hyperinflation make them richer? The most you've been able to offer is that they can use the threat of it to induce terror so that they can cut spending and commandeer more pools of collective capital (like Social Security or public pension funds). But how would the actual hyperinflation do that? The only claims I've seen have been from libertarians saying "the government" wants it to reduce its debt. But "the government" is in the hands of those who don't really care about its debt. They are happy to bankrupt it one day, long as they make out like bandits today.

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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby barracuda » Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:30 pm

To my knowledge, hyperinflation has only been purposely attempted as a means of destabilising an enemy economy during war. Examples which come to mind involve flooding an economy with counterfeit notes, such as the German move against the British pound known as "Operation Bernhard" in 1942.

One edit: perhaps also the CIA's move against the ruble.
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby Forgetting2 » Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:37 pm

I seem to recall some quotes a while back that the derivatives market was over a quadrillion. If that were true, then QE1 and 2 would merely have bought a little time and then the total supply of money and credit would still be in for a huge contraction, suggesting serious deflation. Made sense to me at the time anyways...

BTW, thanks for the Michael Hudson, Vanlose. Used to look for his stuff religiously a couple years back.

Also, I tend to think of TBTB as not being in full control of such things as markets, rather using their understandings to manipulate and ride the wave. Disaster capitalism and so on, giving a nudge here and there as required. (Still kind of an Elliot Wave follower.)

Do you suppose those billionaire fuckers sucking the wealth of the planet have their own secret word for Kawabunga? (Mixed metaphor, I know. The poor man's way of cramming 2 ideas into one sentence.)

And as long as I'm throwing in 2 cents on a topic I'm vastly under-informed of, the housing market has to continue it's collapse, in some places more than others. Given all the factors how many can afford to buy one even now?


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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:39 am

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Love that chart! You know the $800 T in shadow derivatives at the top is 100 percent guess. These are the derivatives contracts between parties who haven't told anyone they've placed bets with each other. Could be higher or lower. Doesn't matter because it's all what some scumbags hope to get in case given contingencies happen. They're betting many times the values that could ever be covered if even a fraction of the contingencies were to be activated (which will happen as the housing market continues to contract). If enough of these contingencies are activated, those levels go poof. Almost none of that gets paid off. It's like if you and me made a billion dollar bet on the outcome of a football game, but we've got a thousand dollars collateral between the two of us. There will be an outcome to the game, but neither of us gets the prize. (Well, the NFL could always cancel the next season and delay armaggedon, ha ha.) We'll call on a government to print money to bail us out because we're TBTF, but that can't work very far. All the QEs together are a fart if the intent is to cover the derivatives. They'll try to seize the planet, but it's not enough. All the money and GDP output could be sucked upward (prompting upheavals and revolutions everywhere), the pyramid would still go poof. Real money and assets land in some bank's balance sheets, where they stay to ostensibly cover its bets. The result is to suck money out of the real economy in an effort to cover the bullshit bets and thus deflationary, then a devaluation of the derivative fantasy total, then an unpredictable collapse and eventually a revaluation of everything along more practical lines. (The bozo who presents the chart thinks it's an argument for buying gold before it hits one million dollars an ounce!) The higher up the inverse pyramid you go, the more you're in a sick realm of bankster fantasy.

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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby Stephen Morgan » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:52 am

barracuda wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:and this is key, (and here i agree with c2w?) even the danger of hyperinflation alone ("dangers" in general) is a useful tool of control and robbery. apart from that "dangers" or "crises" can be managed and controlled and made use of. actual hyperinflation is yet another tool.


I'm trying to identify a historical example of hyperinflation used as a managed tool of the shadow elite, but I haven't yet found such an example.


There aren't that many examples of hyperinflation at all. Inflation was used by the international community to bring down the French socialist government of 1980-1, to weaken the British Labour governments of the 60s and 70s, and of course to break the combination of sterling with the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, that last being engineered by puppetmaster Soros. For the first two I refer you to The Vote, by Paul Foot.
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby Stephen Morgan » Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:02 am

JackRiddler wrote:.
How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?
Chap. 6, p. 111


Alright, maybe they both said it. I've read all the Sherlock Holmes stories, in the originally illustrated form, and I though it was one of the things he never said, like "Elementary, my dear Watson" or "Beam me up, Scotty".

Spock: An ancestor of mine maintained, that if you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.


Half human, of course.

Now I will avoid the part where I establish my superior geekhood by arguing that only the original Star Trek series is canonical! Because, Stephen, the truth is, I've seen your sites, and I know you to be the greater geek.

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Not on my sites, I'm not.

Anyway, at the very least The Animated Series must be considered canonical. As you're big with the quotations, perhaps you could tell me whether the similarity between the name of the Vulcan neck-breaking technique mentioned in TOS Babel and the name of the Romulan intelligence service, come TNG/DS9 era, is ever explained? Anyways, to me its all canon, except Star Trek XI. Obviously the Enterprise continuity errors and so on were explained by the final episode, where it's all explained as a badly written historical recreation done by meat-head Riker in a holodeck. At least that's how I choose to look at it.
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