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8bitagent wrote:From pouring over the Vanity Fair NORAD piece in 2006 as well as listening to a lot of the released audio (as well as looking at what was being thought or said at the time)
I always thought that instead of a "stand down", the situation was more of an "intentional confusion".
To me the key to understanding the air defenses that morning relate not just to the "is this real world or exercise" confusion, but more importantly the situation with "phantom flights".
Why, even General Myers talked about "Phantom 11" before the commission. It seems there was not just a Phantom 11 and Phantom 93, but all sorts of real time hijacked blips that not only showed
up on both NORAD and FAA screens; but the few available fighter jets were being scrambled to intercept them. I always felt the phantom blips and "Angel is Next" scenario were key anomalies in the day itself; as much as my research has tended to more focus on pre 9/11 intelligence.
8bitagent wrote:From pouring over the Vanity Fair NORAD piece in 2006 as well as listening to a lot of the released audio (as well as looking at what was being thought or said at the time)
I always thought that instead of a "stand down", the situation was more of an "intentional confusion".
To me the key to understanding the air defenses that morning relate not just to the "is this real world or exercise" confusion, but more importantly the situation with "phantom flights".
Why, even General Myers talked about "Phantom 11" before the commission. It seems there was not just a Phantom 11 and Phantom 93, but all sorts of real time hijacked blips that not only showed
up on both NORAD and FAA screens; but the few available fighter jets were being scrambled to intercept them. I always felt the phantom blips and "Angel is Next" scenario were key anomalies in the day itself; as much as my research has tended to more focus on pre 9/11 intelligence.
swindled69 wrote:8bitagent wrote:From pouring over the Vanity Fair NORAD piece in 2006 as well as listening to a lot of the released audio (as well as looking at what was being thought or said at the time)
I always thought that instead of a "stand down", the situation was more of an "intentional confusion".
To me the key to understanding the air defenses that morning relate not just to the "is this real world or exercise" confusion, but more importantly the situation with "phantom flights".
Why, even General Myers talked about "Phantom 11" before the commission. It seems there was not just a Phantom 11 and Phantom 93, but all sorts of real time hijacked blips that not only showed
up on both NORAD and FAA screens; but the few available fighter jets were being scrambled to intercept them. I always felt the phantom blips and "Angel is Next" scenario were key anomalies in the day itself; as much as my research has tended to more focus on pre 9/11 intelligence.
Yeah it's kind of hard to know what the fuck is going on when you have all kinds of fake radar blips on the screen in front of you during a War Game and then all of a sudden...."OK folks we got a live one here".....Like what? You mean right now?
Seriously I wonder what the odds are that on the exact day your running terrorist war games based on hijacked airplanes a group of men hijack fucking airplanes, gotta be astronomical .
elfismiles wrote:
Yukoner tackles 9/11 Korean Air 'hijackings' mystery
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/201 ... stery.html
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-04-25/y ... gs-mystery
And even more mysterious is why 2 Korean planes were transmitting a hijack "squawk" (a satellite code that can be discreetly set by a pilot to alert authorities on the ground of a hostile takeover), even though all was well on board the flights.
StarmanSkye wrote:Just a snippet. One could make a damn career out of trying to pierce the veil of secrecy that hides the truth of things and draw all the connections of who, what, when, where, why and the how of 911 as the (or ONE of several) lynchpin and rosetta-stone crystal balls distilling America Inc. Kleptocracy aka Autorepublocratic-demotechnocracy Imperialism, tracing its morphological emergence from the ashes of World War II thru the World Cold War III and into the current footnotes of World War IV.
Beware the voracious 911 labyrinthe!
'Living Embodiment' of First Earth Battalion
At one point in his probe of the military's spoon-benders, author Jon Ronson asked Stuart Heller, the friend of Marilyn Ferguson and Jim Channon, if he could name one soldier who was "the living embodiment" of the First Earth Battalion. Without a second thought, Heller replied: "Bert Rodriguez." "Bert's one of the most spiritual guys I've ever met," Heller told Ronson. "No. Spiritual is the wrong word. He's occultic. He's like a walking embodiment of death. He can stop you at a distance. He can influence physical events just with his mind. If he catches your attention he can stop you without touching you."
As Jon Ronson reported, "In April 2001, Bert Rodriguez took on a new student. His name was Ziad Jarrah. Ziad just turned up at the US 1 Fitness Center one day and said he had heard that Bert was good. Why Ziad chose Bert, of all the martial arts instructors scattered around the Florida shoreline, is a matter of speculation. Maybe Bert's uniquely occultic reputation preceded him, or perhaps it was Bert's military connections. Plus, Bert had once taught the head of security for a Saudi prince. Maybe that was it."
Ziad Jarrah presented himself as a Lebanese businessman, who traveled a great deal and wanted to protect himself. "I liked Ziad a lot," Rodriguez later told Ronson. "He was very humble, very quiet. He was in good shape. Very diligent." Rodriguez taught Jarrah "the choke hold and the kamikaze spirit. You need a code you'd die for, a do-or-die desire." Rodriguez added, "Ziad was like Luke Skywalker. You know when Luke walks the invisible path? You have to believe it's there. And if you do believe it it is there. Yeah, Ziad believed it. He was like Luke Skywalker."
Rodriguez trained Ziad Jarrah for six months, and gave him copies of several knife-fighting books he had written. Jarrah shared them with a friend, Marwan al-Shehhi, who boarded with him at the Panther Motel and Apartments in Deerfield Beach, Fla.
On Sept. 11, 2001, Ziad Jarrah took control of United Airlines flight 93, and crashed it in a field in Pennsylvania. Marwan al-Shehhi commandeered United Airlines flight 175 and crashed it into the South Tower of the World Trade Center in lower Manhattan.
8bitagent wrote:swindled69 wrote:8bitagent wrote:From pouring over the Vanity Fair NORAD piece in 2006 as well as listening to a lot of the released audio (as well as looking at what was being thought or said at the time)
I always thought that instead of a "stand down", the situation was more of an "intentional confusion".
To me the key to understanding the air defenses that morning relate not just to the "is this real world or exercise" confusion, but more importantly the situation with "phantom flights".
Why, even General Myers talked about "Phantom 11" before the commission. It seems there was not just a Phantom 11 and Phantom 93, but all sorts of real time hijacked blips that not only showed
up on both NORAD and FAA screens; but the few available fighter jets were being scrambled to intercept them. I always felt the phantom blips and "Angel is Next" scenario were key anomalies in the day itself; as much as my research has tended to more focus on pre 9/11 intelligence.
Yeah it's kind of hard to know what the fuck is going on when you have all kinds of fake radar blips on the screen in front of you during a War Game and then all of a sudden...."OK folks we got a live one here".....Like what? You mean right now?
Seriously I wonder what the odds are that on the exact day your running terrorist war games based on hijacked airplanes a group of men hijack fucking airplanes, gotta be astronomical .
Absolutely. But on top of that, what are the chances there would be duplicate blips of actual craft(like Flight 11) that lead fighter jets in the wrong direction? While that story was never covered up, I'm not sure if it was fully explored.
I came across a lot of oddball stuff in that Vanity Fair article which was originally posted with tons of audio from NORAD. It seemed that the blips for some of these flights, like 93, kept going even after the real plane crashed...Flight 93's blip kept going onto Washington DC.(another reason I think the passenger revolt or whatever it was on board that flight wasn't planned)
From interviews with ATCs, pouring over reports, etc it also seems the "hijackers" turned on the transponders right before each plane crashed.
In 2005 Rupert wrote an intriguing article about the war games/flight inject phantom blips/Ptech/Saudi Arabia
pt 1 http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... _pt1.shtml
pt 2 http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... _pt2.shtml
swindled69 wrote:
+1000 This is the nuts and bolts ladies and gentleman of 9/11. Somewhere in all that web that Ruppert/Hopsicker were looking at was the real frucking trail. Regardless of who they were, there is something there.
They must have some SERIOUS fucking state secret agreements for not onle of those controllers to have come forward.....or maybe there all dead?
I remember those day, when 9/11 truth was about the inconsistencies in the official account that are a mile long. Not speculation, conjecture, opinion and stretched thin half facts.
All I ever have to tell people about is the War Games, they get the clue, that shit doesn't happen on that day without someone knowing, period.
I accepted some years back that they got away with it.
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:OP source is KEVIN RYAN, formerly of Underwriters Laboratories, author of many physical evidence-based articles.
Please include the source in your thread. It matters.
...and 8bitagent...you just don't give a damn about evidence, do you? just your "feelings."
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