Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

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Re: Ex-wife gives alibi for JonBenet suspect

Postby Project Willow » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:49 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So we have the Ramseys in states of Georgia, Colorado, and Michigan. Not that it means anything, but what are the ritual abuse/mc hot spots? I seem to remember someone telling me Michigan was one of them.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>All of them are hot spots.<br><br>Michigan - high cult activity Detroit area and throughout the state. Military bases and hospitals used as mc facitlities.<br>Several ra/mc survivors from Detroit.<br><br>Georgia - Lockheed Martin, cult activity.<br><br>Colorado - Numerous defence contractors.<br><br>At link scroll down to:<br>GLOBAL MAP OF THE PREVALENCE OF RITUAL ABUSE-TORTURE<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.ritualabusetorture.org/index.htm">www.ritualabusetorture.org/index.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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re: OLM pageant

Postby juno jones » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:07 pm

Someone speculated that OLM and other kiddie pageants might be conduits for organized child porn, etc. I suddenly remembered an essay I read years ago about OLM. Harlan Ellison had this to say about OLM in 1970:<br><br> "Then came someone named Mr. Lynn, a gentleman of questionable demeanor (I'm avoiding lawsuits in my phraseology, friends) who is variously referred to in the publicity brochure as “ the 'Bert Parks' of the OLM pageant”, “Nationally famous personality”, “Prince Charming of the children's pageant world” ... ”A kalidescope [sic] personality”, and in an advertisement he obviously took for himself in the brochure, ... “One of America's foremost authorities of femenine [sic] beauty.”<br> Mister Lynn, who looked to my jaundiced eye like the sort of failed hairdresser who lures little children into the basements of churches with M&Ms, simpered his way through a saccharine introduction in praise of Shari (Lewis) and Frankie (Avalon, both co-hosts of this show) ...<br> ...out came the six finalists in the OLM division ... All six had ghastly Miss America smiles on their little faces. That wholly unnatural rictus that denotes neither joy nor warmth ... I had a vision of these unfortunate moppets smiling like that through all the days of their lives, till they were put in the final box, smile still strictured.<br> Then they brought out the half-dozen La Petite division children. Ages three to six. Tiny. My God, small. Innocent. And...O Jesus Jesus, they had blue eyeliner and lipstick and that awful model's pose...three to six years old...Oh Christ! They look twenty-five!<br> How can they do it? How can they turn kids under six into jaded strumpets of twenty-five? Mother of God, they all looked like hookers!<br> It's been years since I've felt the need to cry.<br> My lady, Cindy, watching the pageant with me, said in a stunned voice, “The producers of this thing must be ex-convicts who've served time for child molestation.” "<br><br>and:<br><br> " And for all his lisping sentimentality about the wonders of little girls, the held the camera for just a few beats too long on the Prince Charming of the Children's Pageant World and Mister Lynn, with a monsterously sinister smile on his face, exposed his inner nature with one look. It was like looking out of the mad eyes of Vincent Van Gogh at The Starry Night. It was one of those inexplicable, unpredicted moments when one sees straight to the core of another human being, and in that glance was all the cynical rapacity of a man in no way above using children to further his own sick needs. The man caught unaware in that camera glare was not a man I would leave to baby-sit with my children."<br><br>To tell the truth, I never followed the original case, it seemed too sensationalistic and trivial, in fact never knew that Jon Benet's beauty pageant career was in OLM until this thread. Just wanted to show <br>that OLM goes back a ways, and it was seriously creepy even in 1970.<br><br>I reccomend the original essay, it's unfortunately not on line, but it is anthologized in "The Other Glass Teat" and "The Essential Ellison".<br> <p></p><i></i>
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re: "hug her neck"

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:14 pm

Patsy at JonBenet's Georgia grave.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/patsygrave2.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Psychic drawing -- creepy

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:27 pm

Good catch, pp.<br><br>Here's another comparison. Sure seems to be something about the eyes....<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/karr-psychicportraitandphoto.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Psychic drawing -- creepy

Postby Col Quisp » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:37 pm

I think the drawing looks like John Ramsey in the eyes. I would not be surprised to learn that Patsy gave a photo of Karr to the psychic artist who is now, as someone else pointed out, dead. <p></p><i></i>
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Oprah website omission

Postby Avalon » Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:10 pm

Not that it has any known or immediate relevance to this, FWIW I was watching Oprah while tidying up the living room this afternoon (don't look at me like that, I'm not accustomed to watching Oprah). She was doing a segment on the FBI's top wanted fugitive pedophiles. Her website does not list Richard Steve Goldberg (who favors girls under 10) as being connected with both Colorado and Georgia, but the profile that was televised (and other info online) give both those states (as well as a couple of others).<br><br>I wonder if someone has done an information filter that looks more closely at pedophiles who have ties to _both_ Colorado and Georgia? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: "hug her neck"

Postby Asta » Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:44 pm

Well, after viewing the autopsy photos of JonBenet, that picture of Patsy creeps me out. What in hell?<br><br>There is something so wrong with the whole story that I think it is the reason we are all so caught up in it...the deceptions are like worms tickling our brains and we can't scratch at it, but we keep looking for the thread, the clue, the fact that makes the puzzle pieces fit, even though we don't know what the puzzle looks like. <br><br>It's freaky and sick, no matter how the story turns. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Ted the dog » Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:38 pm

"If we see you talking to a stray dog, she dies." That also sounds weird to me. Maybe there's some reference I'm missing, but why that line? <p></p><i></i>
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Son of Sam reference?

Postby Asta » Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:54 pm

I'm with you on that one. Truly weird. <br><br>Stray dogs in Boulder, I think not, it's such a tidy town.<br><br>I have to ask was there a stray dog/pets/adopted animals/humane society connection here?<br><br>Did the Ramseys have a dog? Serious question here, folks, in fact, now that I think about it, I believe there is some talk about a dog and the dog dying or being re-homed. Can someone help me out here?<br><br>If they did have a dog, did they adopt a stray from the dog pound? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Oprah website omission

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:27 pm

PW, I don't see a map at that link, just lists for various years. What am I doing wrong, please? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Oprah website omission

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:34 pm

And Ted, I think the stray dog reference might have meant, "Don't talk to ANYBODY, not even so much as a stray dog." Just my guess. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Oprah website omission

Postby sunny » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:43 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"If we see you talking to a stray dog, she dies."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>"Yankees" would never say such a thing, but a southern princess would.<br><br>Or queen. Does Karr strike anyone else here as gay?<br><br>A gay man molesting a young girl? Not likely.<br><br>MSM now openly speculating this could be a "false confession." Sounds like a distraction from the very real circumstantial evidence against the Ramseys. Why is no one wondering aloud: If the DNA doesn't match the Ramsey's but the circumstantial evidence does, maybe the parents were involved in the crime along with a third party?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Oprah website omission

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:13 pm

From the article about Karr's father posted by professorpan, I found three things that jumped out at me:<br><br>"...Wexford Karr had never heard that his son had been arrested on any previous criminal charges. But a Colorado state official said John Karr has an extensive criminal record for sexual assaults across the South, including Tennessee...."<br><br><br><br>"...The research continued when John Karr moved his family to Petaluma, Calif., and he told his father he had taken a job at a Catholic girls school in San Francisco.<br><br>While teaching at the school, John joined the Catholic Church, his father said...."<br><br><br><br>"...But learning his son was alive came with the news that his son, who is 41, was arrested in the Dec. 26, 1996, slaying of JonBenét Ramsey, he said.<br><br>John Karr had disappeared <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>after his release from jail in 2001</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. Karr, who relatives said had long spoken of a fascination with the Ramsey case, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>told his father at the time that he was being held for investigation of murdering the girl</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->...."<br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:26 pm

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Re: Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:33 pm

Watching Prime Time right now on this.<br><br>Ok, first impression of Karr from video media questioning: That man is posturing, eating up all the attention. Not to say that he didn't do it--he could have done the evil deed for the attention--but he is an attention seeker.<br><br>Second impressiom. Primetime said that the DNA from the original samples could have "degraded" since the original test. Wrong, I am sure. The results of those tests should be concrete, not "degradable". The samples should match or not. Period.<br><br>Third, the "psychic" sketch resembles John Ramsey more than it resembles Karr. Or a combination of both. Sorry, a zero, as far as I'[m concerned. I just don't buy psychic sketches. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 8/17/06 10:28 pm<br></i>
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