Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

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Re: Reference

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Re: Reference

Postby sunny » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:23 am

From <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/legalstuff.htm" target="top">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/03132000-alexhunter-phonelog-pg06-of-10.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:03 am

DE said:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>You dont' need 25 knives to defend yourself so the pressure may have gotten to him.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Well, maybe another possibility is smoking a whole bunch of pot, which can make a person paranoid, from what I've heard. Can also sensitize them to pain, make them whimper about amounts of pain that other people take for granted. Just a possibility. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby FourthBase » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:20 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060821/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey">news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060...net_ramsey</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>LOS ANGELES - John Mark Karr, the suspect in the killing of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, arrived late Sunday after a 15-hour flight from Thailand on which he sipped champagne, dined on fried king prawns and roast duck, and exchanged what he described as "small talk" with law enforcement escorts. <br> <br>Agents wearing U.S. Customs shirts met him as he left the jet before other passengers. They then disappeared from the view of reporters on the flight.<br><br>As Karr's day of wining and dining in the sky ended, he was expected to spend the night in a single cell in Los Angeles County's high-security Twin Towers jail.<br><br>Karr voluntarily returned to the U.S. and was not handcuffed in his business class seat.<br><br>Authorities in Boulder said Karr would first have an extradition hearing in Los Angeles before returning to Colorado and expected charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault in connection with the young beauty queen's 1996 killing.<br><br>A hearing was expected to take place in Los Angeles within a few days, and if Karr agrees to waive extradition, he will then be taken to Boulder County, said Carolyn French, spokeswoman for the Boulder County district attorney's office.<br><br>The Los Angeles County district attorney' office had not received word of an imminent hearing, spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons said.<br><br>"We've been presented with nothing," Gibbons said. "If that is going to happen, no one has notified our office."<br><br>Just before Karr boarded the flight, another bombshell emerged: Reports that he sought treatment at a Thai sex-change clinic.<br><br>Karr, dressed neatly in a red, short-sleeve, button-down shirt and black tie, was not handcuffed while being whisked through Don Muang International Airport in Bangkok. At a Thai Airways International departure gate, he talked amiably with fellow passengers.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The 41-year-old teacher sat in a window seat next to Mark Spray, an investigator with the Boulder County District Attorney's office. A U.S. Embassy official and an agent with " Homeland Security" on his T-shirt were also part of the escort party.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Before takeoff, Karr took a glass of champagne from a flight attendant and clinked glasses with Spray, who sipped orange juice</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Dinner on board, served on a starched white tablecloth with silverware, was one many passengers would envy. Karr started with a pate, then had a green salad with walnut dressing. The main course was fried king prawn with steamed rice and broccoli, followed by a slice of Valrhona chocolate cake for dessert. Karr drank a beer, crushing the can with his hands when it was empty, then moved on to a glass of French chardonnay with his main course.<br><br>He later dined on roast duck with soy sauce and yellow noodles, and for his third meal quickly ate a piece of pizza served with chocolates and a bottle of Evian.<br><br>"It seems odd to me. If there is an arrest warrant issued, he ought to be under arrest," said former Adams County District Attorney Bob Grant, who was involved in the Ramsey investigation. "It is very strange. Whoever is in control of him ought to make sure he isn't doing things like drinking champagne."<br><br>Other experts called the royal treatment a brilliant strategy intended to get the suspect relaxed enough to talk more.<br><br>"There is always a reason when the unusual happens," said Denver attorney Larry Pozner, past president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.<br><br>Though Karr appeared relaxed for most of the flight, chatting with Spray, his expression grew more serious when the plane was just over an hour from its scheduled landing. His eyes darted around to see who was watching him. <br><br>Asked by an AP reporter about his conversation with Spray, he said it was "small talk." Still, Spray took notes on some of Karr's remarks. <br><br>He stopped chatting when television news crews on the flight turned their cameras on. Then he stopped smiling, clutched the armrests of his seat and stared at his lap. <br><br>Karr did not speak to reporters, but at one point summoned the AP reporter over to his seat. He mentioned an interview she had given, recalling that someone asked her what he was like. <br><br>"You said I looked you straight in the eye when I talked to you and I want to tell you I appreciate that, I thought it was nice," Karr told the AP reporter. <br><br>Karr appeared to order the drinks himself, and instigated conversations with investigators. <br><br>Also during the flight, Karr flipped through the movie channels and watched "The Last Samurai" starring Tom Cruise. He also dozed on and off, and two guards accompanied him on several trips to the bathroom, each time leaving the door slightly ajar. <br><br>Karr had the Dan Brown book "Digital Fortress" but did not spend much time reading it. At one point he changed out of the red shirt and tie, replacing them with a blue polo, but then changed back into the shirt and tie before the landing. <br><br>Just hours before Karr's departure, a doctor at a seedy but popular clinic in downtown Bangkok specializing in sex-change surgery said Karr had come in for treatment. <br><br>"He was one of my patients," Dr. Thep Vechavisit of the Pratunam Polyclinic said. He refused to provide further details. <br><br>Another employee at the clinic, who spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to speak to the media, said Karr had talked with the doctor about a sex-change operation. This could not be confirmed by other sources. <br><br>Bangkok, where Karr lived on and off for two years, is regarded as a major global center for sex change operations. The Pratunam clinic advertises sex-change surgery for $1,625 — a bargain compared to U.S. prices, where male-to-female reassignment surgery can cost tens of thousands of dollars. <br><br>Thep has received considerable publicity for his male-to-female operations and the clinic is one of the sponsors of an annual beauty pageant for transsexuals in the seaside resort of Pattaya. <br><br>Karr appears to have been shadowed by gender issues since his early years, according to excerpts of e-mails published in the Rocky Mountain News that Karr wrote to University of Colorado journalism professor Michael Tracey. <br><br>Karr said his father was a "strong influence but rarely around," and responded to Tracey's question about whether his "fascination with little girls — which clearly has a strong erotic component — is a way of going back." <br><br>"Maybe I am not going back but have simply stayed consistent," Karr responded. "My peer group has not changed since I was a little boy, and girls were the people I was with always. Referring to them as a peer group is somewhat incorrect, but might also be the very definition of what they continue to be in my life." <br><br>Karr, once detained on charges of possessing child pornography, in recent years apparently traveled to Europe, Central America and Asia to search for teaching jobs. He taught in at least two Thai schools. <br><br>U.S. officials, the only ones to have actually interrogated Karr, have been silent about what he told them, citing his right to privacy and legal procedures. Secondhand accounts by Thai officials have been vague and contradictory. <br><br>Karr told reporters Thursday that he was alone with JonBenet when she died in the basement of her home on Dec. 26, 1996, but that her death was an accident. <br><br>However, there is little public evidence linking him to the crime, prompting some experts to speculate that he is either lying or delusional.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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typographic "rivers"

Postby Avalon » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:12 am

Here's something interesting that I just noticed while scrolling down the pages with the ransom note reproduced above. <br><br>I don't know if it's something that graphologists pay as much attention to, but scrolling up and down was showing a tendency for "rivers" in the word spacing. It's a typographic term referring to lines of white space snaking down through a box of text, something the typographer would want to get rid of by tweaking the text, before printing the page. Scroll up and down fast through the ransom note, you'll see the rivers start to catch your eye.<br><br>FWIW, it also caught my eye that it's mostly the Colorado papers that print JonBenet's name with an accent over the second "e." <p></p><i></i>
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Re: typographic "rivers"

Postby FourthBase » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:24 am

"We are a group of individuals"...a little redundant, no? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

Postby xsic bastardx » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:43 am

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14448616/" target="top">www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14448616/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br>Karr's Handwriting matches letters left on note? <br><br><br><br>anyone else see this link yet anywhere? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=xsicbastardx>xsic bastardx</A> at: 8/21/06 7:43 am<br></i>
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Re: Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

Postby sunny » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:51 am

It does not match the handwriting, but coincidental initials:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.statementanalysis.com/ramseynote/update/">www.statementanalysis.com...te/update/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>It has been reported that John Karr may be able to shed some light on what S.B.T.C. means. The ransom note was signed "Victory! S.B.T.C." In a classmate's 1982 highschool yearbook, John Karr wrote "Though, deep in the future, MAYBE I SHALL BE THE CONQUERER AND LIVE IN MULTIPLE PEACE." It is possible S.B.T.C. stands for "Shall Be The Conqueror." This means the writer of the ransom note ended the note with "Victory! Shall Be The Conqueror." Victory and conqueror go together but it still does not make much sense. The letters "I.S.B.T.C. - I Shall Be The Conqueror" makes more sense. Based on everything I have seen so far I would say this is a coincidence.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

Postby xsic bastardx » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:57 am

<br><br> I would be willing to bet that folks start jumping thru hula hoops trying to convict this guy.<br><br><br> This almost stinks as bad as WTC 7. <p></p><i></i>
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Patsy Ramsey handwriting sample

Postby sunny » Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:20 am

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counselor

Postby Gouda » Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:40 am

To touch on the HST reference a few pages back, interesting to note that Ramsey first retained the services of Haddon, Morgan & Foreman. From the Konformist link: <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>How big is Haddon, Morgan & Foreman, the law firm representing the Ramseys? As Denver Post columnist Chuck Green put it, "Take a look at their offices here in Denver. Then take a walk over to the Governor's Mansion a few blocks away and tell me which is bigger, and I'll tell you which one is more powerful." Among the firm's clients are Gary Hart, Governor Roy Romer, former Governor Richard Lamm, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>and, curiously, Hunter S. Thompson</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.konformist.com/jonbenet.htm">www.konformist.com/jonbenet.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><br>Counselor</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->...?<br><br>Also, an overview of the Ramsey's stellar legal and public-spin team, from "Tipping the $cales of Justice: The Ramsey team at a glance" ... <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/6502/primer/primer2_tip.html">www.geocities.com/Capitol...2_tip.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Mmmm, vewy vewy expensive. <br><br>This is also fun: "Six Degrees of Separation", the web of linkages between the Ramseys and people like Bill Clinton and Ollie North - though it must be noted that these non-scientific linkages are mostly due to the legal team assembly and not something prior:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/6502/6d/6d_final_web.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Good website, lots of info at their mainpage:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/6502/primer/primer_cover.html">www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/6502/primer/primer_cover.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 8/21/06 8:45 am<br></i>
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Re: counselor

Postby sunny » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:13 pm

Oh my. MSNBC reporting (not sure of the source) that Karr claims to have attended a Christmas party with the Ramsey's in '96. <p></p><i></i>
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in what context......

Postby xsic bastardx » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:50 pm

<br><br> did they put it....like he just so happen to be there or like he went with them, or case in point at thier house? <p></p><i></i>
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Karr's reading material

Postby trachys » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:27 pm

reminds me that I'd planned to read Digital Fortress ... will anyone recommend it? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: in what context......

Postby sunny » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:28 pm

xsbx, MSNBC just referenced the Rocky Mountain News on the story. Going to find it now. One other thing. He told someone that his brother worked with or for John Ramsey. <p></p><i></i>
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