Fran Drescher believes she was abducted by aliens

[thurnundtaxis]

Laura Dern was in Blue Velvet, Wild At Heart, and Inland Empire, but not Mulholland Drive to my recollection.

[Nordic]

FWIW she has a reputation in the business for being a truly wretched person.

eye don't know, i spoke with her in the 80's and she seemed pretty open minded...

196x: Alien abduction or something, in presence of Navy father
1979: Moved to LA
1982: "pretty open minded"
1985: brutal rape in her own home by armed assailants while husband forced to watch
Since: reputation for being a truly wretched person.

Idunno, it kind of flows that she might not have handled that very well, deep down inside.

Oh, I realize that. Like I said FWIW. It may be worth very little.

I have met a few people who claim to have had alien encounters who were certifiable. That's all.

But if you know me, you know that I'm open minded about pretty much anything and everything. Or else I wouldn't even be here.

I wish the HuffPo article went into more detail about her experience. Anyone find more about it?

I myself had a very strange experience while driving through the middle of nowhere with my family in the middle of the night. Something happened and I don't know what, except I remember both my parents, completely freaked out, saying "it was just owls, it was just owls". And my mom was obsessed with owls after that. Collected little figures of owls, had a huge collection of them. And my Dad was an M.I.C. guy.

So I'm intrigued.

[beeline]

I myself had a very strange experience while driving through the middle of nowhere with my family in the middle of the night. Something happened and I don't know what, except I remember both my parents, completely freaked out, saying "it was just owls, it was just owls". And my mom was obsessed with owls after that. Collected little figures of owls, had a huge collection of them. And my Dad was an M.I.C. guy.

So I'm intrigued.

[Simulist]

I have met a few people who claim to have had alien encounters who were certifiable. That's all.

But if you know me, you know that I'm open minded about pretty much anything and everything. Or else I wouldn't even be here.

I wish the HuffPo article went into more detail about her experience. Anyone find more about it?

I myself had a very strange experience while driving through the middle of nowhere with my family in the middle of the night. Something happened and I don't know what, except I remember both my parents, completely freaked out, saying "it was just owls, it was just owls". And my mom was obsessed with owls after that. Collected little figures of owls, had a huge collection of them. And my Dad was an M.I.C. guy.

So I'm intrigued.

I'm intrigued too, Nordic. In fact, I'm intrigued by many people who claim similar extraordinary experiences.

Because of a series of my own similar experiences, which still seem to me to defy easy explanation, I once thought that I might have been "abducted by aliens"; of course I no longer think that.

It isn't that I think such a thing would be impossible, necessarily, just that my experiences -- when unpacked quite a bit more thoroughly than they were when I once thought that -- suggest to me a reality that is even weirder than "alien abduction," seems notably non-linear in scope, and defies all the categories I (and my culture, so far) have tried to squeeze them down into.

[82_28]

Laura Dern was in Blue Velvet, Wild At Heart, and Inland Empire, but not Mulholland Drive to my recollection.

Yeah, I realize she wasn't in Drive, but she is David Lynch's defacto go-to female lead. Drive however closely parallels the psychological madness of a young person placed in this milieu.

I also note the Navy propaganda film "Top Gun" in the further "research" as far as $cientology. Perhaps there really is something to the "6 degrees of Kevin Bacon"/US NAVY/ALIENS/contact/madness/hallucination and how quickly it can be followed once given rigor, intuition and frankly a playful attitude about following it like the ends of a tangle of power cords -- even though everything is all powered up -- just cluttered.

[82_28]

I have met a few people who claim to have had alien encounters who were certifiable. That's all.

But if you know me, you know that I'm open minded about pretty much anything and everything. Or else I wouldn't even be here.

I wish the HuffPo article went into more detail about her experience. Anyone find more about it?

I myself had a very strange experience while driving through the middle of nowhere with my family in the middle of the night. Something happened and I don't know what, except I remember both my parents, completely freaked out, saying "it was just owls, it was just owls". And my mom was obsessed with owls after that. Collected little figures of owls, had a huge collection of them. And my Dad was an M.I.C. guy.

So I'm intrigued.

I'm intrigued too, Nordic. In fact, I'm intrigued by many people who claim similar extraordinary experiences.

Because of a series of my own similar experiences, which still seem to me to defy easy explanation, I once thought that I might have been "abducted by aliens"; of course I no longer think that.

It isn't that I think such a thing would be impossible, necessarily, just that my experiences -- when unpacked quite a bit more thoroughly than they were when I once thought that -- suggest to me a reality that is even weirder than "alien abduction," seems notably non-linear in scope, and defies all the categories I (and my culture, so far) have tried to squeeze them down into.

I've told this tale before, but when I was an infant (or toddler, I guess) I had a recurring dream where the image has never left me -- like so many other dreams long forgotten. I was placed on a table and was given treatments to turn me into a female. As a toddler you have no knowledge of what nipples are for -- you don't have any knowledge of gender yet either. But the focus was always on my nipples and genitalia and some kind of paste they applied to my body as I lay on a table bathed in an off-orange light with others around me and basically in a laboratory.

I could have sensed this because I did spend months in a hospital as a kid due to a very high fever that would never break. However, these dreams tap into a time I should not have been able to know this, yet recognized it as a kid as, "wow, I'd like to be a girl". Probably just dreams and imagination and the passage of time.

I'm going into Jacob's Ladder territory here. But I've always wondered. . .

[Simulist]

That's interesting, 82_28. Some of my experiences involve a similar laboratory table-top component and, also similarly, the genitalia were sometimes the focus. I too was a small child, so this has always unnerved me a bit.

I spent (probably too) much time looking into the probable sources and the possible meaning of this and other components of these overall experiences, and considered everything from "alien abduction" to MKULTRA (which, while certainly a clear possibility, still doesn't seem capable of providing "the" explanation for the range of subtleties I still clearly remember from these series of events) at one time.

Since you're so well-read, 82, I'm sure you've come across echoes of the experience you've just mentioned in literature describing shamanic and visionary encounters -- most notably, the "medical" (for wont of a better term) element.

Whatever it really was that originally prompted and then unleashed these strangenesses in my then young life, I have to say that the visionary/shamanic explanation actually seems to come closest for me to the core of the oddest and most perplexing aspects that I remember.

[Project Willow]

From age 4 onward I had recurring dreams that were near replays of lab experiences, although some of them contained purely symbolic flourishes. Repeating figures represented abusers/experimenters whom my subconscious distilled into a caricature symbolizing an aspect or essence of their character that I experienced as the most terrifying. Since recognition of this reality was forbidden in normative life, my dreaming was one way I told myself a version of the truth.

This is not in response to any one individual experience, and I've nothing to base it on except observation, but it's my personal belief that the majority of the folks who are attracted to this forum are partially unaware or unhealed abuse and/or experimentation survivors. The programs were so widespread and involved hundreds of thousands of subjects. That many people don't just disappear or end up in asylums.

[BrandonD]

This is not in response to any one individual experience, and I've nothing to base it on except observation, but it's my personal belief that the majority of the folks who are attracted to this forum are partially unaware or unhealed abuse and/or experimentation survivors. The programs were so widespread and involved hundreds of thousands of subjects. That many people don't just disappear or end up in asylums.

To butt into the convo: I am open to that idea, though I have no conscious memory of such things. I was talking with a friend that I consider a very smart person, and I told him that if I look at myself from an outsider's perspective, my mannerisms and thoughts and behavior are like a person who was a victim of trauma or abuse - timidity, fear of people, depression and frequent indulging in suicidal thoughts. But I have no recollection of abuse and I strongly doubt my parents would have done that sort of thing. So I have nothing to go on, no thread to unravel.

I was once interviewed by a radio program called Paratopia, regarding a journey I took to Peru to participate in several ayahuasca ceremonies. At the time I had never consumed a psychedelic substance in my life, and the hosts of the program were interested to hear my experiences. They were considering the idea that the "hyper-reality" experienced in abduction scenarios and the hyper-reality experienced in shamanic rituals and psychedelic ceremonies may be related.

The hosts were both experiencers or abductees or whatever you'd like to call them, and one of the hosts was motivated to ingest a psychedelic mushroom in order to test this idea for himself. He concluded that there most definitely was a relationship between the two. Perhaps this is some sort of clue into the nature of this whole experience.

Anyway, to tie it back to your comment - I do think it's possible that people are drawn to this subject because something has occurred to them. It is in our self-interest to acquiesce to the social current (in which the intellectual fashion is to disregard all things "para"), so there must be a strong motivating factor to cause someone to run against it.

[crikkett]

FWIW she has a reputation in the business for being a truly wretched person.

eye don't know, i spoke with her in the 80's and she seemed pretty open minded...

196x: Alien abduction or something, in presence of Navy father
1979: Moved to LA
1982: "pretty open minded"
1985: brutal rape in her own home by armed assailants while husband forced to watch
Since: reputation for being a truly wretched person.

Idunno, it kind of flows that she might not have handled that very well, deep down inside.

2000 - uterine cancer
2007 - started up "cancer schmancer" advocacy group

[sunny]

Right before the board went down I noticed this thread had gone to three pages. I hope those who posted will repost.

Oddly, I also remember being on a table and being 'examined' around age 5. But I actually remember who the perp was: My cousin, who must have been about 12. As far as I can tell it's had no adverse effect on me, and as an adult I've chalked it up to normal adolescent curiosity. Was there more to it? Something I can't recall? I don't know.

[Nordic]

Obviously, the aliens deleted my posts.

And crashed the site.

[justdrew]

Obviously, the aliens deleted my posts.

And crashed the site.

it was because I asked you this question:

Do you remember if your parents ever gave you Dramamine on road trips?

[Nordic]

Obviously, the aliens deleted my posts.

And crashed the site.

it was because I asked you this question:

Do you remember if your parents ever gave you Dramamine on road trips?

LOL!

Yeah that was it.

This might be a good place to state that the worst, most terrifying, and most realistic nightmare I ever had in my life involved aliens. And what they would do to me if i found out too much of the truth.

I don't even like to talk about it. I've thought about mentioning it here, but never have. Even now that's about all I want to say about it.

Basically they warned me not to find out too much. That I would be punished if I did, in truly horrible way (something you'd never guess). They were not the slightest bit nice, or human, but purely terrifying.

Yet here I sit, trying to find out the truth about damn near everything. I just don't listen.

(cue the site crashing. Oh wait, it's Sunday. It only happens on Saturdays).

[sunny]

I've written before about a terrifying dream I had of an alien attack. I no longer remember all of the details, but I remember following my frantically barking dog outside in the middle of the night, stepping beyond the fence to see what I could see and getting hit by a laser beam from a stationary craft in the sky which knocked me to the ground, paralyzed. Around the same time [and both dreams happened in my childhood home] I had a horrible dream about an invasion, seeing all these craft in the sky shooting at each other and both sides shooting at targets on the ground. A huge fighter jet then crashed just beyond and to the south of the house and we were all desperately trying to douse fires on the roof. I don't know, it just seemed..prophetic somehow. I was completely convinced during both dreams that I was awake and all of it was really happening.