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Searcher08 wrote:Taking one of them, the 'monopoly capital and corporate crime in general' - which of his policies around that concern you?
Searcher08 wrote:Thank you - that was exactly the detail I was after.
well of course you would. spoken like a true apparatchnik. i feel you owe us a critique of the racial bonafides of the existing power structure. at least mittens, gingrinch, and sotero. yeah we get your forte of the stereotypical kkk guy. is there any other kind of racism behind the enormous contemporary non-white body counts that we need to be concerned about? are we waiting for a directive on that or am i just blowing things out of proportion?I would prefer to keep the focus here in this thread more on the charges
we also heard some folks went on a joyride with Kelso's
credit card and made some lulzy purchases, including sex toy purchases and
making donations to the Anti Defamation League and many others. Oops.
We call upon not only other antifascists but all those opposed to white
supremacy to utilize this information and make hell for these white nationalist
scumbags.
and made donations to anti-fascist organisations, such as the Anti-Defamation League.
American Dream wrote:Searcher08 wrote:Thank you - that was exactly the detail I was after.
I would prefer to keep the focus here in this thread more on the charges regarding the hack and the links between white supremacists and the Ron Paul campaign.
What did you think of the revelations regarding Nick Griffin and the BNP?
Searcher08 wrote:American Dream wrote:Searcher08 wrote:Thank you - that was exactly the detail I was after.
I would prefer to keep the focus here in this thread more on the charges regarding the hack and the links between white supremacists and the Ron Paul campaign.
What did you think of the revelations regarding Nick Griffin and the BNP?
I appreciate that; my interest in this thread however is more on the Anonymous hack - I raised some points about that earlier.
Regarding Nick Griffin and the BNP having associations with those American groups, I'm not surprised at all. The Ulster Unionists (at MP level) had links with the KKK way back in the 1970s.
I think there are some very tricky issues around all of this - because as I said there were hard ball communists working under the New Labour wing as organisers, but these people knew they would 'no longer be required' after the election - yet still chose to be involved for their own reasons. That may not be happening here, but it is worth considering.
The BNP has being doing terribly here in the UK, it has nearly imploded due to vicious infighting, legal cases, plummeting membership, bad publicity, Nick Griffins 'management style' and court cases.
Harvey wrote:Just a question from a wholly disinterested party, has Anonymous ever delivered, well, anything at all?
Apart from its ability to do technically difficult hacks, and losing the occasional well signposted foot soldier along the way? (Remember the inexplicable 'topiary' reference in the News of The World hack which led directly to low level arrests?)
Let me also ask, if you wanted a sexy, high-value, counter-cultural, decoy, disinformation agent, what would it look like? Yes, and it probably would do ten impossible hacks before breakfast as well.
Harvey wrote:Just a question from a wholly disinterested party, has Anonymous ever delivered, well, anything at all?
crikkett wrote:Harvey wrote:Just a question from a wholly disinterested party, has Anonymous ever delivered, well, anything at all?
Anonymous gave us the story of HBGeary and the Bank of America plan to harass reporters. That's huge.Apart from its ability to do technically difficult hacks, and losing the occasional well signposted foot soldier along the way? (Remember the inexplicable 'topiary' reference in the News of The World hack which led directly to low level arrests?)
There's a pastebin (I can't find now) where Anonymous members wrote about their exploits. The most memorable to me was a young (man?) who wrote about helping people who were on the run in the middle east. Heartwrenching stuff.Let me also ask, if you wanted a sexy, high-value, counter-cultural, decoy, disinformation agent, what would it look like? Yes, and it probably would do ten impossible hacks before breakfast as well.
Not sure.
psynapz wrote:There is no THE Conspiracy. After a decade of studying modern conspiratology in all its forms, the thing that's become the most crystal clear to me following RI over more recent years is that there simply is not a single one monolithic, centralized conspiracy. There are several. Some collaborate, some engage parasitically with each other, and others battle for control, for hearts and minds, and for resources, in a wide variety of theaters. Sure, they have commonalities such as complex multi-layered security constructs to protect their criminal enterprises from scrutiny, subjugation of the majority through callous deceit, and a general powerlust, but clear distinctions are often drawn here among their histories, scope, motive and modus operandi.
slimmouse wrote:psynapz wrote:There is no THE Conspiracy. After a decade of studying modern conspiratology in all its forms, the thing that's become the most crystal clear to me following RI over more recent years is that there simply is not a single one monolithic, centralized conspiracy. There are several. Some collaborate, some engage parasitically with each other, and others battle for control, for hearts and minds, and for resources, in a wide variety of theaters. Sure, they have commonalities such as complex multi-layered security constructs to protect their criminal enterprises from scrutiny, subjugation of the majority through callous deceit, and a general powerlust, but clear distinctions are often drawn here among their histories, scope, motive and modus operandi.
This may indeed be right on the money, but even if it were, how is that any different to saying that the 99.99999% are not still controlled by essentially the 0.000001 % ?
Where does the pyramid ever break down, even in this situation ? Perhaps theres no capstone - yet. Theres a thought.
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