Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

[American Dream]

It seems to me that for Justice to prevail in historic Palestine, there needs to be a broad global movement in opposition to the policies of the Israeli State- especially in the United States, which is so very important in the equation.

It further seems to me that the Nazis and others of that ilk are poison to that movement.

Do you disagree with this, Searcher?

And there it is folks

Peace is ever unatainable , courtesy of the AD model, where there are simply too many poisoners of the well to make even the most important changes possible.

Fuck you AD

So you think it makes good strategic sense to welcome open Nazis and the like into Palestine Solidarity work?

Where did you learn that this makes sense?

It seems to me that for Justice to prevail in historic Palestine, there needs to be a broad global movement in opposition to the policies of the Israeli State- especially in the United States, which is so very important in the equation.

It further seems to me that the Nazis and others of that ilk are poison to that movement.

Do you disagree with this, Searcher?

And there it is folks

Peace is ever unatainable , courtesy of the AD model, where there are simply too many poisoners of the well to make even the most important changes possible.

Fuck you AD

So you think it makes good strategic sense to welcome open Nazis and the like into Palestine Solidarity work?

Where did you learn that this makes sense?

Fuk you AD. Ive seen you from a thousand miles away you LOSER.

Exactly what problem do you have with people taking the first steps to liberty by abolishing FRL .

Answer; "well thats what the nazis want"

How about a free palestinian state ?

Answer; "well those aligned with the said liberty are nazis "


Fuk you.

What the hell are you talking about, slim?

I'm speaking of supporting human rights for Palestinians and confronting violations of international law by the Israeli State.

Why the devil are you referring to fractional reserve lending?

[Searcher08]

It seems to me that for Justice to prevail in historic Palestine, there needs to be a broad global movement in opposition to the policies of the Israeli State- especially in the United States, which is so very important in the equation.

It further seems to me that the Nazis and others of that ilk are poison to that movement.

Do you disagree with this, Searcher?

And there it is folks

Peace is ever unatainable , courtesy of the AD model, where there are simply too many poisoners of the well to make even the most important changes possible.

Fuck you AD

So you think it makes good strategic sense to welcome open Nazis and the like into Palestine Solidarity work?

Where did you learn that this makes sense?

It seems to me that for Justice to prevail in historic Palestine, there needs to be a broad global movement in opposition to the policies of the Israeli State- especially in the United States, which is so very important in the equation.

It further seems to me that the Nazis and others of that ilk are poison to that movement.

Do you disagree with this, Searcher?

And there it is folks

Peace is ever unatainable , courtesy of the AD model, where there are simply too many poisoners of the well to make even the most important changes possible.

Fuck you AD

So you think it makes good strategic sense to welcome open Nazis and the like into Palestine Solidarity work?

Where did you learn that this makes sense?

Fuk you AD. Ive seen you from a thousand miles away you LOSER.

Exactly what problem do you have with people taking the first steps to liberty by abolishing FRL .

Answer; "well thats what the nazis want"

How about a free palestinian state ?

Answer; "well those aligned with the said liberty are nazis "


Fuk you.

What the hell are you talking about, slim?

I'm speaking of supporting human rights for Palestinians and confronting violations of international law by the Israeli State.

Why the devil are you referring to fractional reserve lending?

Hmm I'm gonna try some NVC

slim, when I read your angry response, I felt you were frustrated by what you see as AD imposing his way of seeing the situation as the only way forward. Is that accurate?

A_D, when I read your response I felt you were baffled by slim linking to Central Banking concepts in a discussion about Palestinians and Israel, which is an area that you care deeply about and want to see justice - is that accurate?

[slimmouse]

Well , Im just wondering why , in your opinon, every single avenue of opposition to FRL and opposition to the racist apartheid actions of the state of Israel seems to lead to neonazis ?

No genuine greivances there for a liberal like you huh ?

Youre full of it.

[American Dream]

Well , Im just wondering why , in your opinon, every single avenue of opposition to FRL and opposition to the racist apartheid actions of the state of Israel seems to lead to neonazis ?

No genuine greivances there for a liberal like you huh ?

Youre full of it.

I wasn't speaking of fractional reserve lending at all!

And I was only saying that the Palestine Solidarity Movement would be better off without Nazis- who clearly do want in to the movement. Isn't this just basic common sense?

So what the hell are you talking about?

[slimmouse]

Well , Im just wondering why , in your opinon, every single avenue of opposition to FRL and opposition to the racist apartheid actions of the state of Israel seems to lead to neonazis ?

No genuine greivances there for a liberal like you huh ?

Youre full of it.

I wasn't speaking of fractional reserve lending at all!

And I was only saying that the Palestine Solidarity Movement would be better off without Nazis- who clearly do want in to the movement. Isn't this just basic common sense?

So what the hell are you talking about?

Seriously AD, take your valiant opposition to neo nazism elsewhere. Where on this forum are this said 4/5th column ? The only place I see them is in our govnts as another several thousand brown skins get murdered in the name of freedom.


How about posting another long 20 page rambling bs essay about that ?

IMHO, youre full of it.

[American Dream]

Well , Im just wondering why , in your opinon, every single avenue of opposition to FRL and opposition to the racist apartheid actions of the state of Israel seems to lead to neonazis ?

No genuine greivances there for a liberal like you huh ?

Youre full of it.

I wasn't speaking of fractional reserve lending at all!

And I was only saying that the Palestine Solidarity Movement would be better off without Nazis- who clearly do want in to the movement. Isn't this just basic common sense?

So what the hell are you talking about?

Seriously AD, take your valiant opposition to neo nazism elsewhere. Where on this forum are this said 4/5th column ? The only place I see them is in our govnts.

How about posting another long 20 page rambling bs essay about that ?

IMHO, youre full of it.

Do you think that the global phenomenon of fractional reserve lending has something in particular to do with the State of Israel?

Because otherwise, your logic is getting pretty threadbare, slim...

[slimmouse]

Well , Im just wondering why , in your opinon, every single avenue of opposition to FRL and opposition to the racist apartheid actions of the state of Israel seems to lead to neonazis ?

No genuine greivances there for a liberal like you huh ?

Youre full of it.

I wasn't speaking of fractional reserve lending at all!

And I was only saying that the Palestine Solidarity Movement would be better off without Nazis- who clearly do want in to the movement. Isn't this just basic common sense?

So what the hell are you talking about?

Seriously AD, take your valiant opposition to neo nazism elsewhere. Where on this forum are this said 4/5th column ? The only place I see them is in our govnts.

How about posting another long 20 page rambling bs essay about that ?

IMHO, youre full of it.

Do you think that the global phenomenon of fractional reserve lending has something in particular to do with the State of Israel?

Because otherwise, your logic is getting pretty threadbare, slim...

youre clearly not paying attention . Perhaps youve been too busy critisizing Icke to see the connection. I dont blame you for that at all. After all, youre supposed to think Icke is insane.

[American Dream]

Well , Im just wondering why , in your opinon, every single avenue of opposition to FRL and opposition to the racist apartheid actions of the state of Israel seems to lead to neonazis ?

No genuine greivances there for a liberal like you huh ?

Youre full of it.

I wasn't speaking of fractional reserve lending at all!

And I was only saying that the Palestine Solidarity Movement would be better off without Nazis- who clearly do want in to the movement. Isn't this just basic common sense?

So what the hell are you talking about?

Seriously AD, take your valiant opposition to neo nazism elsewhere. Where on this forum are this said 4/5th column ? The only place I see them is in our govnts.

How about posting another long 20 page rambling bs essay about that ?

IMHO, youre full of it.

Do you think that the global phenomenon of fractional reserve lending has something in particular to do with the State of Israel?

Because otherwise, your logic is getting pretty threadbare, slim...

youre clearly not paying attention . Perhaps youve been too busy critisizing Icke to see the connection. I dont blame you for that at all. After all, youre supposed to think Icke is insane.

So you're claiming that the State of Israel is uniquely connected to the global institution of fractional reserve banking?

If so, what is your evidence for this?

[slimmouse]

Well , Im just wondering why , in your opinon, every single avenue of opposition to FRL and opposition to the racist apartheid actions of the state of Israel seems to lead to neonazis ?

No genuine greivances there for a liberal like you huh ?

Youre full of it.

I wasn't speaking of fractional reserve lending at all!

And I was only saying that the Palestine Solidarity Movement would be better off without Nazis- who clearly do want in to the movement. Isn't this just basic common sense?

So what the hell are you talking about?

Seriously AD, take your valiant opposition to neo nazism elsewhere. Where on this forum are this said 4/5th column ? The only place I see them is in our govnts.

How about posting another long 20 page rambling bs essay about that ?

IMHO, youre full of it.

Do you think that the global phenomenon of fractional reserve lending has something in particular to do with the State of Israel?

Because otherwise, your logic is getting pretty threadbare, slim...

youre clearly not paying attention . Perhaps youve been too busy critisizing Icke to see the connection. I dont blame you for that at all. After all, youre supposed to think Icke is insane.

So you're claiming that the State of Israel is uniquely connected to the global institution of fractional reserve banking?

If so, what is your evidence for this?

Yep. But thats another story, and maybe another thread.

But seriously Ad, what should people call the warmongering racist expansionist state, and its people in order not to get called racist ?

You know, in order to preseve "sensitivity" ?

According to what Ive read from you, we shouldnt even go there yet, at least until weve purged the antisemites and the homphobes and any number of other haters from the equation.

And all the while, whilst the likes of you seek utopia, the slaughter continues.

Good for you huh ?

[American Dream]

Well , Im just wondering why , in your opinon, every single avenue of opposition to FRL and opposition to the racist apartheid actions of the state of Israel seems to lead to neonazis ?

No genuine greivances there for a liberal like you huh ?

Youre full of it.

I wasn't speaking of fractional reserve lending at all!

And I was only saying that the Palestine Solidarity Movement would be better off without Nazis- who clearly do want in to the movement. Isn't this just basic common sense?

So what the hell are you talking about?

Seriously AD, take your valiant opposition to neo nazism elsewhere. Where on this forum are this said 4/5th column ? The only place I see them is in our govnts.

How about posting another long 20 page rambling bs essay about that ?

IMHO, youre full of it.

Do you think that the global phenomenon of fractional reserve lending has something in particular to do with the State of Israel?

Because otherwise, your logic is getting pretty threadbare, slim...

youre clearly not paying attention . Perhaps youve been too busy critisizing Icke to see the connection. I dont blame you for that at all. After all, youre supposed to think Icke is insane.

So you're claiming that the State of Israel is uniquely connected to the global institution of fractional reserve banking?

If so, what is your evidence for this?

Yep. But thats another story, and maybe another thread.

But seriously Ad, what should people call the warmongering racist expansionist state, and its people in order not to get called racist ?

slim, I was suggesting that it would help Palestine solidarity work to distance itself from bonafide anti-Semites. Nazis were the most egregious example I could think of- why do you have a problem with this?

And do you actually have any good evidence to justify your apparent claim that the State of Israel has a uniquely important role in sponsoring the institution of fractional reserve banking, on a global level?

[Searcher08]

Well , Im just wondering why , in your opinon, every single avenue of opposition to FRL and opposition to the racist apartheid actions of the state of Israel seems to lead to neonazis ?

No genuine greivances there for a liberal like you huh ?

Youre full of it.

I wasn't speaking of fractional reserve lending at all!

And I was only saying that the Palestine Solidarity Movement would be better off without Nazis- who clearly do want in to the movement. Isn't this just basic common sense?

So what the hell are you talking about?

AD, just two pages ago, you posted this in BOLD

"Criticism of the Fed seems fair enough. However, the call to abolish the Federal Reserve and central banking entirely has come solely from the far-right of the American political spectrum. As we know, with right-wing extremism comes violence and racism. Unfortunately, the general public is not familiar with convoluted economic issues, and less informed Occupy protestors have been duped into supporting this pro-elite red herring. To fight this, word needs to be spread about the dark history of the “END THE FED” movement, one sprinkled with anti-Semitism, neo-Nazis, anti-government militia extremists, and even domestic terrorists. We need more awareness of the violent and racist elements that “END THE FED” brings to OWS."

There is so much disinfo BS in that weasel-worded paragraph and is just another attempt to split libertarians and progressives from speaking to each other. If you hate 'poison' AD, the place to start is with stuff like the above.

[slimmouse]

Aww.. cmon AD, wherever you are actually coming from, you know full well what im talking about.

So, what should we call these useful idiots ?

[American Dream]

Well , Im just wondering why , in your opinon, every single avenue of opposition to FRL and opposition to the racist apartheid actions of the state of Israel seems to lead to neonazis ?

No genuine greivances there for a liberal like you huh ?

Youre full of it.

I wasn't speaking of fractional reserve lending at all!

And I was only saying that the Palestine Solidarity Movement would be better off without Nazis- who clearly do want in to the movement. Isn't this just basic common sense?

So what the hell are you talking about?

AD, just two pages ago, you posted this in BOLD

"Criticism of the Fed seems fair enough. However, the call to abolish the Federal Reserve and central banking entirely has come solely from the far-right of the American political spectrum. As we know, with right-wing extremism comes violence and racism. Unfortunately, the general public is not familiar with convoluted economic issues, and less informed Occupy protestors have been duped into supporting this pro-elite red herring. To fight this, word needs to be spread about the dark history of the “END THE FED” movement, one sprinkled with anti-Semitism, neo-Nazis, anti-government militia extremists, and even domestic terrorists. We need more awareness of the violent and racist elements that “END THE FED” brings to OWS."

There is so much disinfo BS in that weasel-worded paragraph and is just another attempt to split libertarians and progressives from speaking to each other. If you hate 'poison' AD, the place to start is with stuff like the above.

I'll be glad to respond to what you just wrote, Searcher, but first I'd like to know why you have gone through so many posts avoiding a clear statement regarding the common sense assertion that keeping nazis, racist skinheads and others of that ilk far, far away from Palestinian solidarity work makes good, good sense.

Why don't you want to respond directly to this? Don't you think it's good to bring one's real beliefs into the light of day, where they can be carefully considered?

[Searcher08]

I took a long time to think through a considered and relevant response to your question, which I gave and you then ignored before getting in a bunfight with slim.

When you use lowball rhetorical devices like 'dont you think its good to bring your real beliefs into the light of day' - frankly it kinda creeps me out.
like:
Child porn... I know you have said you despise it... but tell me what you really think.


I have tried my best to keep this constructive and positive, but maybe it just comes down to when you ask "Green.. or Red?" and I say I think is more complicated and talk about prisms and how it might be Blue or even Ultra-Violet.. and then you respond with "What dont you just answer the question, Green or Red?". I'm kinda left unsure how to proceed.

The weird thing around this is that I bet that if we ever met face to face, we would get along fine and probably understand each other much more ...

[American Dream]

Aww.. cmon AD, wherever you are actually coming from, you know full well what im talking about.

So, what should we call these useful idiots ?

Actually slim, I don't visit David Icke's site or other places like that. The largest exposure I get to these sorts of ideas is right here, at Rigorous Intuition.

So, let me hazard a guess, even though there are some areas that seem kinda uncertain to me:

So there is a global conspiracy that involves Jews- but not all Jews, just initiated zionist ones. This conspiracy is ancient, mystical and pretty much monolithic at that. This conspiracy controls human society in good measure through its control of the banking system. Overlapping the Jews are British Royals and others- many of whom are malevolent, shapeshifting transdimensionals with a taste for human blood and suffering. If you like, they are our interplanetary, multidimensional jail wardens, since they ave near total control of our earthly conditions and foster our illusions of materialiity.

That part, I may understand "correctly", according to your world view.

Here's the parts that are more baffling: If the ongoing oppression of the Palestinian People is tied to these Elders of Zion types, and thus of cosmic importance, and if the much maligned Nazis were somehow pawns of the overarching Zionist Conspiracy- but still not commendable people- then why not exclude them from the Palestine solidarity movement? After all, their presence is clearly going to hurt, not help...


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