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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby Simulist » Mon May 14, 2012 1:40 pm

Searcher08 wrote:
Simulist wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:
Simulist wrote:Okay. Here's the thing for me: for their own reasons neither C2w nor Alice is here right now to respond. Not only do I find this regrettable, I think criticizing either one of these people who is unavailable to respond is counterproductive, not only for my hopes to see them again, but also for our community in general.


you're here so let's clear the air

Let's.
were you or were you not pointing a thinly veiled finger at me being anti-semitic?

Seems, I don't know if you're antisemitic — I still tend to doubt it — but prior to the 80 page thread concerning Mr. Aztmon (who I think is clearly antisemitic), I felt certain that you were not.

When you danced around a very direct question I asked you — quite persistently, I should add — about the uniqueness of the Holocaust, this puzzled me further because it was a simple question, the answer to which is blatantly obvious.

It wasn't my "finger" that was "thinly veiled," rather your answer.


WHAT!!!!???
Surely EVERY genocide in human history is unique?

From dictionary.com
1. existing as the only one or as the sole example; single; solitary in type or characteristics: a unique copy of an ancient manuscript.
2. having no like or equal; unparalleled; incomparable: Bach was unique in his handling of counterpoint.
3. limited in occurrence to a given class, situation, or area: a species unique to Australia.
4. limited to a single outcome or result; without alternative possibilities: Certain types of problems have unique solutions.
5. not typical; unusual: She has a very unique smile.

You sound like you are saying that in your mind there is the Holocaust vs 'everything else'? And that if you disagree with that you are an anti-Semite? Am I misreading you?

Searcher, I was trying to answer a specific question Seemslikeadream asked of me concerning an earlier exchange between us. I answered that question.

Regarding your question. I think the Holocaust was unique both in intent and in scope (it was the "Final Solution" intended to exterminate every last Jewish man, woman, and child — and, utterly, to wipe the Jewish people from the face of the earth). To me, these factors are not a matter of debate; they are clear. Those for whom these matters are debatable might not be antisemitic — it's possible that they are terribly under-informed or misinformed — but they also might be. If someone seems determined to remain ignorant of these factors, or simply not to think about them, it does cause one to wonder why.

Still I am not inclined to get too far into the topic of the Holocaust here, in a thread that was originally intended to reach out to Compared2what, which is the purpose for which I posted my remarks, earlier this morning.
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby brainpanhandler » Mon May 14, 2012 1:42 pm

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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby JackRiddler » Mon May 14, 2012 1:53 pm

Searcher08 wrote:I didn't realise there were new board rules that said where I could post or not?


There are about derailing threads with your personal flamewar.

You seem to forget that both myself and slad didnt think the Atzmon thread was a good idea, but YOU wanted it.


Orwellian re-write. Didn't start it, stayed out of it for about 60 pages in the middle, always hoped it would go away because of what it ended up revealing about many posters on this board.

But you didnt like it when it opened a can of worms.


What, that if someone says Jews are the Unique Evil in the world without compare to run-of-the mill imperialists and got what was coming to them in the 1930s, they will find a chorus of defenders here, including you, because such statements anger the ADL and Dershowitz? Yeah, I don't like that.

As for your actually subscribing to and repeating personal racist abuse to slad, thank you.
It has been very helpful.


After you spend 79 pages defending Atzmon, you found a hook to hang your grievance on. A real riot.
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby Stephen Morgan » Mon May 14, 2012 1:56 pm

What the hell's going on here?
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby norton ash » Mon May 14, 2012 1:57 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:What the hell's going on here?


It's a puppet psychodrama about Syria.
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby JackRiddler » Mon May 14, 2012 1:58 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:What the hell's going on here?


Propaganda preparation for an attack on RI by the extratterestrial Xatons, after which we will all unite in solidarity and universal love.
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby Searcher08 » Mon May 14, 2012 2:10 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:I didn't realise there were new board rules that said where I could post or not?


There are about derailing threads with your personal flamewar.


I am not flaming anybody and to characterise what I say as such is nonsense.
You re-started a thread which you knew would be very contentious at this moment, a fact which you avoid showing the least sense of personal ownership about. So give me a break.


[quote= "searcher08"]You seem to forget that both myself and slad didnt think the Atzmon thread was a good idea, but YOU wanted it.[/quote]

JackRiddler wrote:Orwellian re-write. LOL
Didn't start it, LOL2
stayed out of it for about 60 pages in the middle, always hoped it would go away because of what it ended up revealing about many posters on this board.


It has certainly revealed a lot of hypocrisy.


Searcher08 wrote:But you didnt like it when it opened a can of worms.

JackRiddler wrote:What, that if someone says Jews are the Unique Evil in the world without compare to run-of-the mill imperialists and got what was coming to them in the 1930s, they will find a chorus of defenders here, including you, because such statements anger the ADL and Dershowitz? Yeah, I don't like that.


Some people disagree with your analysis. Personally, after watching the Norman Finklestein video and Defamation, I find your comments transparent in extremis.

Searcher08 wrote:As for your actually subscribing to and repeating personal racist abuse to slad, thank you.
It has been very helpful.


JackRiddler wrote:After you spend 79 pages defending Atzmon, you found a hook to hang your grievance on. A real riot.


I am in awe by how much integrity you are displaying. Your posts are really matching your values. When personal racist abuse to another longstanding RI member happens here, you just walk away, dissembling as you go.

Welcome to Bizarro World.
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon May 14, 2012 2:20 pm

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Ward Churchill has achieved an unparalleled reputation as a scholar-activist and analyst of indigenous issues in North America. Here, he explores the history of holocaust and denial in this hemisphere, beginning with the arrival of Columbus and continuing on into the present.

He frames the matter by examining both "revisionist" denial of the nazi-perpatrated Holocaust and the opposing claim of its exclusive "uniqueness," using the full scope of what happened in Europe as a backdrop against which to demonstrate that genocide is precisely what has been-and still is-carried out against the American Indians.

Churchill lays bare the means by which many of these realities have remained hidden, how public understanding of this most monstrous of crimes has been subverted not only by its perpetrators and their beneficiaries but by the institutions and individuals who perceive advantages in the confusion. In particular, he outlines the reasons underlying the United States's 40-year refusal to ratify the Genocide Convention, as well as the implications of the attempt to exempt itself from compliance when it finally offered its "endorsement."

In conclusion, Churchill proposes a more adequate and coherent definition of the crime as a basis for identifying, punishing, and preventing genocidal practices, wherever and whenever they occur.
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby JackRiddler » Mon May 14, 2012 2:22 pm

Searcher08 wrote:
Jackriddler wrote:What, that if someone says Jews are the Unique Evil in the world without compare to run-of-the mill imperialists and got what was coming to them in the 1930s, they will find a chorus of defenders here, including you, because such statements anger the ADL and Dershowitz? Yeah, I don't like that.


Some people disagree with your analysis. Personally, after watching the Norman Finklestein video and Defamation, I find your comments transparent in extremis.


So now I'm working for them, am I? Funny, I saw the same videos, and disagree with your analysis.

Except what I said is not an "analysis," it's a fair paraphrase of Gilad Atzmon and his playfully oblique, charming, sensitive justifications of Nazi exterminationism, or: Whatever Gets Up Dershowitz's Nose. As has been established by the 50 other times Atzmon's been quoted in his own words, starting with the Atzmon thread OP. But it's okay, Atzmon doesn't really mean it, he's just enjoying pissing off Dershowitz and his parents. You only find complexity and complex on his behalf. The statements of his you found worthy of defending for weeks and 79 pages go a lot further than your imagined "personal" "racist" "abuse" by c2w? for her finally telling off SLAD for insisting on inserting completely irrelevant Irish nationalist talk about who has the biggest holocaust. When it comes to c2w?, you scrub 79 pages and pretend she got there all on her own.

Searcher08 wrote:As for your actually subscribing to and repeating personal racist abuse to slad, thank you.
It has been very helpful.


"Personal" "racist" "abuse." From someone who has provided weeks of cover-fire for Atzmon's legitimation of large-scale extermination ideology.
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby American Dream » Mon May 14, 2012 2:25 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
What, that if someone says Jews are the Unique Evil in the world without compare to run-of-the mill imperialists and got what was coming to them in the 1930s, they will find a chorus of defenders here, including you, because such statements anger the ADL and Dershowitz? Yeah, I don't like that.
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon May 14, 2012 2:28 pm

Winston Churchill deliberately starved 6-7 million Indians to death in what was described in India at the time as a Bengali Holocaust.

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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby Project Willow » Mon May 14, 2012 2:29 pm

norton ash wrote:Stephen Morgan is a misanthrope satirist who likes to push buttons and envelopes. He gets slapped when he goes too far, as he should be.


Really? I think he's about as hip and cool as the new ironic racism, but then, I don't own a penis, so I don't have the privilege of viewing hatred of my sex as a literary device.

It's well past time for me to go too, there's a broader, renewed war on women that deserves unencumbered attention, and it can't get that in this forum.




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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby Project Willow » Mon May 14, 2012 2:32 pm

Slad, your calls for sensitivity, IN THIS CONTEXT, resemble a big, insensitive cudgel, and I think should, at the very least, cut it the fuck out.
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Locked Atzmon Thread - Continued...

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon May 14, 2012 2:35 pm

Project Willow wrote:
norton ash wrote:Stephen Morgan is a misanthrope satirist who likes to push buttons and envelopes. He gets slapped when he goes too far, as he should be.


Really? I think he's about as hip and cool as the new ironic racism, but then, I don't own a penis, so I don't have the privilege of viewing hatred of my sex as a literary device.

It's well past time for me to go too, there's a broader, renewed war on women that deserves unencumbered attention, and it can't get that in this forum.




Love to you C2W, wherever you are, sister.



oh yea? could have fooled me....I never write about anything important

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=34154&hilit=war+on+women


I guess this means I don't care about children
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Re: Damn You, Compared2What!

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon May 14, 2012 2:37 pm

Project Willow wrote:Slad, your calls for sensitivity, IN THIS CONTEXT, resemble a big, insensitive cudgel, and I think should, at the very least, cut it the fuck out.


I didn't start with the pics AD did....but that's ok right cause it's AD?
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