Earliest Known Mayan Calendar Found in Guatemalan House

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Earliest Known Mayan Calendar Found in Guatemalan House

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu May 10, 2012 8:10 pm

Earliest Known Mayan Calendar Found in Guatemalan House
By Elizabeth Lopatto - May 10, 2012 1:00 PM CT

A 1,000-year-old house in Guatemala, its interior adorned with paintings of people, numbers and astronomical symbols, has yielded the earliest known Mayan calendar ever found, archaeologists said.
The mural, covering three walls and a ceiling, is also the first Mayan art discovered in a building thought to be a house, according to the report, published in the journalScience.

The painted figure of a man - possibly a scribe who once lived in the house built by the ancient Maya - is illuminated through a doorway to the dwelling, in northeastern Guatemala. The structure represents the first Maya house found to contain artwork on its walls. The research is supported by the National Geographic Society. Photographer: Tyrone Turner/National Geographic via Bloomberg
The researchers believe dates on the walls represent astronomical cycles of Mars, Venus, and lunar eclipses for 7,000 years. That suggests Mayans had computed the sky’s events hundreds of years before their now-famous Codices, the hieroglyphic manuscripts that record the civilization’s history and chronicles. The oldest of the codices was written about 1300, according to the report.
“They’re painting it on the wall,” said William Saturno, an archaeologist at Boston University and lead author of the report, in a statement. “They seem to be using it like a blackboard.”
The ninth-century structure was first found in 2010, by Max Chamberlain, a student of Saturno, who had followed looters’ trails to the remote rainforest site. As for a popularly held belief that the Mayan calendar predicts the world will end in 2012, no such sign was found in the latest discovery, researchers said in a statement.
“It’s like the odometer of a car, with the Maya calendar rolling over from the 120,000s to 130,000,” said Anthony Aveni, professor of astronomy and anthropology at Colgate University and coauthor of the paper, in the statement.
Home of a Scribe
The site of the discovery is part of a city called Xultun, in Guatemala’s largest and northernmost region, Peten. The murals include a sitting king garlanded with feathers. Another painting shows a man in orange, holding a pen, who may be the house’s occupant, a scribe. Four numbers on the wall may represent the astronomical cycles.
The ancient Mayan civilization reached the pinnacle of its power around the sixth century, covering all of Guatemala, Belize, and parts of Honduras, El Salvador and Mexico. Today’s discovery dates from the so-called classic period, when many of the temples and palaces were built. Beginning in the early ninth century, the cities were abandoned. Researchers aren’t sure why.


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Re: Earliest Known Mayan Calendar Found in Guatemalan House

Postby Allegro » Fri May 11, 2012 1:43 am

William Saturno, a researcher of Mayan astronomical tables from the 9th century, is the first interviewed on this podcast.
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Re: Earliest Known Mayan Calendar Found in Guatemalan House

Postby wintler2 » Fri May 11, 2012 4:48 am

.."The ancient Maya predicted the world would continue - that 7,000 years from now, things would be exactly like this.

"We keep looking for endings. The Maya were looking for a guarantee that nothing would change. It's an entirely different mindset."

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Re: Earliest Known Mayan Calendar Found in Guatemalan House

Postby Allegro » Mon May 14, 2012 2:28 am

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Thanks, wintler2. Essays like that one and the OP help me find my feet.

In some of these threads, Ian Lungold is mentioned. Psynapz had some kudos for and certain challenges with Lungold’s first video presentation, which was then linked to ggl and it’s still there. I bring up Lungold’s name because it was he, who on an Internet talk show, was the first to introduce the Mayan calendar to many people including me back in I think 2002. I was fascinated with listening to a show via my laptop. Back then I couldn’t have imagined what we’re doing now.

To me, these older threads were fun reads.

Threads referencing Ian Lungold


If memory serves, Lungold’s data, from the desk of his tutor, Carl Calleman, rather faded as the Jenkins fellow got popular as in fame and fortune with a documentary on Discovery.

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Re: Earliest Known Mayan Calendar Found in Guatemalan House

Postby Allegro » Sun May 20, 2012 11:53 am

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An update.

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Maya art and calendar at Xultun stun archaeologists
— BBC Science | 10 May 2012 Last updated at 14:02 ET

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The preservation of the artwork surprised
archaeologists, given the dwelling’s shallow depth


    Archaeologists working at the Xultun ruins of the Maya civilisation have reported striking finds, including the oldest-known Mayan astronomical tables.

    The site, in Guatemala, includes the first known instance of Maya art painted on the walls of a dwelling.

    A report in Science says it dates from the early 9th Century, pre-dating other Maya calendars by centuries.

    Such calendars rose to prominence recently amid claims they predicted the end of the world in 2012.

    The Mayan civilisation occupied Central America from about 2000BC until its decline and assimilation following the colonisation by the Spanish from the 15th Century onwards. It still holds fascination, with many early Maya sites still hidden or uncatalogued.

    The ruins at Xultun were first discovered in 1912 and mapping efforts in the 1920s and 1970s laid out much of the site’s structure.

    ImageThree of the four walls of the structure are remarkably well preserved | Diagram of Xultun find →

    Archaeologists have catalogued the site’s features, including a 35m-tall pyramid, but thousands of structures on the 30 sq km site remain unexplored.

    In 2005, William Saturno, then at the University of New Hampshire, discovered the oldest-known Maya murals at a site just a few kilometres away called San Bartolo.

    in 2010, one of Dr Saturno’s students was following the tracks of more recent looters at Xultun when he discovered the vegetation-covered structure that has now been excavated.

    When Maya renovated an old structure, they typically collapsed its roof and built on top of the rubble. But for some reason, the new Xultun find had been filled in through its doorway, with the roof left intact.

    Dr Saturno, who is now based at Boston University, explained that despite it being under just a metre of soil today, that served to preserve the site after more than a millennium of rainy seasons, insect traffic and encroaching plant and tree roots.

    “We found that three of the room’s four walls were well preserved and that the ceilings were also in good shape in terms of the paintings on them, so we got an awful lot more than we bargained for,” he said.

    ‘Different mindset’

    The excavation was carried out using grants from the National Geographic Society, which has prepared a high-resolution photographic tour of the room.

    It measures about 2m on each side with a 3m, vaulted ceiling, and is dominated by a stone bench, suggesting the room was a meeting place.

    The east wall features a number of seated figures, nearly life-sized, dressed in black and wearing elaborate headdresses similar to a bishop’s mitre.

    They all look toward the north wall, on which a more elaborately dressed figure in orange holds a stylus in a hand outstretched toward a figure that Dr Saturno believes represented the king of Xultun.

    ImageThe astronomical cycles and corrections were used to predict lunar eclipses far into the future | Calendrical glyphs →

    “The seated figures that we see around them are involved in some narrative in which the king is being portrayed impersonating a Maya deity and these guys are in attendance at that impersonation,” Dr Saturno explained.

    The relevance of the figure with the stylus seems clear: “We think this room was used as a writing room, that it’s part of a complex associated with the work being done by Maya scribes.”

    Perhaps most intriguing among the finds were several finds related to astronomical tables, including four long numbers on the east wall that represent a cycle lasting up to 2.5 million days.

    The east wall is mostly covered by tabulations of black symbols or “glyphs” that map out various astronomical cycles: that of Mars and Venus and the lunar eclipses.

    The wall also features red marks that appear to be notes and corrections to the calculations; Dr Saturno said that the scribes “seem to be using it like a blackboard”.

    The Xultun find is the first place that all of the cycles have been found tied mathematically together in one place, representing a calendar that stretches more than 7,000 years into the future.

    The Maya numbering system for dates is a complex one in base-18 and base-20 numbers that, in modern-day terms, would “turn over” at the end of 2012.

    But Dr Saturno points out that the new finds serve to further undermine the fallacy that this is tantamount to a prediction of the end of the world.

    “The ancient Maya predicted the world would continue, that 7,000 years from now, things would be exactly like this,” he said.

    “We keep looking for endings. The Maya were looking for a guarantee that nothing would change. It’s an entirely different mindset.”
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Re: Earliest Known Mayan Calendar Found in Guatemalan House

Postby Marie Laveau » Sun May 20, 2012 1:47 pm

My only question is: is it the truth?

How convenient that it was found JUST as the world is wondering what 2012 will bring. And by a PTB publication.

The mayans never said the world was going to END anyway. They said it was the end of this age. Completely different. Kind of like Tolkien was trying to tell everyone. The earth goes through ages. It's the end of the fourth age.

God forbid that this mess should continue for another 7000 years. Well, it wouldn't. There is no way we can continue this mess for another 7000 years.

To me, just to me, it sounds like more propaganda. Kind of like the book of the revelator says that all holy hell was going to break loose "at the end of the world," and they've been trying to make it happen ever since.

There is a war going on. I think Rowling called it HOGWARTS - ghostwar. We muggles are generally too bat blind to recognize it.

Will be interesting to see what happens, though, eh?
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Re: Earliest Known Mayan Calendar Found in Guatemalan House

Postby vogonpoet » Sun May 20, 2012 6:30 pm

Marie Laveau wrote:My only question is: is it the truth?
How convenient that it was found JUST as the world is wondering what 2012 will bring. And by a PTB publication.
Those were my thoughts also. Gotta keep an eye out for too-convenient archeological finds, discovered "ancient" scripture, etc. - but no one is using this find to advance the ubiquitous doomsday narrative, AFAIK. So far.

Marie Laveau wrote:The mayans never said the world was going to END anyway. They said it was the end of this age. Completely different.
Right!

The site, in Guatemala, includes the first known instance of Maya art painted on the walls of a dwelling.
That's what's new and interesting here. It doesn't seem to be an ordinary home though; more like an astrologer-priest's home with attached study, maybe.
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