Aurora CO Theater Massacre

[lupercal]

And anyway, she did report him.

Not according to her testimony:

When asked on the stand Thursday if she reported Holmes, who was studying neuroscience at the university's medical campus, as a "threat to harm," she said she did not.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-575 ... lmes-once/

[lupercal]

Some 18-year old kid is going to tell their friend that they want to spike trees, build tiger traps, post warnings, and set up barricades, but their audience relates it to that time that the kid in Colorado made idle threats and ended up shooting up a Batman theater because standard earth first tactics aren't part of their worldview or experiences. We know, as adults, that we shouldn't discuss our operations, but that 18-year old didn't and wound up institutionalized because their party interpreted their words as those of a psychopath and not as an established traditional revolt against a specific entity. In this case, testimony could go a long way against a point of view that exists in a moral grey area and is far outside the American mainstream already.

Whoa. Good call bro. Scary as hell though especially if they roll out legislation to make finking even more compulsory.

But it's not compulsory at all. Tell me something, lupercal. Is there anything non-existent that doesn't scare you with its enormous menace?

Also explains the business with the letter, which they appear to have botched, but seemed intended to make an object lesson out of the shrink for not reporting the guy at the first sign of wrong-think. Also might explain that weird business with Nikki Giovanni, a widely known poet who by strange coincidence happened to have taught Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho in a poetry class, and alerted authorities about his expressed tendencies, which became part of the official story. All in all another brick in the road to 1984, to mangle a metaphor....

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ETA: This is not to say that I suspect Giovanni of complicity, because I didn't then and don't now, just that her complaint against Cho was widely reported.

And look at where we are today as a result. Just look.

Where we are today is that Fenton is having her reputation trashed by prosecutors eager to establish that she dropped the ball by not snitching more zealously. Thus we get the phone call she supposedly didn't take and the package she supposedly didn't open, and even though she contacted Uni police, that's clearly not going to cut it. So yes, I predict that snitch legislation will soon be forthcoming in Colorado and if the political winds are favorable the "Romney good citizenship act" or whatever cute name they give it will go national. He'd probably sign it his first day in office.

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Some 18-year old kid is going to tell their friend that they want to spike trees, build tiger traps, post warnings, and set up barricades, but their audience relates it to that time that the kid in Colorado made idle threats and ended up shooting up a Batman theater because standard earth first tactics aren't part of their worldview or experiences. We know, as adults, that we shouldn't discuss our operations, but that 18-year old didn't and wound up institutionalized because their party interpreted their words as those of a psychopath and not as an established traditional revolt against a specific entity. In this case, testimony could go a long way against a point of view that exists in a moral grey area and is far outside the American mainstream already.

Whoa. Good call bro. Scary as hell though especially if they roll out legislation to make finking even more compulsory.

But it's not compulsory at all. Tell me something, lupercal. Is there anything non-existent that doesn't scare you with its enormous menace?

Also explains the business with the letter, which they appear to have botched, but seemed intended to make an object lesson out of the shrink for not reporting the guy at the first sign of wrong-think. Also might explain that weird business with Nikki Giovanni, a widely known poet who by strange coincidence happened to have taught Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho in a poetry class, and alerted authorities about his expressed tendencies, which became part of the official story. All in all another brick in the road to 1984, to mangle a metaphor....

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ETA: This is not to say that I suspect Giovanni of complicity, because I didn't then and don't now, just that her complaint against Cho was widely reported.

And look at where we are today as a result. Just look.

Where we are today is that Fenton is having her reputation trashed by prosecutors eager to establish that she dropped the ball by not snitching more zealously.

That's kind of an overstatement, not to say a complete fiction. Her reputation is not being trashed by prosecutors. Or by anybody. Besides maybe me. I don't like that acupuncture-for-bigger-tits thing.

Thus we get the phone call she supposedly didn't take

It was almost midnight. Most doctors don't take calls from patients at that hour, if they take them at all.

and the package she supposedly didn't open,

It arrived after the shooting. Any fool would therefore assume that she didn't open it because she understood that IT WAS EVIDENCE.

and even though she contacted Uni police, that's clearly not going to cut it.

Yeah. That makes no sense.

So yes, I predict that snitch legislation will soon be forthcoming in Colorado and if the political winds are favorable the "Romney good citizenship act" or whatever cute name they give it will go national. He'd probably sign it his first day in office.

Right. Case closed.

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And anyway, she did report him.

Not according to her testimony:

When asked on the stand Thursday if she reported Holmes, who was studying neuroscience at the university's medical campus, as a "threat to harm," she said she did not.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-575 ... lmes-once/

It's more complicated than that.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ ... and-shrink

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Where we are today is that Fenton is having her reputation trashed by prosecutors eager to establish that she dropped the ball by not snitching more zealously.

If you learned that someone was was planning to kill men, women and children indiscriminately by opening fire in a crowded movie theater, would you consider it snitching to turn him in before he could do it?

[psynapz]

In other news:
Former college roommate of James Holmes speaks out.

[Luther Blissett]

Where we are today is that Fenton is having her reputation trashed by prosecutors eager to establish that she dropped the ball by not snitching more zealously.

If you learned that someone was was planning to kill men, women and children indiscriminately by opening fire in a crowded movie theater, would you consider it snitching to turn him in before he could do it?

If that cut-and-dry, I would. But I don't think it's often that the information would come packaged so neatly.

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^^Thankfully.

I agree. But, you know. I (personally) wouldn't feel a mandate to report a threat that didn't strike me as one. AFAIK, same goes for mandatory reporting by shrinks of threats by their patients to the lives of others/self.

Also, I've got to say that assuming that our hypothetical 18-year-old anarchist had a real, threatening-to-someone plan? If he or she wasn't judicious enough not to share it with a mandated reporter, he or she probably wasn't as judicious as people who do that kind of thing ought to be. For their own and everybody else's sake. That shit's dangerous. And illegal, too. You have to be careful with it.

[happenstance]

In other news:
Former college roommate of James Holmes speaks out.

That piece has a nice bit of advice in it, at least:

"everyone should check up on their introverted friends and get to know them better. You’ll learn a side that no one knows (remember, they’re misunderstood, not crazy). "

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Defense attorneys for suspected theater shooter James Holmes said their client was sent to the hospital Tuesday and needed to postpone a court hearing but did not provide additional details about his condition.

However, sources said Holmes injured himself by ramming his head into a wall at the Arapahoe County jail.

Over objections from prosecutors, Arapahoe County District Court Judge William Sylvester moved a hearing scheduled for Thursday to Dec. 10 and 13. That is when lawyers will discuss matters including how information about the package Holmes mailed to his psychiatrist was released to the media.

Citing concerns that divulging Holmes' "medical or psychiatric information" would waive the right to keep other personal details out of the courtroom, public defender Tamara Brady declined to state his ailment.

"In the middle of the day yesterday, we received information for the situation (that) involved a trip to the hospital," she said.

"It's not as simple as a migraine, and it's not something I feel will resolve by tomorrow morning."

Prosecutor Rich Orman objected, saying the defense did not provide enough information to determine whether the delay was justified.

"It's so black-letter law we actually learned it in law school," Orman said. "That's not the way the law works."

Sylvester reset the hearing, saying, "The defense has been able to give me the information I need."

Arapahoe County jail officials said they could not say whether Holmes had been returned to the lockup, where he has been bunking in the infirmary since his arrest. They called it "a matter of safety and security."

They also declined to discuss his condition.

Holmes is accused of opening fire during a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" on July 20 at the Century Aurora 16. Twelve people were killed and at least 58 were injured.

Holmes faces 166 counts of murder, attempted murder and other charges related to the shooting.

He has been present for all other hearings in his case.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ ... ng-delayed

First off, I am essentially 35% or so sure he didn't do it. Dude wasn't fit for his hearing let alone anything for that matter. This can be read any which way. An attempted murder so he can no longer testify?

[justdrew]

has anyone ever checked him for brain tumors etc?

[solace]

Law enforcement sources told local television station CBS4 that Holmes made multiple “half-hearted” suicide attempts over the past few days, including one in which he ran into a wall in his jail cell and another in which he jumped off his bed.

Another local television station, ABC7, reported that Holmes was hospitalized after intentionally pounding his head on the walls and floor of his cell.

The station quoted sources familiar with the case as saying his actions were an indication of Holmes’ mental state, but did not constitute suicide attempts.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/11/15/ja ... t---report

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http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/11 ... -evidence/

Aurora Massacre: Latest Developments Suggest Authorities Withholding Critical Video and Witness Testimonial Evidence

Posted on November 8, 2012 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton

There have been several interesting developments in the case(s) against Aurora Massacre suspect James Holmes.

The most curious of these has been Judge Sylvester’s Oct 30st 2012 refusal to release 5 groups of certain evidence in the case to the attorneys representing several shooting victims who are suing Cinemark USA for allowing the shooting to take place. Apparently the judge as well as the police department in Aurora are repeatedly denying the victims and their lawyers access to crucial information regarding Century 16′s supposed negligence in the case. The basis for this denial is the fact that they claim it would effect the case against Holmes. I guess it would.

Most important of these denials are 1. official transcripts of 911 calls made during and after the shooting and 2. videos taken from Century 16 which are relevant to the case (these transcripts are being held by the police department in Aurora who refuse to release them due to the fact that they claim releasing them could “jeopardize the integrity and fairness of the criminal investigations and is therefore against the public interest.”) I think that when one looks carefully at the publicly released documents from both the civil and the criminal actions filed as a result of the Aurora Massacre, one can certainly see that someone believes there are security videos that are in the custody of the authorities and not being released to the public because what might be on those videos, or better stated “what might NOT be on those videos” when coupled with what was said on those transcripts may tend to exonerate James Holmes and prove that the actual perpetrators of the Aurora Massacre are still at large.

We know for a fact that several of the police officers that night reported getting various statements from witnesses which contradicted their description of Holmes who had been taken into custody. They discussed these conflicting descriptions that night during the event on the police radios. This is what led to the police not only continuing to look for another suspect long after Holmes had been found in the car behind the theater entrance, but also to remark as late as the next day that they were still looking for a person of interest in the shooting...

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/11 ... ment-49134

James Holmes Will Never Go To Trial
Posted on November 15, 2012 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton

Several readers here have pointed out that James Holmes, accused of the Aurora Massacre, has been taken to the hospital for what has been reported “off the record” as “yet another” suicide attempt. This twist in the case delays a court proceeding that had been scheduled for today. The delay came at the request of the defense.

This new twist is simply more fodder for the grist mill of the “crazy Jimmy” narrative that is spun up to try Holmes in the court of public opinion while at the same time setting up a “plausible” ending for the story before he goes to trial.

Holmes will never go to trial. The evidence against him is weak to downright pathetic. They will never release the security video taken that night at the ticket window because there is no recording of James Holmes buying his ticket. If that image existed, we would have seen it LONG ago. Fact is, it doesn’t exist so the “official story” cannot be true.

We will also never be allowed to see the full officers report from that night detailing the condition of James Holmes when the officer found him inside his car. Based on what little information we know and the fact that they did not even take a booking photo of him the night he was arrested due to his drugged condition, James Holmes was apparently drugged to the gills when arrested, something that would have clearly prevented him from committing such a well planned and orchestrated “mass casualty event”

I don’t make unequivocal predictions very often but I will tell you this: James Holmes will never go to trial...

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http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/09 ... nfo-forum/

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has anyone ever checked him for brain tumors etc?

I think that by now he'd have some pretty unambiguous non-behavioral neuro- symptoms (vision, speech, balance, and...you know, stroke-type stuff, basically) if that's what had caused a behavioral shift six months ago. Wouldn't he? I don't know. IANAN.***

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***I am not a neurologist.

Like they know what they're doing, anyway.

[82_28]

Let me rescind the 35% figure and let me say that he was the dude with a 35% UNLIKELIHOOD of doing what was done. I meant it the other way around.

If we commit to this guys, we are going deep ass state.

Because here's the deal and we already know it. What would be the psychotic prize in such a massacre?