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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced a 2010 Pentagon budget Monday that reflects major changes in the "scope and significance" of Defense Department priorities.
One of the high-profile programs on the chopping block is the Air Force's most expensive fighter, the F-22 Raptor.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/06/ ... dget.cuts/
The final F-22 rolled off the assembly line on 13 December 2011 during a ceremony at Dobbins Air Reserve Base.[11]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_M ... -22_Raptor
JackRiddler wrote:2) Voting makes you a fully complicit co-perpetrator in the mass-murders of Barack "Hitler" Obama, the most exceptionally devious liar among all politicians ever in the history of the universe, according to Nordic and now 82_28. (Or else, you are killing yourself with your own hand, etc. etc.)
Which is it? When I ask, anti-voters insist they're saying it's number 1. Some pages later, you're back to making voters responsible for baby-murder.
sunny wrote:Nobody is forcing you to agree with our point of view; feel however you want about the issue of baby-killing drone attacks. But the contempt you and others are showing for people who DO feel this way is, well, contemptible. People follow their own sense of ethics and morality. We are all responsible for upholding our own integrity, in word and deed. By castigating others for taking what we feel is a self-evidently principled stance on baby-killing drone attacks by a fully complicit POTUS and sneeringly insisting we take a stand that we've already clearly taken, you are not maneuvering us into revealing any flaws in our logic, you are revealing yourselves as people who revere rigid rhetorical structure and inhumane 'reason' over principle and humanity.
sunny wrote:JackRiddler wrote:2) Voting makes you a fully complicit co-perpetrator in the mass-murders of Barack "Hitler" Obama, the most exceptionally devious liar among all politicians ever in the history of the universe, according to Nordic and now 82_28. (Or else, you are killing yourself with your own hand, etc. etc.)
Which is it? When I ask, anti-voters insist they're saying it's number 1. Some pages later, you're back to making voters responsible for baby-murder.
Nobody is forcing you to agree with our point of view; feel however you want about the issue of baby-killing drone attacks. But the contempt you and others are showing for people who DO feel this way is, well, contemptible.
People follow their own sense of ethics and morality. We are all responsible for upholding our own integrity, in word and deed.
DrVolin wrote:If voters are complicit, what does that make non-voters? What is the real complicity: Not speaking at all, or speaking, for example, by voting for a third candidate?
DrVolin wrote:If voters are complicit, what does that make non-voters? What is the real complicity: Not speaking at all, or speaking, for example, by voting for a third candidate?
compared2what? wrote:Anyone born after approximately 1930 who lives in the United States on non-Unambomber terms has probably been complicit in acts of baby-killing every single day of his or her life, irrespective of who he/she voted for or whether he/she voted. I'm not actually sure how or why voting came to be representative of political complicity in this conversation. As a matter of fact. If you're an American citizen, the real pay-off for your compliance in American crimes abroad is your life and everything in it. Such as that is.
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