How do we know the Malala Yousufzai story is real?

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Re: How do we know the Malala Yousufzai story is real?

Postby alwyn » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:22 pm

hey nordic,

hang in there, this too shall pass. election propaganda overload....i'm not jumping on the wagon agin ya, just clearing up the Saira Shah part, i know her family, neh?

i have always valued your contributions here, and your usually reasoned voice. just sayin.
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Re: How do we know the Malala Yousufzai story is real?

Postby smiths » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:52 am

how do we know this one is real?

In Cyber attack on Saudi Firm, U.S. Sees Iran Firing Back
secretary of defense, Leon E. Panetta, in a recent speech warning of the dangers of computer attacks,
cited the Aramco sabotage as “a significant escalation of the cyber threat.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/busin ... =all&_r=1&
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Re: How do we know the Malala Yousufzai story is real?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:38 am

^^Not a good example, actually -- thanks to the handy index term "cyber attack" you can easily know it's not real.
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Re: How do we know the Malala Yousufzai story is real?

Postby Nordic » Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:30 pm

http://cryptogon.com/?p=31934

CHAMP – Lights Out

October 24th, 2012

In other news, Panetta warns of “cyber Pearl Harbor”. *wink*

Via: Boeing:

Cruising fast over the Western Utah Desert, a lone missile makes history at the Utah Test and Training Range. The missile, known as CHAMP, or Counter-electronics High-powered Advanced Missile Project may one day change modern warfare, by defeating electronic targets with little or no collateral damage.

On Oct. 16th at 10:32 a.m. MST a Boeing Phantom Works team along with members from the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) Directed Energy Directorate team, and Raytheon Ktech, suppliers of the High Power Microwave source, huddled in a conference room at Hill Air Force Base and watched the history making test unfold on a television monitor.

CHAMP approached its first target and fired a burst of High Power Microwaves at a two story building built on the test range. Inside rows of personal computers and electrical systems were turned on to gauge the effects of the powerful radio waves.

Seconds later the PC monitors went dark and cheers erupted in the conference room. CHAMP had successfully knocked out the computer and electrical systems in the target building. Even the television cameras set up to record the test were knocked off line without collateral damage.
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Re: How do we know the Malala Yousufzai story is real?

Postby Nordic » Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:33 pm

And more back to subject:

I don't recall many people here being absolutely SURE that this wasn't a psyop operation:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylon ... an--2.html

IRAN: Footage of woman apparently shot in Tehran galvanizes opposition
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A disturbing video showing a young woman purportedly shot in the streets of Tehran is becoming a rallying symbol for opponents of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

It is one of many images and video posted on the Internet that seem to show the violence of today’s crackdown in the capital, where police and pro-government militiamen fired tear gas and water cannons at stone-throwing demonstrators protesting a disputed election.

It is not possible to verify the authenticity of these images, but they have been uploaded repeatedly on YouTube, Facebook and other sites.

A copy of the video was also emailed to The Times. It seems to show a woman lying in the street with blood spurting from her chest. A man leans over, trying to stop the bleeding with his hands.

The footage, which can be viewed on YouTube, is extremely graphic. The identity of the woman could not be independently confirmed. But she is referred to on Twitter as Neda.

"#Neda: You are the VOICE of the people. You are a call to FREEDOM.....rip," readd one of the many tweets about her apparent slaying.

CNN reports that pictures of the woman are appearing on posters in Tehran and she is being hailed as a martyr. The network broadcast an excerpt of the video with the face of the woman blurred out.

Iranian Americans also downloaded the video and used it to make posters, which were held up at a demonstration today outside the Federal Building in Westwood.

— Alexandra Zavis and Amber Smith


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Re: How do we know the Malala Yousufzai story is real?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:09 pm

Nordic, would you agree that the videotaped shooting of a random civilian does not really equate to the targeted shooting of an internationally famous person?
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Re: How do we know the Malala Yousufzai story is real?

Postby Nordic » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:18 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:Nordic, would you agree that the videotaped shooting of a random civilian does not really equate to the targeted shooting of an internationally famous person?


No. Again i have to say i don't know anything. My point is that we don't know ine way or another in either of these cases.

As psyops, it would have been important that the victim in Iran was random, and female. In the Pakistani case, as psyops it's vital that the girl was well known because then you can point out what a hero she was before she got shot. This is important in order to distinguish her from all the other girls who quietly accept their fates, one of which is to get blown up by american drones because they associate a little too closely with "known militants". See either way these two shot women were backing "Western Values" right? Going up against evil Muslim regimes.

Both are attractive martyrs for Western Values.
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Re: How do we know the Malala Yousufzai story is real?

Postby compared2what? » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:02 am

Nordic wrote:
Wombaticus Rex wrote:Nordic, would you agree that the videotaped shooting of a random civilian does not really equate to the targeted shooting of an internationally famous person?


No. Again i have to say i don't know anything. My point is that we don't know ine way or another in either of these cases.

As psyops, it would have been important that the victim in Iran was random, and female. In the Pakistani case, as psyops it's vital that the girl was well known because then you can point out what a hero she was before she got shot. This is important in order to distinguish her from all the other girls who quietly accept their fates, one of which is to get blown up by american drones because they associate a little too closely with "known militants". See either way these two shot women were backing "Western Values" right? Going up against evil Muslim regimes.

Both are attractive martyrs for Western Values.


Females are always attractive targets for theocrats and dictators, though.

It's obviously very wrong to condemn those regimes simply for being Muslim. But just because that happens and is wrong doesn't mean that they're so globally heroic as to be incapable of all bad acts. I mean, even if the thing in Iran was staged -- and even also granting that we make life there more hellish than it would be without our hostility and sanctions in countless ways on a daily basis -- the regime there would still be a theocratic dictatorship. And that's not just Western disinfo, unless every single Iranian who's emigrated to the west over the last three decades is an operative.
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Re: How do we know the Malala Yousufzai story is real?

Postby Nordic » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:10 am

Of course. It's not either/or. Few things in life are.
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Re: How do we know the Malala Yousufzai story is real?

Postby elfismiles » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:51 am

Obama Meets Malala Yousafzai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8uQfA8lg3E

Published on Oct 18, 2013
Malala Yousafzai may not have won the Nobel Peace Prize , but she did get to meet with President Obama and the first family.


Malala Tells Obama The Truth Obama Drone Strikes ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsVyTds6OIc

Malala Yousafzai To Obama's Face: Drones Fuel Terrorism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbgSRDxZlbg


Malala Yousafzai tells Obama drones are 'fueling terrorism ...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/10/11/2 ... -with.html
McClatchy Washington Bureau
Oct 11, 2013 - President Barack Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama, and their daughter Malia meet with Malala Yousafzai, the young Pakistani schoolgirl who ...

Malala's Drone Strike Warnings Ignored by US Media | Weapons of Mass Distraction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zsfXzQnmpo

Published on Oct 14, 2013

Abby Martin calls out the corporate media for its coverage of 16 year old Pakistani activist, Malala Yousafzai, highlighting her heroism promoting education against the Taliban, but omitting her important message to Obama about ending US drone strikes in her home country.


RI threads mentioning Yousafzai:
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Malala Yousafzai, Distraction for US Drone Killings in Pakistan and Advocate of Privatized Education, Wins Nobel Peace Prize
October 10, 2014 by legitgov

Malala Yousafzai, Distraction for US Drone Killings in Pakistan and Advocate of Privatized Education, Wins Nobel Peace Prize by Lori Price, http://www.legitgov.org 10 Oct 2014 CIA troll Malala Yousafzai (never 'shot by the Taliban,' as photographic evidence reveals) wins the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize over Edward Snowden. Sorry, it's too much to BEAR. See 'Project Malala': The CIA's Socio-Psychological Intelligence Operation 15 Oct 2012 ...We have a New York Times reporter throwing the limelight on Malala just a month after her blog entries for the BBC --> the young girl becomes a celebrity overnight --> Pakistani media gets abuzz with the student --> NGOs, etc. come in --> too much exposure --> then there's a continued development, in between we have Generals Allen and Dempsey pressurizing General Kayani for an unwanted offensive in North Waziristan --> sudden new wave of terrorist attack "traced to TTP militants" and finally --> attack on Malala and classfellows, out of nowhere a minister traces the leads to North Waziristan, exactly where the Pentagon and Langley want Pakistani forces in...When the interviewer asked her about fear and danger, Malala, speaking in a clear, forceful voice, said that her father, who worked for women's education and fully supported his daughter, had inspired her, and that her mother had told her to speak up for her rights. And then, in a rather prophetic moment, she envisioned a confrontation with the Taliban. [Wow, then it actually happened! Holy mackerel!] See also: The Staged Malala Yousafzai Story: The Face of the 'Universal' For-Profit School Movement 14 Oct 2012; The Staged Malala Yousafzai Story: The Making of Malala – The CFR Mockingbird Reporter and the Charter School Owning Father 17 Oct 2012; and McKinsey & Co, Inc.: The Globalist Management Consulting Firm Behind the Malala For-Profit Charter School Psyop 13 Oct 2013.

http://www.legitgov.org/Malala-Yousafza ... Wins-Nobel


Cites: Veteran's Today :roll: and WillyLoman ...

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/15 ... operation/

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/10 ... -movement/
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/10 ... er-father/
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2013/10 ... ool-psyop/

Malalai Yousafzai, Children Peace Award Nominee 01 Post by Zagham

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB5OQaKIPuY
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Re: How do we know the Malala Yousufzai story is real?

Postby Nordic » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:09 pm

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/201311193857549913

On October 24, 2012 a Predator drone flying over North Waziristan came upon eight-year-old Nabila Rehman, her siblings, and their grandmother as they worked in a field beside their village home. Her grandmother, Momina Bibi, was teaching the children how to pick okra as the family prepared for the coming Eid holiday. However on this day the terrible event would occur that would forever alter the course of this family's life. In the sky the children suddenly heard the distinctive buzzing sound emitted by the CIA-operated drones - a familiar sound to those in the rural Pakistani villages which are stalked by them 24 hours a day - followed by two loud clicks. The unmanned aircraft released its deadly payload onto the Rehman family, and in an instant the lives of these children were transformed into a nightmare of pain, confusion and terror. Seven children were wounded, and Nabila's grandmother was killed before her eyes, an act for which no apology, explanation or justification has ever been given.

This past week Nabila, her schoolteacher father, and her 12-year-old brother travelled to Washington DC to tell their story and to seek answers about the events of that day. However, despite overcoming incredible obstacles in order to travel from their remote village to the United States, Nabila and her family were roundly ignored. At the congressional hearing where they gave testimony, only five out of 430 representatives showed up. In the words of Nabila's father to those few who did attend: "My daughter does not have the face of a terrorist and neither did my mother. It just doesn't make sense to me, why this happened… as a teacher, I wanted to educate Americans and let them know my children have been injured."

The translator broke down in tears while recounting their story, but the government made it a point to snub this family and ignore the tragedy it had caused to them. Nabila, a slight girl of nine with striking hazel eyes, asked a simple question in her testimony: "What did my grandmother do wrong?" There was no one to answer this question, and few who cared to even listen. Symbolic of the utter contempt in which the government holds the people it claims to be liberating, while the Rehmans recounted their plight, Barack Obama was spending the same time meeting with the CEO of weapons manufacturer Lockheed Martin.

Selective memory

It is useful to contrast the American response to Nabila Rehman with that of Malala Yousafzai, a young girl who was nearly assassinated by the Pakistani Taliban. While Malala was feted by Western media figures, politicians and civic leaders for her heroism, Nabila has become simply another one of the millions of nameless, faceless people who have had their lives destroyed over the past decade of American wars. The reason for this glaring discrepancy is obvious. Since Malala was a victim of the Taliban, she, despite her protestations, was seen as a potential tool of political propaganda to be utilised by war advocates. She could be used as the human face of their effort, a symbol of the purported decency of their cause, the type of little girl on behalf of whom the United States and its allies can say they have been unleashing such incredible bloodshed. Tellingly, many of those who took up her name and image as a symbol of the justness of American military action in the Muslim world did not even care enough to listen to her own words or feelings about the subject.

As described by the Washington Post's Max Fisher:

Western fawning over Malala has become less about her efforts to improve conditions for girls in Pakistan, or certainly about the struggles of millions of girls in Pakistan, and more about our own desire to make ourselves feel warm and fuzzy with a celebrity and an easy message. It's a way of letting ourselves off the hook, convincing ourselves that it's simple matter of good guys vs bad guys, that we're on the right side and that everything is okay.

But where does Nabila fit into this picture? If extrajudicial killings, drone strikes and torture are in fact all part of a just-cause associated with the liberation of the people of Pakistan, Afghanistan and elsewhere, where is the sympathy or even simple recognition for the devastation this war has caused to countless little girls such as her? The answer is clear: The only people to be recognized for their suffering in this conflict are those who fall victim to the enemy. Malala for her struggles was to be made the face of the American war effort - against her own will if necessary - while innumerable little girls such as Nabila will continue to be terrorized and murdered as part of this war without end. There will be no celebrity appearances or awards ceremonies for Nabila. At her testimony almost no one even bothered to attend.

But if they had attended, they would've heard a nine-year-old girl asking the questions which millions of other innocent people who have had their lives thrown into chaos over the past decade have been asking: "When I hear that they are going after people who have done wrong to America, then what have I done wrong to them? What did my grandmother do wrong to them? I didn't do anything wrong."

Murtaza Hussain is a Toronto-based writer and analyst focused on issues related to Middle Eastern politics.

Follow him on Twitter: @MazMHussain

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Re: How do we know the Malala Yousufzai story is real?

Postby Sounder » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:35 am

Thanks Nordic, I had not realized that Jack had it in for you that far back.
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Females are always attractive targets for theocrats and dictators, though.

It's obviously very wrong to condemn those regimes simply for being Muslim. But just because that happens and is wrong doesn't mean that they're so globally heroic as to be incapable of all bad acts. I mean, even if the thing in Iran was staged -- and even also granting that we make life there more hellish than it would be without our hostility and sanctions in countless ways on a daily basis -- the regime there would still be a theocratic dictatorship. And that's not just Western disinfo, unless every single Iranian who's emigrated to the west over the last three decades is an operative.


we must be getting tired of hearing western exceptionalism being promoted both explicitly and implicitly, it has gotten old.

(That is their country, and our business is with our country and not other countries, -motes and all.)
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