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Postby semper occultus » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:59 am

...ahoy Ahab...a stonker of an article about the PIE network from the Mirror

money quote :
The probe led police to the kitchen of a flat in South London where they found a letter from 'Napier - who had a child assault conviction 20 years before - boasting of his life in Cairo as a"British Council teacher.
He bragged of easy access toyoung boys and how he could sendObscene images back to Britain in diplomatic bags.

Apparently the above named paedo - formaer Treasurer of PIE is the half brother of John Whittingdale MP,chair of the Culture,Media and Sports Select Committee


Abuse scandals probe widens: The man who may hold key to UK's biggest paedophile network ever

11 Nov 2012 09:11

Charles Napier could provide vital evidence for police investigation a child abuse scandal spanning three decades

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Inquiry: Charles Napier near his home on Friday

In the picturesque Dorset town of Sherborne, Charles Napier is an upstanding member of the community.

He is known as a respected retired languages teacher, a playwright and theatre director.

Only last month he gave a lecture on William Shakespeare at the town's literary festival.

But Napier's sordid past threatens to drag him into the heart of new inquiries into a child abuse scandal spanning three decades.

Evidence now being examined by Metropolitan Police detectives links Napier to Peter Righton, one of Britain's most high-profile paedophiles.

Righton is now long dead. But Napier is not. Now 68 and living with his mother in the West Country, he could prove a vital witness to the unfolding police inquiry into child abuse on a massive scale in this country.

Both men were linked to a shadowy organisation called the Paedophile Information Exchange which campaigned in the 70s and 80s for what they called the age of "child love" to be reduced to four.

Righton was a founder of PIE, Napier its one-time treasurer. Righton, incredibly, was also one of Britain's leading child protection specialists.

But when police raided his house in Evesham, Worcs, in 1992 they found not only hard-core child abuse images from Amsterdam but a "quarter-century of correspondence" between paedophiles in Britain and around the world.

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The probe led police to the kitchen of a flat in South London where they found a letter from 'Napier - who had a child assault conviction 20 years before - boasting of his life in Cairo as a"British Council teacher.

He bragged of easy access toyoung boys and how he could send Obscene images back to Britain in diplomatic bags.

The scandal erupted again when Labour MP Tom Watson raised the matter with David Cameron in the House of Commons last month suggesting a network of paedophiles working in the UK had links to high levels of Government.

He believes there was an Establishment cover-up of the Righton files and his claims are now being investigated by a Scotland Yard team.

Since Mr Watson's first dramatic announcement, dozens of victims have come forward with allegations of shocking abuse by paedophiles at care homes across Britain.

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Several names of senior politicians have been put in the frame though, it has to be said, without any evidential corroboration. However, what is clear is that there are real concerns that more could and should have been done after Righton's 1992 arrest and subsequent caution for indecent assault of a boy 30 years before.

Even Michael Hames, then head of Scotland Yard's Obscene Publications Squad, who handled the Righton files expressed disappointment more was not done. Writing in 2000 of the Righton inquiry, he called for a national team to be set up to investigate paedophiles, adding: "I remain convinced that we have only touched the tip of a huge national and international problem."

The story of Charles Napier is an extraordinary one that shows how a paedophile was able to operate with impunity while holding down a thoroughly respectable lifestyle.

It illustrates how there was little or no safety net to prevent child abusers from returning to their sick ways. And it begins at Copthorne Preparatory School, West Sussex, in the late 60s.

This week, respected author and journalist Francis Wheen told the Sunday People how he was just 11 when Napier arrived at the school.

He says Napier, then in is 20s, charmed the youngsters with his sports car, dashing good looks and claims that he was a professional actor.

Mr Wheen said: "He recruited a few of us, saying 'spend more time in the gym' and appointed himself gym master. There was a room off the gym and that became his haunt.

"Four or five of us started regularly going down there, vaulting over horses and things like that, in our gym shorts in all our innocence.

"At the end of it he would take us into his room off the gym and give us beer and cigarettes - bottles of Mackeson's and Senior Service untipped.

"We thought this was terrifically exciting. Here we were, 11 years old, being given beer and fags - we were thinking he's on our side not like any of the other masters. cigarettes , nd king ot like asters.

"And of course this was for an ulterior purpose which very soon became clear when he stuck his hand down my gym shorts and I had to sort of fight him off."

Napier then revealed his terrifying technique for grooming the youngsters by trying to humiliate the 11-year-old Francis.

Mr Wheen said: "He said 'Don't be such a baby' and said I wasn't grown-up enough for that sort of thing. He would point to a couple of other boys, saying 'They let me do it. You just won't let me because you're so babyish.'

Francis Wheen "I think he was hoping I'd say 'no I'm as grown up as them' and let him get on with it but I didn't. It meant I was excluded from his 'charmed circle' after that - but by then I knew where he kept his beer and cigarettes so I used to break into his room, steal them and go sit in the woods.

"I could enjoy them without being sexually abused."

Mr Wheen also described the culture of silence that grew up around the assaults, with youngsters reluctant to report the teacher, feeling they wouldn't be believed.

He added: "A year or two after I left, my younger brother - who was still at the school - came back from holidays and told me Mr Napier had been sacked.

"At long last one boy who had been sexually molested had been innocent enough to go to the headmaster and report him.

"There was a very hasty exit made by Napier. He had a flashy sp so up, speed and sports car and as soon as the game was up, he roared off at speed and pranged it on the school gates. I think I got away quite lightly - I can't pretend I've been scarred for life by it. But I'm sure there are children out there who have been badly damaged by Charles Napier."

In 1972, Napier was found to have indecently assaulted pupils at a Surrey school where he was working. After being banned from teaching, he left the country.

In 1978, he was working in Sweden where he taught at a junior school with pupils as young as 11 - and was visited by Righton.

Napier later surfaced in Egypt, where he worked as the assistant head of studies with the British Council in Cairo.

A letter from the time saw him boast to a friend that the city was "full of boys, 98 per cent of them available".

He also helped set up and run a school in Turkey. His picture appears on a website offering English as a Foreign Language, where he boasts: "Most of my posts have been in Europe, North Africa or the Middle East, and for the last eight years I've been in Istanbul, running my own school and writing a series of course books for Turkish students."

Back in England, Napier was jailed for nine months in 1995 for sexually abusing a 14-year-old boy he'd lured to his home in the 80s.

He befriended the lad, enticing him with lager and computer games - then abused him.

Prosecutors said: "It wasn't just a stranger grabbing a boy in the park. This was a slow insidious process. The boy was trapped - not forced."

Righton, a founder member of PIE, was at one time the UK's leading authority on the protection of children.

Yet he used his power to not only hide his paedophilia, but to help other child abusers - among them Napier.

The latter's ban on teaching meant he was added to List 99, a precursor of the Sex Offenders' Register.

And Righton - the subject of a 1994 documentary on paedophiles - used his influence to try to have Napier removed from the list so he could be allowed back into schools.

Risk Righton wrote to the Department of Education saying: "Mr Napier is a gifted teacher of both adults and children.

"I believe that during the years since his conviction he has acquired a knowledge and disciplined mastery of himself which would justify the conclusion he no longer constitutes a sexual risk to children in his charge.

"It would give me great pleasure - and cause me no anxiety - to hear the Secretary of State had reviewed his decision of October 24, 1972, in Mr Napier's favour."

In 1981, the ban was relaxed to allow Napier into colleges and universities. In 1990 he applied for the ban to be further relaxed - this time enlisting Dr Malcolm Fraser as his referee.

Dr Fraser was convicted in 1992 for possessing indecent photographs of children. His third conviction saw him struck off - and Napier remained on the banned list.

Mr Wheen thought he'd seen the last of his former teacher but their paths crossed again in 1977, when he was commissioned to write an article about PIE and its desire to lower the age of consent.

A senior group member told Mr Wheen: "You must speak to our treasurer.

He's very good. Very well informed about the issues."

And Mr Wheen was astonished to discover the expert he was being put in touch with was his former teacher - now PIE's treasurer - Charles Napier.

Mr Wheen added: "I didn't really want to speak to him. I couldn't believe what my old teacher had become."

Napier declined to comment yesterday.

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Postby semper occultus » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:14 am

..things that make you go hmmmmm # 106

re the vile DM hatchet job : check the authors

David Rose :
The many ways, by which intelligence services keep their journalistic contacts in line, are explained by British journalist David Rose. He describes how his contacts with MI5 and MI6 took place in expensive restaurants, and how the agents always insisted on paying the bill.

www.grin.com


Bob Woffindfen : Jonathan King is an innocent victim apparently .....
It’s still possible that the British legal authorities will come to rue the day that they convicted and imprisoned Jonathan King for ever since, he has continued to fight to show that he was wrongly convicted.
http://www.insidetime.org/articleview.asp?a=221&c=vile_pervert_the_musical


great link on Messham's background & tribulations :

http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/police-persecution-of-messham-and-abuse.html
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Postby smiths » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:34 am

not exactly on topic, but nonetheless highly relevant



Gillard launches royal commission into child abuse


Prime Minister Julia Gillard has announced the creation of a national royal commission into institutional responses to instances of child sexual abuse. The decision was taken at a meeting of federal cabinet this afternoon.

Ms Gillard had been under pressure to act following growing calls for a national inquiry into explosive allegations by a senior New South Wales police investigator that the Catholic Church covered up evidence involving paedophile priests.

A number of senior Labor MPs, as well as key independents, had already voiced their support for action on a national scale.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott also declared his support for a "wide-ranging" royal commission into child sex abuse but said it should not just focus on claims involving the Catholic Church.

Ms Gillard said the Government would take the coming weeks to consult stakeholders before announcing the terms of reference.

The Prime Minister said the commission would look at all religious organisations, state care providers, not-for-profit bodies as well as the responses of child service agencies and the police.

"The allegations that have come to light recently about child sexual abuse have been heartbreaking," Ms Gillard told reporters in Canberra.

"These are insidious, evil acts to which no child should be subject.

"Australians know... that too many children have suffered child abuse, but have also seen other adults let them down - they've not only had their trust betrayed by the abuser but other adults who could have acted to assist them have failed to do so.

"There have been too many revelations of adults who have averted their eyes from this evil.

"I believe in these circumstances that it's appropriate for there to be a national response through a royal commission."

Ms Gillard said she would speak with relevant premiers and chief ministers in the coming days to discuss how the royal commission would relate to any similar inquiries proposed or underway.

"Discussions will also take place with victims' groups, religious leaders and community organisations," she said.

"Further announcements, including the proposed commissioner and detailed terms of reference, will be made in coming weeks.

"I commend the victims involved for having the courage to speak out.

"I believe we must do everything we can to make sure that what has happened in the past is never allowed to happen again."



Church welcomes inquiry

The Australian Catholic Bishops Conference has released a statement saying it supports the royal commission.

The conference says child abuse is an issue for the entire community, not just the Catholic Church.

It says while there were significant problems in some Catholic dioceses and religious orders, it rejects suggestions there are systemic problems of sexual abuse in the church.

"It is unacceptable, because it is untrue, to claim that the Catholic Church does not have the proper procedures, and to claim that Catholic authorities refuse to cooperate with the police," the statement said.

"Sexual abuse of children is not confined to the Catholic Church. Tragically, it occurs in families, churches, community groups, schools and other organisations."

The investigator whose allegations sparked calls for a national inquiry, Detective Chief Inspector Peter Fox, has told the ABC's triple J that the royal commission was what he had been pushing for.

He said he was stunned it had happened so quickly.

"And delighted, absolutely delighted, for all those victims out there because this gives us so much of an opportunity to get things right, to look at recommendations for laws that should be changed to protect kids," he said.

The NSW Government has set up an inquiry in response to the claims raised by Detective Chief Inspector Fox. A separate parliamentary inquiry into church sex abuse is already underway in Victoria.

Chief Inspector Fox today said he was "saddened" by the narrowness of the inquiry set up by NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell in response to his concerns.

"I'm not politically aligned to anyone, and I haven't always been a big fan of Julia Gillard personally, but my God she's had some guts this afternoon, a lot more guts than Barry O'Farrell," Inspector Fox said.

"He was so disappointing and some, thank heavens, have stood up and done the right thing."



Coalition support

Earlier this afternoon Mr Abbott pledged his support if the Government decided to establish a "wide-ranging" inquiry.

"Wherever abuse has occurred it must be tackled and it must be tackled vigorously, openly and transparently," Mr Abbott said in a statement.

"It's clear that for a long period there was insufficient awareness and insufficient vigilance when it came to predatory behaviour by people in positions of authority over children.

"Any investigation must be wide-ranging, must consider any evidence of the abuse of children in Australia, and should not be limited to the examination of any one institution.

"It must include all organisations, government and non-government, where there is evidence of sexual abuse."

Several Labor MPs had publicly declared their support for a nationally constituted royal commission, with some pushing for terms of reference that would allow it to look beyond the immediate allegations involving the Catholic Church.
Call for action

Fellow Labor MP Joel Fitzgibbon, whose NSW electorate covers the Hunter Valley, earlier said it had become clear to him that a royal commission would be in the best interests of victims, their families and the church.

"The victims and their families need and deserve an assurance that no crimes or serious breaches of trust and responsibility have gone unpunished and that action has been taken to ensure that no such crimes or breaches can occur in the future," he said in a statement.

"It is clear that only the powers of a royal commission can adequately deliver those assurances.

"Further, the Catholic Church will struggle to rebuild its reputation while ever questions about institutional wrongs are not properly tested.

"Worse, the church will remain subject to all kinds of allegations and innuendo unless a formal process is established, and all the church's ongoing good work will pass unnoticed and unappreciated until the allegations are properly dealt with."

Earlier today, independent MP Tony Windsor said he had written to the Prime Minister urging her to take action to deal with the issue on a national scale.

Fellow independent Rob Oakeshott also backed calls for a national royal commission, saying there needed to be an inquiry with coercive powers to get to the bottom of the problem.

"No-one or no entity should be able to hide from the police in the gathering of evidence, particularly in an area that involves sexual abuse and children," Mr Oakeshott told ABC News Online.

"If it's not a national royal commission with wide powers, it would certainly be something of an equivalent such as a special commission of inquiry."

The Greens and independent senator Nick Xenophon have also publicly backed calls for a national royal commission into sexual abuse claims.

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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:01 am

semper occultus wrote:...ahoy Ahab...a stonker of an article about the PIE network from the Mirror

money quote :
The probe led police to the kitchen of a flat in South London where they found a letter from 'Napier - who had a child assault conviction 20 years before - boasting of his life in Cairo as a "British Council teacher.
He bragged of easy access to young boys and how he could send obscene images back to Britain in diplomatic bags.


Woah... diplomatic bags. Like Watson said, and like Nick Davies said in his articles from 1997. And of course we know there was Sir Peter Hayman, a genuine diplomat, and furthermore an MI6 man, with a genuine interest in these matters.

semper occultus wrote:Apparently the above named paedo - formaer Treasurer of PIE is the half brother of John Whittingdale MP,chair of the Culture,Media and Sports Select Committee


Jesus. This is astonishing if true (not that I doubt you, but I'll need to check). Thanks Semper. I mean, thanks, in a way. Because this is horrible. Of course, it's not John Whittingdale's fault if his half-brother was the Treasurer of PIE while he was a whip and then appointed to adjudicate over an inquiry into the ethics of the press after they had hacked a dead child's phone... anymore than it's Harriett Harman's fault that she was the law advisor to the NCCL when the PIE and the PAL were affilited to them... except these things kind of are their fault, aren't they?

Is this Murdoch's revenge? Brooks warned that there would be something in a year and a half. This is massive.

Abuse scandals probe widens: The man who may hold key to UK's biggest paedophile network ever


I read the article about Napier yesterday, but was still too disgusted by the one about Messham to take it in. This guy isn't the lynchpin that the folk in North Wales are after, is he? The respected public servant mentioned in the Sian Griffiths report? There are still more.

Did you hear about Jeremy Paxman's Tweet the other night, where he said the BBC had been on a downward path since the Hutton inquiry?
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Postby semper occultus » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:55 am

Sir Cyril Smith sex abuse dossier seized by MI5

A dossier of sexual abuse allegations against Sir Cyril Smith, the late Liberal Democrat MP, which police claimed was "lost" was actually seized by MI5, according to a former special branch officer.
By Steven Swinford
10:00PM GMT 14 Nov 2012

www.telegraph.co.uk/

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Tony Robinson, a special branch officer with Lancashire Police in the 1970s, said he saw a police dossier which was “thick” with allegations from boys claiming they had been abused by Sir Cyril.

He said that after taking the file out of the safe at special branch headquarters in Hutton, Preston, he was contacted by an officer from MI5 who told him it needed to be sent to London.

Mr Robinson also disclosed that the then Director of Public Prosecutions had examined the allegations but decided they were “not in the public interest”.

He said: ”The police now say the file is lost. It seems like there was a complete cover up to me.”

In 1974 the Conservatives invited the Liberals to form a Coalition government in which Smith could have been appointed a minister.
According to Mr Robinson a copy of the report from Lancashire Police was passed to Special Branch, which dealt with national security and intelligence.

Mr Robinson, who had a previous interest in the case, said he read Sir Cyril’s file. He said: “I looked through Sir Cyril’s file which was kept in a safe in our office.

“It was thick full of statements from young boys alleging abuse. It had been prepared for prosecution.

“Written across the top of it were the words: 'No further action, not in the public interest. DPP [Director of Public Prosecutions].’

“Shortly after taking it out I was called by an MI5 officer. They asked if I had the file on Mr Cyril Smith, and said: 'Please have this sent down to London.”

On Tuesday Simon Danczuk, the Labour MP for Smith’s former constituency in Rochdale, described him as a “29 stone bully” who “imposed himself” on his victims whom he “humiliated and terrified”.

Mr Danczuk said some alleged victims had only now come forward in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal and it was time to find out “why was this allowed to happen”.

Smith’s brother, Norman, said he was “staggered” the MP was blackening the name of Sir Cyril, who died in 2010, adding that the police found at the time that there was no case to answer.

Barry Fitton, a former resident of the Cambridge House hostel in Rochdale, told the website politicshome.com that when he was 15 Smith would make him strip, smacked his bare bottom and then stroked his buttocks.

On another occasion, Smith subjected him to a “medical” that involved him stroking his thighs and testicles.

Another former resident, Eddie Shorrock, who was 17, said Smith, who founded the hostel and had keys to its premises, also gave him a “medical” whenever he took time off work.

Mr Danczuk said a third victim, who wished to remain anonymous, had contacted him today to describe the “abuse meted out by Sir Cyril”.

Rumours about child abuse dogged Smith for much of his life, and appeared in a local magazine and in Private Eye in 1979.

Mr Danczuk, referring to the recent Rochdale grooming scandal, said:

“Attempts to suppress the truth are not new in Rochdale.

“Sir Cyril Smith was a political giant in Rochdale but his career was continually dogged by allegations that he had abused boys...these allegations must be properly investigated and the seriousness of the victims’ complaints must be acknowleged.

“Young boys were humiliated, terrified and reduced to quivering wrecks by this 29-stone bully imposing himself on them.”

Mr Danczuk made the comments during a debate on child sexual exploitation.

A CPS spokesperson said: “We cannot confirm at this stage whether the CPS, or any previous DPP’s office, received a file of evidence in relation to Cyril Smith, but we are currently doing what we can to double check available records.”

A Lancashire Constabulary spokesman said they were not planning to investigate the matter as there are no current allegations pending.

He added: “We believe there was an investigation in the late 1960s but as no records are now held it cannot be ascertained whether a file was passed to the Director of Public Prosecutions.

“These historic allegations date back more than 40 years and to a time when Rochdale was within the Lancashire Constabulary area.

“While we take matters such as this extremely seriously we have not received any further allegations and at this time there is no ongoing investigation in relation to this matter.”



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Postby justdrew » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:18 am

yeah, so this icke crit has no proof, but it's worth thinking about I guess...
seems plausible...

ImageDavid Icke heard about Jimmy Savile being a paedophile, from the early days of his BBC career and said nothing!!!

David Icke’s been boasting recently, how clever he was for revealing that Jimmy Savile was a paedophile back in 2011, and how nobody else believed him at the time. What I want to know is this—how many years ago did David Icke, really know about Jimmy Savile sexually abusing hundreds of children while working at the BBC, before finally coming forward with his story?

David Icke joined the team of Newsnight, in 1981. Esther Rantzen had known about Jimmy Savile’s sexual exploitation and abuse of children, since the 1970′s. How likely is it that in an organisation like the BBC (which is very close knit), David Icke wouldn’t have heard the rumours about Jimmy Savile as well? Not very likely. David Icke has been aware of Jimmy Savile’s child abuse activities, just like all the other prominent BBC presenters. David Icke like the rest of them, chose to say absolutely nothing.

Now this vile, cowardly man who put his own career before the safety of hundreds of children and teenagers, has the audacity to come forward and take ‘credit’ for exposing Savile as a paedophile after his death!!!

Congratulations Mr Icke—You like all the others, have shielded a monstrous serial paedophile from prosecution to save your BBC career and in doing so, you’ve made sure this appalling man was able to carry out the satanic, ritual sexual abuse of as many children as he wanted, for years and years—you should be very proud of yourself!!!
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Postby jingofever » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:24 am

What I have read is that Icke both learned of and wrote about Savile's pedo/necrophilia in the nineties. There wasn't a thirty year gap like the critic implies.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:46 am

That "Icke Exposed" piece is some vapid and hateful shit, but appropriate, given how many false positives Icke himself has posited over the years -- Fair Game, as it were, and in the scheme of things quite unlikely to do any real character assassination. Still, it's pigswill.

To the extent it's not pigswill, it represents an indictment of the entire BBC, every employee and contractor who ever spent time in those halls.

Which, again, is not entirely unfair.
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Postby semper occultus » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:23 pm

By David Icke

JIMMY SAVILE ...
… DOORMAN TO THE CESSPIT

The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday with 5,500-word background article on the Savile case and its much wider implications

I was first told about the real Jimmy Savile in the late 1990s in conversations with people who had serious insider knowledge about the British royal family and they said that Savile had been a close friend of Prince Philip until they had fallen out after a ‘big row’.


....the Biggest Secret came out in 1999....so depends on the extent to which DI was plugged in to the light entertainment grapevine - bearing in mind he was a sports newscaster....

....interesting coincidence of the day...someone's decides this loose cannon needs tieing down & brought infor a "little chat" :

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yesterday's coincidence of the day :

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Postby semper occultus » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:00 am

...ooooh another funny road accident.....Morton must be sitting on a pretty pile of elite dirt....

Princess Diana biographer Andrew Morton injured in fatal car crash while on honeymoon

•Andrew Morton and wife Carolyn suffered serious injuries yesterday

•They were being driven to the airport after a two-week honeymoon

•Woman and two-month-old baby in another car were killed in South Africa

•Mr Morton has written biographies on Princess Diana, William and Catherine, and Victoria and David Beckham

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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:35 pm

Thanks for reading the Star for us Semper. It's a gutter I prefer not to crawl but that King article is a gem. If it's true.
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Postby slimmouse » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:00 pm

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Any riggies got a take on Lord McAlpine threatening to sue what amounts to the population of a small town over all of this episode?

All the evidence, in the form of sworn affadavits by victims has magically disappeared?
There wasn't any real evidence, even though Scallywag magazine printed his name all over the place in a big article back in the 90s?

Looks like Icke might be in for some more action

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Postby slimmouse » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:27 pm

"This is why initially it falls to the Police to follow every lead and find the truth. In this case the hard evidence presented to the Police by Steven Messham actual photographs of the abusers, including as claimed Lord McAlpine, was lost by the police. Or so Steven Messham was told.
On the 8th of November the Mirror reported that:- "Photographs of men abusing boys in the North Wales paedophile scandal were deliberately destroyed by the authorities. Sian Griffiths worked for Clwyd Council in the inquiry office on the 1994 Jillings and six years later on the Waterhouse inquiry which looked into the systematic abuse at the children’s homes.
She told ITV News that victim Steve Messham’s photos of alleged abuse were ordered to be destroyed.
Mr Messham says photos captured lots of men raping boys, including a prominent Conservative figure he accuses of abusing him.
He says he could see men’s faces clearly, but the police said they could not identify them from the pictures.
Ms Griffiths was asked: “Messham talked about photos that he had of abuse taking place. Do you know what happened to them?”
“We were supplied with copies of court documents…there was an order made for the book of photos to be destroyed.
“So Messham’s photos of alleged abuse…were destroyed?
“They were. Well that’s what’s in court papers – official documents.”
That could have been vital evidence?
“It could. Yes.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/no ... ic-1426356"


Link http://jailhouselawyersblog.blogspot.co ... abuse.html
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby semper occultus » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:58 pm

http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?t=494964

bks & any others in catch-up mode : see below as good a summary as I've seen of this writhing octupus : ( I have redacted a certain name & related elements from the original posting owing to certain legal shenanigians occurring on other media platforms )



We now have a complete summary of how you get from Jimmy Savile to …. , please do make sure you read the Scallywag section and that which follows especially.

This is all compiled from news articles that have come out since the scandal broke, and those that were already out there.


Jimmy Savile

- ITV airs investigation revealing victims of abuse by Jimmy Savile, former DJ and television presenter at the BBC plus notable charity worker
- Police start investigation and hear from hundreds of victims over 40 years
- BBC revealed to have pulled an earlier investigation which made similar claims
- Videos of his BBC shows have Gary Glittler as a guest boasting of the girls they have
- A video shows Savile trying to molest one on air during Top Of The Pops, she went to floor managers about it but they laughed it off
- Savile revealed to have abused patients through his charity work at Stoke Mandeville hospital, the youngest being 8
- Savile had been given keys to Broadmoor high-security psychiatric hospital with unrestricted access
- Savile boasted in his autobiography that he slept with an underage girl but nothing came of it because he would 'take down half the station with him'
- Savile held a 'Friday Club' with members of the police both serving and retired every week for 20 years
- Savile was basically 'untouchable'
- Freddie Starr, comedian, arrested over similar allegations
- Several close friends of Savile said to have fled the country
- ITV preparing second programme concerning Savile's early years
- Dave Lee Travis, also a former DJ at the BBC and Top Of The Pops presenter, arrested
- Others still being investigated


North Wales child abuse scandal (1974-1990)

The fact Savile was untouchable, and this all went on in plain sight for decades, reopened questions about the abuse in care homes which Savile visited regularly in North Wales.

- Between 1974 and 1990, up to 650 children from 40 children's homes such as Bryn Estyn were sexually, physically and emotionally abused
- Only 9 people were charged, 7 convicted, and no one outside the care homes
- Persistent allegations were that the homes were visited by prominent people in the public eye and politicians at unexplained times, and also to collect boys and abuse them in local hotels and residences in London
- Jillings in his inquiry regretted he did not have the mandate to investigate these allegations further
- Jillings was also concerned there was a widespread paedophile ring in North Wales and the North West, of which there had been warnings 4 years earlier, and went to the Chief Constable about it
- The Jillings report was instead however ordered not to be published as not being in the public interest, having been warned by insurers of the cost of compensation to all the victims
- Parts of the unpublished Jillings report were leaked by a whistleblower which led to the Waterhouse inquiry
- The Waterhouse inquiry forbid any naming or investigation of those not already convicted
- Up to 60 names were removed from one victim's statement alone
- At least 16 victims of the abuse are now dead, 3 from suicide


Gateshead child abuse (1966-1973) / Peter Howarth / North Wales

- Peter Howarth taught at Gateshead's Axwell Park, a Home Office run school for troubled youngers where he abused children
- No charges or action was taken and he was then appointed deputy head at Bryn Estyn children's home where he continued to abuse the children in its care
- If action had been taken then at least one of those involved in the abuse in North Wales could have been stopped before it happened
- A victim of the abuse in North Wales said children were regularly abused for the 'entertainment' of Savile at the home in the presence of Peter Howarth
- Children were taken to Savile in Howarth's flat
- When the social worker blew the whistle on the abuse after police and council refused to take any action, Howarth was one of only 7 who were convicted.
- The Crown Prosecution Service decided not to charge 6 members of the police, including a Superintendent, saying it was 'not in the public interest to prosecute these police officers'
- All 6 members of the police took early retirement
- No charges were made against Savile or anyone outside the care homes
- Nothing about Savile, or anyone else, came out at all


Islington child abuse scandal (1970's-1980's)

This also happened in Islington where each of the 24 care homes was found to be abusing children.

- The abuse spanned the 1970's and 1980's, it is still unclear the number of victims and no one was charged
- It wasn't revealed until 1992 when a social worker blew the whistle after the police and council refused to take any action
- Although there were then as many as 13 inquiries, proving the abuse took place, none of them looked at the perpetrators
- The original whistleblower said when the story broke 'everyone just left the council'
- Some are still running councils elsewhere
- Perpetrators escaped conviction and went on to abuse elsewhere, some had links to those at other care homes
- One was arrested in Thailand in 2006 for abusing as many as 300 children

The head of Islington council at the time, Margaret Hodge, was later appointed Minister For Children in Tony Blair's government.


Jersey child abuse scandal (1960's-1980's)

- Jersey police have so far recorded complaints from at least 100 former child residents of Haut de la Garenne
- Only 6 were passed on for prosecution citing reasons that the complaints were not substantive enough
- 3 were dropped
- Of the 3 remaining one was a former child resident, the others carers, and all were convicted
- One of the perpetrators suspected in the Islington scandal was said to be involved with Haut de la Garenne
- Again, no one outside the care homes was charged
- There has been widespread criticism of the official investigations into it
- An American journalist, Leah McGrath Goodman, has been banned from the UK after saying she was investigating the abuse claims


Rochdale child abuse scandal (2007-2012)

- 9 Asian men were jailed for grooming young white girls for sex over 5 years
- Children and their parents went repeatedly to police and social services for help but were ignored
- Victims were said to be 'making their own choices', some were as young as 12
- A report in Rotherham found agencies there were aware of similar abuse but did nothing, and no one was prosecuted


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Sir Peter Morrison

Sir Peter Morrison, Parliamentary Private Secretary to the then Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, was identified on Channel 4 news by eye witness as one of the perpetrators in North Wales who was not revealed at the time nor charged.

- Edwina Currie's diaries published in 2002 had already named him as a 'noted pedarest' with a 'liking for young boys' and expressed concern at him being appointed PPS to Thatcher for fear of the press revealing it
- Currie was also responsible for appointing Savile to his role at Broadmoor
- Margaret Thatcher was said to either not be aware or 'taking a gamble'
- Norman Tebbit, Chairman of the Conservative party, was aware of it
- Teresa Gorman MP said his agent had been offered money to keep quiet about his activities


Sir Cyril Smith

- Sir Cyril Smith, Liberal Democrat MP for Rochdale, named in House Of Commons as a repeated abuser of young boys and urged victims to come forward
- He was investigated by Lancashire police in the 1960's but no action was taken
- Persistent allegations had been made over the years but still no action was taken
- MP said there had been a long-standing culture in Rochdale of 'hiding the truth'


The Church Of England and the Royal Family

- Peter Ball, former Church Of England Bishop, arrested on suspicion of sexually assaulting boys as young as 12
- A second unnamed man, a retired Anglican priest has also been arrested
- The arrest came as part of the investigation into Savile, on suspicion of 8 new offences against boys and young men in the 1980's and 1990's
- Ball had already been cautioned in 1993 for an act of 'gross indecency' against a teenage monk, after which he resigned
- Ball, like Savile, was a close friend of Prince Charles
- After he resigned the clergy Prince Charles gave him a grace and favour home, Manor Lodge, in the Somerset village of Aller
- The property is owned by the Duchy of Cornwall, Prince Charles' private estate
- Despite the caution Ball continued to work in churches till 2010
- The Queen's former press secretary, Dickie Arbiter, said Savile's behaviour when invited to St. James' Palace was 'cause for concern'
- Arbiter said he could never understand why Savile was granted such access to the Royal Family


Scallywag Magazine


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- The article ended by saying they would welcome being sued as they would defend the story as no one was there to defend the children
- The Prime Minister John Major however did sue Scallywag and its distributors for the claim he was having an affair with Claire Latimer and won. Forcing Scallywag out of production
- Claire Latimer later claimed Major used her as a 'decoy'
- Major was later confirmed to have been having an affair at the time with Edwina Currie
- Following the shut-down of the printed magazine Scallywag tried to continue online
- Julian Lewis MP sued their service provider and got them to shut it down while he was standing for election, using a rarely known electoral law about someone standing against him trying to influence voting
- Simon Regan, co-founder of Scallywag, was standing against him at the time claiming he was a liar and not fit for office
- Angus Wilson, the other co-founder of Scallywag, was killed in 1994 in a car crash in Cyprus aged 31
- You can read Simon Regan's appeal to find his killer, posted on Usenet in 1997, here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?h...ek/CkJUEfcyVYU

- Regan's letter from February 2000, regarding the Waterhouse inquiry and his own personal feelings about the abuse that had occurred and how is was being handled then, can be read here:

http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/201...-cover-up.html

- Regan died of a 'short illness' in the summer of 2000 the day after his birthday, aged 58, little else is known


Fate of some of the victims

A list posted by MP Paul Flynn of respondent witnesses mentioned in the 2002 inquiry report which was meant to be pulped in a cover-up. One copy survived and wound up at the Independent on Sunday:

R1: Fell to his death from a railway bridge. Former resident of Bryn Alyn Home.

R2: May, 1978, committed suicide aged 16 by taking an overdose of pain killing tablets. Former resident of Bryn Alyn.

R3: March 1985, was found dead in a flat in which he was living in poverty, aged 21. Former resident of Little Acton Assessment centre.

R4: April 1992, died in a fire aged 32 in premises in which he lived in Sussex. The inquest verdict – unlawful killing. Former resident of Bryn Alyn.

R5: June 1992, found dead aged 18 in a bed-sitter. Cause of death, acute respiratory failure due to solvent abuse. Former resident of Bryn Alyn.

R6: January, 1994, committed suicide by hanging, aged 27.

R7: April, 1994, died aged 27 from alcohol abuse. Allegations that he had been the subject of a serious sexual offence. Former Bryn Estyn resident.

R8: July 1994, found dead in a car, aged 18. Former foster child in Clwyd where he allegedly suffered from maltreatment.

R9: November, 1994, committed suicide aged 16 by hanging.

R10: February, 1995, died from and apparent heroin overdose aged 37. Former resident of Bryn Alyn where it was alleged he had been sexually abused.

R11: February, 1995, hanged himself aged 31. Allegations of sexual abuse against care workers.

R12: May, 1995, found hanging aged 27. Allegations that he had been sexually abused by a senior care worker. Former resident of Bryn Estyn.

More on R4, verdict unlawful killing, can be read here from 1997:

http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/201...ild-abuse.html


Current inquiries

There are currently at least 9 separate inquiries investigating the BBC, police, social services, and the previous inquiries. Demands are being made by the opposition and those involved with exposing the previous cases of abuse for a single overarching public inquiry into all the allegations and confirmed cases of child abuse.

No attempt at all has been made at any point to try and get a complete picture of the child abuse that was happening throughout the country, because of the limited mandates of each inquiry, nor identify and investigate all the perpetrators of it and bring them to justice.

The unpublished Jillings report said victims were sacrificed to protect those in professional positions at every stage.

Peers in the House Of Lords have demanded the inquiry into the Waterhouse inquiry be dropped or amended. The opposition have repeated their demand for a wider public inquiry but the Government has said it will not be changing its position.


Links

Original whistleblower in North Wales warns of the shift of focus and attempts to discredit victims of child abuse:

http://news.sky.com/story/1010077/co...-abuse-victims

Eye witness describes what went on at the care homes in North Wales:

http://www.channel4.com/news/exclusi...-boys-to-abuse

***** aftermath: Peers demand child abuse investigation is dropped:

http://m.politics.co.uk/news/2012/11...nquiry-dropped

The North Wales child abuse scandal: A damaged generation waits for justice 30 years on:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-8303901.html

(links to all the news articles used to make this summary are posted in the thread, I will add more to this section later)


In the section titled fate of some of the victims in Update #2, R4 and R10 were directly linked. They were brothers.

R4 died in the arson attack in Brighton in 1992, verdict unlawful killing. R10 survived and tried to get them to investigate further and reopen the case. They didn't. All these details can be got from the Brighton article:

http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/201...ild-abuse.html

In January 1995 R10 gave evidence in the trial of John Allen, head of the children's home company in North Wales. Allen is Mr X in the Scallywag article from 1994, and he was convicted. The person referred to as Paul in the Scallywag article also lived in Brighton in a flat paid for by Allen. Paul was said to have identified ***** from 4 photos and made a sworn affidavit to this effect. Scallywag said they had that sworn affidavit, and Paul went to the police about it with the photos. You can read about that here:

http://i.imgur.com/sEUuX.jpg

R10 was awarded substantial compensation by the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board, but on February 1st 1995 he was found dead in his flat from an apparent heroin overdose. Shortly after his death police raided his flat and seized a video tape, alleged like the photos Messham handed to the police to be of the child pornography that Scallywag said was being produced in the care homes. Through a company owned by Allen's niece in Copenhagen. You can read about that here:

http://i.imgur.com/mXWi6.jpg

Julian Lewis MP got the contents of Scallywag's office seized over an alleged rent dispute. When it was resolved and the contents were returned all the documents relating to North Wales were missing.

Angus Wilson co-founder of Scallywag died in 1994, in a car crash in Cyprus, aged 31. Simon Regan co-founder of Scallywag and who stood against Lewis in an an election saying he was unfit for office died in 2000, aged 58.

The Scallywag article published in 1994 was written by Angus James. Angus James Wilson:

http://i.imgur.com/ccFfC.jpg

John Allen went into hiding in 2003 when he was cleared of 36 further offences under European Human Rights legislation.

Allen is now working as a porter in a Premier Inn:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...e-home-1430164

From the end of the Scallywag article:


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Should ******* choose to consult his solicitors about the story we have printed, we would welcome the opportunity of dragging his name through the courts. Should he choose not to take action, then let his silence incriminate him.

We shall defend our story assiduously, for no one was there to defend the children continually abused by their rich and powerful overseers.

http://i.imgur.com/r6OXa.jpg

The Scallywag article was published in 1994 ahead of the trial in case of a miscarriage of justice, and to expose that it went far beyond Allen.

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