novel wtc demolition thread

[dbcooper41]

first, i don't think we can assume duplicate names are necessarily an accident. maybe they are, maybe they aren't. to me it smacks of chaff. google "david griffin wtc" and you get lots of
info about one person, not much at all about the other.

now, back to our story:

so on friday, sept 14, 2001 our hero managed to sneak through the security perimeter, past the cops on coffee break, and work his way into a job, and ID badge #39, out of 40,000 issued.
please consider, and reconsider this in light of the fact that president bush visited the world trade center site that same day. was security relaxed for the occasion? not likely since dick cheney was being secreted away for his protection. we were afterall, a nation at war.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/14/bush.terrorism/

now read this next report for an idea as to the security that was in place at the wtc cleanup site. it sounds like security was ineffecient but pretty tight. again, our hero managed to walk through this and into a job as a prime contractor and the "wtc demolition consultant", even though they seem to have had plenty of engineering talent onsite already.

"6.4 Site Access
The process of obtaining access through the security checkpoints going to Ground Zero was
disorganized, frustrating and most importantly, resulted in a significant delay. To further
complicate the situation, the process was constantly changing. The importance of restricting
access to the disaster site is obvious, and it is not difficult to understand the problems faced by
security when dealing with the multitude of people trying to access the site. A disaster site the
magnitude of the WTC will always present security problems and gaining access will be filled
with frustrations and delays.
An overview of how the structural engineering teams gained access to the disaster site is as
follows:
• Structural engineering teams met off-site at an engineering firm’s office to fill
out paperwork and to receive general briefing.
• The teams walked to the perimeter of Ground Zero.
• Security personnel searched for documentation to verify if they were allowed
access to the site. In some cases, they asked for verification that the
individuals were licensed engineers.
• After much confusion, having to wait in line with hundreds of construction
workers, and being sent to various security check points, site passes were
eventually issued.
• Engineers proceeded to the engineer command center to be briefed by crew
being relieved."

http://www.ncsea.com/downloads/wtcseerp.pdf

now, let's take a detour and look at a webpage we've already seen.
http://implosionworld.com/news.htm#1

scroll down and you'll notice another demo company mentioned besides dh griffin that seems to specialize in close in, urban demo work.

"Implosionworld.com exclusive, December 13, 2004-
Officials have scheduled the explosive demolition of the old Convention Center in downtown Washington DC for Saturday morning, December 18th.

The mammoth 800,000 square-foot structure will be brought down by Demolition Dynamics of Franklin, Tennessee, working in alliance with Wrecking Corp. of America and Goel Services. "

the DC convention center had some pretty important neighbors,

"The Convention Center is bordered by many high-profile structures, including the US Treasury Office, US Office of Homeland Security, US Secret Service, Smithsonian Building, the Grand Hyatt Washington and Renaissance Washington Hotel."

i can't find the link(still looking) but i seem to recall that DD also did the demo work at the actual site for the new dhs hq.

google "Demolition Dynamics" of Franklin, Tennessee and you'll find lots of other projects they have worked on.
however, i haven't found any links to any work they may have done at the wtc site. if anyone finds one i'd love to see it.
i'll post links to more info on DD later.
though they seem to keep a pretty low profile, some of you may have already heard of Demolition Dynamics, .

i'll be back in a bit with what i think is a very interesting factoid about DD. what some may call the "money shot" to this story.
and again, i'm not accusing anyone or claiming to prove anything. i'm just telling a story.


to be continued......

[dbcooper41]

Demolition Dynamics, http://www.demolitiondynamics.com/ is a company out of tenn. that specializes in unusual urban explosive demolition work. they work quite often with D H Griffin and a company named PROTEC.

Demolition Dynamics, lead by steve pettigrew, made a name by blowing up sports arenas, coliseums, and towers.

D H Griffin we've already heard about. the owner is the hero of our story who went to nyc after 9/11 and on the same day the president was at ground zero managed to sneak past security, talk his way into running the demolition work for the entire site, receive security ID badge #39, hang out with rudy and other celebs at the world series, and finally get an award from paul wolfowitz. he even got a tour jacket that says "demolition consultant, world trade center site".

PROTEC is an explosion documentation company. they measure the vibrations, etc to make sure no adjoining property is damaged. they also wrote the implosionworld.com report that "explains" why the towers couldn't have been blown up. they also just happened to be working in manhattan on 9/11/2001 so they had monitors set up and were recording the entire day. sound familiar?
the implosionworld.com report intro gives a good description of PROTEC's services. read the report carefully, we'll no doubt return to it often in the future.

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-W ... -06%20.pdf


these 3 companies, Demolition Dynamics, D H Griffin, and PROTEC, have worked as a team on dozens of projects. this article gives a good idea of what they each do.

http://www.pdworld.com/default_article. ... pageID=437

"--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Implosion » Demolition Dynamics sets new World Record

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Demolition Dynamics sets new World Record
News from the Implosion World by Brent Blanchard
Explosives Experts at Demolition Dynamics Co. (DDC) in USA, recently set a new record for world’s tallest building implosion when they successfully felled the 382-foot (116m) tall Landmark Tower in downtown Fort Worth, Texas.

The 33-story demolition project was wrought with challenges, not the least of which was its tight proximity to nearby buildings. Ten multi-story structures sat directly adjacent to the drop zone, most notably Fort Worth’s oldest church and two historic four-star hotels.

Digged 30-foot receiving pits
Demolition teams with Midwest Wrecking and D.H. Griffin of Texas, Inc., who contracted DDC for the explosives phase of work, overcame the lack of “drop space” by excavated massive 9 m deep receiving pits along the north and west sides of the structure and constructing scaffolding to protect the closest facades of adjacent buildings. Additionally, large steel plates were placed in roadways to protect underground utilities, container trucks and fencing were used to deflect any stray debris from impacting nearby hotels and offices, and a thin layer of wire fencing was draped over the entire structure to prevent hundreds of the building’s outer aluminium panels from “sailing” off site during the collapse sequence.
While this was occurring, blaster Steve Pettigrew and his DDC team loaded a total of 165 kg (364 pounds) of explosives on 11 blast floors, installed wood cribbing to serve as temporary interior support columns, and wired hundreds of feet of steel cables to non-loaded columns to facilitate pulling the structure into the receiving pits.
These substantial protection efforts were performed in an attempt to avoid problems encountered by other contracting teams on previous tall implosion projects. In 1997, the implosion of the 26-story Penzer Building in downtown Pittsburgh failed to fully pitch into its drop zone, causing substantial damage to utilities and nearby businesses. And in 1998, the implosion of the 25-story DL Hudson’s Building in Detroit tossed steel beams into nearby businesses and destroyed a section of the city’s public transportation system.
Adding to the drama of the Landmark Tower implosion, severe lightning and thunderstorms were tracked moving into Fort Worth on the morning of the blast, requiring the timing of the event to be moved forward. Police and security personnel acted quickly to secure the blast perimeter, and the button was pushed 24 minutes ahead of schedule.
When the dust had cleared, a well-fragmented debris pile no more that 9 m tall, with no damage to adjacent structures, spoke as silent testament to the project’s success. Field technicians with Protec Documentation Services verified that ground vibration levels fell within acceptable limits.Midwest Wrecking and DH Griffin of Texas personnel then worked through steady rain and thunderstorms to have all roadways completely reopened by noon.

Text and photos: Brent Blanchard/www.implosionworld.com"

i just noticed that the "author" of that article is Brent Blanchard, the author of the PROTEC report debunking the demo idea. so i guess protec and implosionworld.com might have a "good working relationship".here's another article about DD. they also do international work.

http://www.pdworld.com/default_article. ... pageID=101

"FRANCE - Paris, La Courneuve Tours
Neighbours were so excited to have these ten buildings demolished that they tried to do the job themselves with Molotov cocktails while the structures were being prepared for implosion. Turns out it was nothing that 600 Federal Police couldn’t handle, and Demolition Dynamics Co. Franklin, Tennessee USA eventually brought the structures down without incident."

from the same webpage, more on DD's work.

"USA - Washington DC, DC Convention Center
At 800,000 square ft2(74342m2)and surrounded by 5-star hotels, the US Treasury Department and the US Office of Homeland Security, this was easily the largest and most delicate implosion of the year. Blaster Steve Pettigrew with Demolition Dynamics Co. teamed up with Wrecking Corp. of America to ensure that this world-class project went off without a hitch."

here's some info on Demolition Dynamics owner steve pettigrew and his past experience. he started out with CDI, everyone's favorite demo suspect on 9/11 and in okc. btw, it seems tv shows about the demo industry have been popular lately.

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/detonators/ ... igrew.html

"

Meet Steve Pettigrew
Demolition Dynamics Blaster

One of the top blasters in the United States, Steve has felled hundreds of structures, and can proudly stamp his name on some of the biggest implosion jobs. He actually trained to become a professional chef but made a different turn into the world of demolition over 30 years ago. Steve started out with Controlled Demolition Inc. in 1977, working his way up from a laborer to a project manager. After spending six months working in Australia, Steve eventually returned to the states in the early 1990s where he founded Demolition Dynamics.

Steve has brought down everything from giant sports stadiums and convention centers to inner city buildings and industrial smoke stacks. His jobs include the massive Veteran's Stadium in Philadelphia, Jacksonville Memorial Coliseum and the Club Med hotel in Bermuda."

if you're interested a quick google search will show plenty more examples of Demolition Dynamics, D H Griffin and PROTEC working together. here's one more example that seems appropriate, they blew up twin towers in louisiana.

http://www.implosionworld.com/boelnrbftp.htm

though most articles simply say the companies "worked together", or "hired each other", the reality is they are, or were part of the same company. Demolition Dynamics was a spin off from d h griffin created just to handle explosive work. here's a law suit that deals with this issue.
http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/c ... 1350-1.htm

"Plaintiff contends the record reflects a genuine factual issue as to whether decedent was an employee of defendant. We agree.
It is undisputed that decedent was employed by a separate but related company, D.H. Griffin Wrecking Company (Griffi n Wrecking). D.H. Griffin, Sr., (Mr. Griffin), his son, and Steve Pettigrew (Pettigrew), a former co-worker of decedent, formed defendant company to provide Griffin Wrecking with explosive demolition capabilities. The two companies often worked together on demolition projects , and decedent likewise was regularly involved with such projects.
Defendant maintains decedent, at the time of his death, was an employee of both Griffin Wrecking and defendant and that plaintiff's claim alleging negligence by defendant is barred by the exclusivity provisions of the Act. However, plaintiff contends decedent was solely an employee of Griffin Wrecking and that plaintiff's wrongful death action against defendant may therefore proceed"

so it appears demolition dynamics and d h griffin are very closely related companies. at least they were, demolition dynamics has since been sold.
when i resume i'll try to show why i think all of this is at least interesting.

[lupercal]

Nevertheless, it is important to know what is possible. I don't think anyone on the forum has any question that the demolition of the towers was possible. A more interesting question, to me, might be, was the collapse of the towers possible via the plane crashes alone?

That's a good question because the answer is no, it is not a remotely possible that colliding aircraft could cause the Trade Center to disintegrate or cause any serious damage whatsoever below the collision. It would be like a bat colliding with a tree. Not one plane, not ten planes, not ten planes and great balls of fire could do more than possibly shear off the top of a tower.

That's one of many facts that make the NIST report preposterous and offensive. Another is that the aftermath photos show plainly that the towers did not collapse. Setting aside the astonishing paucity of debris, the photos consistently show an absence of buckled columns. I posted a DU thread on December 10, 2006, explaining why this visibly demonstrates that the towers could not have "collapsed" as a result of structural failure, with the expectation that somebody would eventually produce a photograph of a clearly buckled WTC column. To date, no one has:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=127965

There aren't as many debris photographs on the web as there used to be, but there are still plenty like the one below showing at a single glance that the official phony story is a big fat lie:

[barracuda]

Wow, lupercal, that is some thread you started over there. Thanks for the link - it's gonna take some time to cruise it.

[elfismiles]

Seismic Evidence Implies Controlled Demolition on 9/11
Posted on December 1, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog
Yet Another Line of Evidence Shows Demolition
André Rousseau is a Doctor of Geophysics and Geology, a former researcher in the French National Center of Scientific Research (CNRS), who has published 50 papers on the relationships between the characteristics of progressive mechanical waves and geology.

Dr. Rousseau is an expert on measurement of acoustic waves.

Rousseau says that the seismic waves measured on September 11th proves that the 3 buildings were brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, in a new scientific article published by the Journal of 9/11 Studies, Rosseau writes:

The seismic signals propagating from New York on September 11, 2001, recorded at Palisades (34 km) and published by the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University (LDEO), have here been subjected to a new critical study concerning their sources. The aim of this paper is to demonstrate that the nature of the waves, their velocities, frequencies, and magnitudes invalidate the official explanations which imply as sources the percussion of the twin towers by planes and the collapses of the three buildings, WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7.

***

First of all, we show the contradictions in the official explanation between the seismic data and the timing of the events. Then we point out that it is strange that identical events (percussions of identical towers on the one hand, and collapses of identical towers on the other hand) at the same location would have generated seismic sources of different magnitudes. We demonstrate that only strong explosives could be the cause of such seismic waves, in accordance with the observed low frequencies. According to the nature of the recorded waves (body and surface waves), we can propose a location of each explosive source. According to the presence of shear waves or the presence of Rayleigh waves only, we hypothesize a subterranean … explosion.

***

Near the times of the planes’ impacts into the Twin Towers and during their collapses, as well as during the collapse of WTC7, seismic waves were generated. To the degree that (1) seismic waves are created only by brief impulses and (2) low frequencies are associated with energy of a magnitude that is comparable to a seismic event, the waves recorded at Palisades and analyzed by LDEO undeniably have an explosive origin. Even if the planes’ impacts and the fall of the debris from the Towers onto the ground could have generated seismic waves, their magnitude would have been insufficient to be recorded 34 km away and should have been very similar in the two cases to one another.
As we have shown, they were not.

***

We can only conclude that the wave sources were independently
detonated explosives ….

***

Controlled demolition of the three towers, suggested by the visual and audio witness testimony as well as by observations of video recordings of their collapses, is thus confirmed and demonstrated by analysis of the seismic waves emitted near the time of the plane impacts and at the moments of the collapses.

This seismic analysis is just one of multiple lines of scientific evidence implying that 3 buildings were brought down by controlled demolition:




Watch 9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out on PBS. See more from KBDI.
And see this.



http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/12/ ... n-911.html

[DrVolin]

I worry when an argument is based on the premise that only x can cause y. I am much more comfortable when the argument is that x cannot cause y. Still, I look forward to reading the paper.

[Forgetting2]

Just a thought about the prep time for a traditional demolition. Often people will note how long it really takes to prep a building for demolition, that being longer that is usually admitted by someone arguing for CD on 9/11, but when a building is being officially demolished in the approved way, preparations include thoughts of safety, and environmental impact and having beams not fly hundreds of yards away, presumably. If one hasn't those considerations, and if in fact one wants it to be messy, perhaps it can be done faster...

[slimmouse]

For all of the valid, if often worryingly refined criticism of Alex Jones and his bullhorn, that goes on around this place, it really ticks me off that the idea of those 3 buildings being blown to bits, which should be a perfectly worthy position to anyone who saw what happened, is somehow divisive to 9/11 truth.

Call me the fool if you like, but until someone espoused a theory about genetically modiified steel eating ants having been secretively employed by the Govts on the morning of the collapse, then I would consider any kind of seemingly weird and wonderful explanation for what brought those buildings down to be infinitely preferable to the kind of vapid garbage contained in the official explanations.

As should anyone in their right mind.

AFAIC the idea that those 2 planes brought down those three building is the equivalent of the "magic bullet" theory of the Warren commission - Hopelessly and irrefutably compromised. Even a cursory glance at the NIST report or the 9/11 commission report should speak such logic to all but the fool IMHO.

I mean, how do you almost completely ignore the entire collapse of a building ( 9/11 commission report), or begin a Scientific investigation based upon predetermined parameters , issued by people who havent got a fukn Scientific brain between them. (NIST report)

Looking for a smoking gun? LOL.

[Spiro C. Thiery]

AFAIC the idea that those 2 planes brought down those three building is the equivalent of the "magic bullet" theory of the Warren commission - Hopelessly and irrefutably compromised.

And it speaks volumes that in both cases, the refuters are refused a right of reasonable refutation.

[8bitagent]

For all of the valid, if often worryingly refined criticism of Alex Jones and his bullhorn, that goes on around this place, it really ticks me off that the idea of those 3 buildings being blown to bits, which should be a perfectly worthy position to anyone who saw what happened, is somehow divisive to 9/11 truth.

Call me the fool if you like, but until someone espoused a theory about genetically modiified steel eating ants having been secretively employed by the Govts on the morning of the collapse, then I would consider any kind of seemingly weird and wonderful explanation for what brought those buildings down to be infinitely preferable to the kind of vapid garbage contained in the official explanations.

As should anyone in their right mind.

AFAIC the idea that those 2 planes brought down those three building is the equivalent of the "magic bullet" theory of the Warren commission - Hopelessly and irrefutably compromised. Even a cursory glance at the NIST report or the 9/11 commission report should speak such logic to all but the fool IMHO.

I mean, how do you almost completely ignore the entire collapse of a building ( 9/11 commission report), or begin a Scientific investigation based upon predetermined parameters , issued by people who havent got a fukn Scientific brain between them. (NIST report)

Looking for a smoking gun? LOL.

Well shoot, even bin Laden himself was surprised by the collapse
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -fall.html

By Toby Harnden in Washington

12:01AM GMT 10 Dec 2001

A VIDEOTAPE seized by American intelligence agents in Afghanistan shows Osama bin Laden gloating over the attack on the World Trade Centre and expressing surprise that the twin towers had collapsed.

The tape, found in a private home in Jalalabad, throws doubt on whether the two aircraft flown into the towers were deliberately aimed at places where their impact would destroy the entire structure.

It emerged at the weekend that Mohammad Atta, ringleader of the terrorists and the pilot of the first aircraft to crash, had been in New York with another hijacker in spring last year.

The visit was probably to carry out a reconnaissance mission but exact details of their movements have not been established.

On the tape, bin Laden discusses the September 11 attacks in Arabic with a man who appears to be a cleric. He says he was at dinner when he heard the World Trade Centre had been hit - news that was greeted by cheers around the table.

Those that carried out the horror show needed al Qaeda to feel they were big kids at a big wedding...like when parents let their toddlers think they put together something all by themselves "yayy! you did it Timmy!" and the kid is of course smiling and clapping. (interesting how a number of high level ISI and Saudi officials mysteriously died after Abu Zubaida was picked up and tortured by the CIA) Thats what the truthers I feel got completely wrong. The argument posited that al Qaeda was "falsely" blamed or that it was "allowed" to happen. I believe both to be rubbish arguments.

[Forgetting2]

Well shoot, even bin Laden himself was surprised by the collapse
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -fall.html

By Toby Harnden in Washington

12:01AM GMT 10 Dec 2001

A VIDEOTAPE seized by American intelligence agents in Afghanistan shows Osama bin Laden gloating over the attack on the World Trade Centre and expressing surprise that the twin towers had collapsed.

The tape, found in a private home in Jalalabad, throws doubt on whether the two aircraft flown into the towers were deliberately aimed at places where their impact would destroy the entire structure.

It emerged at the weekend that Mohammad Atta, ringleader of the terrorists and the pilot of the first aircraft to crash, had been in New York with another hijacker in spring last year.

The visit was probably to carry out a reconnaissance mission but exact details of their movements have not been established.

On the tape, bin Laden discusses the September 11 attacks in Arabic with a man who appears to be a cleric. He says he was at dinner when he heard the World Trade Centre had been hit - news that was greeted by cheers around the table.

Those that carried out the horror show needed al Qaeda to feel they were big kids at a big wedding...like when parents let their toddlers think they put together something all by themselves "yayy! you did it Timmy!" and the kid is of course smiling and clapping. (interesting how a number of high level ISI and Saudi officials mysteriously died after Abu Zubaida was picked up and tortured by the CIA) Thats what the truthers I feel got completely wrong. The argument posited that al Qaeda was "falsely" blamed or that it was "allowed" to happen. I believe both to be rubbish arguments.

What do people think of those reports of bin Laden denying any responsibility for the attacks? Fake? Disinfo? Real? Other?

Like this one.

[8bitagent]

Well shoot, even bin Laden himself was surprised by the collapse
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -fall.html

By Toby Harnden in Washington

12:01AM GMT 10 Dec 2001

A VIDEOTAPE seized by American intelligence agents in Afghanistan shows Osama bin Laden gloating over the attack on the World Trade Centre and expressing surprise that the twin towers had collapsed.

The tape, found in a private home in Jalalabad, throws doubt on whether the two aircraft flown into the towers were deliberately aimed at places where their impact would destroy the entire structure.

It emerged at the weekend that Mohammad Atta, ringleader of the terrorists and the pilot of the first aircraft to crash, had been in New York with another hijacker in spring last year.

The visit was probably to carry out a reconnaissance mission but exact details of their movements have not been established.

On the tape, bin Laden discusses the September 11 attacks in Arabic with a man who appears to be a cleric. He says he was at dinner when he heard the World Trade Centre had been hit - news that was greeted by cheers around the table.

Those that carried out the horror show needed al Qaeda to feel they were big kids at a big wedding...like when parents let their toddlers think they put together something all by themselves "yayy! you did it Timmy!" and the kid is of course smiling and clapping. (interesting how a number of high level ISI and Saudi officials mysteriously died after Abu Zubaida was picked up and tortured by the CIA) Thats what the truthers I feel got completely wrong. The argument posited that al Qaeda was "falsely" blamed or that it was "allowed" to happen. I believe both to be rubbish arguments.

What do people think of those reports of bin Laden denying any responsibility for the attacks? Fake? Disinfo? Real? Other?

Like this one.

I have an even better one

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34440,00.html

In this article it states:

- bin Laden denies responsibility
- Israel's Mossad had total foreknowledge of the attack
- Iran was an ally with America in combating Sunni extremists like Taliban and al Qaeda

My how those tidbits werent talked about again since!

According to three sources, two senior Israeli operatives came to the U.S. and warned both the FBI and the CIA that as many as 200 terrorists were in the country and preparing a "large-scale operation." The information was apparently not specific and did not include a target, but the time frame was called "imminent."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344 ... z2EEewXcct

I wonder if the "200 terrorists" they refer to were dealing in ecstacy, working mall kiosks or hassling people about buying art

[Forgetting2]

I have an even better one

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34440,00.html

In this article it states:

- bin Laden denies responsibility
- Israel's Mossad had total foreknowledge of the attack
- Iran was an ally with America in combating Sunni extremists like Taliban and al Qaeda

My how those tidbits werent talked about again since!

According to three sources, two senior Israeli operatives came to the U.S. and warned both the FBI and the CIA that as many as 200 terrorists were in the country and preparing a "large-scale operation." The information was apparently not specific and did not include a target, but the time frame was called "imminent."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344 ... z2EEewXcct

I wonder if the "200 terrorists" they refer to were dealing in ecstacy, working mall kiosks or hassling people about buying art

I remember seeing that a while back. The question remains as to the believability of these claims as opposed to competing claims. This has some effect on any idea about what actually happened. Although I don't really expect to ever actually 'know,' I'm presently convinced of the deep state connections, as most of the people on this board take for granted it seems. As to the OP, demolition seems quite possible... Bin laden's involvement is there, but what was it really?