Report from Iron Mountain and JK Galbraith

[Hammer of Los]

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Interesting thread this.

Why do I think of Arnold Toynbee?

Was Ira Einhorn ever associated with the release of any documents concerning electro magnetic influence of the organism?

I'm too lazy to do the search, and my memory is failing me.

An' I got shoppin' laundry washin' up cleanin' writin' drawin' bloggin' etc to do.

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[MinM]

Memorandum to President Kennedy from Ambassador John Kenneth Galbraith on Vietnam, 4 April 1962

Source: The Pentagon Papers, Gravel Edition, Volume 2, pp. 669-671

THE WHITE HOUSE
Washington

April 7, 1962

The Honorable Robert S. McNamara
Secretary of Defense
Washington, D.C.


Dear Mr. Secretary:

The President has asked me to transmit to you for your comments the enclosed memorandum on the subject of Viet-Nam to the President from Ambassador J. K. Gaibraith dated April 4, 1962.

Sincerely
Michael V. Forrestal

Encl: Memo to Pres. from Amb. Gaibraith

April 4, 1962

MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT
Subject: Viet-Nam


The following considerations influence our thinking on Viet-Nam:

1. We have a growing military commitment. This could expand step by step into a major, long-drawn out indecisive military involvement.
2. We are backing a weak and, on the record, ineffectual government and a leader who as a politician may be beyond the point of no return.
3. There is consequent danger we shall replace the French as the colonial force in the area and bleed as the French did.
4. The political effects of some of the measures which pacification requires or is believed to require, including the concentration of population, relocation of villages, and the burning of old villages, may be damaging to those and especially to Westerners associated with it.
5. We fear that at some point in the involvement there will be a major political outburst about the new Korea and the new war into which the Democrats as so often before have precipitated us.
6. It seems at least possible that the Soviets are not particularly desirous of trouble in this part of the world and that our military reaction with the need to fall back on Chinese protection may be causing concern in Hanoi.

In the light of the foregoing we urge the following:

1. That it be our policy to keep open the door for political solution. We should welcome as a solution any broadly based non-Communist government that is free from external interference. It should have the requisites for internal law and order. We should not require that it be militarily identified with the United States.
2. We shall find it useful in achieving this result if we seize any good opportunity to involve other countries and world opinion in settlement and its guarantee. This is a useful exposure and pressure on the Communist bloc countries and a useful antidote for the argument that this is a private American military adventure.
3. We should measurably reduce our commitment to the particular present leadership of the government of South Viet-Nam.

To accomplish the foregoing, we recommend the following specific steps:

1. In the next fortnight or so the ICC will present a report which we are confidentially advised will accuse North Viet-Nam of subversion and the Government of Viet-Nam in conjunction with the United States of not notifying the introduction of men and materiel as prescribed by the Geneva accords. We should respond by asking the co-chairmen to initiate steps to re-establish compliance with the Geneva accords. Pending specific recommendations, which might at some stage include a conference of signatories, we should demand a suspension of Viet Cong activity and agree to a standstill on an introduction of men and materiel.
2. Additionally, Governor Harriman should be instructed to approach the Russians to express our concern about the increasingly dangerous situation
that the Viet Cong is forcing in Southeast Asia. They should be told of our determination not to let the Viet Cong overthrow the present government while at the same time to look without relish on the dangers that this military build-up is causing in the area. The Soviets should be asked to ascertain whether Hanoi can and will call off the Viet Cong activity in return for phased American withdrawal, liberalization in the trade relations between the two parts of the country and general and non-specific agreement to talk about reunification after some period of tranquillity.
3. Alternatively, the Indians should be asked to make such an approach to Hanoi under the same terms of reference.
4. It must be recognized that our long-run position cannot involve an unconditional commitment to Diem. Our support is to non-Communist and progressively democratic government not to individuals. We cannot ourselves replace Diem. But we should be clear in our mind that almost any non-Communist change would probably be beneficial and this should be the guiding rule for our diplomatic representation in the area.

In the meantime policy should continue to be guided by the following:

1. We should resist all steps which commit American troops to combat action and impress upon all concerned the importance of keeping American forces out of actual combat commitment.
2. We should disassociate ourselves from action, however necessary, which seems to be directed at the villagers, such as the new concentration program. If the action is one that is peculiarly identified with Americans, such as defoliation, it should not be undertaken in the absence of most compelling reasons. Americans in their various roles should be as invisible as the situation permits.

https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/p ... doc112.htm

# Show #606
Original airdate: November 29, 2012
Guest: Jim DiEugenio / Bill Simpich / John Armstrong
Topics: Destiny Betrayed / The Twelve Who Built The Oswald Legend / Harvey and Lee

Play Jim DiEugenio (1:20:07) MP3 download

# Discussion of Jim's newly updated Destiny Betrayed
# Kennedy's foreign policy ideas clashed with the National Security state
# Why he was killed, the establishment of the Cold War, the Dulles'
# Sullivan & Cromwell, it was about money, imperialism and colonialism
# Overthrow of foreign leaders, reneged on the Geneva Accords
# Cuba, Fulgencio Batista sold out the country to American interests
# Eisenhower and Dulles drove Castro into the arms of the Russians
# A study of Cuba, Phillips in 1959, recruiting Cubans, a government in exile
# Kennedy, third world nationalism, 1951 trip to Southeast Asia, Edmond Gullion
# Imperialism vs. nationalism, Operation Vulture, Sen. Kennedy letter on Indochina
# Kennedy's 1957 Algerian resolution, TIME, DEMOCRATS: Man Out Front
# As President, Kennedy begins to change foreign policy, Congo, Indonesia, Laos
# Assassination of Patrice Lumumba, Sukarno, Prouty on the case of Allen Pope
# November 1961, send troops to Vietnam? NSAM 111, Galbraith report
# The Bay of Pigs the transition, from an infiltration, to a strike force
# JFK was misled, Castro was alerted, no guerilla training, myth of the air strikes
# Dulles in 1965 admitted that the operation wouldn't succeed
# Kennedy would not commit naval or air power for an invasion
# Robert Leavitt, no accountability at the CIA, fire all the Dulles'
# Men still there, with allegiance to Dulles, not Kennedy
# Bay of Pigs and Dallas, de Torres, Phillips, Hunt, Morales, Angleton
# Operation 40, Prouty on the Forty Committee
# The title of Destiny Betrayed was chosen by the original publisher

http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black606a.mp3

[elfismiles]

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Was Ira Einhorn ever associated with the release of any documents concerning electro magnetic influence of the organism?

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Yes, he was one of the first distributors of EMF-MK related docs ... he and Andrija Puharich.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ira+ein ... nd+kontrol

[Hammer of Los]

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Yeah. It's one of those things.

I keep thinking about Ira Einhorn.

And Ed Mitchell, for some reason.

I'm probably off topic.

Or connecting two strands perhaps.

Christ I read so much I forgot all about it.

I used to think it was crazy stuff.

Elfis, you da man.

What a tangled web, eh?

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[Wombaticus Rex]

That is General Martin Dempsey. He is standing on a huge world map looking like he's waiting to use the dressing rooms at Macys. He is ostensibly modeling the future itself, and doing rigorous testing, serious business.

Yeah.

Source: NYT

America's Unwinnable War Games, quite decent commentary from Salon.

[semper occultus]

1972 / Washington D.C.

Richard Nixon Thinks Big

Nixon: See, the attack in the North that we have in mind… power plants, whatever’s left—POL (petroleum), the docks…. And I still think we ought to take the dikes out now. Will that drown people?

Kissinger: About two hundred thousand people.

Nixon: No, no, no… I’d rather use the nuclear bomb. Have you got that, Henry?

Kissinger: That, I think, would just be too much.

Nixon: The nuclear bomb, does that bother you? I just want you to think big, Henry, for chrissakes. The only place where you and I disagree is with regard to the bombing. You’re so goddamned concerned about civilians, and I don’t give a damn. I don’t care.

Kissinger: I’m concerned about the civilians because I don’t want the world to be mobilized against you as a butcher.

From the Nixon White House tapes, recorded on April 25, 1972, made public by the National Archives on February 28, 2002.


http://www.laphamsquarterly.org/voices-in-time/richard-nixon-thinks-big.php

[justdrew]

that was Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars

Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, An Introduction Programming Manual was uncovered quite by accident on July 7, 1986 when an employee of Boeing Aircraft Co. purchased a surplus IBM copier for scrap parts at a sale, and discovered inside details of a plan, hatched in the embryonic days of the "Cold War" which called for control of the masses through manipulation of industry, peoples' pastimes, education and political leanings.

ah yes. that's it!


so these documents constitute somewhat the core cannon of conspiracy codices I guess?

Report from Iron Mountain
the Gemstone File
Silent Weapons for quiet wars

all are probably no more real than the protocols?

another of these types of things:

the Torbitt Document
http://the-torbitt-document.blogspot.com/

[Julian the Apostate]

there was then a number of these types of documents put out. I guess it's an old game really, going way way back. but didn't the gemstone file come out a few years later? Is that the one that was supposedly found by some guy who bought a surplus copier?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemstone_File

ok, no. odd that that FactSheetFive guy is involved with promulgation of the Gemstone File in some way.

but anyone know what I might be dimly recollecting regarding the supposed finding of secret documents in a surplus copier?

Fascinating subject, I had not heard of any of these “real or fake?” supposed conspiracy documents.

The Gemstone File apparently “portrays Onassis as the main force behind the election of John F. Kennedy as President, and subsequently, Kennedy's assassination in 1963. According to the documents, Lee Harvey Oswald was a patsy in the JFK assassination plan and was linked to the Central Intelligence Agency, and to Mafia connections in New Orleans, with Jimmy Fratianno, Johnny Roselli, and Eugene Brading as the real shooters. The Gemstone papers claim that John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy and Joseph P. Kennedy were involved with the Mafia and Onassis, and when the Kennedy brothers attempted to break away, they were murdered”?

That would make his later relationship with Jackie Kennedy so much more…..poetic

[Julian the Apostate]

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I keep thinking about Ira Einhorn.

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I just read on wiki that Arlen "magic bullet" Specter was his attorney at the murder trial

[Julian the Apostate]

that was Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars

Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, An Introduction Programming Manual was uncovered quite by accident on July 7, 1986 when an employee of Boeing Aircraft Co. purchased a surplus IBM copier for scrap parts at a sale, and discovered inside details of a plan, hatched in the embryonic days of the "Cold War" which called for control of the masses through manipulation of industry, peoples' pastimes, education and political leanings.

ah yes. that's it!


so these documents constitute somewhat the core cannon of conspiracy codices I guess?

Report from Iron Mountain
the Gemstone File
Silent Weapons for quiet wars

all are probably no more real than the protocols?

The Torbitt document is fascinating. I am reading it (very slowly). I have JFK and the Unspeakable, thanks to this board. Wonderful and sad book. I have often wondered about Aei Onassis' incolvement in all this.


another of these types of things:

the Torbitt Document
http://the-torbitt-document.blogspot.com/

[justdrew]

I'm not aware of what criticism there may be of the Torbitt document. Looking around for that.

Explosive Jackie O tapes ’reveal how she believed Lyndon B Johnson killed JFK

the torbitt document
by Kenn Thomas - July 20, 2001

[Julian the Apostate]

I'm not aware of what criticism there may be of the Torbitt document. Looking around for that.

Explosive Jackie O tapes ’reveal how she believed Lyndon B Johnson killed JFK

the torbitt document
by Kenn Thomas - July 20, 2001

Interesting, thanks. I learned a new word today: samizdat.

The Johnson angle is interesting. On one hand, it’s easy to see how he might have been involved, and there are a number of circumstantial things that suggest it. However, Col. Prouty didn’t seem to think so, he says the assassination was timed partly so Johnson would “hear the sound of the guns” and understand that the conspirators meant business. Also, IIRC in JFK and the Unspeakable, Johnson comes across as potentially knowing something was going on, but not being actively involved, and “not wanting to go there” in the aftermath. I also think Nixon and his little “Bay of Pigs thing” quip is one of the most telling pieces of the puzzle, like a tape-recorded version of the “wink” photo at Johnson’s swearing-in.

When you start to really get into this information, it’s amazing how compartmentalized the whole thing had to have been, how many different “assets” were available to be called on when needed, even to perform the smallest and seemingly inconsequential task, which later turned out to be very important in the larger scheme. It doesn’t seem possible without a “maestro” but there couldn’t have been one given the vastness of the conspiracy. Maybe there were a few key “nodes” within CIA, Military, Corporate, Organized Crime, FBI?, Secret Service? ….. but did they ever talk to each other? It is really very angletonian in nature. It just boggles the mind. If it hadn’t really happened, I wouldn’t believe it could happen.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Angletonian, indeed.

Recommend Kerry Thornley's entertaining and probably fictional account of just such a Maestro -- a very compelling and educational portrait:

http://the-puzzle-palace.com/files/kerry.txt

Just a .txt file, but I'll be damned it if wasn't one the best things I read last year.

[justdrew]

Angletonian, indeed.

Recommend Kerry Thornley's entertaining and probably fictional account of just such a Maestro -- a very compelling and educational portrait:

http://the-puzzle-palace.com/files/kerry.txt

Just a .txt file, but I'll be damned it if wasn't one the best things I read last year.

not sure how much of the same ground it covers, but here's a link to where you can download free (or pay if you're kind and can). Actually, they appear to be the same text...

http://ovo127.com/2009/08/02/ovo-17-the-dreadlock-recollections-january-2007/
The Dreadlock Recollections by Kerry Wendell Thornley
140 pages, 8.5 x 11, $15.00 in print or $4.95 for Kindle
Confession / satire by the mind-controlled assassin of John F. Kennedy.

In early November of 1963, Slim and I arrived at the little house in Harahan, Louisiana, and Brother-in-law said to me, as soon as I sat down, “Kerry, give me some ideas about assassinating John F. Kennedy.” I was more than happy to oblige; for years I had been saving up ideas about how to murder the President. I’d spoken of assassinating Kennedy to anyone who would listen to me ever since my arrival in New Orleans.

[Wombaticus Rex]

^^^Same text, just given a different title and made into a book. I don't think your post is redundant, though, someone might prefer that formatting.