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Thinking the Unthinkable

Postby IanEye » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:03 pm

Thinking the Unthinkable

In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.

Three days before 20 year-old Adam Lanza killed his mother, then opened fire on a classroom full of Connecticut kindergartners, my 13-year old son Michael (name changed) missed his bus because he was wearing the wrong color pants.

“I can wear these pants,” he said, his tone increasingly belligerent, the black-hole pupils of his eyes swallowing the blue irises.

“They are navy blue,” I told him. “Your school’s dress code says black or khaki pants only.”

“They told me I could wear these,” he insisted. “You’re a stupid bitch. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!”

“You can’t wear whatever pants you want to,” I said, my tone affable, reasonable. “And you definitely cannot call me a stupid bitch. You’re grounded from electronics for the rest of the day. Now get in the car, and I will take you to school.”

I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby jlaw172364 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:59 pm

@IanEye

I skimmed that article. One possible cause of the kid's problems may be that nobody recognizes the use of electronic media as a type of addiction. And what kinds of games is young Michael playing? Might they be the games where the gamer's avatar gets a license to kill virtual enemies with no consequences? Most games targeted to young males involve violence on an epic scale.

Some research has allegedly shown that these games light up the same areas of the brain as cocaine. So the kid, already cursed with a high IQ, and all the trouble that brings, may also be coping with the virtual equivalent of bouts of cocaine withdrawal.

Think I'm being a little extreme?

I reflect back on my childhood experiences with videogames. How I begged my parents for a Nintendo console, and then once I got it, I played it nonstop for hours at a time. How angry I would get when they would attempt to curtail my use. How socializing with friends revolved around various video game consoles . . . until we discovered chemical narcotics. And then we combined the two. Video-games and drugs. Not exactly a winning combination.

So, what does the mother do when her son acts out. She immediately drags him to the "authorities," who have every incentive to drag treatment out as long as possible so they maximize billing, if not the parents, then the insurance company, or the state. As soon as you drug someone, without ANY understanding of the underlying causes for the symptoms, you then alter their neurochemistry, thus complicating the issue. It's like clubbing someone over the head as they wander through a labyrinth because you think the problem is that they're wandering, or that they're frustrated at wandering and not getting anywhere, so you want a quick fix. All you do is add another layer of complexity.

And of course HIS behavior is problematized.

What about the insanity of forcing children to where uniforms or attend schools they hate while simultaneously gaslighting them by telling them they live in a free country with rights, yet controlling every fucking aspect of every fucking thing they do? And then pretending like they have some disorder because they act out.

Note how the mother controls him by allowing electronics to function as a both a babysitter, but also as an addiction that can be taken away so the kid suffers withdrawal without even realizing that he's going through it. Then the withdrawal is characterized as some bullshit disorder.

In my opinion, and I may get flack for this, whatever, the guns are the least part of the problem. It's the fact that our society drives people insane in a number of ways for profit, and then blames the insane for being weak when they can't cope any longer. Most people self-harm with drug and alcohol abuse, or some other form of self-destruction, as a way of rebelling against being controlled. But that's just another fake controlled rebellion that people (alcohol industry, drug industry, sickcare industry, etc.) profit off of. So an outlier, assuming they aren't Manchurian candidates, rebels against the non-violence programming . . . . But that's ALSO another fake controlled rebellion that other people (law enforcement, military, intelligence agencies) profit of by running ever-expanding expensive protection rackets.

So, if they ban guns, this outlier will resort to some other form of violence. Someone posted the headline about the guy in China who stabbed a bunch of people.

At some level, state officials may acknowledge that a lack of creativity fuels violent rebellions. I mean, most people aren't creative enough to escape all forms of self-destructive behavior. They've been conditioned that way. People who break out of non-violence programming think they're thinking outside the box. But they're really in another box. The state seeks to limit the size of that box by glorifying guns as tools of destruction throught the mass media. This limits the creativity of the potential rebels, who come to see guns as the only tools available to foment their little rebellions.

As an aside, I've come across many pieces of data that indicate that criminal organizations lobby for gun control laws. It makes it easier for them to rob and otherwise prey on civilians. And the military and police like them because they want a monopoly on going after the bad guys. The former don't want armed civilians because it's harder to prey on them, and the latter don't want armed civilians because then they'll have to find different, less adrenaline-fueled work, which offers less opportunities for graft.
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past is prologue

Postby IanEye » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:25 pm

jlaw172364 wrote:@IanEye

Think I'm being a little extreme?




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IanEye wrote:No one seems to be coming at this from an angle that is obvious to me.

Let’s say my sister was at that VT campus the day Cho killed all of those kids. Now let’s say that Cho in fact killed my sister and Cho was actually taken alive. As it turns out Cho has [as killers often do] a rationale as to why he needed to kill as many people as he did and if we would only listen to his rationale we might understand him better. Guess what? I have no interest in Cho’s rationale, I only know he has killed a beloved family member of mine and I want to teach him a serious lesson in pain.

Now let’s run through this scenario again Rothbardian, only inject you and your gun into the mix.
You are in the classroom when Mr. Cho bursts in and starts to shoot people and so you get out your gun to “defend yourself”. While you are in the process on “defending yourself” you shoot and kill my sister. Who knows? Maybe you are not as good a shot as you think you are. Or perhaps you are too excited. Who knows? Maybe my sister is using her martial arts skills to defend herself and steps in front of Mr. Cho just as you have squeezed your trigger. Regardless, you have killed my sister and not surprisingly, you have a rationale [as killers often do]. Guess what? I have no interest in your rationale, I only know you have killed a beloved family member of mine and I will teach you a serious lesson in pain.

From the sounds of it, it would be much harder to teach Cho a lesson in pain. What could I do? Kill one of his family members? From his writings it sounds as if Cho had issues with a few of his family members, and if I committed an act of violence on them I might actually be doing him a favor.
Meanwhile, in the latter scenario, you, having killed my sister [and who knows how many others], while in the act of “defending yourself” would be held by the police as a person of interest. The police would certainly want to see if you were part of a broader conspiracy of violent killers. What would I be doing during this time? I’d be really really angry.

Angry at you Rothbardian.

Who knows? Perhaps while I was on your property, digging a hole to hide the remains left over from me dealing with my anger [see how I have a rationale?], I’d stumble on your stash of Gold?

Now, multiply this scenario by every additional gun that would be present at the crime scene in the wonderful world of “freedom” you envision in your head, and we would have the makings of a true cycle of vengeance and violence that would make the Iraqis tremble with envy.

Perhaps my take on this sad tale offends you Rothbardian. If so, I can only offer you the words of the Butthole Surfers as a consolation,

“The funny thing about regret is: it’s better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you haven’t done. And by the way, if you see my sister this weekend, tell her……”
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby brekin » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:08 pm

IanEye wrote:


I skimmed that article. One possible cause of the kid's problems may be that nobody recognizes the use of electronic media as a type of addiction. And what kinds of games is young Michael playing? Might they be the games where the gamer's avatar gets a license to kill virtual enemies with no consequences? Most games targeted to young males involve violence on an epic scale.

Some research has allegedly shown that these games light up the same areas of the brain as cocaine. So the kid, already cursed with a high IQ, and all the trouble that brings, may also be coping with the virtual equivalent of bouts of cocaine withdrawal.

Think I'm being a little extreme?

I reflect back on my childhood experiences with videogames. How I begged my parents for a Nintendo console, and then once I got it, I played it nonstop for hours at a time. How angry I would get when they would attempt to curtail my use. How socializing with friends revolved around various video game consoles . . . until we discovered chemical narcotics. And then we combined the two. Video-games and drugs. Not exactly a winning combination.

So, what does the mother do when her son acts out. She immediately drags him to the "authorities," who have every incentive to drag treatment out as long as possible so they maximize billing, if not the parents, then the insurance company, or the state. As soon as you drug someone, without ANY understanding of the underlying causes for the symptoms, you then alter their neurochemistry, thus complicating the issue. It's like clubbing someone over the head as they wander through a labyrinth because you think the problem is that they're wandering, or that they're frustrated at wandering and not getting anywhere, so you want a quick fix. All you do is add another layer of complexity.


Whoah bro, I hear you on the video game addiction, I started binging back on the Colecovision and also recognizing the negative mind altering effects, but this kid threatens to kill himself and his mother when she doesn't give back his videogame privileges. He also calls her a stupid bitch when he can't wear his navy pants. He may also have a fashion addiction but this kid's problems are beyond simple electronics. Sure it would be nice to figure out what exactly causes him to speak like he's the next Lex Luthor and makes his whole family have an emergency plan, but don't you think she hasn't tried? From what I read it looks like she has been more than progressive in looking for solutions. Don't you think the numerous caretakers of the possibly violently mentally ill would rather not have to go to the "authorities"? Is it so easy to understand the underlying causes of mental illness symptoms that people who resort to having to alter their child's neurochemistry are just lazy? I would read the article again and realize this lady is living a nightmare. This kid to me definitely seems beyond the typical defiant young teen and someone who would definitely challenge most peoples assumptions if they were their primary caregiver.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:08 pm

When we live in a society where mental health programs dont get even 1/20th the cost of a single military R and D program...and mental health is thought of as an AFTERTHOUGHT
in the wake of preventable tragedies

When we live in a world where technology is making people feel even MORE isolated...and sharing feelings is "gay"...and kids who are alienated have no place to feel welcome

When we have a president who mass murders innocents on a weekly basis then makes jokes about it at elite correspondent dinners...

When we live in a world where the fucking military "advises" on ultra violent movies and video games(and then actually recruits some of the best high scorers
for drone pilot programs and the marines)

When we live in a world where your governent is responsible for the deaths and torture of countless Iraqis and Afghans but then makes everyone believe
it was "all worth it" because they finally got some old bearded man who may or may not have had anything to do with a terrorist attack.

When we live in a world where loud mouth right wing idiots are always on tv saying how everyone should be armed to the teeth
and the prolapsed rectum of America called conservativism reducing people to "those damn liberals" or "those illegals" in the media.

And when we live in a world where bullshit Apple consumerism is pushed down our throat every day despite such a growing economic/mental health gap...

Yeah, I can see how shit like this can happen. Where as always, it's automatic Newsweek/Time/etc sealed legendary status for these avatar kids. Loughner/Cho/Hawkins/Holmes/Lanza/Klebold/ *insert name of the next camo clad kid*
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby justdrew » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:58 pm

"The Westboro Baptist Church stated earlier this week that they would be picketing the funerals of the victims of Newtown Connecticut's tragic shooting in an effort to bring awareness to their hate messages. In response, the Anonymous hacker collective has hacked their website and posted the personal information of all of its members."


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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby Col. Quisp » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:31 pm

82_28 wrote:Yes, and according to the medical examiner many of these little babies were shot between 2 to 10 times apiece. Heaven have mercy on all of our souls.

How is that possible? How many guns did he have, and what kind? I've heard he had two pistols. It's not possible to shoot that many people that many times, is it?
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby elfismiles » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:45 am


Conn. Gunman Had Hundreds of Rounds of Ammunition
By Associated Press Dec. 16, 2012

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The gunman, Adam Lanza, shot himself in the head just as he heard police drawing near to the classroom where he was slaughtering helpless children, but he had more ammunition at the ready in the form of multiple, high-capacity clips each capable of holding 30 bullets.

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Gov. Dannel Malloy said the shooter decided to kill himself when he heard police closing in about 10 minutes into the attack.

“We surmise that it was during the second classroom episode that he heard responders coming and apparently at that decided to take his own life,” Malloy said on ABC’s “This Week.”

Police said they found hundreds of unused bullets at the school, which enrolled about 450 students in kindergarten through fourth grade.

“There was a lot of ammo, a lot of clips,” said state police Lt. Paul Vance. “Certainly a lot of lives were potentially saved.”

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Federal agents have concluded that Lanza visited an area shooting range, but they do not know whether he actually practiced shooting there.

Ginger Colburn, a spokeswoman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, would not identify the range or say how recently he was there.

Agents also determined that Lanza’s mother visited shooting ranges several times, but it’s still not clear whether she brought her son to the range or whether he ever fired a weapon there, Colburn said.

Investigators have offered no motive for the shooting, and police have found no letters or diaries that could shed light on it. They believe Lanza attended Sandy Hook many years ago, but they couldn’t explain why he went there Friday.

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Authorities said Lanza had no criminal history, and it was not clear whether he had a job.

At least one law enforcement official has said Lanza had been diagnosed with Asperger’s, a mild form of autism often characterized by social awkwardness.

People with the disorder are often highly intelligent. While they can become frustrated more easily, there is no evidence of a link between Asperger’s and violent behavior, experts say.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/12/16/con ... mmunition/

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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby Nordic » Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:25 am

I am disturbed by the constant use of the term "gunman". It sounds bad-ass and macho, a lone killer, too much Clint Eastwood.

Other than that I am still basically speechless.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:13 am

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Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby Laodicean » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:22 am

Is this legit?

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"Sandy Hook" shown on a map in the The Dark Knight Rises? Left side of pic.

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-the ... 46750.html
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:40 am


Guns seized, man held after Indiana school threat, police say[/size]
Police in Indiana say they found 47 guns in the home of a man who had threatened to attack an elementary school.

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Von I. Meyer, 60, was arrested in Cedar Lake, Ind. Police say they searched his home after he made threats about a nearby elementary school and found 47 guns. (Lake County Sheriff's Department / December 16, 2012)
By Wesley Lowery, Los Angeles Times
December 17, 2012
Police in Indiana said they found a stockpile of 47 guns hidden throughout the home of a man who had threatened to set fire to his wife and then walk to a nearby elementary school and "kill as many people as he could."

Von I. Meyer, 60, was arrested at his Cedar Lake home Saturday on suspicion of felony intimidation, resisting arrest and domestic battery.

Police in Cedar Lake, about 60 miles southeast of Chicago near the Illinois-Indiana state line, said they were called to the man's home after he threatened on Friday to kill his wife and open fire at Jane Ball Elementary School, located less than 1,000 feet from his home and connected by a series of trails through a wooded area.

Meyer told police he wanted to "kill as many people as he could before police could stop him," authorities said in a statement.

Authorities said they found 47 guns and ammunition with an estimated value of more than $100,000 hidden in Meyer's two-story home. Many of the guns seized during the search were considered collector's items, a statement said.

Police notified school officials, and security measures were taken at all local schools, the statement said.

The threat was made the same day that 26 people, including 20 students, were shot and killed by a gunman at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

Police identified Meyer as a member of a local motorcycle gang, the Invaders.

Meyer was being held without bail.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:50 am

Intriguingly, a new sync popped up, as mentioned in the following comment left on the Daily Mail's site:

2 Mass Shootings Connected To Libor Scandal.The father of Newtown Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza is Peter Lanza who is a VP and Tax Director at GE Financial. The father of [the alleged] Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooter James Holmes is Robert Holmes, the lead scientist for the credit score company FICO. Both men were to testify before the US Sentate in the ongoing LIBOR scandal. The dots are connecting. - Abbs, Dublin, 16/12/2012 22:15

The London Interbank Offered Rate, known as Libor, is the average interest rate at which banks can borrow from each other. Sixteen international banks have been implicated in this ongoing scandal, accused of rigging contracts worth trillions of dollars. HSBC has already been fined $1.9 billion and three of their low level traders arrested.

But is this more rumors that has been elevated to "fact"? One informant tells me that Sorcha Faal is the dispenser of Holmes' father Libor info. But Faal is allegedly a disinformation agent who makes claims about several people.


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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby justdrew » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:59 am

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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby jcivil » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:29 am

Having guns is not a panacea of freedom, it is a freedom in a land full of guns.

If there were no guns that would be nice, yet there are guns, so I want some, even if I know it is holistically negative.

When the rednecks came acting and pointed a gun at my dog I saw them off armed. Come back and we will open fire.

Your only other recourse is "call (depend on) the cops (the state)."

What to do? My mental love bolts have never stopped the lunatics.

Why are stun guns illegal? Except for the cops? Silly. Creepy.

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