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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Ben D » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:59 pm

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Dempsey-US-mission-in-Jordan-could-last-years-as-Syria-war-rages-323215

Dempsey: US mission in Jordan could last years as Syria war rages

By REUTERS 08/15/2013

AMMAN - The top US military officer told American troops in Jordan on Thursday that their mission to help the kingdom contain the fallout from Syria's war would likely last years, as the United States bolsters support for the key regional ally.

General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, addressed a group of mostly US planners who have arrived over the past several months as America expands assistance that now includes stationing F-16 fighter jets and Patriot missiles there.

Dempsey told around 100 troops at a facility on the outskirts of Amman that they would be critical in helping anticipate and "shape" events on the ground. His comments came as fears mount over how massive inflows of refugees could undermine the kingdom's stability.

"We're at our best when we can actually shape events and prevent conflict," he said, noting the efforts to coordinate humanitarian relief.

"And that's another reason why you're here, (to) help us shape - understand and shape - so that we don't end up having to react to events but rather have some influence on them from the start."

Dempsey fielded questions, including on how long the mission might last, assuming the situation on the ground did not escalate. The general replied that Jordan would need to feel fully capable of dealing not only with humanitarian crises but also any threat of attack, including from extremists.

"I think we're probably talking about several years, and therefore several rotations (of troops)," he said, speaking to a group that included Army planners from the 1st Armored Division, which Dempsey led a decade ago during the Iraq war.

"We haven't actually put an end-date on it for that very reason - because it will depend how the situation evolves in Syria ... It will also depend on how our Jordanian counterparts feel about their ability to deal with these issues themselves."

Dempsey met King Abdullah and his Jordanian counterpart on Wednesday and said he would carry a request back to Washington from Amman for manned US surveillance aircraft to help monitor the long border with Syria.

During his Middle East trip, which began in Israel on Monday, Dempsey has voiced concern about radical elements of the opposition fighting to remove Syrian President Bashar Assad. But he has expressed confidence the United States was gaining a better understanding of the moderate opposition, which Washington and its allies are looking to support.

One fear in Amman and Washington is that Islamic radicals now battling in Syria could at some point turn their sights on Jordan, particularly once the Syrian conflict ends.

"The follow-on challenge ... will be ensuring that they have a capability to defeat what will likely be a terrorist threat that will spill over at some point," Dempsey said.

"I'm not predicting that. But it's certainly a possibility - and it's one that they feel."



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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:34 pm

U.N. says chemical weapons investigators to visit Syria imminently

By Michelle Nichols
UNITED NATIONS | Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:51pm EDT
(Reuters) - U.N. experts will travel to Syria imminently to investigate claims of chemical weapons use during that country's civil war after the United Nations and the Syrian government agreed on details of the trip, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said on Wednesday.

The United Nations announced two weeks ago that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's government had agreed to let the U.N. inspectors, led by Swedish scientist Ake Sellstrom, travel to three sites where chemical weapons were reported to have been used.

Ban's press office said in a statement on Wednesday that the Syrian government had now "formally accepted the modalities essential for cooperation to ensure the proper, safe and efficient conduct of the mission."

"The departure of the team is now imminent," it said. "As agreed with the government of Syria, the team will remain in the country to conduct its activities, including on-site visits, for a period of up to 14 days, extendable upon mutual consent."

One site to be visited by the U.N. experts is Khan al-Assal in Aleppo, where the Syrian government says rebels used chemical weapons in March. The other two locations to be visited have not yet been identified.

The United Nations said it has received 13 reports of possible chemical weapons use - one from Syria's government and the rest mainly from Britain, France and the United States.

The Syrian government and the opposition have accused each other of using chemical weapons, and both have denied it.

Ban appointed Sellstrom in March to lead a U.N. inquiry into the claims, but diplomatic wrangling and concerns over safety have prevented the team of experts from entering Syria.

The U.N. inquiry will try only to establish whether chemical weapons were used, not who used them. Sellstrom's team is made up of experts from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons and the World Health Organization.

(Editing by Will Dunham)
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:14 am

Syria opposition claims hundreds dead in 'gas' attacks
Kim Hjelmgaard, USA TODAY 8:01 a.m. EDT August 21, 2013

Government forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad have carried out a "poisonous gas" attack near the capital Damascus that has left hundreds dead, Syrian opposition groups claimed Wednesday.

Anti-regime activists are saying that regime forces fired "rockets with poisonous gas heads" in the attack. The number of reported deaths has ranged from 100 to close to 800. The claims and reports could not be independently confirmed.

The Syrian government said there was no truth to the allegations "whatsoever" that chemical weapons were used.

"They are an attempt to divert the United Nations commission on chemical weapons from carrying out its mission," the state-run SANA news agency said.

UN chemical weapons inspectors are in Syria this week to investigate claims that chemical weapons have been used there by both sides in a bloody and protracted civil war.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights says the shelling was intense and hit the eastern suburbs of Zamalka, Arbeen and Ein Tarma. Rami Abdul-Rahman from the SOHR says he has documented at least 100 deaths from Wednesday's attack. He says it's not clear whether the victims died from shelling or toxic gas attacks.

The Local Coordination Committees said hundreds of people, perhaps as many as 775, were killed or injured in the shelling. Such different figures are common in the immediate aftermaths of attacks in Syria.

Videos and images that appeared to show victims with symptoms consistent with a chemical attack surfaced online Wednesday, although their veracity could not be immediately confirmed.

The Syrian government has long denied claims by the opposition on chemical weapons use, saying rebels fighting to overthrow Assad's government have used such weapons.

Wednesday's claim of the chemical attack, if confirmed, would be the most serious since the March 19 incident in Khan al-Assal when at least 30 people were killed. Assad's regime and the rebels have blamed each other for that attack.

Unrest in Syria began in March 2011 and later exploded into a civil war. More than 100,000 people have been killed in the conflict.

Britain's Foreign Secretary William Hague was among the first international leaders Wednesday to comment on the reports, saying he was "deeply concerned" by the allegations. The United Kingdom will raise the alleged attack with the U.N. Security. Council.

"It is clear that if they (the reports) are verified, it would mark a shocking escalation in the use of chemical weapons in Syria," Hague said.

He called on the Syrian government to allow immediate access to the area for the U.N. team currently in Syria.

France has asked the U.N. delegation to visit the site of the alleged attacks.

That request would seem to fulfill the U.N. requirement that a member state make a formal request before such action can occur. Syria would also need to agree to the request. It was not immediately clear whether that would happen.

Syria's ambassador to Russia dismissed the allegations, Russia's Interfax news agency reported.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby coffin_dodger » Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:48 am

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/ ... EL20130821

Activists say more than 200 killed in gas attack near Damascus

(Reuters) - Syrian activists accused President Bashar al-Assad's forces of launching a gas attack that killed more than 200 people on Wednesday, in what would, if confirmed, be by far the worst reported use of chemical arms in the two-year-old civil war.

Images, including some taken by photographers working for Reuters, showed scores of bodies including of small children, laid out on the floor of a medical clinic with no visible signs of injuries. Reuters was not independently able to verify the cause of their death.

Syrian state television denied government forces had used poison gas and said the accusations were intended to distract a team of United Nations chemical weapons experts which arrived three days ago.

Activists said rockets with chemical agents hit the Damascus suburbs of Ain Tarma, Zamalka and Jobar during fierce pre-dawn bombardment by government forces.

A nurse at Douma Emergency Collection facility, Bayan Baker, said the death toll, as collated from medical centers in the suburbs east of Damascus, was at least 213. Activists said many hundreds had been killed.

"Many of the casualties are women and children. They arrived with their pupils dilated, cold limbs and foam in their mouths. The doctors say these are typical symptoms of nerve gas victims," the nurse said.

The U.N. team is in Syria investigating allegations that both rebels and army forces used chemical weapons in the past, one of the main disputes in international diplomacy over Syria.

The Swedish scientist leading the team, Ake Sellstrom, said the reports should be looked into, but doing so would require a request from a U.N. member state.

Britain said it was deeply concerned and would raise the issue at the U.N. Security Council, adding the attacks would be "a shocking escalation" if confirmed.

Extensive amateur video and photographs appeared on the Internet. A video purportedly shot in the Kafr Batna neighborhood showed a room filled with more than 90 bodies, many of them children and a few women and elderly men. Most of the bodies appeared ashen or pale but with no visible injuries. About a dozen were wrapped in blankets.

Other footage showed doctors treating people in makeshift clinics. One video showed the bodies of a dozen people lying on the floor of a clinic, with no visible wounds. The narrator in the video said they were all members of a single family. In a corridor outside lay another five bodies.

The head of the opposition Syrian National Coalition said Assad's forces had carried out a massacre: "This is a chance for the (U.N. inspectors) to see with their own eyes this massacre and know that this regime is a criminal one," Ahmed Jarba said.

Syrian state television quoted an Information Ministry source as saying there was "no truth whatsoever" to the reports.

Syria is one of just a handful of countries that are not parties to the international treaty that bans chemical weapons, and Western nations believe it has caches of undeclared mustard gas, sarin and VX nerve agents.

Assad's officials have said they would never use poison gas - if they had it - against Syrians. The United States and European allies believe Assad's forces used small amounts of sarin gas in attacks in the past, which Washington called a "red line" that justified international military aid for the rebels.

Assad's government has responded in the past with accusations that it was the rebels that used chemical weapons, which the rebels deny. Western countries say they do not believe the rebels have access to poison gas. Assad's main global ally Moscow says accusations on both sides must be investigated.

Khaled Omar of the opposition Local Council in Ain Tarma said he saw at least 80 bodies at the Hajjah Hospital in Ain Tarma and at a makeshift clinic at Tatbiqiya School in the nearby district of Saqba.

"The attack took place at around 3:00 a.m. (8:00 p.m. EDT). Most of those killed were in their homes," Omar said.

An activist working with Ahrar al-Sham rebel unit in the Erbin district east of the capital who used the name Abu Nidal said many of those who died were rescuers who were overcome with poison when they arrived at the scene.

"We believe there was a group of initial responders who died or were wounded, because when we went in later, we saw men collapsed on staircases or inside doorways and it looks like they were trying to go in to help the wounded and then were hurt themselves," he told Reuters by Skype.

"At first none of us knew there were chemical agents because it seemed like just another night of air strikes and no one was anticipating chemical weapons use, especially with U.N. monitors in town."

SURPRISING TIMING

The timing and location of the reported chemical weapons use - just three days after the team of U.N. chemical experts checked in to a Damascus hotel a few km (miles) to the east at the start of their mission - was surprising.

"It would be very peculiar if it was the government to do this at the exact moment the international inspectors come into the country," said Rolf Ekeus, a retired Swedish diplomat who headed a team of UN weapons inspectors in Iraq in the 1990s.

"At the least, it wouldn't be very clever."

Ekeus said the mandate of the U.N. team was limited to three sites but could be amended to investigate fresh claims - which would be simpler to verify than the other months-old cases.

"It is easier to do sampling and testing, and also to look at the victims, if there are sick people or even dead people (on the scene). It is easier to get to doctors and get to the place where the event happened."

Charles Lister, an analyst at IHS Jane's Terrorism and Insurgency Centre, also said it made little sense for the Syrian government to use chemical agents now.


"Nonetheless, the Ghouta region (where the attacks were reported) is well known for its opposition leanings. Jabhat al-Nusra has had a long-time presence there and the region has borne the brunt of sustained military pressure for months now," he said, referring to a hardline Sunni Islamist rebel group allied to al Qaeda.

"While it is clearly impossible to confirm the chemical weapons claim, it is clear from videos uploaded by reliable accounts that a large number of people have died."

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a Britain-based monitoring group, said dozens of people were killed, including children, in fierce bombardment. It said Mouadamiya, southwest of the capital, came under the heaviest attack since the start of the two-year conflict.

The Observatory called on the U.N. experts and international organizations to visit the affected areas to ensure aid could be delivered and to "launch an investigation to determine who was responsible for the bombardment and hold them to account".

(Additional reporting by Erika Solomon in Beirut and Anthony Deutsch in Amsterdam, Niklas Pollard in Stockholm; Editing by Peter Graff)



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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby coffin_dodger » Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:13 am

Well, I've endured watching the unfolding BBC coverage of the chemical weapon attack near Damascus - plenty of 'experts' who I've never heard of spouting the prefered line - it was Assad that dunnit! - I suspect that the attack was actually aimed at the UN inspectors who are staying nearby, literally within walking distance from the affected area - but of course, saboteurs can be so fucking incompetent. There's been video of some old guy standing in front of a Syrian flag decrying the rest of the world (or is that supposedly provoking us?) at our lack of action in removing Assad. The BBC worldview is so fucking skewed, I find it barely tolerable to watch any more. Actually, I watch it to understand the enemy within and the way it's mind works. The coverage of events in Egypt has also been completely at odds with what Alice has said is going on there.

It struck me today that we are potentially allowing ourselves to be led in the direction of genocide once again. I have a strong sense of dread that the ultimate aim of these actions is, at least, the complete 'pacification', if not eradication of the Arab race in the Middle East. Depleted uranium in Iraq was just the start. Similar events have happened too many times before throughout history to deny it as a possibility.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby slimmouse » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:48 pm

Its not long ago now, that the BBC deliberately removed the Syrian suicide bomber video. That should have told the collective consciousness a lot about the nature of their material.

I mean this stuff is so preposterous, that with the greatest respect to those who have, Im afraid only an idiot would fall for this fukn BS.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:09 am

slimmouse » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:48 pm wrote:Its not long ago now, that the BBC deliberately removed the Syrian suicide bomber video. That should have told the collective consciousness a lot about the nature of their material.

I mean this stuff is so preposterous, that with the greatest respect to those who have, Im afraid only an idiot would fall for this fukn BS.



The end of the world is starting in Damascus
Those who underestimate the inherent danger of the Huns bear direct responsibility for the deaths of today’s victims, the Syrians, and tomorrow’s victims, the Israelis, Europeans and Americans.

Can this really be happening? In the 21st century? Only a few hundred kilometers from where I’m sitting writing this piece? Can it be that only hours ago a tyrant used chemical weapons against his own people who were rebelling in the capital’s suburbs against his tyranny? Can it be that during this gorgeous summer, Arab women and children are being gassed to death by an Arab dictator?

The eye refuses to believe the pictures the iPad is transmitting. The mind cannot grasp the reports the iPhone is delivering. After the taboos of using artillery, helicopters and missiles on civilians have been broken, the taboo of using unconventional weapons has apparently been shattered as well. According to news reports, not far from us, in the same Damascus with which we sought to make peace, Arabs are murdering Arabs with chemical weapons.

True, more than 100,000 people have already been slaughtered in Syria. For two years our northern neighbor has been bleeding in a way that the Israelis and Palestinians haven’t bled in a hundred years of conflict. And there has already been a chemical weapons incident that the world didn’t really want to acknowledge.

But now it’s highly probable that a horrifying and unprecedented attack took place east of Damascus. If this is the case, Syrian President Bashar Assad and the Arab Spring have crossed the black line. The glorious Arab uprising that the West enthusiastically supported has become an apocalyptic event.

No decent person can ignore what’s happening. What is supposed to be an enlightened world cannot remain silent. Each day, the Syrian civil war is taking on the chilling connotations of the Spanish Civil War. It heralds the end of an era and delineates the coming era.

It’s not only innocent victims being buried in Damascus, but the concept of enlightened Arab nationalism and the hope that the West has a conscience. Women and children who were apparently gassed to death are being buried in Damascus, along with the ideal of an international community and the illusion of international law.

If civilians can be gassed to death in 2013, we face the end of the world. It’s the end of the world that purports to be moral and enlightened. It’s the end of the world that sought to establish a reasonable international order of which the Middle East would be part.

Many in the West and Israel despise Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. But what’s happening in Syria proves the validity of Netanyahu’s warning that the greatest danger to world peace in the 21st century is the combination of unconventional weapons and unconventional regimes. Lunatics really are insane. Barbarians are really barbaric. Huns will be Huns.

Those who act mercifully toward Huns bear direct responsibility for the fact that nuclear weapons are being built in Iran, chemical weapons are being used in Syria and doomsday weapons threaten the future of the Middle East. Those who underestimate the inherent danger of the Huns bear direct responsibility for the deaths of today’s victims, the Syrians, and tomorrow’s victims, the Israelis, Europeans and Americans.

It’s time to break free of the moral relativism, multicultural hypocrisy and political correctness that prevent us from seeing our evil neighborhood as it really is. A terrible warning siren is being sounded in Damascus. Do we hear it? Does the world hear it?

Syria conflict: chemical weapons blamed as hundreds reported killed

Death toll claimed to be as high as 1,400 as Syrian government admits launching offensive but denies using chemical weapons

Martin Chulov, Mona Mahmood and Ian Sample
The Guardian, Wednesday 21 August 2013

Warning: contains graphic content

Link to video: Syria: footage shows horrific aftermath of alleged gas attack

Hundreds of people are believed to have been killed in an apparent gas attack on rebel-held parts of eastern Damascus that is thought to be the most significant use of chemical weapons since thousands of Kurds were gassed by Saddam Hussein in Halabja 25 years ago.

Medics, as well as opposition fighters and political leaders, said the death toll had reached 1,400 and was likely to rise further with hundreds more critically wounded in districts besieged by the Syrian military. Other estimates put the current death toll at between 200 and 500. None of the figures could be independently verified.

The Syrian government acknowledged it had launched a major offensive in rebel-held districts in the east of the capital – described by pro-regime media as the biggest since the start of the civil war – but strongly denied using chemical weapons.

"These are lies that serve the propaganda of the terrorists," a Syrian official said, referring to the armed opposition. "We would not use such weapons."

However, George Sabra, the head of the main Syrian opposition group, laid the blame squarely at the Assad regime, saying the scenes "constitute a turning point in the regime's operations".

"This time it was for annihilation, rather than terror," he said.
Syria gas attack Location of Wednesday's attack. Credit: Guardian graphics

International reaction intensified throughout the day. The UN security council called an emergency session and the White House formally requested the UN to investigate the attack. William Hague, the foreign secretary, said the UK was "deeply concerned".

The UN secretary-general Ban Ki-moon called for "a thorough, impartial and prompt investigation" of allegations of chemical weapons use.

UN deputy spokesman Eduardo del Buey said earlier that the secretary-general was "shocked" at the alleged use of chemical weapons and is determined to ensure a "thorough investigation" of all reported incidents.

After a two-hour, closed-door meeting, the council president said there was "strong concern" about the allegations "and a general sense that there must be clarity on what happened."

A UN inspection team arrived in Damascus this week to look into earlier claims of chemical weapon use, but was granted permission to enter Syria with a limited mission to investigate only three specific sites. An expanded mandate to investigate Wednesday's attack in eastern Ghouta – only 10 miles from the team's hotel – must be sought by the UN secretary general and then approved by Syria.

The US moved quickly to make the request. The White House said: "For the UN's efforts to be credible they must have immediate access to witnesses and affected individuals, and have the ability to examine and collect physical evidence without any interference or manipulation from the Syrian government. If the Syrian government has nothing to hide and is truly committed to an impartial and credible investigation of chemical weapons use in Syria, it will facilitate the UN team's immediate and unfettered access to this site."

Rescuers and victims said the shelling of eastern Ghouta started shortly after 2am and targeted three districts, Ein Tarma, Zermalka and Jobar, all rebel strongholds for the past year.

"It was around 2.30am Wednesday when we received calls from Zemalka and Jobar," said a Free Syria Army (FSA) officer, Captain Alla'a al-Basha, who has documented previous alleged chemical attacks in the area.

"The FSA members were asking for more forces to evacuate the civilians as the shells were coming in at around five per minute. As soon as I and my team arrived at the scene, I saw bodies scattered in the streets. I saw whole houses – none of their residents were alive. When I got there, I could smell what seemed to be burning sulphur and something like cooked eggs. The smoke was not pure white.

"Most of the victims were shivering and they turned yellow. I saw a woman who was tearing at her clothes as she could not breathe. The number of the casualties that we were able to document so far is 1,228 martyrs. The doctors think that more than 20 shells were fired with fatal gases.

"Most of the victims did not appear to be injured but died out of suffocation. I held a young boy whose body was like a piece of wood and his colour was very blue. He did not have any wound."

By Wednesday night, more than 120 videos had been uploaded to the internet, most depicting scenes of men women and children in respiratory distress, on watery floors, and doctors describing the victims' symptoms. Other videos showed scores of bodies wrapped in white shrouds, or lying on grey concrete. White foam was bubbling from the mouth and nostrils of many victims. Some writhed in distress, apparently struggling to breathe.

Doctors at makeshift clinics said they were working without oxygen and had been overrun by the number of victims, many of whom needed lifesaving treatment that they could not provide.

Treatment of victims appeared rudimentary, with water and vinegar among the means of trying to dilute the effects. "We know when we have an area targeted by fatal gases we would take plastic masks and put wet cloths on our noses and mouths," said Basha. "But most of the civilians do not know that they have to do that."

Sergeant Abu Ali, who runs a field hospital in the Nashabiya area of eastern Damascus, said he had received patients who were vomiting and had high temperatures, breathing problems, limb stiffness and were in comas. "We received 60 cases. Most of them were sent to the nearby farms after their situation was stabilised and those with acute symptoms were kept here. I have very few medicines and all the oxygen tubes I have had run out now. People need intensive care."

One witness told Reuters: "We would go into a house and everything was in its place, every person was in their place. They were lying where they had been. They looked like they were asleep. But they were dead."

Ralf Trapp, a consultant on chemical and biological weapons, said getting access to the scenes of the attacks was paramount for inspectors. "The logical thing to do would be to go in and start interviewing doctors and getting blood and urine samples.

"This is the ideal moment to collect samples because it is so shortly after the attack. They may get intact agent – in the first day or so you would still find intact sarin, for example.

"Within a few days, you would find degradation products. If you link those to clinical examinations and testimony, you can build up a very precise picture of what happened.

"They need to try to get to the site where it happened, talk to people who were on the spot when it happened, to victims and observers, to create as complete a picture of the actual attack. They want to discriminate against other types of weapons that might cause similar effects or release something by chance."

Charles Duelfer, a former US chief weapons inspector, said: "[Video] reports of doctors treating these people, that's real data." Duelfer said the scale of the attack could probably be proved by the intelligence community. "It will be pretty clear pretty quickly because various countries' intelligence apparatus will have noticed something on this scale, whether it's artillery, rockets, or shells. These are knowable things."The White House is going to be hard pressed to construct an answer to this one. It was easy to waffle a bit so long as alleged use was minor and didn't happen again, but this is really putting the administration in a corner.""



Suffering in Syria is clear, but cause and culprits are murky
By Tim Lister, CNN
updated 8:37 PM EDT, Wed August 21, 2013
Syrian rebels claim pro-government forces used chemical weapons to kill citizens outside Damascus on Wednesday, August 21. People inspect bodies in this photo released by the Syrian opposition Shaam News Network. Tensions in Syria began to flare in March 2011 and have escalated into an ongoing civil war. Click through to view the most compelling images taken since the start of the conflict. Syrian rebels claim pro-government forces used chemical weapons to kill citizens outside Damascus on Wednesday, August 21. People inspect bodies in this photo released by the Syrian opposition Shaam News Network. Tensions in Syria began to flare in March 2011 and have escalated into an ongoing civil war. Click through to view the most compelling images taken since the start of the conflict.

Videos of suffering and dying Syrians suggest a chemical attack, but verification is difficult
Bashar al-Assad's government, rebels trade accusations, denials about event on Wednesday
Outside experts are unsure if there was a chemical attack, and if so, what agent was used

(CNN) -- The videos and photographs are numbered in the dozens, every one of them telling a fragment of a terrible story: toddlers breathing their last gasp, the bodies of children laid out in rows and covered in blocks of ice, their faces pale and expressionless.

Elsewhere, dozens of white shrouds appear to hold the corpses of adults, the names of the victims written hurriedly on the cloth.

There was some sort of ghastly event in the suburbs of Damascus early on Wednesday: the sheer volume of material uploaded within a short time span and the consistent testimony of medical staff attest to that.

But there are as many questions as answers. The victims showed no sign of injury; there was none of the bloodshed associated with artillery attacks, no wounded, dust-covered people being dug from buildings reduced to ruins.

It was impossible to know how many had died and exactly where or why. By the end of the day, the Local Coordination Committees were reporting that more than 1,300 people had been killed in areas around Damascus, some 400 in the neighborhood of Zamalka alone.

Even by the standards of Syria's remorseless conflict, that would represent a catastrophic day. But there was no way to verify such figures: mass burials began within hours, and of course, there was no access to the area for independent observers.

Mistrust between U.S., Syrian rebels hinders military aid

Accusations fly

Opposition activists almost immediately alleged President Bashar al-Assad's regime had used chemical weapons against districts long controlled by rebel groups. It is not the first such allegation; some activists were soon claiming the regime had used sarin, a nerve agent that it is widely thought to possess. Residents spoke of dizziness and choking, convulsions and difficulty breathing, which would be consistent with the symptoms of sarin poisoning. But some victims appeared to have died in their sleep, undisturbed, according to local reports.

The Syrian government dismissed the claims of chemical weapons being used as "disillusioned and fabricated."

Some opposition activists say the toxin used may have been "Agent 15," also known as BZ. Its full name is 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, and it affects both the peripheral and central nervous systems.

The opposition claimed that BZ was used in tank shells fired in the city of Homs last December. A doctor in the city told the online publication "The Cable" soon after that the victims "all had miosis -- pinpoint pupils. They also had generalized muscle pain. There were also bad symptoms as far as their central nervous system. There were generalized seizures, and some patients had partial seizures."

Physicians for Human Rights, a non-governmental organization, says that BZ induces a "severely altered mental status (hallucinations, giddiness, confusion); lack of secretions -- dry mucous membranes, dry mouth, eyes, skin; dilated pupils, blurred vision, nausea, vomiting."

But the reports from Homs, like so many of the allegations to emerge from Syria, were never confirmed. The next month, the U.S. State Department said it had "found no credible evidence to corroborate or to confirm that chemical weapons were used" in Homs. Some experts doubt the Assad regime possesses BZ.

Perhaps more significant is an account from the spring of this year, when Jean-Philippe Remy from the French newspaper Le Monde spent weeks in and around Jobar, the opposition-held district on the edge of Damascus that saw many of the casualties early Wednesday.

"No odor, no smoke, not even a whistle to indicate the release of a toxic gas," he reported "And then the symptoms appear. The men cough violently. Their eyes burn, their pupils shrink, their vision blurs. Soon they experience difficulty breathing, sometimes in the extreme; they begin to vomit or lose consciousness."

"The people who arrive have trouble breathing," a doctor told Le Monde. "They've lost their hearing, they cannot speak, their respiratory muscles have been inert. If we don't give them immediate emergency treatment, death ensues."

"In Jobar, the fighters did not desert their positions, but those who stayed on the front lines -- with constricted pupils and wheezing breath," Remy reported.

Syrian refugees stream into Iraq

Outsiders unsure of the cause

Independent experts who studied Wednesday's videos were unsure of the cause.

Gwyn Winfield, editorial director at the magazine CBRNe World -- which reports on chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or explosives use -- analyzed the videos and wrote on the magazine's site: "Clearly respiratory distress, some nerve spasms and a half-hearted washdown (involving water and bare hands?), but it could equally be a riot control agent as a (chemical warfare agent)."

The allegations that some sort of chemical weapons were used came amid an ongoing government assault on rebel-held areas around Damascus - such as Douma and Mouadamiya - with artillery and air strikes further complicating the picture. The Syrian military's goal is to push the rebels back, thereby reducing mortar attacks on the heart of the capital. That offensive continued Wednesday, according to opposition activists in Jobar and Ghouta.

Some analysts speculated that a stockpile of chemical agents may have been hit by shelling, whether controlled by the rebels or the regime. But that would not explain the number of neighborhoods -- some several miles apart -- where the same symptoms were reported among victims.

U.N. chemical weapons inspectors in Damascus

There is also the question of motive and timing, if regime forces were responsible. Just a few miles from those terrible scenes, a team of United Nations chemical weapons inspectors -- led by a well-qualified Swede -- were asleep at their hotel.

Russia -- an ally of the Assad regime -- made that point immediately. A Foreign Ministry statement from Moscow noted that "the criminal act was committed near Damascus at the very moment when a mission of U.N. experts had successfully started their work of investigating allegations of the possible use of chemical weapons there."

But the terms of the inspectors' visit are tightly prescribed; they are only permitted to visit three sites where chemical weapons are alleged to have been used in the past.

Government forces did not appear to be in imminent danger of being overrun by rebel factions in the areas concerned; in fact, many observers believe a bloody stalemate has set in around Damascus. And regime forces have also made gains recently against rebels around Homs and elsewhere. Why would it risk an action that would likely kill hundreds in a heavily-populated area and risk stirring up an international appetite for intervention?

Would it also have risked using an agent as lethal as sarin just a few kilometers from the heart of Damascus -- to both the southwest and northeast of the city -- on what appears to have been a quite windy night?

The European Union believes the Syrian government was the most likely culprit.

"We have seen with grave concern the reports of the possible use of chemical weapons by the Syrian regime, said the EU's Foreign Policy chief, Catherine Ashton."Such accusations should be immediately and thoroughly investigated."

The White House made a very similar statement.

In a familiar ritual, Russia quickly pointed the finger at rebel forces, alleging that "a homemade rocket, analogous to that which was used by terrorists on the 19th of March in Khan al-Asal, containing a so-far-undefined poisonous substance, was launched from positions held by the fighters" early on Wednesday morning. The incident in Khan al-Asal, near Aleppo, was reported to have left 19 people dead.

Some observers also point to claims on jihadist websites that rebels have seized chemical weapons equipment after overrunning government bases such as one outside Aleppo in July 2012.

Supporters of the Assad government claim that Wednesday's reports are very convenient for the opposition as it tries to spur the international community to action just as events in Egypt have claimed the front pages.

Little hope for change

George Sabra, president of the Syrian National Council, an umbrella group of Assad opponents, said in Istanbul: "It's not the first time in which the regime used chemical weapons ... but it presents a move by the regime, because they are doing it with impunity....The United Nations will be puzzled, and the U.S. will announce more red lines, and will leave it in the air."

Given the stated positions of the great powers, an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council seems unlikely to prompt decisive international action. Perhaps the world will never know whether the events of August 21, 2013, around Damascus amounted to the most widespread use of chemical agents since Saddam Hussein's bombardment of the Kurdish town of Halabja 25 years before.



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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby parel » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:43 am

Exclusive-Photo- Al Jazzera, Reuter published the news of massacre in East Ghouta, Damascus one day before the massacre happened.

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Al Jazzera, Reuter published the news of massacre in East Ghouta, Damascus one day before the massacre happened. Tens of videos were uploaded one day before the massacre. All these evidences show that the terrorists massacred people then recorded the scenes to deceive people of the world, but they were SO FAST and they gave themselves up.

These evidences show the massacre by terrorists in Syria and their struggle for making people to believe that Syrian Regime behind the massacre. You will see that the terrorists uploaded videos before the massacre(their so-called allegation of the time when Syrian Army attacked with chemical weapons).

The news of so- called chemical wepaon attack by Syrian Regime was published by Al- Jazzera (http://blogs.aljazeera.com/topic/syria/ ... vists-said) at 09: 28. Another pro- Syrian terrorists site:”Baath Regime used chemical weapons in East Ghouta, Damascus, Jobar, Ain Tarma, Zamalka, Western Ghouta, Muaddamiyah around 03: 30 am. The source said that the death toll may rise because the lack of equipments and medical sources… At the same time one of the well know pro-Syrian terrorists youtube account ‘SHAMSNN’ uploaded tens videos quickly between 03: 00 and 04: 00. MOST IMPORTANT evidence is that the uploading time is 20 August !!!BUT THEY ACCUSED SYRIAN REGIME FOR ATTACK ON 21 AUGUST!!!

Even if we regard the chemical attack as the 03: 30, it is impossible to take the film of the scene and uploading those tens of videos… this shows that terrorists prepared, organized all of the scenes beforehand then accused Syrian regime for a massacre that terrorists did. the more those terrorists come to an end the more they become brutal. They even do not have any mercy for the children and used them just to deceive people of the world. They gathered all civilians, children, women to certain areas and then kill them brutally then accuse Syrian Regime in order to legalize their brutality.

Terrorists in syria uploaded(20. 08. 2013) the video of their crimes in East Ghouta, Damascus and then blamed Syrian Govern for the attack at early time of 21. 08. 2013. If the crime had been made on 21. 08. 2013 then HOW did they upload the video on youtube page a day before the crime?
You can watch the video from here: http://youtu.be/cO8_eZcZkNE
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Postby slimmouse » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:01 pm

Having not followed this thread intimately, I apologise if this video has been posted earlier, although its certainly worthy of a re-run in the light of the latest accusations out of the empire.; It also gives offers a highly useful insight into methodology of false flag orchestration by the control system.

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Postby slimmouse » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:17 pm

Heres another nice tidbit from James Corbett appearing on Jack Bloods show, Well worth listening to and seriously chewing on.




Edited to add that these are the same rebels that Egypts Mr Morsi was intending to assist in Syria, along with the host of usual Western suspects who have been funding this all along. Not even fukn covertly.
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Postby justdrew » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:14 pm

so does this mean the 'rebels' have chemical weapons? Or was some trick used to murder all these people making it look like this?

It seems to me Phosgene could have been used. Which probably isn't too hard for these fairly well connected 'rebels' to get their hands on. Rather than something more complicated like BZ (which I find absurd) or Sarin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene

I'm forced to remember and reconsider the allegations of "casualty faking" in the Bosnia conflicts. Though I have no doubt some mass killing was committed by the Serbians and they're not "good guys" in any way shape or form. Sometimes both sides are bad.
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Postby parel » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:45 pm

Information Minister: Syria has evidence on chemical weapons use by terrorists

Aug 21, 2013


Damascus, (SANA) – Minister of Information, Omran al-Zoubi, stressed that the events on the ground in Syria prove that Syria cannot be fragmented and the Syrian Arab Army is fighting the armed terrorist groups in some areas to prevent such attempts.

In an interview with China Arab Times Newspaper, al-Zoubi explained that the theory of western military intervention is doomed to failure because of the capabilities of the Syrian Arab Army and international support by Syria's friends, including Russia, China and Iran.

He added that Syria is engaged in a war against the armed terrorist groups which came from 83 states, including all Arab states except for Djibouti, pointing out that about 36 to 48 thousand gunmen are estimated to be in Aleppo and Damascus countryside and 80% of them are not Syrians.

The information Minister said that if the Arab Gulf states wanted to launch military intervention in Syria, it would be under U.S. supervision, adding that in case such a step was taken by the Gulf states, there will be no Gulf states afterwards.

Concerning the international conference on Syria, al-Zoubi pointed out that the Geneva conference is meant to achieve a political solution and the idea of this conference was proposed by the Syrian leadership since the beginning of the crisis, but the opposition and the armed terrorist groups did not believe in the political solution.

Al-Zoubi said that the Americans started supporting the political solution through Geneva conference because eventually they became aware about the impossibility of the fall of Syria, noting that the Americans are still procrastinating the political solution as they hope that the armed groups would make any progress on the ground.

The Information Minister clarified that the conference would help find a political solution to the crisis in Syria if it was held with no preconditions and the support to the terrorists was stopped.

He added that Syria will take part in the conference through a government delegation and this participation is based on the agreement between the Russians and the Americans.

As for the international investigation committee on the use of weapons of mass destruction in some areas in Syria, al-Zoubi stressed that it is Syria that invited the UN to investigate the use of chemical weapons in Khan al-Assal area in Aleppo and the committee will be investigating in three sites, including Khan al-Assal, and it will finish work in two weeks.

He added that Syria has clear-cut evidence on the use of chemical weapons by the armed terrorist groups through eyewitnesses and soil and air samples, stressing that the Syrian state did not and will not use these weapons –in case they exist- under any circumstances.

Concerning the displaced Syrians, the Information Minister pointed out that the Syrian state is offering assistance to the displaced at the temporary residential centers, noting that President Bashar al-Assad proposed an initiative on January 6th that calls on people to come back to their homes.

The Minister pointed out that Syria is working to bolster ties with China in all fields, stressing that China will have essential role in Syria's reconstruction process.
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Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:51 am

Found this from 2012 on an older thread:

Syrian rebels tried to get reporter killed in anti-Assad propaganda bid – report


http://rt.com/news/syria-journalist-rebel-trap-436/

I guess it highlights how difficult it can be to 'get to the truth' for outside correspondants/observers when everything is smoke and mirrors and your life may depend on the sincerity of people you have no history with.
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Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:59 pm

William Hague believes Assad behind chemical attack - Aug 23rd 2013

UK Foreign Secretary William Hague says he believes President Assad was behind a chemical attack in Syria.

"I know that some people in the world would like to say that this is some kind of conspiracy brought about by the opposition in Syria," said Mr Hague.

"I think the chances of that are vanishingly small and so we do believe that this is a chemical attack by the Assad regime."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23812398


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