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simulist wrote:We're really "not supposed to" be fascinated with decay or death, are we? Nor are we "supposed to" find it beautiful. (Personally, I am repulsed by both — but I need to question this knee-jerk tendency a bit, I think.) After all, death and decay are an integral part of life — and if we could embrace at least some component of the experience of both, rather than simply averting our attention whenever we face them, then we might more fully embrace the Whole of life.
Simulist wrote:You make me think, Mr. Panhandler. This is a fascinating topic for me, not just because of the pictures and not just because of our fascination with them — but also because of what we're "not supposed to" feel.
We're really "not supposed to" be fascinated with decay or death, are we? Nor are we "supposed to" find it beautiful. (Personally, I am repulsed by both — but I need to question this knee-jerk tendency a bit, I think.) After all, death and decay are an integral part of life — and if we could embrace at least some component of the experience of both, rather than simply averting our attention whenever we face them, then we might more fully embrace the Whole of life.
Wombaticus Rex wrote:I think it deeply compels us because we know we live in a galaxy full of ruins.
Abandoned NSA Listening Station on Devil’s Mountain, Berlin
Once upon a time, or during the Cold War, the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) built a man-made mountain of rubble over the top of an underground Nazi technical college in Berlin. This massive hill was called Devil’s Mountain, or Teufelsberg in German. It was on Devil’s Mountain where the NSA built one of the largest and highly classified Listening Stations in the world to eavesdrop and spy, intercepting Soviet, East German and other countries’ communications. This NSA Listening Station of Radar Domes on “The Hill,” was rumored to be a part of the global ECHELON intelligence gathering network. Other rumors include tunnels beneath the spy complex and yet others suggesting that by 1954, 1,200 calls could be recorded simultaneously, filling up more than 50,000 reel tapes, so that hundreds of tape recorders were installed, the better to hear and record you with my dears. The station continued to operate until the fall of East Germany and the Berlin Wall. Yet after the station was closed, abandoned, and the equipment removed, the derelict buildings and radar domes still remained. This was too much temptation to urban explorers, especially since the elevation of Teufelsberg is 377 feet, and the former NSA Listening Station is over 262 feet high, offering the best views overlooking Berlin. Here’s a urban exploration look at Devil’s Mountain; the once highly classified, now highly vandalized NSA radar domes at Teufelsberg. On this trail of spies during this armchair tour of abandoned NSA listening station in Berlin, remember a little intelligence motto: In God we trust; all others we monitor.
Many more photos at link:
http://www.lovethesepics.com/2011/08/ab ... in-berlin/
wikipedia wrote:Its origin does not in itself make Teufelsberg unique, as there are many similar man-made rubble mounds in Germany (see Schuttberg) and other war-torn cities of Europe. The curiousness begins with what is buried underneath the hill: the never completed Nazi military-technical college (Wehrtechnische Fakultät) designed by Albert Speer. The Allies tried using explosives to demolish the school, but it was so sturdy that covering it with debris turned out to be easier. In June 1950 the West Berlin Magistrate decided to open a new rubble deposal on that site.[1] The deposal was planned for 12,000,000 m3 (16,000,000 cu yd).[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teufelsberg
Prora is a beach resort on the island of Rügen, Germany, known especially for its colossal Nazi-planned tourist structures. The massive building complex was built between 1936 and 1939 as a Strength Through Joy (Kraft durch Freude or KdF) project. The eight buildings are identical, and although they were planned as a holiday resort, they were never used for this purpose. The complex has a formal heritage listing as a particularly striking example of Third Reich architecture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prora
While on a spring vacation in the north-east of Germany the “Colossus of Rügen” in Prora was a given stop. The calmness of the pre-season seaside fit well with the quiet massiveness of the almost endless housing blocks. It was a great day.
The Prora KdF was intended as a seaside resort for up to 20,000 people – mainly workers and their families – by the organisation “Kraft durch Freude”. The many kilometres long buildings lining the water of the Prorer Wiek were constructed between 1936 and 1939 but was never finished.
Photos are from March 2008.
http://www.aska.nu/prora_kdf.asp
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'Prora was the beginning of mass tourism’
Ley was upset by the end of his dream and became more deranged. Convinced that he could use his background as a chemist to prove that there was a decomposing enzyme in the blood of Jews, he proposed that he should conduct research to confirm his bizarre claim. This proved too much for even the fanatical SS, who had him sidelined for the rest of the war. When hostilities ended, he was arrested by the Americans and, soon after, hanged himself with a toilet chain in his Nuremberg cell....
Yet, says Dr Stommer, Prora has had an influence that reaches far beyond brick and mortar. "It was the beginning of mass tourism on a new, as yet unheard of level." Even though the Nazi dream died and Prora itself stands crumbling, its legacy lives on. The concept of holidays catering for large numbers of ordinary people began with the Strength Through Joy movement, and can be seen in more benign form today in holiday camps and cheap, 'all-in' package holidays.
http://www.johndclare.net/Nazi_Germany3_Prora.htm
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The artist's conception on the left shows one planned configuration; the architectural model on the right shows the final planned state, as designed by architect Clemens Klotz. These views highlight the ten Community Buildings (Gemeinschaftshäuser) that separated the housing blocks and jutted out onto the beach. (left - artist's concept from 1938, right - architectural model from "Bauten der Bewegung," Vol. 1, 1938)
http://www.thirdreichruins.com/prora.htm
Memories From An Insane Asylum: Stories From Rockland County Psychiatric Center
Two years ago, I wrote a post about Rockland County Psychiatric Center, an abandoned insane asylum complex that is easily one of the most haunting places I’ve ever scouted.
To my amazement, more than 250 comments have since been left by former patients, doctors and nurses, and residents who lived in the area when Rockland Psych was in operation. Some of the memories shared are as heart-breaking as you’d expect; others are uplifting, funny, nostalgic, and even inspirational.
I wanted to share a selection of these with you, to allow those who knew Rockland Psych firsthand to tell its story.I worked at RPC from 1970-1991 as a psychologist, in many of those buildings…I rescued a patient who had just hanged herself in one of those windows, and a year later I discovered (too late) that same patient in the act of strangling to death another patient. During the years I worked there, an employee, working alone at night in a building for more functional patients, was stabbed to death by one of her patients. Too many patients were beyond my capacity to help, but I found gratification in helping those who under more fortunate circumstances would have been dear friends.I grew up in N.J.just over the Rockland County line. My first memory of Rockland State was of hearing my parents talking about a “lunatic” who had just escaped from the hospital. I didn’t know what a lunatic was at 6 or 7 years old, but I could tell by the way they acted that I should be scared. My mother eventually used that fear to keep me in line by saying “you better be good or the lunatic will get you.”It was a city unto itself, even with it’s own fire and police department. It was a difficult time in the treatment of psychiatric illnesses. Some of the treatments were very harsh and I cringe remembering being a part of them. Thorazine and Stelazine were just introduced. Many patients received insulin shock. I know there were many patients institutionalized who didn’t belong there, but then there were patients who were so sick that I couldn’t imagine how they could live without some sort of protection that Rockland did offer.
http://www.scoutingny.com/?p=6520
Inside 'Billionaires Row': London's rotting, derelict mansions worth £350m
The North London street where billionaires can buy homes, never live in them, let them rot and still make millions
Robert Booth
The Guardian, Friday 31 January 2014 18.15 GMT
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/31/inside-london-billionaires-row-derelict-mansions-hampstead
A third of the mansions on the most expensive stretch of London's "Billionaires Row" are standing empty, including several huge houses that have fallen into ruin after standing almost completely vacant for a quarter of a century.
A Guardian investigation has revealed there are an estimated £350m worth of vacant properties on the most prestigious stretch of The Bishops Avenue in north London, which last year was ranked as the second most expensive street in Britain.
The Georgians on The Bishops Avenue. Photograph: Graeme Robertson
One property owner, the developer Anil Varma, has complained that the address has become "one of the most expensive wastelands in the world". At least 120 bedrooms are empty in the vacant properties.
The empty buildings include a row of 10 mansions worth £73m which have stood largely unused since they were bought between 1989 and 1993, it is believed on behalf of members of the Saudi royal family.
Exclusive access to now derelict properties has revealed that their condition is so poor in some cases that water streams down ballroom walls, ferns grow out of floors strewn with rubble from collapsed ceilings, and pigeon and owl skeletons lie scattered across rotting carpets.
The Towers on The Bishops Avenue. Photograph: Graeme Robertson
Yet, despite the properties falling into serious disrepair, it is likely that the Saudi owners of the portfolio made a significant profit from the £73m sale. The records available show that one of the mansions was worth only £1.125m in 1988.
The avenue, close to exclusive Highgate and Hampstead, is home to Richard Desmond, owner of Express Newspapers and Channel 5, members of the Saudi royal family, and Poju Zabludowicz, a billionaire art collector and philanthropist.
Homes are on the market for up to £65m but there are also 16 unoccupied mansions. More still are only used by their owners for short periods each year. Most of the properties in the most expensive part of the avenue are registered to companies in tax havens including the British Virgin Islands, Curaçao, the Bahamas, Panama, and the Channel Islands, allowing international owners to avoid paying stamp duty on the purchase and to remain anonymous.
The property known as Redcroft. Photograph: Graeme Robertson
The revelations come at the same time as a growing political row over how empty properties can help solve a national housing shortage growing by more than 100,000 homes a year.
Boris Johnson has defied Downing Street to call for taxes to be cranked up on owners of vacant properties. He told City investors this month: "London homes aren't ... just blocks of bullion in the sky." He called for owners to live in their homes or rent them out. But the government has resisted attempts by councils, backed by the mayor, to multiply council tax rates on homes left empty for two years.
The proportion of empty properties on the most prestigious stretch of The Bishops Avenue is 10 times higher than for the rest of England, which has 710,000 empty homes.
"This illustrates everything that is wrong with the London housing market," said David Ireland, chief executive of the Homes from Empty Homes campaign group. "The high values are being used as an extreme investment vehicle at the expense of homes being homes.
"London's shortage of homes is so great that this feels immoral and dysfuctional. There are countless people in inadequate housing and here are homes on The Bishops Avenue that could be used."
Unoccupied properties include a mansion seized following a high court judgment against a Kazakh businessman accused of a $6bn (£4.5bn) banking fraud and the repossessed home of the former Pakistani minister of privatisation, Waqar Ahmed Khan, where the windows have been sealed up with metal grilles.
Other houses show signs of limited habitation. The roof of one £10m home, registered in the name of a Saudi princess, is overgrown with plants and the signs on the ramshackle gates state it is under "24-hour manned guard".
"Not many true local residents live on the road," said Anil Varma, a property developer who is helping redevelop the former Saudi properties. "It is the likes of the royal families of Saudi Arabia and Brunei. They buy a property and don't do anything with it. No one has lived in some of these homes for 25 years and they are decaying. When we did the searches on some of them the water authorities said they had no records of any water being used."
The Georgians on The Bishops Avenue Photograph: Graeme Robertson
One resident of the avenue, Magdy Adib Ishak-Hannah, an Egypt-born doctor, said he had never met his neighbours and believed as few as three of the properties were occupied full-time.
Another resident from Iran, who asked not to be named, said: "95% of the people who live here don't actually live here. It is a terrible place to live really. It is very boring and the road is very busy. I don't think many people want to live in such big houses anyway."
The Georgians on The Bishops Avenue Photograph: Graeme Robertson
Estate agents and property developers said the avenue was in transition, with apartments under construction that would bring life back to the area, but said high vacancy rates were inevitable in an international market such as London where buyers come from the Middle East, Russia and increasingly China.
Trevor Abrahmsohn, an estate agent who has overseen 130 deals on The Bishops Avenue since 1976 through his company Glentree Estates, said any attempt to interfere with what owners do with their property would be wrong and the housing shortage should be tackled through reform of the planning system, wresting it from "political control".
He said: "Once you end people's right to buy something and do as they please with it you have a police state," he said. "One of the things people love about this country is its freedom and liberal views. You can't start affecting what people do with their assets. That is sacrosanct."
The Towers on The Bishops Avenue Photograph: Graeme Robertson Andreas
Panayitou, a property tycoon selling one of the empty mansions, Heath Hall, for £65m, believes The Bishops Avenue is improving and more people are starting to spend more time living there.
But he admitted that the derelict Saudi properties "really let the road down". He said he fully agreed with Boris Johnson that London homes were not "blocks of bullion".
He said: "You don't want empty streets and people just parking their money. You need people to live in them or rent them."
But he argued against increasing taxes on unoccupied homes, which he said would be an "annoyance" that would make buyers choose Monte Carlo or Milan instead of London.
brainpanhandler » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:02 pm wrote:Let me get this straight. They buried a Nazi military-technical college under a small mountain of rubble comprised of the ruins of Berlin, named the mountain Devil's Mountain and then built an NSA radar station on top.
David Lynch has purchased a large property on Berlin's Teufelberg mountain where he hopes to build a university devoted to Transcendental Meditation. But he is in hot water after his guru chanted "invincible Germany" at a lecture about the project.
Inside 'Billionaires Row': London's rotting, derelict mansions worth £350m
The North London street where billionaires can buy homes, never live in them, let them rot and still make millions
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