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Postby brekin » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:23 pm

brekin wrote:
What does seem apparent from the exhaustive book, which the title makes plain, was while Davies was quite intelligent and used that intelligence to evade being brought to justice, his crimes were pretty well known in many circles of the entertainment industry, government, police, the medical field, etc


Oops, looks like I'm past being able to edit my blooper but the above should obviously read Savile not Davies! Like the below. :oops:

What does seem apparent from the exhaustive book, which the title makes plain, was while Savile was quite intelligent and used that intelligence to evade being brought to justice, his crimes were pretty well known in many circles of the entertainment industry, government, police, the medical field, etc
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby Col. Quisp » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:45 pm

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I watched a documentary about Myra Hindley (found it on Youtube) last night. One of the "experts" said he sees a lot of crazy people (not his words) who think they are Myra, or hear Myra speaking to them. I remembered a while back in this thread that Savile said his life was Myra's or something like that. The video was "Myra Hindley - the Untold Story".
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby cptmarginal » Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:37 pm

The machine of the body that God has lent you may cause you to err, but nothing is finally your fault. "It could be that the person arriving at the judgment seat had been given a body prone to excesses because the glands dictated that he should be more than was really normal." He defends Broadmoor's inhabitants as "more unlucky than bad", and argues that "There's no point asking about that dark night … when something terrible happened because it wasn't them doing it. It was someone else using their body." When asked if he has been following the Myra Hindley story he replies enigmatically: "I am the Myra Hindley story."


Yeah.

Just got a mobi file of the Davies book and will maybe start reading soon. A few too many disturbing books for me lately, though. Thanks for the fascinating impressions from brekin and others (I knew what you meant when I read that typo, no worries :))

Anyone read the new Murdoch book from the same author, Hack Attack? Going to get that at the library. This older one from him sounds good, too:

Nick Davies - How the Spooks Took Over the News
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby semper occultus » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:26 am

...Nick Davies and Dan Davies are different people...!

According to extracts from Myra Hindley’s diary quoted in Emlyn Williams’s Beyond Belief, she and Ian Brady were indeed regular punters at the New Elizabethan Ballroom at the now-demolished Belle Vue pleasure grounds, in Manchester’s Gorton district. She daydreamed about the two of them being billed as featured dancers there one day, and we know that they attended at least one of the many "Carnival Nights" hosted by the venue's resident DJ at the time, Jimmy Savile. Myra Hindley was a Gorton girl, living at her grandmother's house on Bannock Street. Savile’s big red fuck-off Rolls Royce was a local landmark, regularly parked on ostentatious display right outside the entrance.


Savile sequenced two "smooch times" in his DJ sessions (still called "record dances" in those pre-disco days): one before and one after the live group that he reluctantly put on as a sap to the Musicians' Union. The second smooch time would segue into an hour of rock 'n' roll, followed by a Ray Conniff-driven proto-chillout to end the evening and clear the room with as few altercations as possible.

On Boxing Day, 1964, Brady and Hindley made an audio recording as they bound, gagged and photographed Lesley Ann Downey before they killed her. The tape ends with a snippet of the song "The Little Drummer Boy". It was the version by Ray Conniff.

Flash-forward fifteen years. Janie Jones, the tabloids' favourite sex-party hostess with the mostest, answers a summons to appear before Jimmy Savile soon after her release from prison. His grounds for demanding the encounter? To read her the riot act for having the temerity to campaign for Myra Hindley's release. Not for the reason why most people would have objected to the idea of freeing Hindley — you know, her having helped kidnap, torture, rape and murder other people's children and bury them on Saddleworth Moor, all that stuff — but because, as Janie Jones explained, "he said it was disgraceful that I was siding with Hindley against Brady." Ian Brady was Jimmy Savile's pal.


Where and when Savile first met Brady, whether at HMP Parkhurst or at Broadmoor Hospital, is unclear.1 Savile was famously — now infamously — associated with hospitals and care homes, but not with prisons, yet he definitely pitched up at Parkhurst at least once. That may well be where he met Ronnie Kray for the first time as well.2 And it's definitely where he first met Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper, before going on to deepen their friendship at Broadmoor. Savile would "drop in" for some old-school Pennine bonding with Sutcliffe in his cell. Yorkshire-born and Yorkshire-bred, strong in t' arm and a ball-pein hammer in t' yed.


All this is almost certainly a coincidence of little or no consequence, of course. Just because Jimmy Savile seems to have gone out of his way to break bread with two of the most notorious serial killers in British history doesn't necessarily mean he dug where they were coming from. Indeed, as a good Catholic lad and Knight Commander of the Order of St Gregory the Great, he may have just felt sorry for them. But if the Savile story that's still being teased out were a James Ellroy or David Peace novel, the critics would slate it for collapsing under the weight of all its laboured links and heavy-handed happenstance.


It's like Sick Degrees of Kevin Bacon out there.3


Some of the coincidences are weapons-grade credibility testers, like Brady and Hindley falling in love to the strains of the latest Stateside pops blasting out from Jimmy Savile's "Power Sound Disc Deck" (oh, yes); or like Shirley "Big Daddy" Crabtree joining a crew of Hungarian émigrés to fine-tune his forearm-smash skills on the door at Savile's first string of dancehalls. Some of the coincidences are macabre, like those Ray Conniff fadeouts. But most are just messy and confusing, like Savile leaving home on Belle Vue Road in Leeds to work at Belle Vue in Manchester; or like the surname of the 15-year-old suicide being the same as that of a certain litigiously non-licentious peer; or like Peter Sutcliffe committing one of his murders just opposite Jimmy Savile's penthouse in Leeds, and another in Savile Park in Halifax.


Moors Murderers, Yorkshire Rippers, Kray twins, Ray Conniff Singers, Budapest muscle, Kensington madames — all are grist to the subsatanic Savilean mill. As to who'll be the next implausible but somehow inevitable name to be tacked onto the dramatis personae of this megametanarrative, it's anybody's guess. But my money's on Lord Lucan emerging, stiff-legged and blinking, from the secret cellar of Jimmy Savile's picturesque Glencoe hideaway.

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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby cptmarginal » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:32 am

Haha, sleep deprivation will do wonderful things

I actually would have noticed that when starting to read In Plain Sight, so at least I don't feel too stupid :lol:
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby cptmarginal » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:41 am

Flash-forward fifteen years. Janie Jones, the tabloids' favourite sex-party hostess with the mostest, answers a summons to appear before Jimmy Savile soon after her release from prison. His grounds for demanding the encounter? To read her the riot act for having the temerity to campaign for Myra Hindley's release. Not for the reason why most people would have objected to the idea of freeing Hindley — you know, her having helped kidnap, torture, rape and murder other people's children and bury them on Saddleworth Moor, all that stuff — but because, as Janie Jones explained, "he said it was disgraceful that I was siding with Hindley against Brady." Ian Brady was Jimmy Savile's pal.


WTF

I'm still pretty disgusted with the likes of Adam Parfrey for actively seeking out and publishing Brady's book; not sure who the intended audience actually is for that one
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Postby semper occultus » Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:13 pm

...inevitably he also seems to link up to Fred & Rose West in some way....he obviously was known for having a set of keys for getting around Broadmoor...

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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:27 pm

Jack Canfield self-development movie


Hagrid is 'The Keeper of the Keys' at Hogwarts
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper_of_Keys_and_Grounds

The Hogwarts gamekeeper had many duties, including:

Looking after the school's keys.
Escorting first year students on the boats to the castle.
Tending to the gardens at Hogwarts. [2]
Performing special tasks for the Headmaster and Professors at the school.
Looking after magical beasts on the school grounds.
Tending to matters in the Forbidden Forest.
Bringing the twelve Christmas trees into the Great Hall during December.
Defrosting the school brooms during winter.
Making the pumpkins for the Hallowe'en feast.



Going down a different route, there is a book called
The Keeper of the Keys
written by a nurse called Nadine Scolla

about Camarillo State mental hospital
run by a Dr Louis 'Jolly' West

who was connected with MKUltra

http://mikemcclaughry.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/scolla_keys.pdf

http://mikemcclaughry.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/the-man-who-murdered-my-mother-camarillo-state-hospital-first-hand-accounts/
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:35 pm

Keys, keys keys.

Jimmy Savile had the keys to Broadmoor and other hospitals.

Cyril Smith had the keys to Knowle View and other boys' schools.

The Loyalist terrorist (and probable MI5 asset) William McGrath had the keys to Kincora Boys' Home - because he ran it.

And if you recall, there was a mention of keys being in the possession of the wrong people by Bulic Forsythe shortly before his death too:

The witness added: “Bulic came to me a second time because South Vale [youth assessment centre in West Norwood] had closed and he asked me who had the keys.

"He said, ‘People are saying they are using it to make films’. He was very frightened about something and then he was murdered.”

Bulic died at the time of an internal Lambeth council probe into alleged sexual abuse in the housing department where he had worked.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bu ... le-3578788


What do keys mean?

They mean you own the place.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:49 pm

They've found a replacement for Butler-Sloss.

Her name's Lord Mayor of the City of London Fiona Woolf, because she's the Lord Mayor of the City of London - she's also a corporate lawyer specialising in tax issues (ie. tax avoidance), and an expert in pro-privatization legal maneuverings. On top of this she's a former President of the Law Society. Utterly incorruptible, obviously, and with no background at all in child welfare or criminal investigations. Perfect for the job.

Here she is, in her working gear:

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I reckon if we can get her fired too, their only fallback will be the Remembrancer.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:37 pm

Ahab said:
They've found a replacement for Butler-Sloss.


The thing is, any 'commoner' interested in this story has been anticipating the nature and standing of the B-S replacement.

The more heavyweight the replacement, I was assuming, the deeper the cover-up required - obviously, the surer the hand - the more ears can be whispered into and promises made for compliance.

The gov't knows this looks that way to an increasing number of people.

Yet, they still appoint one of the inner circle.

Their options are growing slimmer. *

(edited to add) *sorry, oxymoron alert - I mean't to convey narrowing fast
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:55 pm

coffin_dodger » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:37 pm wrote:The gov't knows this looks that way to an increasing number of people.

Yet, they still appoint one of the inner circle.

Their options are growing slimmer.


Tbh, I was surprised the government even had the PR sense to realise that it has to be a woman. I was expecting them to turn out some crusty old codger like Sir Ronald Waterhouse again. Or a modern corporate drone bee along the lines of James Murdoch.

C'mon, let's keep going for a laugh until they appoint Black Rod to the post. We all know it'll be the same outcome anyway.
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Postby cptmarginal » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:59 pm

Here's a recent profile of Woolf I've just read & found somewhat fascinating. I wasn't very well-informed about the situation with the City of London Corporation...

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... -interview

Much of her time is spent overseas. "I've just come back from Latin America – Uruguay, four stops in Brazil, Mexico City. Stopped in Madrid on the way back to take the pulse on the European agenda, then back here for a day. Then off to Brussels …

"I receive so many inward visits, and I'm able to pull the right people into the room for the right meetings: two presidents, four prime ministers, three finance ministers, two governors of central banks. I could go on."

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Another high-profile occasion was an Inclusive Capitalism conference in May, convened in conjunction with Lynn Forester de Rothschild.

The conference attracted a stellar lineup of establishment and corporate speakers – Prince Charles, Bank of England governor Mark Carney, IMF boss Christine Lagarde, former US president Bill Clinton and a handful of FTSE 100 chief executives. There were no figures from the Occupy movement.

Speakers delivered a barrage of palatable platitudes, counselling greater self-reflection and social responsibility from the business world, but nothing so disruptive as fresh regulation. Little was said of the role of the Lord Mayor, the City of London Corporation, or the activities of closely-allied lobbying groups such as TheCityUK.

While the lord mayor's "inclusive capitalism" event made the television news bulletins, the more discreet work that she and corporation staff carry out in Westminster, Brussels and beyond, fighting for the interests of high finance in the City, goes largely unreported.


More typically this hard talk is not aired in public, kept separate from the many traditional events with which the lord mayor is most popularly associated.

"It's part of what the world loves about us," Woolf says, dismissing suggestions that the pomp surrounding her position must make it hard to be taken seriously. "We continue to do all the traditional stuff, which people absolutely love. After all, the whole world stops for … the lord mayor's show."

In 1660, Samuel Pepys may have described the event in his diary as "poor and absurd", but Woolf insists she enjoys it. "I absolutely love it, yes … It's well-known around the world and it's terribly well received." Moreover, she suggests, in the eyes of overseas observers it can help elevate perceptions of the lord mayor, setting her apart from other ambassadors and industry lobbyists. "When I went to Bahrain, the governor of the central bank came to meet me at the airport. He took me to every meeting. I mean: fantastic!"

The pageantry of the show – in which each new lord mayor must progress in a gilded horse-drawn coach, in full regalia and guarded by pikemen, through the City streets before swearing allegiance to the crown – still attracts large crowds every November.

For those who care to notice, there are symbolic reminders throughout the festivities of the corporation's constitutional semi-detachment from the rest of the apparatus of state. It is an independence laid down in Magna Carta and through which, 800 years later, the City's modern financial industry has found a powerful voice.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:02 am

Recommended reading on The City of London per Gordon @ Rune Soup:

http://runesoup.com/2013/05/the-money-a ... gy-part-4/

“It seems to be that every big trading disaster happens in London,” U.S. congresswoman Carolyn Maloney observed last June. “And I would like to know why.” The disasters she was referring to were the ones that bankrupted Lehman Brothers and nearly bankrupted some other American firms, such as A.I.G. and MF Global, as well as causing JPMorgan Chase’s $6 billion loss at the hands of the trader popularly known as “the London Whale”—all of these happened to a high degree in the London branches of those firms and have cost the American taxpayer billions of dollars.

To answer her question and to understand why so much of the world’s money goes to London in the first place, you need to go back hundreds of years, to the emergence of what must be the most peculiar, the oldest, the least understood, and perhaps one of the most important institutions in the menagerie of global finance: the City of London Corporation. It is the local authority for “the Square Mile,” the pocket of prime financial real estate centered on the Bank of England and located about three miles to the east of Knightsbridge, along the Thames River.

But the corporation is also much more, its identity embedded in—and slightly apart from—the British nation-state. The corporation has its own constitution, “rooted in the ancient rights and privileges enjoyed by citizens before the Norman Conquest, in 1066,” and its own lord mayor of London—not to be confused with the mayor of London, who runs the Greater London metropolis, with its eight million inhabitants. One sign of the City of London’s distinct identity is the fact that the Queen, on official visits there, will stop at the boundary of the Square Mile, where she is met by the lord mayor, who engages her in a short, colorful ritual, before she may proceed. Most Brits see this merely as a relic from a bygone age, a show for the tourists. They are wrong.

“The lord mayor’s principal official role, his Web site says, is to be “ambassador for all UK-based financial and professional services.” He lobbies far afield, with offices in Brussels, China, and India, among other places, the better to “expound the values of liberalization” far and wide. The City Corporation and closely linked think tanks issue streams of publications explaining why finance should be less tethered by taxes and regulation. The corporation also has its own official lobbyist, with the delightfully medieval-sounding name of The Remembrancer (currently one Paul Double), lodged permanently in Britain’s Parliament. Local elections in the City are unlike any other in Britain: multi-national corporations vote alongside and vastly outnumber the tiny borough’s 7,400 human residents.

Over the centuries the City has thrived, thanks to a simple advantage: it has had money to lend when governments or monarchs needed it. So the City has been granted special privileges, allowing it to remain a political fortress withstanding the tides of history that have transformed the rest of the British nation-state. It has nurtured a British tradition of welcoming foreign money, with few questions asked, and so has for centuries attracted the world’s wealthiest citizens. “There the Jew, the Mahometan, and the Christian transact together,” Voltaire wrote in 1733, “as though they all professed the same religion, and give the name of infidel to none but bankrupts.”

When the British Empire crumbled in the mid-1950s, London replaced the cozy embrace of gunboats and imperial trading preferences with a new model: tempting the world’s hot money through lax regulation and lax enforcement. There was always a subtle balance, involving dependable British legal bedrock fiercely upholding U.K. domestic rules and laws while turning a blind eye to foreign law-breaking. It was a classic offshore-tax-haven offering that tells foreign financiers, “We won’t steal your money, but we won’t make a fuss if you steal other people’s.”

Britain could close down this tax-haven secrecy overnight if it wanted, but the City of London won’t let it. “We have, to put it provocatively, a second British empire, which is at the very core of global financial markets today,” explains Ronen Palan, professor of international political economy at City University in London. “And Britain is very good at not advertising its position.”
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:02 pm

3 City States that control the world

City of London – FINANCE

Vatican City – RELIGION

Washington DC – MILITARY

sovereign, corporate entities that are not part of the countries they are located in.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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