How Bad Is Global Warming?

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Sounder » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:15 pm

Minime wrote…
Even worse, I have no opinion about Global Warming.


Hah, I wish I had no opinion, but the constant propaganda has taken care of that.

Worse than that, I imagine that the taxation itself is not necessarily a bad thing,


Taxes might be fine, but misapplied taxes is stealing.

nor what is done with the proceeds. I don't imagine any one person knows the final distribution of them.


Yes, by design, and you will not hear (much) about that distribution, and just like our other ‘wars’, the money is the objective, not the ‘war’.

So our brave climate fighter business deal setter uppers, certainly deserve immunity for any incidental otherwise criminal acts committed in the pursuit of doing gods work, right?

Well, maybe not but you or I have no say in it and the ra ra cheerleaders will be happy to skip over the implications, as it seems that passing along propaganda like some robot army is somehow more fulfilling.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12 ... osecution/

By George Russell
Published December 18, 2014

“We would definitely be opposed to any extension of immunity to the Fund,” said a senior aide to Republican Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma, who will chair the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works starting in January.

“What do they need protection from?” he asked. “In essence, they are doing business development projects. If you look at the way millions of people do transactions across national borders, they do it without immunity and very successfully.”

Apparently undeterred, fund officials told Fox News that they are now trying to hammer out “bilateral agreement templates” that could be laboriously negotiated with each country where it operates—a total that could eventually reach the great majority of the U.N.’s 193 members.

The Fund has already negotiated one agreement of immunity—with its new host country, South Korea, as a condition of moving its headquarters there last year.
If the GCF succeeds in its broader negotiations, not only billions but eventually trillions of dollars in climate funding activities could fall outside the scope of criminal and civilian legal actions, as well as outside examination, as the Fund, which currently holds $10 billion in funding and pledges, expands its ambitions.

The shield would cover all documentation as well as the words and actions of officials and consultants involved in the activity documentation
—even after they move on to other jobs. As a tasty side-benefit, the “privileges” attached to such “privileges and immunities,” as they are known in diplomatic parlance, mean that employees get their salaries tax-free.



Sounder » Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:04 pm wrote:The irony is that folk that are scathing in their opinion of the present state of human governance on the planet are still looking for those same institutions to ‘save’ us.

Succinctly put... I wonder if they are suffering from some sort of Stockholm syndrome?


The dominant narrative is very convincing. The colonist in our minds.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby minime » Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:45 pm

Sounder » Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:15 pm wrote:
Yes, by design, and you will not hear (much) about that distribution, and just like our other ‘wars’, the money is the objective, not the ‘war’.


With apologies to Robert Towne: Following the money will only get you so far. Used to be money = power. Not so true any more. They are beyond money. jmo. Now it's about the things that money buys, and getting them without money. something, something...
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby slimmouse » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:04 pm

With apologies to Robert Towne: Following the money will only get you so far. Used to be money = power. Not so true any more. They are beyond money. jmo. Now it's about the things that money buys, and getting them without money. something, something...


Thats a truly fascinating angle to chew on, when you get to thinking about how the whole financial system itself, is essentially built on trust.

And especially when the age old trustees of the system are becoming increasingly and transparently untrustworthy.

Nonetheless, we will inevitably need to retain some degree of trust, based upon experience, would be my best shot?
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:19 am

slimmouse » Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:04 pm wrote:
With apologies to Robert Towne: Following the money will only get you so far. Used to be money = power. Not so true any more. They are beyond money. jmo. Now it's about the things that money buys, and getting them without money. something, something...


Thats a truly fascinating angle to chew on, when you get to thinking about how the whole financial system itself, is essentially built on trust.

And especially when the age old trustees of the system are becoming increasingly and transparently untrustworthy.

Nonetheless, we will inevitably need to retain some degree of trust, based upon experience, would be my best shot?
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As we enter into the 21st century's New Gilded Age and inherited wealth outpaces earned wealth a la Piketty, "follow the money" probably will become increasingly unreliable as power becomes somewhat untethered from money. Following the money will likely lead us to a lot of useful idiots.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Sounder » Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:01 am

With apologies for the context abuse; :coolshades

Following the money will likely lead us to a lot of useful idiots


Yes but at least these idiots are smart enough to acquire a tax free income stream, with immunity from criminal prosecution to boot.

Just think, with immunity these folk might create a paradise.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:22 pm

Sounder » Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:01 am wrote:With apologies for the context abuse; :coolshades

Following the money will likely lead us to a lot of useful idiots


Yes but at least these idiots are smart enough to acquire a tax free income stream, with immunity from criminal prosecution to boot.

Just think, with immunity these folk might create a paradise.


I'm saying they will have been born into it and won't have been necessarily smart. This is an economic landscape the world hasn't seen in over 100 years, when culture was much different.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby coffin_dodger » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:57 am

Unusual number of UK flowers bloom BBC News 9 Jan 2014

Botanists have been stunned by the results of their annual hunt for plants in flower on New Year’s Day.

They say according to textbooks there should be between 20 and 30 species in flower.
This year there were 368 in bloom.

It raises further questions about the effects of climate change during the UK’s warmest year on record.

“This is extraordinary,” said Tim Rich, who started the New Year’s plant hunt for the Botanical Society of Britain and Ireland.

“Fifty years ago people looking for plants in flower at the start of the year found 20 species. This year the total has amazed us – we are stunned.

cont - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30754443
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:31 am

Ben D » 30 Dec 2014 18:10 wrote:
Sounder » Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:04 pm wrote:The irony is that folk that are scathing in their opinion of the present state of human governance on the planet are still looking for those same institutions to ‘save’ us.

Succinctly put... I wonder if they are suffering from some sort of Stockholm syndrome?


Get real - its 2015, people have been banging on about this for decades and as of yet how many of those institutions have done exactly what to 'save us'?
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:34 am

Hah, I wish I had no opinion, but the constant propaganda has taken care of that.


So you have been influenced by the propaganda of Murdoch/Koch et al that humans have nothing to do with the ongoing warming on earth. Its rare that people will admit how much effect that propaganda has on them so well done.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:45 am

Yes, by design, and you will not hear (much) about that distribution, and just like our other ‘wars’, the money is the objective, not the ‘war’.


Sorry posted by accident before I'd finished.

In australia the redistribution of wealth via various specific carbon taxes and pricing schemes has been tracked, analysed and and argued about for 7 or more years and those of us who can spend 10 minutes following an argument are well aware of the details.

Most of the arguments about these schemes have focused on how much assistance has gone to big businesses - the ones who produce the most CO2. Our latest government has actually destroyed anything to do with any environmental issues, but still has a policy of giving heaps of money to big business to spend on ... well no one really knows ... whatever the hell they want, in the name of action on environmental issues that they clearly don't believe in. So what you're describing as a scam is only a scam when the people responsible for distributing the money give it their rich mates instead of pumping into the processes that are hopefully going to limit the damage CO2 causes. here the people who are doing what you describe above are the ones who don't accept AGW is happening.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:50 am

Sorry Iam...there is nothing new in what you have posted...Australia experiences continuous cycles of droughts and floods,


Forgot to mention to Ben that in the last 20 years there have been more firestorms than in the previous 200. They haven't been part of any previous cycle of drought and flood.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:32 am

Joe Hillshoist » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:31 pm wrote:
Ben D » 30 Dec 2014 18:10 wrote:
Sounder » Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:04 pm wrote:The irony is that folk that are scathing in their opinion of the present state of human governance on the planet are still looking for those same institutions to ‘save’ us.

Succinctly put... I wonder if they are suffering from some sort of Stockholm syndrome?


Get real - its 2015, people have been banging on about this for decades and as of yet how many of those institutions have done exactly what to 'save us'?

That's what I mean....those institutions are used to hold the people hostage to an agw carbon tax fleecing scheme and the deceived frightened true believers imagine their intentions are all ridgy didge...haha!
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:33 am

Joe Hillshoist » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:50 pm wrote:
Sorry Iam...there is nothing new in what you have posted...Australia experiences continuous cycles of droughts and floods,


Forgot to mention to Ben that in the last 20 years there have been more firestorms than in the previous 200. They haven't been part of any previous cycle of drought and flood.

Evidence?
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:26 am

Here are two wikipedia sites you can work out the numbers here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushfires_ ... _Australia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Au ... re_seasons

Both lists are incomplete but do illustrate the trend - if you want real evidence look up the works of (among others) Henessey, Lucas, Pitman and Williams via the Bushfire Co-operative Research Centre and the CSIRO.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:39 am

* Joe....think about it...there is no comparable statistical data available for 1814 era wrt firestorms across Australia coverage......so I call B/S.
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