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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri May 01, 2015 10:28 am

82_28 » Fri May 01, 2015 9:01 am wrote:
Luther Blissett » Fri May 01, 2015 5:00 am wrote:I was at this solidarity rally and march yesterday:
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/loc ... 53251.html

It was mostly peaceful but a lot of imposing horse-mounted cops and helicopters.

One thing I noticed that I wanted to ask the group here about: in addition to the helicopters, I also noticed white, unmarked, windowless 767s in a very low (lower than normal) flying pattern right over Center City (also an unusual path). Does anyone have any clue what that might have been? Total coincidence or does this kind of aircraft have anything to do with civil unrest?


I'll ask my brother who is an airline captain (a very rare left-wing pilot -- no pun -- but he has told me that you basically cannot say you are liberal amongst many) and see what he has to say (82_28 has managed to get his entire fam left wing over the years). You're sure they were 767s? So I can ask him what he might know.


Definitely not sure they were 767s, but they were approximately that size. Totally could have been a 757 or even an A320 for how low it was.

To make this post a little more on topic, there's this:

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Brandon Darby, an ex-anarchist, now an FBI informant who works for the conservative news source Breitbart, arrived in Baltimore not too long ago. If you see this man, DO NOT give him any personal information or respond to any of his questions. If he tries to film you, cover your face as much as possible and try to avoid him. If you spot him, yell it out so everyone else protesting knows.
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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri May 01, 2015 10:56 am

from msnbc


Freddie Gray's death a homicide ...six officers charged

including murder and manslaughter

Gray asked for medic twice and was refused

illegal arrest

police had no probable cause to arrest him


officers maybe held over the weekend depending on bail......they will be picked up arrested ... handcuffed....booked
.....


http://abcnews.go.com/US/freddie-grays- ... d=30728026



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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby Lord Balto » Fri May 01, 2015 12:33 pm

seemslikeadream » Fri May 01, 2015 10:56 am wrote:from msnbc


Freddie Gray's death a homicide ...six officers charged

including murder and manslaughter

Gray asked for medic twice and was refused

illegal arrest

police had no probable cause to arrest him

.....


http://abcnews.go.com/US/freddie-grays- ... d=30728026



YES!



I'm still trying to figure out if these are psycho killers or just the dumbest MOFOs ever walked the face of the earth. I lean toward the former.

Three interim measures to help straighten out police behavior:

1) Stop hiring ex-military, especially Iraq and Afghanistan veterans,

2) Stop hiring psycho killers by whatever means necessary,

3) When a psycho killer gets through and then injures or kills someone, FIRE HIS ASS, don't put him back on the street.

Ain't rocket science, though these politicians act like it is.
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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri May 01, 2015 12:40 pm

Lord Balto » Fri May 01, 2015 11:33 am wrote:1) Stop hiring ex-military, especially Iraq and Afghanistan veterans


Why?

I work with a lot of vets and they're the most responsible, reasonable, human people in the building.

I have an easy dozen friends who either veterans or currently enlisted, and all of them have managed to do a great job hiding their racism, fascism and murder sprees.

Edit: Also, I'd rather have someone with MIL experience than someone with community college x high school football experience getting hired for LEO work.
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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri May 01, 2015 1:38 pm

We all probably have family who served in Iraq or Afghanistan, but my little cousin would not be my first choice for someone who might make a good community security expert for an idealized future of law enforcement. I personally am hoping / working for a system of unarmed mediation and intervention teams, drug decriminalization and an end to the war on drugs, restorative justice as a community burden, feminist-led, cooperative community patrols, radically transformed mental health care, and purposeful direct democracy. None are related in any way to the military, but young police now are broadly ex-military/mercenary.
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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri May 01, 2015 2:16 pm

Luther Blissett » Fri May 01, 2015 12:38 pm wrote:None are related in any way to the military, but young police now are broadly ex-military/mercenary.


Ex-mercenary? Really?

Anyways. This may be of interest: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hrslleo08st.pdf

If not for having spent so much time trying to quantify the long arm of the law back in 2012, I'd agree with your assumptions re: the composition of American law enforcement. However, recruiters and HR departments want minorities and women more than they want combat vets, and the stigma of PTSD is very real.

There has definitely been a lot of hiring and turnover in the past decade, but LEO is not exactly a booming profession.

(Although BJS and BLS dazzle with detail, once you dig into the methodology you can appreciate how huge the data gaps are. We're both speculating and I don't intend this as a correction so much as a confusion.)
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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri May 01, 2015 2:48 pm

I haven't read the entire thread, been busy, but I did hear the recording made that accompanied the video taken by a witness with her cell phone. I've seen the photos and I did see video of Gray being hauled to the van. I bring to your attention the witness yelling to the cops that his leg appeared broken.

It wasn't his leg that was broken, it was his neck. One cop restrained Mr. Gray by kneeling on his head but his knee slipped down and all his weight came to bear upon the side or back of Mr. Gray's neck, breaking it and at the same time severing his spinal cord.

Perhaps one of the cops tried to bring him down by choking him with his baton broke his hyoid bone and crushed his larynx, I don't know. Perhaps the video might have begun earlier than that I watched and would show Mr. Gray being taken down by the cops?

It seems to me they would all be culpable of manslaughter to one degree or another.

The unnecessary and illegal stopping of Mr. Gray will be an issue that this court will not resolve, and such incidents will continue.

Just last evening my Grandson had his mother's car impounded after being stopped and hassled without cause by a trooper. I am glad he is alive. And very glad he's not in jail.

I mean, I think he's alive. I didn't ask my daughter if she killed him.
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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri May 01, 2015 3:49 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Fri May 01, 2015 1:16 pm wrote:
Luther Blissett » Fri May 01, 2015 12:38 pm wrote:None are related in any way to the military, but young police now are broadly ex-military/mercenary.


Ex-mercenary? Really?

Anyways. This may be of interest: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hrslleo08st.pdf

If not for having spent so much time trying to quantify the long arm of the law back in 2012, I'd agree with your assumptions re: the composition of American law enforcement. However, recruiters and HR departments want minorities and women more than they want combat vets, and the stigma of PTSD is very real.

There has definitely been a lot of hiring and turnover in the past decade, but LEO is not exactly a booming profession.

(Although BJS and BLS dazzle with detail, once you dig into the methodology you can appreciate how huge the data gaps are. We're both speculating and I don't intend this as a correction so much as a confusion.)


It may be anecdotal or histrionic, but I was taking it for granted that the evidence relayed over time in the Militarization of the Police / Rise of the Warrior Cop threads about maybe Blackwater / Xe / Academi / G4S / DynCorp / Aegis mercenaries returning from war in the Middle East were finding employment as local law enforcement officers was true, combined with military surplus weapons, ammunition, and equipment given to them by the Pentagon, and Homeland Security-funded military training. After Ferguson we were told that deescalation and conflict resolution aren't taught anymore.

Thank you for that link, I suppose there could be a lot of crossover between recruitment practices that target women, minorities, and veterans, correct? It doesn't seem to be that much smaller of a circle on a potential Venn diagram:

In 2008 most officers worked for an agency that targeted minorities (59%) and women (56%) for employment. About half worked for an agency that targeted military veterans (51%), applicants with prior law enforcement experience (45%), and multi-lingual persons (42%) (figure 8).
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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri May 01, 2015 3:51 pm

The man who filmed the Freddie Gray video has been arrested at gunpoint

Arrest comes in spite of his cooperation with the police

Kevin Moore, the man who filmed Freddie Gray's brutal arrest, has now himself been arrested following "harassment and intimidation" from Baltimore police.

Moore was arrested at gunpoint last night along with two other members of Cop Watch, agroup dedicated to filming and documenting police work.

His video of Gray's arrest was shot shortly before the man suffered spinal injuries while in police custody that led to his death.

Our We Copwatcher Chad from Ferguson and Kevin Moore (one of the people who Copwatched and documented Freddie Gray) were...

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Moore claims that despite having co-operated with two detectives in the Baltimore Police Department’s Office of Internal Oversight and given them the video, police posted his photo and told the public that he was "wanted for questioning", asking people to identify him.

"What is so important that you have to plaster my picture over the Internet? I've already spoken," Moore said, suggesting that they posted it simply to intimidate him.

Moore was asleep in his home on the morning of 12 April, when his uncle yelled to him: "The police are tazing Freddie."

He ran out into the street and instantly started filming on his cell phone as Gray "screamed for his life", one officer putting his knee on his neck as the other bent his legs backwards.

"They had him folded up like he was a crab or a piece of origami. He was all bent up," Moore said.

At the time of writing it seems Moore has been released but his colleagues, Chad Jackson and Tony White, have not, with Cop Watch asking for help from lawyers.
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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Fri May 01, 2015 5:00 pm

Police in New York City
chased a boy right through the park
in a case of mistaken identity
they put a bullet thru his heart
Heartbreaker, with your .44, I'm gonna tear your world apart

The stones circa 73 based on (according to wiki, I know... :tongout ) an actual case of a gunned down 10 year old (under suspicion of robbery, despite the fact the robber's description was of someone a foot taller and somewhat older than the kid) that led to riots at the time. Even more surreal was hearing it a few nites ago on 'sirius FM' (on a channel which only does top 40 from Hall of Fame bands, as establishment as can be). Apparently one of the programmers that nite was a bit frisky, lord knows I hadn't thought of that song for ages...(oh, it's on Goat's Head Soup, that's why...)

I don't know if I should be more amazed that the Stones got this one into the top 40 or that this shit is still happening 40 years on...
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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri May 01, 2015 6:05 pm

5 Examples of Our Government Treating BlackLivesMatter Movement Like a Terrorist Group
There's already an abundance of evidence.
By Adam Johnson / AlterNet April 27, 2015

We learned in the wake of the Occupy Wall Street movement that the government’s use of its anti-terror apparatus at a local and federal level was both routine and pervasive. Thus far, the means with which similar practices have been used on #BlackLivesMatter have been subtly emerging -- thanks in large part to some truly intrepid journalism -- from across the country. Here is a recap of the five of the worst examples:

1. NYPD and FBI uses counter-terror apparatus on #BlackLivesMatter New York.

Though it was mostly taken for granted by those paying attention within the activists community, official recognition that the NYPD and its FBI Joint Terror Task Force were using their counter terror units on #BlackLivesMatter didn’t really come until a casual admission by the NYPD in the New York Post the day before the announcement of the Eric Garner verdict in December of last year:


“They wore me out, ” said one counterterror expert who monitored the protests. “Their ability to strategize on the fly is something we haven’t dealt with before to this degree.”

A few weeks later, the New York Post would again be the forum with which the NYPD would casually assert counter terror units were used on #BlackLivesMatter, this time in connection to an alleged assault on an NYPD officer: "Linsker was nabbed by members of the Joint Terrorism Task Force around 3:45 a.m., sources said."

Alex Kane reported for Vice:

How the NYPD’s Counterterrorism Apparatus Is Being Turned on Protesters

The police wearing the counterterrorism jackets at protests are perhaps the most palpable sign of the agency's transformation since 2001. Before 9/11 the NYPD had no counterterrorism bureau and the Intelligence Division focused its resources on gang activity. After the September 11 attacks, however, billions of dollars were poured into the department to counter the threat of terrorism, as a 2011 60 Minutes report showed. Critics of the NYPD's post-9/11 turn have been arguing that practices devoted to fighting terrorism have violated the Constitution.

Now, they say, the NYPD is unleashing its counterterrorism tools on activists against police brutality, conflating legitimate protest with the threat of terrorism.

2. California Highway Patrol used counterterror units to monitor #BlackLivesMatter in Bay Area.

A cache of emails revealed by Darwin BondGraham of the East Bay Express two weeks ago revealed the California Highway Patrol were using its anti-terrorism apparatus, including fusion centers like Northern California Regional Intelligence Center to monitor #BlackLivesMatter activists on social media. As BondGraham would lay out:

An email sent on December 12 illustrates how counter-terrorism officials working out of fusion centers helped CHP monitor protesters. At 12:12 p.m. that day, Elijah Owen, a senior intelligence advisor with the California State Threat Assessment Center (Cal STAC) sent CHP officer Michael Berndl a copy of a protest flier calling for a speak-out and march against the CHP the next day. "Just so it's on your folks' radar," wrote Owen. Cal STAC officers appear in other CHP emails as sources of information, or recipients of intel gathered by the Oakland Police Department, Alameda County Sheriff's Office, and other agencies.

Earlier this year, the California Highway Patrol would also casually drop in the LA Times how they used fake twitter profiles to monitor protesters:


Despite Wednesday's incident, Browne said he will continue to deploy plainclothes officers to gather intelligence from protesters. Officers have also been creating Twitter accounts, on which they don't identify themselves as police, in order to monitor planned demonstrations.

It’s unclear to what extent these two approaches - using anti-terror apparatus to monitor #BlackLivesMatter social media and the use of fake online profiles to monitor #BlackLivesMatter- overlapped.

3. Massachusetts Counterterror fusion centers were used to monitor #BlackLivesMatter protesters in Boston.

Similarly, fusion centers were used to monitor #BlacklivesMatter protests in Massachusetts. As the ACLU’s Kade Crockford noted last November:

Law enforcement officials at the Department of Homeland Security-funded “Commonwealth Fusion Center” spied on the Twitter and Facebook accounts of Black Lives Matter protesters in Boston earlier this week, the Boston Herald reports.

The reference to the so-called ‘fusion’ spy center comes at the very end of a news story quoting Boston protesters injured by police in Tuesday night’s demonstrations, which was possibly the largest Ferguson related protest in the country the day after the non-indictment of Darren Wilson was announced.

The state police Commonwealth Fusion Center monitored social media, which provided “critical intelligence about protesters’ plans to try to disrupt traffic on state highways,” state police said.

Though it was buried at the end of the Boston Herald story, the use of fusion centers - deliberately set up for the purposes of stopping terrorism - are, once again, being used to monitor peaceful domestic dissent.

4. FBI Joint Terror Task Force was used to track #BlackLivesMatter Minnesota.

Just as with the California Highway Patrol, internal emails between local police departments and federal authorities revealed the extent to which the counter-terror apparatus was casually - and entirely turn-key - used on #BlackLivesMatter. The Intercept’s Lee Fang revealed in March:


Why Was an FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force Tracking a BlackLives Matter protest?

Members of an FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force tracked the time and location of a Black Lives Matter protest last December at the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota, email obtained by The Intercept shows

The email from David S. Langfellow, a St. Paul police officer and member of an FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force, informs a fellow task force member from the Bloomington police that “CHS just confirmed the MOA protest I was talking to you about today, for the 20th of DEC @ 1400 hours.” CHS is a law enforcement acronym for “confidential human source.”

In other words, these emails revealed that not only was the FBI using its Joint Terror Task Force - an entity that exploded post-9/11 in the name of fighting terrorism - but also using paid informants who were undercover posing as protestors. Once again, tactics and legal allowances created in the name of “stopping terrorism” are being used, without any oversight or public debate, on entirely peaceful domestic activism.

5. Emails reveal Missouri National Guard viewed Ferguson protestors as “enemy forces.”

The most haunting revelation may just be the latest, from CNN:

Missouri National Guard's term for Ferguson protesters: 'Enemy forces'

As the Missouri National Guard prepared to deploy to help quell riots in Ferguson, Missouri, that raged sporadically last year, the guard used highly militarized words such as "enemy forces" and "adversaries" to refer to protesters, according to documents obtained by CNN.

CNN’s use of military speak aside (“quell riots”), the report clearly shows those in charge viewed both rioter and protester alike as enemy combatants and Ferguson as a war zone.

What makes this, and the other above examples, so pernicious isn’t just the use of anti-terror language, legal authority, and apparatuses on peaceful domestic activism, it’s the entirely casual nature with which it’s done. Beyond a few PR tweaks, there doesn’t seem to be, in any of these internal documents, an ounce of doubt or hesitation as to whether or not using systems set up ostensibly to combat al-Qaeda should be so quickly turned on domestic activism. If all you have is a hammer, as the cliche goes, everything looks like a nail. We’ve given our hyper-militarized police and the FBI the hammer of coordinated mass surveillance, infiltration, and monitoring in the name of fighting a phenomenon that kills fewer people a year than bee stings, It was only a matter of time, therefore, that mass protests would begin to look like a nail in the eyes of our paranoid, over-equipped security officials.
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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon May 04, 2015 3:54 pm

Baltimore Cop Admits Police Plotting to Depose Mayor After Having to “Stand Down” to the “Animals”
By Jay Syrmopoulos on May 2, 2015

Baltimore, Md. – On Thursday, a man who identified himself as an active Baltimore police officer named “Jeff” claimed that he and fellow officers were formulating plans to oust the elected mayor of Baltimore.

The announcement was made on a Baltimore radio show. “There is right now over 50 of us officers who are immediately asking for [Baltimore Mayor] Stephanie Rawlings-Blake to step down for what she did to us Monday,” the caller told WBAL radio.

“Jeff” alleged that there was an ever-growing movement within the Baltimore Police Department to sack the mayor.

“Our numbers are growing of officers. We have black, white, female, Hispanic and other officers who are joining this movement now to get her out of office,” he told WBAL Radio.

One of the major precipitating factors, according to the caller, was the mayor’s handling of the riots. He claimed that officers could have put down problems before they began.

“The moment it started, we could have ended it. Trust you me. They would not let us. It’s on the mayor’s shoulders now for the people who were injured, the buildings that were burnt, and the officers that were hurt. The city may never recover from what she let happen,” the caller said.

The mayor’s office claims that there was no “stand down” order given and that the media misinterpreted her comments about providing “space” for protesters.

“Any other time in my career, if somebody were to throw a brick or a block at me, we would take immediate actions to pull our weapons on them. Numerous times on Monday when our officers were being injured, our commanders are telling us ‘stand down, stand down,’” the self-described “21-year veteran” of the Baltimore police department told WBAL radio.

As he continued, he revealed his true feelings about the urban youth of Baltimore he is allegedly supposed to “protect & serve.” “You had no idea what it did to us as police officers to sit there and let people, I’m gonna say it, thugs, hoodlums, little animals do what they did to us in the streets of Baltimore.”

“Jeff” attempted to explain that the way to keep situations from escalating is to “lock up” the first agitator the moment they start breaking the law. And while this may hold true under normal circumstances, the assertion that tactics such as these would defuse the situation is at best naive, and at worst just plain ignorant.

Perhaps what the caller failed to realize is that when in a situation such as this, a drastic escalation in force will only backfire. It will serve to embolden exactly the opposite response and create an even more intense and violent confrontation. Of course, a cop wouldn’t realize that, as they consistently escalate conflicts rather than pacify a situation.

“The mayor needs to answer for this,” claimed the officer.

The effort to deflect attention away from the alleged crimes committed by Baltimore police officers, and onto the mayor, cannot be overstated. If cops were as quick to hold their fellow officers accountable, as they are to attempt to hold the mayor accountable, perhaps the riots would have never transpired in the first place.

One thing is clear; these officers serve at the discretion of the mayor and threats of deposing the mayor should not be taken lightly.

Whatever transpires, don’t be surprised if many Baltimore police officers suddenly start missing work after coming down with the “blue flu.” We may even see a decrease in tickets written, in an attempt to strong arm the mayor by hitting the city in the wallet.

Be sure to keep a close eye on the Baltimore Police Department to be certain that they don’t attempt to illegally usurp the will of the citizens of Baltimore.

Please share this story to help keep the Baltimore PD accountable!!

H/T The Daily Caller
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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby Lord Balto » Mon May 04, 2015 6:35 pm

Luther Blissett » Mon May 04, 2015 3:54 pm wrote:
Baltimore Cop Admits Police Plotting to Depose Mayor After Having to “Stand Down” to the “Animals”
By Jay Syrmopoulos on May 2, 2015

Baltimore, Md. – On Thursday, a man who identified himself as an active Baltimore police officer named “Jeff” claimed that he and fellow officers were formulating plans to oust the elected mayor of Baltimore.

The announcement was made on a Baltimore radio show. “There is right now over 50 of us officers who are immediately asking for [Baltimore Mayor] Stephanie Rawlings-Blake to step down for what she did to us Monday,” the caller told WBAL radio.

“Jeff” alleged that there was an ever-growing movement within the Baltimore Police Department to sack the mayor.

“Our numbers are growing of officers. We have black, white, female, Hispanic and other officers who are joining this movement now to get her out of office,” he told WBAL Radio.

One of the major precipitating factors, according to the caller, was the mayor’s handling of the riots. He claimed that officers could have put down problems before they began.

“The moment it started, we could have ended it. Trust you me. They would not let us. It’s on the mayor’s shoulders now for the people who were injured, the buildings that were burnt, and the officers that were hurt. The city may never recover from what she let happen,” the caller said.

The mayor’s office claims that there was no “stand down” order given and that the media misinterpreted her comments about providing “space” for protesters.

“Any other time in my career, if somebody were to throw a brick or a block at me, we would take immediate actions to pull our weapons on them. Numerous times on Monday when our officers were being injured, our commanders are telling us ‘stand down, stand down,’” the self-described “21-year veteran” of the Baltimore police department told WBAL radio.

As he continued, he revealed his true feelings about the urban youth of Baltimore he is allegedly supposed to “protect & serve.” “You had no idea what it did to us as police officers to sit there and let people, I’m gonna say it, thugs, hoodlums, little animals do what they did to us in the streets of Baltimore.”

“Jeff” attempted to explain that the way to keep situations from escalating is to “lock up” the first agitator the moment they start breaking the law. And while this may hold true under normal circumstances, the assertion that tactics such as these would defuse the situation is at best naive, and at worst just plain ignorant.

Perhaps what the caller failed to realize is that when in a situation such as this, a drastic escalation in force will only backfire. It will serve to embolden exactly the opposite response and create an even more intense and violent confrontation. Of course, a cop wouldn’t realize that, as they consistently escalate conflicts rather than pacify a situation.

“The mayor needs to answer for this,” claimed the officer.

The effort to deflect attention away from the alleged crimes committed by Baltimore police officers, and onto the mayor, cannot be overstated. If cops were as quick to hold their fellow officers accountable, as they are to attempt to hold the mayor accountable, perhaps the riots would have never transpired in the first place.

One thing is clear; these officers serve at the discretion of the mayor and threats of deposing the mayor should not be taken lightly.

Whatever transpires, don’t be surprised if many Baltimore police officers suddenly start missing work after coming down with the “blue flu.” We may even see a decrease in tickets written, in an attempt to strong arm the mayor by hitting the city in the wallet.

Be sure to keep a close eye on the Baltimore Police Department to be certain that they don’t attempt to illegally usurp the will of the citizens of Baltimore.

Please share this story to help keep the Baltimore PD accountable!!

H/T The Daily Caller


What are they going to do, stage a coup d'etat? Who do they think they are, the CIA? These folks really do have an inflated view of their own importance.
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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue May 05, 2015 9:35 am

As the Missouri National Guard prepared to deploy to help quell riots in Ferguson, Missouri, that raged sporadically last year, the guard used highly militarized words such as "enemy forces" and "adversaries" to refer to protesters, according to documents obtained by CNN.


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Re: Bodymore Murderland

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed May 06, 2015 2:51 pm

82_28 » Fri May 01, 2015 9:01 am wrote:
Luther Blissett » Fri May 01, 2015 5:00 am wrote:I was at this solidarity rally and march yesterday:
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/loc ... 53251.html

It was mostly peaceful but a lot of imposing horse-mounted cops and helicopters.

One thing I noticed that I wanted to ask the group here about: in addition to the helicopters, I also noticed white, unmarked, windowless 767s in a very low (lower than normal) flying pattern right over Center City (also an unusual path). Does anyone have any clue what that might have been? Total coincidence or does this kind of aircraft have anything to do with civil unrest?


I'll ask my brother who is an airline captain (a very rare left-wing pilot -- no pun -- but he has told me that you basically cannot say you are liberal amongst many) and see what he has to say (82_28 has managed to get his entire fam left wing over the years). You're sure they were 767s? So I can ask him what he might know.


Perhaps it was lower than I thought?

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