Get out the Vote: Terence McKenna 2016

[SonicG]

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you obviously didnt listen to the podcast yet

this is just one of the reasons i posted it.

If you mean the one-minute one, I have now. I still don't see the difference, a leader is still a leader, voting is still voting. McKenna was still backed by Laurence Rockeller. Which doesn't mean TM was an asset, only that he was considered to be an asset (if there's a difference).

After twenty years of doing them and knowing people who have, I haven't seen any substantial evidence that repeat entheogen use leads to anything but a cosmically inflated ego and a fucked up liver.

Still trying to find that audio.

Your timestamp is off (?) I have seen these accusations about McKenna - the one where he refers to the shroom overmind and it is twisted into being about the CIA or whatever...and about Wasson...But I never hear any real proof as their supposed usefulness. I guess the argument about Wasson and then Leary is that the great '60s revolution was really derailed by acid - even though the real politicos had mostly moved beyond tripping. And the most radical expression in the '60s, Paris '68 had nothing to do with acid, one way or the other (neither benefit or detriment). And Mckenna? Is the damage supposed to be that it just neutralizes people so they are not active politically? Mckenna wasn't really about microdosing but rather the opposite, as in occasional heroic doses, and was somewhat elitist too: let's give DMT to the architects, scientists, intellectuals...The RS article is full of lots of holes and suppositions. Entheogens have been proven to help with opiate addiction, alcoholism, PTSD...Once they are dropped to Schedule II and research can be conducted with much less restrictions, I am sure that even more positive research will be forthcoming

[slimmouse]

All I can say, is that I truly cant emphasise how much listening to the McKenna brothers has impacted my own personal understanding of how ( I believe) reality works.

You do of course need personal discernment.

Not to mention the fact that I could be completely wrong.

[slimmouse]

Perhaps this thread needs an RI poll. Would you vote Democrat, Republican or Mckenna? No other candidates need apply.

[BrandonD]

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you obviously didnt listen to the podcast yet

this is just one of the reasons i posted it.

If you mean the one-minute one, I have now. I still don't see the difference, a leader is still a leader, voting is still voting. McKenna was still backed by Laurence Rockeller. Which doesn't mean TM was an asset, only that he was considered to be an asset (if there's a difference).

After twenty years of doing them and knowing people who have, I haven't seen any substantial evidence that repeat entheogen use leads to anything but a cosmically inflated ego and a fucked up liver.

Still trying to find that audio.

Emphasis on *repeat*. I think it is worthwhile to have at least one major psychedelic experience.

I can't shake the intuition that McKenna's idea of reducing the male population was at least in part intended to make himself more alluring to the females listening to his speech. There's just something about McKenna's whole persona that has always struck me as very sex-obsessed (more so than the average person).

I found it funny that David Lynch portrayed Dr Jacoby (who was based upon McKenna) as this exact kind of person.

[slomo]

I can't shake the intuition that McKenna's idea of reducing the male population was at least in part intended to make himself more alluring to the females listening to his speech. There's just something about McKenna's whole persona that has always struck me as very sex-obsessed (more so than the average person).

I found it funny that David Lynch portrayed Dr Jacoby (who was based upon McKenna) as this exact kind of person.

Raises an interesting question about other men who are singularly obsessed with demonizing other men as a class:

Hugo Schwyzer was a passionate advocate for women's rights. But when he revealed his personal history of addiction, violence, and sex with students, he sparked outrage -- and raised questions about a man's role in the feminist movement.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I can't shake the intuition that McKenna's idea of reducing the male population was at least in part intended to make himself more alluring to the females listening to his speech.

I heroically resisted the urge to comment something along the lines of "That just sounds like he was trying to get laid at Esalen that night, to me."

I thought it was perhaps too crass, and I rest assured anyone reading this grasps the line between explanation and justification.

[tapitsbo]

Problematizing the existence of men in this way need not originate with a feminist conspiracy; it could also be a sneaky route to mobilizing newly anxious men for underhanded agendas much as some co-opted versions of feminism have done with women (American Dream has posted material that frames middle eastern turmoil as a "Beta Uprising" while simultaneously calling for mobilization of women and children in fighting forces...)

[Agent Orange Cooper]

I can't shake the intuition that McKenna's idea of reducing the male population was at least in part intended to make himself more alluring to the females listening to his speech. There's just something about McKenna's whole persona that has always struck me as very sex-obsessed (more so than the average person).

Well, he was a Triple Scorpio.

[Bryter]

All I can say, is that I truly cant emphasise how much listening to the McKenna brothers has impacted my own personal understanding of how ( I believe) reality works.

Same here. I put this podcast on the other night as I lay in bed and was spellbound anew at Terence's descriptive skills. I don't know that I've ever heard anyone use the English language so.. originally. I think he was at his best when he was fielding questions from the audience, speaking extemporaneously about anything and everything.

https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-47 ... g-culture/

You know, the whole "each woman should have only one child" thing was something I've only heard him say a few times. Like 2 or 3. It wasn't part of his usual schtick.

Anyhoo, he'd get my vote

[Agent Orange Cooper]

It was something "the Mushroom" suggested when he asked it how to solve the problem of overpopulation, I don't think he ever made it out to be anything more than that: a suggestion made to him by a fungus.

[guruilla]

It was something "the Mushroom" suggested when he asked it how to solve the problem of overpopulation, I don't think he ever made it out to be anything more than that: a suggestion made to him by a fungus.

Roll out the apologists.

& Rockefeller only gave TM loads of money because, what, he had more than he knew what to do with?

[slomo]

It was something "the Mushroom" suggested when he asked it how to solve the problem of overpopulation, I don't think he ever made it out to be anything more than that: a suggestion made to him by a fungus.

Because everybody knows that Terrence McKenna totally discounted fungus-induced altered-states.

[slomo]

An aside: the weeks I spent trying to independently verify TimeWave Zero? I'll never get them back. Boy was I naive back then.

[SonicG]

Haha, yeah I am sure the fact that I decided to not have any kids and depopulate the earth was all due to Terence McKenna and the Voynich manuscript.
If you can draw a direct line between how his overall ideas were somehow in the service of his IA/corporate sponsors in a simple manner, again, I'd be very obliged. Again, how one or two sentences can be made into his main thrust baffles me...

[Agent Orange Cooper]

It was something "the Mushroom" suggested when he asked it how to solve the problem of overpopulation, I don't think he ever made it out to be anything more than that: a suggestion made to him by a fungus.

Roll out the apologists.

Who's apologizing?