Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

[AlicetheKurious]

But of course. Though most Americans clearly have no idea, it's a pretty safe bet the rest of the world, knows exactly what "ISIS"/Daesh is, and its purpose.

ISIS posts propaganda song in Mandarin to recruit Chinese Muslims
Published time: 8 Dec, 2015 20:57

Islamic State militants (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) have reportedly published a propaganda song in Mandarin to attract attention of Chinese Muslims. This comes amid Beijing’s calls to strengthen international cooperation against terrorism.

The four-minute song in form of ‘nasheed,’ an Islamic a cappella chant, emerged online on Sunday, according to the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors and tracks jihadist groups online.

“We are Mujahid, our shameless enemy panics before us,” a male voice is heard singing accompanied by a chorus. No instruments can be used in IS songs, as their radical Islam interpretation bans any use of non-vocal music.

It’s not clear how the song could reach the Chinese Muslims, though: cyberspace in China is known to be tightly controlled and protected by the government. The song is one of the few cases such materials have appeared in Mandarin. Muslims are a minority group in China with about 1 to 2 percent (over 21 million) living in the country, according to a 2009 study done by the Pew Research Center.

Reacting to the song Beijing reiterated its calls to strengthen global cooperation against terrorism on Tuesday.

"In the face of terrorism, no country can stand on its own, and the international community should stand closer together and cooperate to jointly strike against all forms of terrorism," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told a news briefing.

In a separate briefing on Tuesday, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Cheng Guoping said Beijing already participates in an international cooperation program against terrorism with Moscow and Washington, but did not elaborate.

"At present, relevant countries have proactively coordinated and consulted on their anti-Islamic State actions in Syria and they have had definite progress on fighting terrorism," Cheng said.

On November 19, IS said it executed a Chinese national in the Middle East with the Chinese Foreign Ministry shortly confirming the information. Meanwhile, on November 20 three Chinese executives were killed in Mali when Al Qaeda affiliated Islamist militants stormed a hotel.

Meanwhile, about 300 Chinese nationals are fighting alongside the IS in Iraq and Syria, Chinese state-run newspaper People’s Daily reported in November. Link

[backtoiam]

Great. More adjectives and nouns from SITE to slap together. Now we have Chinese Muslim Terrorists entering the picture. The ISIS magazine is pretty slick too. I don't understand why their videos are so bad but for some reason the alphabet agency videos have never been all that good. The Osama videos were so bad that it was pitiful.

[semper occultus]

Alice...sorry if this is a bit of a thread hi-jack but what is your take on the Bat Ye'or "phenomenon"....

...up until the 1980s, she was not accepted at all. In academic circles they scorned her publications.

Only when Bernard Lewis, Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, published the book 'Jews of Islam' with quotations from Bat Ye'or did they begin to pay any attention to her....

[AlicetheKurious]

Alice...sorry if this is a bit of a thread hi-jack but what is your take on the Bat Ye'or "phenomenon"....

...up until the 1980s, she was not accepted at all. In academic circles they scorned her publications.

Only when Bernard Lewis, Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, published the book 'Jews of Islam' with quotations from Bat Ye'or did they begin to pay any attention to her....

A bald-faced liar, spewing the kind of bullshit that only the terminally ignorant or malicious can swallow. Yet another variation on the Joan Peters hoax, of which 'they' seem to have an endless supply and tirelessly inflict on the world. It's not so hard, when you have clout, money and no shame at all.

[semper occultus]

...brief & to the point ! thanks

...I was certainly intrigued when I saw her list of celebrity endorsers...

[backtoiam]

The government has already boldly announced that it would be importing migrants and that there is a good chance that some of them could be terrorists. Add this to it. What could possibly go wrong?

Congressman Gohmert: Obama Lets Terrorist In To Buy Guns, All American Lose Guns, Says Obama should “get his head out of the hole”
Posted on December 9, 2015 by Misty

Investment Watch

In 2011 the Obama administration eliminated a 1998 restriction on the sale of guns to foreigners…

Released – Monday, December 26, 2011

The Obama administration has decided to eliminate a 1998 restriction on the sale of guns to foreigners, claiming federal law does not allow the government to have different gun-control rules for noncitizens.

In a letter to firearms dealers, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) said it would no longer require sellers to obtain proof from foreign buyers that they have lived in the state for 90 days. The rule was originally instituted after a disturbed Palestinian, 69-year-old Ali Abu Kamal, admitted to the United States on a legal nonimmigrant visa, bought a 380-caliber Beretta semiautomatic handgun in Florida and, on the observation deck of the Empire State Building in New York City, shot to death one person and injured six others.

http://www.allgov.com/news/us-and-the-w ... ews=843787

Released – DEC. 22, 2011

WASHINGTON — The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is relaxing restrictions on the sale of guns to noncitizens because Justice Department lawyers have concluded that the rules had no legal basis, officials said on Thursday.

In a letter to firearms dealers on Thursday, the bureau said it would soon drop a regulation that bars the sale of guns to noncitizens until they can document that they have lived in a state for at least 90 days, such as by producing three months of utility bills in their name at a local address.

While citizens, too, must generally be residents of a state in order to buy weapons there, the 90-day rule does not apply to them. The letter said the Justice Department had concluded that the Gun Control Act does not empower the A.T.F. to impose a stricter requirement on noncitizen gun buyers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/23/us/at ... .html?_r=0

“Illegal aliens can now claim Second Amendment rights to own guns in violation of federal law, according to a federal appeals court that completely ignored the primary reason for the right to bear arms: to give Americans citizens the right to remove a tyrannical regime from power.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -own-guns/

Congressman Gohmert: Obama Lets Terrorist In To Buy Guns, All American Lose Guns, Says Obama should “get his head out of the hole”

“How about instead if the president does his job – to protect Americans from all enemies foreign and domestic, and gets his head out of the hole (or wherever it is) and acknowledge that radical Islam is a problem”

[backtoiam]

No Brake and No Disclosure on Media Owners’ Interests
Posted on December 9, 2015 by Andrew Midkiff

Craig Murray, December 5, 2015

The Times today carries an article on ISIS’ oil interests, Syria and Turkey. Nowhere does it inform its readers that the owner of the newspaper, Rupert Murdoch, has a vested interest in this subject through his role and shares in Genie Energy, an Israeli company granted oil rights in Syria by the Israeli government. Dick Cheney and Lord Rothschild are also shareholders.

No, they really are. This is not a conspiracy theory. It is a conspiracy.

That Israel should grant oil rights within Syria is of course a striking example of contempt for international law, but then that is the basis on which Israel normally operates. Of course Genie’s share value will be substantially boosted by the installation of a neo-con puppet regime in Damascus which can be bought to underwrite the oil concession granted by Israel. Contempt for international law has been the single most important defining characteristic of neo-conservatism, and the need to uphold international law the recurring theme of this blog. I never thought the UK government would make the withdrawal of its support for the concept of international law explicit, as Cameron has done by removing the obligation to comply with international law from the Ministerial Code. That is truly, truly disgraceful.

But to return to Murdoch’s oil interests in Syria, it seems to me a fundamental flaw that when Fox News, Sky News, the Times, the Sun and Murdoch’s numerous other media outlets bang the drum for Western military action in Syria, there is no requirement for the consumer of this propaganda to be told that the outlet is pushing a policy in line with the financial interests of its owner. Even for those actively seeking information, there is no register of the interests of media proprietors.

It is a wonderful irony that there is a register of the interests of the board members of the Independent Press Standards Organisation, but no register of the interests of media proprietors!

This is not an accident. The Leveson Inquiry did receive evidence and questioned a witness – Dr Rowan Cruft of the University of Stirling – who suggested that a proprietor’s financial interest in a story should be revealed. Robert Jay, QC to the counsel asked:

Robert Jay

This is on your page 8, our page 00885. You say:
“First of all, the code could do more to require proprietors, editors and journalist to declare their financial and also their political interests and to declare these to readers as well as editors.”
I don’t think the code does anything to require proprietors, editors and journalist to do that.

Dr Rowan Cruft
That’s right.

Robert Jay QC goes on first to suggest any duty to declare financial interests should only apply to specifically financial journalists. He then moves quickly on to discuss the implications of declaring political interests of proprietors. Robert Jay QC is a clever man and he managed to avoid any discussion of the financial interests of proprietors whatsoever. Shortly after the Inquiry concluded, he was promoted by the Government to be a High Court Judge.

The Leveson Inquiry totally ignored the real rot in Britain’s media – the massive concentration of media ownership and its subservience to other corporate interests. The revised Code of Conduct which was its result does not contain any reference to proprietors’ interests even in the very limited context of writing about stocks and shares. A financial journalist has a duty to declare any interest which he or his family have in a company he writes about, but no duty to declare any interest of his proprietor – the person who is paying him to write.

If you think this is an accident, you are extremely naïve. It is just a tiny glimpse into one aspect of the UK’s extraordinarily dense web of elite corruption.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... interests/

[Elvis]

The government has already boldly announced that it would be importing migrants and that there is a good chance that some of them could be terrorists. Add this to it. What could possibly go wrong?


Congressman Gohmert: Obama Lets Terrorist In To Buy Guns, All American Lose Guns, Says Obama should “get his head out of the hole”
Posted on December 9, 2015 by Misty

Investment Watch

Where else have I seen this notion that warzone refugees are really "migrants" whom Obama is "importing"? Why is it no surprise you're posting from (but not linking to) a website that consistently loves Donald Trump, hates Muslims, thinks "Trump’s Proposal To Halt Muslim Immigration Is Prudent, Wise, Brilliant and Long Overdue," believes that "Trump Could Be One of Our Greatest Presidents," denies climate science, implies that blacks are dumber than whites, pushes the story that "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook," cries that an "increasingly unbalanced tax system" penalizes the rich who "should not have to pay more and more," promotes the Koch & Exxon-funded Competitive Enterprise Institute and other rightwing associations, whose articles might follow with a single reader comment asserting that "Obama is a muslim, fact," quotes Rush Limbaugh as a credible counter to remarks made by "Big Time Lib Barbara Boxer" and that defines itself as "the place for people who are pro-capitalism, pro-business, pro-market, truth seeker, and anti-MSM"?


Our hero. Bravely "defending RI" on multiple fronts since... Aug 31, 2015?

In the immortal words of B.B. King, "I think I got some help I don't really need."

[backtoiam]

Elvis i'm not sure why you think I agree with everything in the articles I post or the majority of the other content of the sites they come from. My point in post it is very simple.

The migrant issue is a hot news issue. The government has already intentionally planted the notion in the minds of the public that there could be "terrorists" among them. So now when a "terrorist" event happens "those terrorists" did it. Artificially manufactured terrorists events now have a cover story.

Elvis its not me planning to blame terrorists events on the migrants, its the government. All i'm doing is connecting the dots and putting them here because I can see this coming from a mile away.

[backtoiam]

Elvis Never assume I agree with the material in the articles I post. All i'm doing is linking narratives together for people to notice. I'm not sure if you understand how destructive narratives are crafted and what is getting ready to happen from all the dots I lay down but read between the lines bro. This is a nasty game and the people that read this site mostly understand how it works and its why they read this place. Learning to think backwards is an art.

[Elvis]

All i'm doing is connecting the dots and putting them here because I can see this coming from a mile away.

Sorry, I forgot about your mysterious perceptual superpowers, but my point is, your dots too often come from "red dot" mills like Investment Watch, which I described above. They all share the same tone, but Investment Watch is fascinating because along with the usual pro-corporate, "anticommunitarian" base, it draws in alienated conspiratainment and separationist/survivalist types, where they can soak in its Koch Brothers/Trump bubblebath. I think you should be making this discernment, but the connections you make all have this same ring to them.

[backtoiam]

Damn Elvis. If a narrative is in play its in play ok? I don't create them. I"m not posting these articles for my philosophical enjoyment of them dude. I have absolutely no appreciate for Donald Trump but I post articles about him. Elvis I don't know if you understand where the dots i'm laying down for you are going or not I can't tell. Are you paying attention to all these damn fake shootings or not? I don't care where the information comes from Elvis, its the information itself. I'm linking details. Just because I wanted slomo to be able to speak his peace without getting treated like shit doesn't even mean i agree with everything he said ok? Damn...

And further more I didn't start using "migrant" the news media did. Hell we can call em refugess or whatever. I don't care. They are getting played like a damn tool do you not understand that?

[backtoiam]

Well isn't this just wonderful. What will these freaks do next...

‘Hopefully, no nukes will be needed’ against ISIS – Putin
Posted on December 9, 2015
RT

Vladimir Putin has praised the Russian cruise missiles fired against terrorists in Syria from the sea. He expressed hope that these weapons would not have to be armed with nuclear warheads.

Meeting in the Kremlin with Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, who reported the latest results of the anti-Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) ops in Syria, the Russian president made a notable remark.

“We must analyze everything happening on the battlefield, how the weapons operate. The Kalibrs (sea based cruise missiles) and KH-101 (airborne cruise missile) have proved to be modern and highly effective, and now we know it for sure – precision weapons that can be equipped with both conventional and special warheads, which are nuclear,” Putin said.

“Naturally, this is not necessary when fighting terrorists and, I hope, will never be needed,” the president added.

DETAILS: Kalibr missiles were launched from Kilo-class diesel-electric sub 'Rostov-on-Don' https://t.co/VGp5W91ayG pic.twitter.com/1eQLXAjqhG

— RT (@RT_com) December 8, 2015

On Tuesday, a Russian Kilo-class submarine, the Rostov-on-Don, fired Kalibr-PL cruise missiles against an IS installation near the terrorists’ stronghold in Raqqa. Water-to-surface cruise missiles were launched from a submerged sub in the Mediterranean Sea, according to the Russian defense minister.

“We’ve been registering the missiles launches, flights and, of course, their hitting the targets,” Shoigu said. “We warned our Israeli and American colleagues about these launches.”

Kalibr and KH-101 cruise missiles have been deployed for the first time this year in Russia’s counter-terrorist operation in Syria.

https://www.rt.com/news/325178-putin-nu ... iles-isis/

[justdrew]

I think "isis" - as an army, is over. As an idea, it's a bit more problematic. but also probably about over. There are only so many people ready to throw their lives away, and it's not that expensive to offer "the yoof" some viable alternative.

[Harvey]

The message is getting through.

Veterans throw away their war medals in disgust at British air strikes in Syria

Matt Dathan, Online political reporter, Tuesday 8 December 2015, Independent.

British war veterans have thrown away their medals outside Downing Street in protest against the Government's decision to bomb Syria and to bust the “mythology” of heroism connected to the military.

Ex SAS soldier Ben Griffin, who led the Veterans for Peace protest on Tuesday, told The Independent that although difficult, discarding their medals was an important gesture to discourage future generations from aspiring to win war medals.

He had already binned his medal in the summer but joined the protest to discard an award of a disabled veteran who was unable to attend.

Mr Griffin, who won his medal for serving in Iraq, Afghanistan, Northern Ireland and Macedonia, said it was a “powerful” and “incredible experience,” adding: “These are things we once treasured, so it's a difficult thing to give away but we think it's really important that we do that – both in protest against this war but also because want to get rid of the mythology around these things.

“Lots of young kids are looking at these medals thinking 'oh wow, I'd want some of those' and we want to show 'look, this is what we think of them; we earned them and this is what we now think of them.”

Veterans for Peace is an organisation of ex-servicemen and women who have served in every war Britain has fought in since World War Two and among its missions is to "educate young people on the true nature of military service and war," while attempting to convince people that war is "not the answer to the problems of the 21st century".

Mr Griffin became opposed to British military intervention abroad after experiencing first-hand the situation in Iraq in 2005 and subsequently refused to serve.

The Special Forces veteran said Britain’s actions over the last 15 years had directly led to the formation of Isis, from its invasion in Iraq and intervention in Afghanistan and Libya.

"We've got to look at how Isis was caused. It was our attack in Iraq that led to the formation of Isis,” he said.

“Also, we've got to look at our allies - Saudi Arabia, who are fervent supporters of Isis and fund them; we’ve got to look at Turkey, who I've been led to believe are buying oil from Isis.

“So there are many things we can do - from looking at our relationship with Saudi and putting pressure on the Turks to stop buying the oil to reduce the effectiveness of Isis.

“But we've got to take a longer term view of this; every time we attack someone, every time we bomb somewhere and kill people, we create an enemy and Isis is the result of previous attacks so we've got to accept that and realise that bombing is not the answer; it's the cause.”

Mr Griffin was joined at the protest by fellow veterans Kirk Sollitt, Phil Mace and Dan Lenham outside Downing Street.