A hundred organized men on violent rampage in Stockholm.

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Postby American Dream » Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:07 pm

Reactionary racism and xenophobia are on the rise in parts of Europe, but so is anti-Fascism:

Belfast Anti-Fascists and AFA Ireland are calling on all activists, supporters and like minded individuals to travel to Dublin on February 6th to oppose this fascist group in their parties launching rally in Dublin. To put it simply Fuck Pegida. Fascists out!


Anti-Islamic group Pegida Ireland to be officially launched at rally in Dublin
Launch on February 6th designed to coincide with anti-Islam protests across Europe

IRISHTIMES.COM


https://www.facebook.com/BelfastAntifa/ ... 63?fref=nf
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Re: A hundred organized men on violent rampage in Stockholm.

Postby jakell » Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:56 pm

Anti-fascists need to think a bit more and realise that they never had it better than when they had the BNP as a focus (taking the UK as an example), and that since the demise of the BNP et al, it's a lot harder to keep track of the far right's movements and activities, and we see more incidents like those described in this thread.

Simply trying to stop them organising even the slightest political extension may be emotionally satisfying in the short term, but it's ultimately ineffective.
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Re: A hundred organized men on violent rampage in Stockholm.

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:08 am

Yeah, the rise of the far right and open fascists in Europe is happening because anti-fascists targeted the BNP! That was so mean and insensitive to the fragile mentalities of their support base. If only they'd have shut up and let those guys organize in peace!
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Re: A hundred organized men on violent rampage in Stockholm.

Postby jakell » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:03 am

JackRiddler » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:08 am wrote:
jakell » Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:56 pm wrote:Anti-fascists need to think a bit more and realise that they never had it better than when they had the BNP as a focus (taking the UK as an example), and that since the demise of the BNP et al, it's a lot harder to keep track of the far right's movements and activities, and we see more incidents like those described in this thread.

Simply trying to stop them organising even the slightest political extension may be emotionally satisfying in the short term, but it's ultimately ineffective.


Yeah, the rise of the far right and open fascists in Europe is happening because anti-fascists targeted the BNP! That was so mean and insensitive to the fragile mentalities of their support base. If only they'd have shut up and let those guys organize in peace!


I know what I'm talking about.

I also keep my mouth shut, (mostly), about things I have little experience of.
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Re: A hundred organized men on violent rampage in Stockholm.

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:55 pm

^^^^ You mean, you don't ask questions?
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Re: A hundred organized men on violent rampage in Stockholm.

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:39 am

Perhaps jakell means he has experience of fascist milieus, since he does purport to speak knowledgably on how the mean anti-fascist behavior toward the BNP has affected their growth. I don't know if as an observer - cop, perhaps - or participant, of course.

Just trolling here.
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Re: A hundred organized men on violent rampage in Stockholm.

Postby jakell » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:20 am

JackRiddler » Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:39 am wrote:Perhaps jakell means he has experience of fascist milieus, since he does purport to speak knowledgably on how the mean anti-fascist behavior toward the BNP has affected their growth. I don't know if as an observer - cop, perhaps - or participant, of course.

Just trolling here.


Yes, I've had a fair bit to say about this. Not as verbose as some might think necessary (especially here), but for practical purposes, one has to strike a balance.

In this case though it's pretty simple.. anti-fascist behaviour in the UK barely impacted on the growth (and decline) of the BNP.
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Re: A hundred organized men on violent rampage in Stockholm.

Postby jakell » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:25 am

Iamwhomiam » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:55 am wrote:^^^^ You mean, you don't ask questions?


Well, I try and ask the right questions, which is an art in itself. Often whilst searching for the right question, the 'conversation' has moved on and so it goes on the 'for another time' pile.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:00 am

PICTURES: PEGIDA UK Hold First March in Birmingham

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Re: A hundred organized men on violent rampage in Stockholm.

Postby jakell » Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:42 am

Interesting and relatively balanced article, and light on the usual sloganising. There's fair bit of local UK detail too which adds to the credibility.

I've recently been informed that the source of an article is considered by some here to more important than its content, so I expect they won't get past the Breitbart bit.
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Re: A hundred organized men on violent rampage in Stockholm.

Postby American Dream » Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:13 am

Every section of Society united as one to keep Fascist Racists off the streets of the Irish Capital today. Republican, Socialist, Independents, Non politically alligned and many members of the Immigrant community who came to make a new life for themselves in our great country.

A few Racist Nazis tried to make a presence on the streets of the capital attacking members of the immigrant community till the gathering on O`Connell street marched on these Nazis and pushed them out of the city


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Re: A hundred organized men on violent rampage in Stockholm.

Postby jakell » Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:29 am

^^^ Shallow kneejerk rubbish

jakell » Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:56 pm wrote:Anti-fascists need to think a bit more and realise that they never had it better than when they had the BNP as a focus (taking the UK as an example), and that since the demise of the BNP et al, it's a lot harder to keep track of the far right's movements and activities, and we see more incidents like those described in this thread.

Simply trying to stop them organising even the slightest political extension may be emotionally satisfying in the short term, but it's ultimately ineffective.


It's apparent how sustained and strong the attempts were made to provoke here, this is nothing at all to be proud of. At least the Birmingham event managed to maintain discipline for its duration.

Parallels can be seen with the Brighton 'symbols' observation I made too. although that was very likely unintentional and passive.
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Re: A hundred organized men on violent rampage in Stockholm.

Postby Karmamatterz » Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:35 am

I finally have some time to read and catch up on things. Really working hard at getting my post count jacked up here on RI.

"I've recently been informed that the source of an article is considered by some here to more important than its content, so I expect they won't get past the Breitbart bit."

Yes, quite ironic but true.

Anyhow...so what if there is a whiff of credibility to the reports that some male immigrates actually are raping women? Certainly the entire story can't be a fabrication. If one did enough research and combed through police logs as a good journalist would do they would find some facts. So let's just assume for the moment some immigrants are raping females in Europe.

Let's also assume any decent human deems rape as immoral and unacceptable to civilized society.

If we put these two things together why on Earth wouldn't some folks NOT protest?

Left, right, or in the middle why would it be wrong to criticize allowing a flood of immigrants in they are not vetted or have a tendency to treat women as cattle or property? I don't get it. I do get it's fun to poke at the fascists as they make themselves look like idiots, but I've been to plenty of anti-war and pro-choice rallies where people looked and talked like complete idiots as well.

So just assume there is some truth to the rapes, should folks just sit back and say nothing? And please....someone help me out here....why are there so many feminists barking to let more male Muslim immigrants into western nations? Do they not get these men tend to treat women just a tad different? Someone please fill in the blanks for me.
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Re: A hundred organized men on violent rampage in Stockholm.

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:47 am

"I've recently been informed that the source of an article is considered by some here to more important than its content, so I expect they won't get past the Breitbart bit."


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Re: A hundred organized men on violent rampage in Stockholm.

Postby jakell » Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:56 am

mentalgongfu2 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:47 pm wrote:
"I've recently been informed that the source of an article is considered by some here to more important than its content, so I expect they won't get past the Breitbart bit."


If you draw your water from a poisoned well, you're going to get sick.


Pretty bad analogy. Information is not water to be imbibed, it can be sifted very successfully and for as long as you like, and it doesn't make you sick, physically or mentally. If this were the case then RI would be very ill indeed, especially regarding sexual abuse.

I'm noticing that infection notion creeping in again.
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