Chip Berlet Caught Impersonating Anti-Zionist On Web

by **Sweejak** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:55 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Could you please explain something to me: where does this obsession with Israel, Jews and Zionists come from? I just don't get it. They are like 13-14 million worldwide. It's a tiny desert country with 6 million inhabitants. They constitute 2% of the population of the United States. Yet so many people are obsessed about them, seeing their supposed tentacles everywhere and behind everything. It's a mystery to me.<hr></blockquote> Indeed, maybe Prol can answer. Well lemme see, everytime Israel is mentioned, or a link is posted that implicates Israeli interference or complicity out comes the "Zionist deniers" who generally attack the messenger or the site it came from or otherwise try to get them to just shut up. Rarely is the evidence addressed and like I mentioned earlier that doing this is a stupid tactic because it looks like gatekeeping and covering up, hence it only increases suspicion. I'd like to suggest a poll to see how many on this board think the end all and be all is Israel.

by **proldic** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:09 pm

"I think it's because the Jews appear in positions of prominence..." -- only in certain select parts of the western world. Certainly not in Asia, or the Mideast, or Africa. So yes, when considering the (generally correct)stereotype (similar to Asian families) in terms of their value on education, I'd say it actually comes out not as WILDLY disproportionate as people are led to believe. And most certainly the idea that jews "dominate" these institutions is a well-constructed fantasy. One example is legendary "Jewish-Controlled" Hollywood. My personal research shows that most of the actual financiers (and let's not doubt that they're the ones with the ultimate final say on what gets made or not) are NOT jewish. One other thing: I'd like to adjust this line to "Additionally, the fact that they often (are) feature(d) prominently..."

by **robertdreed** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:31 pm

Another problem is the tendency to see "Jews" everywhere. For instance, note that no sooner did Justin Raimondo float the suggestion- ok, rumor- that Sibel Edmonds was possibly Jewish, than the notion was repeated as fact by various Internet commentators. Sibel Edmonds is NOT Jewish. I often find Raimondo's commentary to be on-point, but by floating assumptions like "Sibel Edmonds could be Jewish (and you know what that means)" in print, he places his credibility in jeopardy. And one's credibility is currency, in the profession of authentic journalism. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 8/17/05 9:11 pm

by **Dreams End** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:11 am

Sweejak said: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Well lemme see, everytime Israel is mentioned, or a link is posted that implicates Israeli interference or complicity out comes the "Zionist deniers" who generally attack the messenger or the site it came from or otherwise try to get them to just shut up. Rarely is the evidence addressed and like I mentioned earlier that doing this is a stupid tactic because it looks like gatekeeping and covering up, hence it only increases suspicion.<hr></blockquote> Are you simply not reading the posts? First off this thread is about a supposed crusader against the right who is pseudonymously posting anti-semitic material. The only assumption that can be made here is that he's attempting to entrap or discredit. As for your quote above, I think you are simply not paying attention. Several posters have acknowledged Israeli foreknowledge or even complicity of 9/11. We are simply trying to dismiss the intellectually lazy (at best) notions, that this somehow suggests Israel is behind everything that's happening (involvement does not indicate control...especially sole control) and that, no matter what the level of complicity, Israeli intelligence does not mean all Jews. A simplistic counterhypothesis is all we need to show that none of this "evidence" amounts to anything. Here it is: Israel is a client state doing the bidding of the US. I think that, too, is simplistic, but I think it does a better job of explaining all this "evidence." (evidence of what, anyway? If you aren't trying to say Jews run the world, what are you trying to get across?) I'd encourage readers of this thread to note comments on Jeff's last story. Note particularly this remark which comes after a long screed that blames the Holocaust on Jews working in league with Nazis: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Anonymous said... The above post by anonymous sounds to me like neo-nazi hate speech, more holocaust denial...the government of Israel has never harmed children who were not terrorists, suicide bombing, etc... The rebuilding of our temple will continue with or without the rest of the world, for Israel is at the center like the navel, the rest of the world doing our work like the arms, legs, hands, and feet. The modern Jew is the only free person on the planet with our refuge in the land of milk and honey... One day, it will not be such a secret that to be a Jew is to hold the true birthright...that even the lowliest of Jews is a King above all goyem.<hr></blockquote> Indeed, there is a cottage industry of such Jewish "confessions", beginning, naturally with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Coming immediately after a comment about Jewish culpability for the holocaust, well....I don't need to speculate....Jeff can check the IP's. Check it against Berlet's...just for laughs. There's another famous one...I think I saw it on Makow's site, where the interview goes on and then the interviewer, to "prove" the authenticity of the interviewees "jewishness" says something like: "And then he said something in a foreign language. It sounded like oi vey or something." Oh, he said "Oi vey"....well, that PROVES it. But I digress. But I can speculate with some certainty now that this site has been targeted. Sigh. The number of "Israel is behind it all" posts and "count the Jews" posts went way off the chart in the last couple of days. I do apologize for any of you "honest" anti-Semites who simply happened to show up here at the same time. It's not too easy to get banned here, but if you can't tell the difference between Israeli involvement and a secret Jewish cabal to run the world (which by way of my wife's family, I should have a part in by the way..and boy do I have a list of changes to recommend at the next committee meeting) then prepare to get jumped on. I think in general we best not feed the trolls, but we hate to leave certain assertions unanswered as that might be taken as agreement by newer readers. Proceed with caution is my only recommendation. We also should be aware, I guess, that people could show up here after learning all they know from whatreallyhappened.com or somewhere and simply have an honest belief that we have more to fear from Israel than our own narco-fascist/military-industrial-intelligence complex. I would rather engage in dialogue about that than toss out verbal grenades. It's just getting a little time consuming, though.

by **Qutb** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:27 am

Bethmex: Now you're just being silly. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>these defenders of Democracy, these on-our-side hunters of bad A-rab guys<hr></blockquote> Shees. I'm sure you didn't even bother to read my post, if you had you would have noted that I do suspect these Israelis may have been co-consirators. But the fact that they were also monitoring the Sears tower indicates, I think, that they didn't know exactly which tall building would be hit. For all we know, they may have been monitoring these and other buildings for days. Our side isn't necessarily our side, anyway. And our side is not necessarily a "defender of democracy". I think there is plenty of evidence that American intelligence agencies or factions within them were involved in 9/11. But I also think it is obvious that there was involvement of Muslim radicals, and of the intel services of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and quite possibly of those of other countries too. "We" and "they" have been on the same team before, in fact there are bits and pieces of evidence that indicate US support for Islamist groups never ceased after the admitted joint venture of the Afghan jihad. And, sure enough, Israel has been known to occasionally support Islamist elements. According to Victor Ostrovsky, Israel supported Islamic Jihad in Egypt in the 1980s, in an effort to destabilize the government of Hosni Mubarrak. "Al-Qaida" is a media caricature, and the "mad Arab in a cave" image of Osama Bin Laden is a fantasy, but you have to be extremely limited in your choice of reading material to believe that there is no such thing as Islamist terrorism, or that Osama Bin Laden doesn't exist. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>How meaty. By 'the hijackers', you are referring I presume to the 19 guys who aren't on the passenger registries half of whom are still alive...the guys with the stripper girlfriends who drink tough and leave Korans in bars and rental cars and who, best of all, have magic flameproof passports?<hr></blockquote> Yes, those guys. I understand you find it to be of no significance who they meet with. And if they had been meeting with Mossad agents, I s'pose that would have been equally uninteresting? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Israel, documented advanced notice of 9/11 and 7/7<hr></blockquote> Israel, one of 15 countries known to have warned US authorities about an impending terrorist attack in 2001. "Documented" advance notice of 7/7? There was a wire service story immediately after the bombings that claimed Netanyahu had been warned by the Scotland Yard just before the bombs went off. It was later retracted. Who knows if it was true or just a misunderstanding. Then there was a claim somewhere that Israeli intelligence had received information about the attack a couple of days in advance. Hardly "documented advance notice", but interesting nonetheless. Similar claims have been made about Saudi Arabia, by the way.

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