7/7 Dallas Shooting

[Cordelia]

^^Kinda unfair to Iam isn't it? He was just responding to Mac's endless torrent of abuse against anyone he deems inferior to his vast and superior intellect. Seriously, just look through this thread, or any of the other mass shooting threads and you will see Mac insulting, abusing and belittling everyone who disagrees with him on even the smallest detail.
I'll just come out and say it (and by all means, give me a week off too):

Mac is a fucking asshole.

Geez, this could lead to a shit storm. Is there any such thing as a forum poster fight thread to hurl obscenities and personal insults?

Never mind, I know it would be empty of course.



Edited to add ...........what if they don't come back?

[backtoiam]

Good luck Wombaticus Rex. You do a good job under difficult circumstances brother. It is a thankless job but you are appreciated bro.



https://youtu.be/QCO6smQrjJ8

[stickdog99]

^^Kinda unfair to Iam isn't it? He was just responding to Mac's endless torrent of abuse against anyone he deems inferior to his vast and superior intellect. Seriously, just look through this thread, or any of the other mass shooting threads and you will see Mac insulting, abusing and belittling everyone who disagrees with him on even the smallest detail.
I'll just come out and say it (and by all means, give me a week off too):

Mac is a fucking asshole.

How unfair everything is these days!

[Morty]

- I wonder how much the robot cost? I wonder if anyone is ever going to have to justify the decision to blow up a robot, rather than use a stun grenade or whatever?

- Maybe the "parking garage" term was used because the cops were a little embarrassed to admit that they detonated c4 inside a college building in order to terminate the suspect?

- At first glance I don't have a huge problem with the "pound of c4" issue. C4 seems to be a pretty "compact" explosive, with a small blast radius so it kills the baddie and doesn't do a huge amount of damage to the surrounds:

According to FractalSilence.com, a quarter of a kilo of C4 has a Blast Rating of 20 and a PEN of 6. Unlike grenades, the primary blast radius for C4 is only one meter (3.281 feet or 1.094 yards), and the secondary radius is only 2 meters (6.561 feet or 2.187 yards).

Each additional quarter kilo adds 5 to the Blast Rating, 1 to the PEN, increases the primary blast radius by a meter and the secondary by 2 meters.

Therefore a half kilo (1.1 lb) has a Blast Rating of 25, a PEN of 7 to a primary radius of 2 meters and a secondary radius of 4 meters..

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And most of the physical damage seems to have been the false ceiling being blown up, and landing on the ground. There seems to be a lot of volume to the building - tall ceilings, wide corridors - to absorb the impact of an explosion, so it doesn't necessarily seem incongruous that walls weren't completely obliterated and floors weren't collapsing as a result.

- Mac isn't a fucking asshole, it's just he's Scottish. (I remember someone commenting on (well known Scottish psychaitrist) R D Laing once, to the effect that "Ronnie wasn't an alcoholic, he was Scottish. Scots drink".)

[stefano]

I think of this one, when I find myself sucked into one of those arguments:

[Blue]

- I wonder how much the robot cost? I wonder if anyone is ever going to have to justify the decision to blow up a robot, rather than use a stun grenade or whatever?

- Maybe the "parking garage" term was used because the cops were a little embarrassed to admit that they detonated c4 inside a college building in order to terminate the suspect?

- At first glance I don't have a huge problem with the "pound of c4" issue. C4 seems to be a pretty "compact" explosive, with a small blast radius so it kills the baddie and doesn't do a huge amount of damage to the surrounds:
link

And most of the physical damage seems to have been the false ceiling being blown up, and landing on the ground. There seems to be a lot of volume to the building - tall ceilings, wide corridors - to absorb the impact of an explosion, so it doesn't necessarily seem incongruous that walls weren't completely obliterated and floors weren't collapsing as a result.

- Very good questions that no one wants to ask, even here.

- Embarrassed? Are you kidding me? The cops have brazenly shown that now in the US they are armed, ready and willing to act as a military force within the Homeland and in any civilian arena they please. They didn't just oopsie lob a grenade. They had robo-drone ready to go.

-The physical damage was a hella lot more than ceiling tiles. Did you even read this thread? The server room was demolished. The one where the college security camera tapes were. Sure is a big coincidence and is a huge thing for the school or anyone to have wiped out.

[Cordelia]

- I wonder how much the robot cost?

Information about the robot's make, cost, future use, etc. was posted somewhere here but it seems everything related to the thread's actual subject got lost in all the vituperation . Anyway, it was about $100,000. http://www.defenseone.com/technology/20 ... ts/129769/

At the time he was blown up, I heard on CBS radio that Johnson was told the robot was bringing him a cell phone (if true, the police lured him to reach for the bomb?)..........did anyone else hear that?

[Blue]

I hadn't heard that Cordelia. Wow, that's pretty sick to pretend to be negotiating with a C4 lure. We must become the terrorists in order to fight the terrorists, or um, something.

$100,000 doesn't sound exorbitant but considering that most municipalities in the US are suffering from cutbacks and layoffs it's not cheap.

[Burnt Hill]

- Mac isn't a fucking asshole, it's just he's Scottish. (I remember someone commenting on (well known Scottish psychaitrist) R D Laing once, to the effect that "Ronnie wasn't an alcoholic, he was Scottish. Scots drink".)

Close but those terms are not mutually exclusive.
He is a Scottish asshole- especially recently.
That we are enamored by his Scottish literary wit enables him to take things too far,
causing him to lose sight of the target and aim at his cohorts- which becomes unacceptable- therefore the vacation.

We all sort through the debris on our own terms in order to get to the "truth".
I don't use the same methods as others, but I still listen.
In fact, aren't we all here because we are listening?

[Burnt Hill]

I hadn't heard that Cordelia. Wow, that's pretty sick to pretend to be negotiating with a C4 lure. We must become the terrorists in order to fight the terrorists, or um, something.

$100,000 doesn't sound exorbitant but considering that most municipalities in the US are suffering from cutbacks and layoffs it's not cheap.

The perp was actively attempting to kill them.
The request for a new cell gave them the opportunity to negotiate the "brick" corner safely with their new toy robot,
and blast him to death, a fitting fate for an active murderer.

Yes this aligns with the official story, which I need to understand before I can put together the plot holes in a reasonable manner.
That's just a method. It does not make me a LEO apologist.

The misplaced funding I fully agree with, but that's another story.

[Morty]

Hey, all. $100,000 is on the lower end of what I would have guessed it'd cost. When you take into account the extra worker's compensation claims that could have resulted if they'd risked life and limb to take him down, blowing up the robot might even make good economic sense.

But I don't know, in the good old days if the cops were determined that the criminal wasn't going to make it out alive, they'd also be equally determined to do the job with their own hands - sending in an exploding robot just wouldn't have had the same emotional reward. The world certainly is a changing...

[Burnt Hill]

Hey, all. $100,000 is on the lower end of what I would have guessed it'd cost. When you take into account the extra worker's compensation claims that could have resulted if they'd risked life and limb to take him down, blowing up the robot might even make good economic sense.

But I don't know, in the good old days if the cops were determined that the criminal wasn't going to make it out alive, they'd also be equally determined to do the job with their own hands - sending in an exploding robot just wouldn't have had the same emotional reward. The world certainly is a changing...

Yep, it must have been somewhat dissatisfying.
And it appears the percussion killed him, he wasn't rendered.
Also, the robot made it out with minimal damage.
Brave New World Indeed.

[Pele'sDaughter]

- I wonder how much the robot cost?

Information about the robot's make, cost, future use, etc. was posted somewhere here but it seems everything related to the thread's actual subject got lost in all the vituperation . Anyway, it was about $100,000. http://www.defenseone.com/technology/20 ... ts/129769/

At the time he was blown up, I heard on CBS radio that Johnson was told the robot was bringing him a cell phone (if true, the police lured him to reach for the bomb?)..........did anyone else hear that?

Yes, I do remember hearing that, but at the moment I can't find a quote. The robot aspect of this reminded me of the movie Eye-Borgs. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1043844/

[Elihu]

Yep, it must have been somewhat dissatisfying.
And it appears the percussion killed him, he wasn't rendered.
Also, the robot made it out with minimal damage.

if you believe that's what happened

[Burnt Hill]

Yep, it must have been somewhat dissatisfying.
And it appears the percussion killed him, he wasn't rendered.
Also, the robot made it out with minimal damage.

if you believe that's what happened

Sure, that's a big if.
I think it reflects the official/media reports fairly well.
Minus the "dissatisfying" part.