Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

[stickdog99]

[stickdog99]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ooter.html

[Elvis]

I don't think I've ever seen Ellen on TV! I've only seen many photos of her on the Internet, and one hears about her all the time.

(Is that what TV is like now? Ellen and that GMA promo thing? Who is that woman? Good grief! It's no wonder Donald Trump is POTUS.)


This whole business is starting to look fishier and fishier.

[stickdog99]

https://oddshot.tv/s/Of7g_0

[SonicG]

(Is that what TV is like now? Ellen and that GMA promo thing? Who is that woman? Good grief! It's no wonder Donald Trump is POTUS.)


This whole business is starting to look fishier and fishier.

Um, yes and yes...I'm actually too frightened to watch the video but from what I have seen with those types of studio audiences is a very AMWAY or even Scientology, no matter how "liberal" Ellen or whoever may be...underlying.underlying.underlying...

[km artlu]

Props to you slad for the Coulter piece. I have the impression that you're very distant from her in political orientation and it's to your credit that it apparently had no influence on your assessment of her presentation.

The clarity of Coulter's focus on the absurdity of video poker as a source of income cuts through the fog of lies very neatly. I'm one among many people worldwide who, with only a basic knowledge of casino gambling, instantly saw this for the lie that it is. For a great many people the claim that Paddock made big money playing video poker is like telling them that their cars run on cream cheese.

What happens when the narrative of a pivotal event has in its supporting foundation such pure bullshit that's immediately obvious to many, many people? Does it even matter any more? Will it trigger a greater scope of critical thinking in some people not otherwise inclined to question authority? If so, so what?

We can all cite similar flimsy components within various 'terror' events of recent years. It becomes difficult to believe that these are all evidence of serial ineptitude. They begin to appear as more likely purposeful.

[elfismiles]

Yeah, I think we're all a little over AC's focus; even Hopsicker:

This isn’t easy, but it must be said: Professional conservative Ann Coulter deserves credit for being the first to deride explanations describing Stephen Paddock as a successful full-time gambler, which she found too ludicrous for words. On that we agree, probably for the first and last time. She’s onto something. It’s as if the New York Times never heard of using casinos for money laundering.

“Sure looks like he was laundering money. It is statistically impossible to be a consistent net winner at video poker. Like every game in Vegas, the odds are fixed for the house. If someone knows how you can beat the house at video poker, let us in on it. “

http://www.madcowprod.com/2017/10/17/ve ... espotting/

Props to you slad for the Coulter piece. I have the impression that you're very distant from her in political orientation and it's to your credit that it apparently had no influence on your assessment of her presentation.

The clarity of Coulter's focus on the absurdity of video poker as a source of income cuts through the fog of lies very neatly. I'm one among many people worldwide who, with only a basic knowledge of casino gambling, instantly saw this for the lie that it is. For a great many people the claim that Paddock made big money playing video poker is like telling them that their cars run on cream cheese.

What happens when the narrative of a pivotal event has in its supporting foundation such pure bullshit that's immediately obvious to many, many people? Does it even matter any more? Will it trigger a greater scope of critical thinking in some people not otherwise inclined to question authority? If so, so what?

We can all cite similar flimsy components within various 'terror' events of recent years. It becomes difficult to believe that these are all evidence of serial ineptitude. They begin to appear as more likely purposeful.

[seemslikeadream]

I have to say I did not post AC I think SonicG did......but I did post this


on EDIT...I guess I did post it

whatever...carry on

Was Las Vegas shooter using gambling to launder money? A lot points in that direction


Published: Sat, October 14, 2017 @ 12:00 a.m.
By Ann Coulter

Andrews McMeel Syndication

Now the media are just taunting us with their tall tales about Stephen Paddock, the alleged Las Vegas shooter. Reputedly serious news organizations are claiming that he made a living playing video poker. That’s like claiming someone made a living smoking crack.

The media are either doing PR for the gambling industry or they don’t want anyone considering the possibility that Paddock was using gambling to launder money.

NBC News reports, with a straight face: “Las Vegas gunman earned millions as a gambler.” A Los Angeles Times article is headlined, “In the solitary world of video poker, Stephen Paddock knew how to win.” The story says that Paddock’s gambling “was at least a steady income over a period of years.”

I don’t know all the ins and outs of Paddock’s life, but that’s a lie.

Billionaire owners

How do reporters imagine casino owners make a living? Any ideas on how all those glorious lobbies, lights, pools and fountains are paid for? How do they think Sheldon Adelson and Steve Wynn became billionaires if gambling is a winning proposition for people like Paddock – and therefore, by definition, a losing proposition for the casinos?

The media think about money the way Democrats do. They have absolutely no conception of where it originates. Those casino owners sure are generous! reporters think to themselves.

Economist Thomas Sowell is always ridiculing journalists for not understanding basic economics. It turns out, they don’t understand the spreadsheet of a lemonade stand.

The New York Times explained that the “top” video poker machines pay out 99.17 percent. That’s great that Paddock was only losing cents on the dollar (if true), but it’s still losing. The Times quickly explained that he could have more than made up his losses with all the “comps” – the free rooms, meals and “50-year-old port that costs $500 a glass,” as his brother Eric said.

Gamblers who are beating the house are not given $500 glasses of port. Refer to the profit/loss spreadsheet. And yet, according to his brother, Paddock was treated like royalty by the casinos. Which means he was losing.

Apart from outright theft, the only way to have an advantage over the casino is by card-counting. That’s not cheating, and it doesn’t guarantee a win. It merely allows the gambler to make a more educated guess as each card is played, thereby tilting the odds ever so slightly in his favor. Still, if the casinos suspect a customer is counting cards, he will be promptly escorted off the premises.

Net loser

And counting cards only helps with blackjack. Paddock’s game of choice was video poker. That’s a computer! It’s programmed to ensure the house wins. Not all the time, but at least often enough to make casino owners multibillionaires. Anyone who plays video poker over an extended period of time will absolutely, 100 percent, by basic logic, end up a net loser.

So why are the media insistent that Paddock was getting rich by playing video poker?

I don’t know what happened – and, apparently, neither do the cops – but it’s kind of odd that we keep being told things that aren’t true about the Las Vegas massacre, from the basic timeline to this weird insistence that Paddock made a good living at gambling.

The most likely explanation is that the reporters and investigators are incompetent nitwits. But the changing facts from law enforcement and preposterous lies from the press aren’t doing a lot to tamp down alternative theories of the crime.

Among the questions not being asked by our wildly incurious media:

Why would Paddock unload 200 rounds into the hallway at a security guard who was checking on someone else’s room before beginning his massacre?

How can it possibly take eight days to figure out when the alleged shooter checked into the hotel?

Why was Paddock wearing gloves if he was about to commit suicide?

Have any other solitary mass shooters ever had girlfriends?

If Paddock wasn’t making money on video poker – and he wasn’t – why would he be cycling millions of dollars through a casino, turning every dollar into, at best, 99 cents?

Maybe Paddock enjoyed video poker. But if the allegedly serious media are going to keep telling us he was making a living doing it, they’re just begging us to say that losing a percent or two on millions of dollars doesn’t make sense as an investment strategy, but it does make sense as a money laundering operation.

Illegal gun sales

And the probable illicit business requiring money to be laundered that leaps out at us in Paddock’s case is illegal gun sales. If true, it would not only explain the arsenal in his hotel room, but also raises the possibility of either an accomplice or different perpetrator altogether.

If this were a movie script, a terrorist would go to Paddock’s room on the pretense of buying guns, kill Paddock, commit the massacre, put his gunshot residue-covered gloves on Paddock’s dead hands and slip out of the room when the coast was clear.

According to the all-new timeline given by the Las Vegas police – pending a third revision – this is at least possible. The hallway was empty, except for a bleeding security guard down by the elevators, for at least two minutes after the shooting stopped. The stairwell was clear for more than half an hour. It also explains the gloves.

There’s no evidence for any of this, but on the other hand, there’s no evidence for the version the media are giving us. At least the movie script version doesn’t require us to pretend that Paddock was making “millions” from video poker.

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send lawyers, gun runners and money laundering

I wonder how much Ellen helps/profits with their laundry as other lowlife Las Vegas mobsters do

How a Chinese Company Laundered Millions Using Las Vegas Slot Machines
https://www.theatlantic.com/china/archi ... es/274126/

FinCEN Fines Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort $10 Million for Significant and Long Standing Anti-Money Laundering Violations
https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releas ... t-and-long

Caesars Palace fined $9.5M for lax money laundering scrutiny
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/caesars ... /230744023

Las Vegas Sands resolves laundering case with $47 million deal
http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/27/news/co ... index.html

Sheldon Adelson’s Sands Casino to pay $47 million fine for failing to report deposits from alleged drug trafficker
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1439489

Money Laundering Defense Lawyer in Las Vegas NV - The Defenders
thedefenders.net/money-laundering
Have you been arrested and charged with money laundering? We can help
http://thedefenders.net/expertise/money-laundering/

Former Casino Employee Indicted for Money Laundering
https://patch.com/nevada/lasvegas/forme ... laundering

[elfismiles]

ETA:

How did Ellen blow it?
Degeneres airs eight-minute interview with Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos who holds key to Vegas shooting timeline riddle but completely FAILS to get an answer

* Jesus Campos, the Mandalay Bay security guard who first alerted police to the Vegas gunman, appeared on Ellen for his first and only interview Wednesday
* Campos recalled the night of the shooting, and spoke about how he is coping
* Ellen did not press him on the official timeline of the shooting, which has changed three times since the massacre
* MGM, which owns the Mandalay, has disputed the official timeline, which insinuated they may have waited six minutes to call cops
* Police later changed the timeline again, saying that Campos immediately called in the shooting as soon as he was injured
* At the end of the interview, Ellen presented Campos and his co-worker, who was also shot at, with a $25,000 check for the Las Vegas Victims' Fund
* Campos booked interviews with all the major networks last week before cancelling at the last minute and disappearing
* He resurfaced Tuesday when Ellen announced he was coming on her show

By Ashley Collman For Dailymail.com and Emily Crane For Dailymail.com
Published: 17:48 EDT, 18 October 2017 | Updated: 09:41 EDT, 19 October 2017
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ooter.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ooter.html

[seemslikeadream]

OMG!!!

It is all Ellen's fault now...just how many people did she kill

and of course she is a BIG TIME Las Vegas money launderer...I wonder if she knows Sheldon?

Did the FBI order her to mask their involvement in the massacre?

[Iamwhomiam]

I have no idea how anyone can be under the false impression that Paddock's gambling winnings were derived from him playing slot machines. Nowhere was that reported.

What was reported was that he was a high-stakes gambler playing card games with $25K and more for buy-ins and was very successful winning very large amounts in single games.

Also reported was Paddock's many hours, (14 was mentioned), spent continually playing slots, with no mention of any great pay-outs of wins.

That celebrity comedian Ellen has some interest in LV slot machines and in some way is part and parcel to some supposed conspiracy to commit the largest fatality count of any mass shooting before is perverse.

I'm not sure she "owns" the machines or whether she was paid a licensing fee by their manufacturer to have the games feature her image.

[Brentos]

I have no idea how anyone can be under the false impression that Paddock's gambling winnings were derived from him playing slot machines. Nowhere was that reported.

What was reported was that he was a high-stakes gambler playing card games with $25K and more for buy-ins and was very successful winning very large amounts in single games.

Thanks for this. I should of double checked the sources, since I honestly do not remember reading that he made all his money on gambling either, except via hopsicker. Still possible that he was laundering money.

[seemslikeadream]

laundering money and gun running ...that's what he was doing in that hotel room...he wasn't there to kill anyone

and the FBI surely knows more about him

[Brentos]

laundering money and gun running ...that's what he was doing in that hotel room...he wasn't there to kill anyone

and the FBI surely knows more about him

Oh yeah, this is very much what I suspect too.

[seemslikeadream]

what could possibly happen when a gun deal goes wrong