A Need to know basis.

[thoughtographer]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Of course you stopped reading there because there's no answer other than feigned moral outrage.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>My outrage is real, but has nothing to do with morality. If you can use the term "truth" and be free from such accusations, then I can call you on justifying a lie to suit your needs (or wants). I feel like I'm stuck in an electronic anarchist bookmobile half the time I read this bullshit.<br><br>Surely you would prefer real, violent outrage? You won't get it from me. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 4/14/06 2:02 am<br></i>

[stickdog99]

Where did I use the term "truth"?<br><br>What exactly is eating you about what I posted? <p></p><i></i>

[thoughtographer]

You didn't use it here, but you have, and will. This is not a high school debate -- it's real life. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>

[stickdog99]

The whole point of my post is that the Truth about 9/11 (criminal negligence at best) isn't as important as the Consequences of 9/11.<br><br>I'm not sure if my point went over your head, if you'd rather simply avoid it because you aren't prepared to answer it or if you're merely suffering from cognitive dissonance.<br><br>So let me restate my position: Considering all the heinous shit that's been done in the name of the 9/11, why doesn't anybody who still believes the official conspiracy theory at least have the common decency to keep quiet about it? <p></p><i></i>

[thoughtographer]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The whole point of my post is that the Truth about 9/11 (criminal negligence at best) isn't as important as the Consequences of 9/11.<br><br>I'm not sure if my point went over your head, if you'd rather simply avoid it because you aren't prepared to answer it or if you're merely suffering from cognitive dissonance.<br><br>So let me restate my position: Considering all the heinous shit that's been done in the name of the 9/11, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>why doesn't anybody who still believes the official conspiracy theory at least have the common decency to keep quiet about it?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Indeed, the approach you're using right now is one of those consequences. How can you not have seen that I already understand what you're saying? Yes, yes, I can see what the U.S. government and others are doing, and I don't like it. Can you see yourself as a part of anything besides an imaginary, inept resistance? I guess you don't participate in the world beyond just fucking reacting to it. Like I already said: these things are not a direct result of the events of September 11th, 2001, and you would be wise to make an effort to understand that.<br><br>You can make vague stabs at my capacity for comprehension and assume that I'm a victim of "cognitive dissonance" all you want. I got your point, loud and clear. It's not like it's a challenge to understand, so don't go jerking yourself off over your own perceived brilliance. I don't have to prove anything to you or play by the same pantomimic rules you adhere to; so don't blame me if you can't understand what I'm saying because you're too blinded by your own awe at the complex probabilities involved in the actual facts of the matter.<br><br>Your position? That's funny. Don't cry oppression and then turn around in the next breath and call for people to have the "common decency" to stifle their own opinions. Nobody should be responsible to keep their mouth shut just to support what <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>you</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> think is the right way to go about things. At no point did I say that I believe any "official" theories -- I don't. If I did, you can bet that I wouldn't be frequenting a forum like this -- I do understand the concepts of decency, and more importantly: futility. You're the one calling for people to fabricate a consensus theory within the community for the sake of some pipe dream of unity which would, in fantasy land -- become the "official" theory. So really, it seems that your aspirations aren't too different from those you rightfully despise.<br><br>To me, it looks like you're the one who lacks a sense of decency, or at the very least, patience and integrity.<br><br>Keep restating your opinion if it makes you feel better. I'm not asking you to shut up. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>

[stickdog99]

What exactly did you just say?<br><br>That I'm a fascist for pointing out that all actions have political consequences?<br><br>That I'm naive for thinking that questioning 9/11 anomalies is helpful because -- through some higher thoughtographic process that you can't or won't describe -- you've determined that shutting down questioning of 9/11 anomalies is actually the way to go?<br><br>That there is some overall pattern to stuff that only yodas like you are able to comprehend that I (and the rest of us young Jedis) are too dense to realize that actually makes rationally questioning 9/11 anomalies counterproductive?<br><br>Or is it the whole idea of even ascribing to any system of ethics in which personal actions are related to their political consequences in any manner whatsoever that you find so atrociously naive?<br><br>Do share some of your secret higher wisdom with your faithful initiates, thoughtographer!<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=stickdog99>stickdog99</A> at: 4/14/06 8:41 pm<br></i>

[thoughtographer]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Do share some of your secret higher wisdom with your faithful initiates, thoughtographer!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Maybe you haven't noticed, but I'm not very popular around here. Anyway, as I said before, I'm not going to fill out your questionnaire. I will answer to your general theme though; my answer is:<br><br>"MAYBE". <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>

[antiaristo]

slim,<br>coming back to your original idea.<br>It's something that might well happen after the apocalypse. When the survivors are trying to bring some order out of chaos.<br>But it won't come from where we are right now.<br><br>So I'd like to propose something different.<br>Invert the time allocation.<br><br>The trouble with "democracy" as it exists is that our "representatives" do not know us. They spend all their time together, not with us.<br><br>As a result they "go native" - native to Westminster and Whitehall.<br><br>And it is really no longer necessary.<br><br>The idea that each community sends a representative to a central location grew out of ancient conditions.<br>When travel was by stagecoach, and the fastest form of communication was by carrier-pigeon.<br><br>There is no reason at all why our representatives cannot live amongst the people.<br>They could spend five days a week in their constituency, and two days a week in the capital.<br>They can stay in touch electronically.<br><br>But it won't happen. Because THEY don't want it.<br>They don't want us to know how they live, who they consult and how theu carry out their responsibilities as a representative of the people.<br><br>If I had the power THIS is the change I would force.<br>And make them accountable to us on a daily basis.<br>Of every week, every month, every year.<br><br>It's the only way to keep them honest. <p></p><i></i>

[anotherdrew]

oh hell...<br><br> slimmouse, I had you confused with someone else...<br><br>who's tag starts with s<br><br> nevermind <p></p><i></i>

[petron]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If I dont explain what you want to know, let me tell you all about it on the next bus home <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I think it goes:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>If I don't explain what you ought to know<br>You can tell me all about it<br>On, the next Bardo</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>From the Bowie tune "Quicksand"<br><br>Full lyrics <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/davidbowie/quicksand.html">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>I love the way the tune starts:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>I'm closer to the Golden Dawn<br>Immersed in Crowley's uniform<br>Of imagery<br>I'm living in a silent film<br>Portraying<br>Himmler's sacred realm<br>Of dream reality <br><br></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>