Was the Titanic Sunk On Purpose?

by **winsomecowboy** » Fri May 19, 2006 4:39 pm

It doesn't take a great height or much learned opinion to see th.e self serving hypocracy for what it is When others do it, it's hyperbolic nonsense, but when you do it , even if it has a high noise to signal ratio 'garbage 'I think you termed it then its justified by the fact that your content is a product of your environment. You delude yourself if you believe that fairly average sarcasm and aggressive yet transparent cheap shots are anything more than noise others often cannot be bothered to engage. (I speak for myself, I'm making an exception here) The robust, hurley burley of intellectual discourse in many instances is merely a mask used by sharp tongued bullys exploiting the fact that they are in that vast membership if the 50% of the pop thats above average. By all means continue producing garbage when driven to by others but bear in mind that I'm not so unique as to be alone in my frustration and boredom at your lack of effort. You may begin feigning indifference by spending time at your keyboard....now.

by **PeterofLoneTree** » Fri May 19, 2006 4:49 pm

"I have a fairly strong suspicion that there are any number of would-be contributors who have interesting/strange reports to tell, but remain quiet because some of you more robust souls are loudly and brashly (not neccesarily a bad thing to be loud and brash) throwing high speed fastballs at everyone." -- rothbardian Fucking-Ay-Tweet! You're right on the money with that observation.

by **thoughtographer** » Fri May 19, 2006 5:05 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>By all means continue producing garbage when driven to by others but bear in mind that I'm not so unique as to be alone in my frustration and boredom at your lack of effort.<hr></blockquote> I don't need you to remind me of that. Why do you think we're even having this (for lack of a better term) discussion? It looks like everyone on here takes transparent and aggressive cheap shots from where I'm sitting. The reciprocal back-patting, self-congratulation and me-tooism around here is equally transparent to me, and if more people actually noticed these things, maybe it would become more obvious to everyone how those tactics are equally counterproductive to discussion. I'm not trying to win a sarcasm contest or impress anyone here -- I'm speaking my opinions as they come to me, and definitely come off like an asshole more often than not to more sensitive people. I'd be worried about this if I were here to make friends, but I'm not. I said that rothbardian's advice was good, and if you would give me a little time to absorb it instead of making your best effort to impress those who agree with you by making me seem your intellectual inferior -- maybe I'd be inclined to use that advice sooner rather than later. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>You may begin feigning indifference by spending time at your keyboard....now.<hr></blockquote> I don't play those games, but if you want to make predictions, then be prepared to be wrong. I actually do care, which is why I'm "spending time" at my keyboard in the first place. I'm not here to please you. Take stabs at me whenever you like, but don't demand a response and then expect me to be on the defensive just because you tried to set me up. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/19/06 3:47 pm

by **antiaristo** » Fri May 19, 2006 6:38 pm

rothbardian (and winsome), Thank you for your kind words. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>That sounds like a nice compliment and I thank you for the encouragement. And you're also right about antiaristo, I believe. We should all doff our hats to anti, for all the suffering he has gone through and is going through, in opposing the PTB (powers that be) in Great Britain. I don't quite understand the out-of-hand rejection his reports (of organized criminal activity) receive from a number of people here. We have a powerful evil cabal in the US...why can't the Brits have their own evil cabal? He's just trying to keep his story in some kind of public forum...and he keeps getting slapped down for it. He's got a family he's trying to fight for. Can some of these people here, not add up a simple set of facts like that?<hr></blockquote> I'm greatly cheered that you understand. Very few have expressed any form of sympathy for my plight. Less than ten. My daughter made contact with me here on this board a few months ago ("rustyfork"), and it was wonderful. But first and foremost is my duty to protect her from that cabal. This was her final message. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:33:28 +0100 HTML del mensaje: Why is that all your life you have just ran away? and not faced upto your responsibilites? your the worst father i know. i wish i had a father like my friends have so much just someone to be there for me. when have you ever been there for me? or ever tried to be never...i even gave you the chance to regain something with me but i have lost all faith of anything in you. i wanted to find out things about you myself and not listen to every person that said bad things about you. I ve always done it never judged until i know. you have let me down majorly i doubt you will feel any guilt at all because you dont love me you never have or never will. its all ive ever wanted a 'fathers love' like you say but when have you ever tried to do that? Ypu dont care about me at all its all just words to you with out any meaning. This means nothing to me anymore ive clung on with hope for so many years. But now you have shown me your true character. You just run away and are a coward. You ever heard the phrase actions speak louder than word. Well let me tell you something when have you ever given me any actions to show you love me?All these years its been the daughter chasing after her father, not listening to anyone that stops her and trying to find out for herself. I cannot put into words how betrayed i feel by you. I have done all the chasing and your the adult in this now. I have never listened to those bad words or ever done anything wrong. What have i done wrong as a daughter?More than anything in the world you need to face upto your responsibilites thats Georgia and I. But you wont you say your radio active and just use excuses all the time. You will never come face up to us or do anything for us. Do you know how worthless as a person you make me feel? But again you wont care becuase you have more important things in your life. We will always mean nothing to you and have never come first like we are meant to do.You should be giving us love and support not doing what ever you are doing and living here in the UK. You should also financially support us. but you wont ever do so cause you live on 'charity'. I dont believe that for a moment anymore you cant live off just that you need to be earning something. you just dont want us or responsibilites or to provide for us. My mum shouldn't have to do it all. But still after you doing all this i was willing to give you a chance. But no all you do is throw it back in my face. Showing once and proving them all right that you dont care about us. This has hurt me so much. Well done mission accomplished. I hope your happy with yourself. Victoria C<hr></blockquote> Doing what I do here is my only hope for ever getting back Victoria and her sister. It keeps me (somewhat) sane. When I post my ideas I always make it clear that I would be delighted to be wrong. I INVITE others to challenge my facts and logic. But they never do that. They smear, they lie, they falsify and ridicule. When I challenge them to take me on in terms of debate, they "have no interest" or "don't understand". It's the hallmark of those who fear the truth.

by **thoughtographer** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:38 pm

Well, that's a conversation stopper if I ever saw one. I'm truly sorry to hear about your troubles, antiaristo -- especially since they involve your family. That's something I think we can all relate to on a fundamental level, at the very least. Still, I don't really see what that has to do with the discussion here. Just because you invite people to a party and they don't show up doesn't mean they're all having a party elsewhere to spite you. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **antiaristo** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:41 pm

thoughtographer, You've never dissed me in any way. I thought the thread was dying anyway. If I did shut anybody out, I'm sorry. I'm not sure I understand your analogy. I guess I posted for several reasons, but the relevant one is this. What I have posted is not a "theory". Something to be airily dismissed by pseudo-academics. It is my life experience. More than twelve years of hand to hand combat with THE enemy. If anybody wants to take me on in facts or logic, I say "bring it on". In the humblest way. Because I WANT to be wrong. But I'm not having that creep diss our sacrifice on the basis of his "professional opinion".

by **thoughtographer** » Sun May 21, 2006 12:12 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I'm not sure I understand your analogy.<hr></blockquote> I'm not entirely sure that I do either, but I'll try. I suppose I was speaking to your comment about inviting people to take on your facts and logic. I don't think I really know your story at all; I either missed the big picture in the details I've seen, or require a more simplistic synopsis than others. Anyway, I know what it's like to have a world view that other people can't see or understand for one reason or another. It's frustrating to say the very least, though I can't fault people for not trying (not showing up to the party) and moving forward with their lives. I can't even fault them for making jokes, because regardless of whether you have facts in hand or not, you've got to get initial reactions out of the way and that always includes jokes and incredulity. Sometimes, those initial reactions stick and never go away, but there's always the chance to change someone's mind later and I try to keep that (at least) in the back of my mind. Unless someone's actively campaigning against me or entering into harassment territory, I try to let go of my anger as quickly as possible, lest it interfere with how I deal with the people that are close to me. Sometimes, holding onto too much rejection can make you feel like you'll explode with rage at the first whiff of disbelief -- until you realize that nobody's seen what you've seen, and never will. Some will come close to understanding, but they'll never have your experience, nor will they ever have the same level of interest. Shit, the one time I even made vague hints around here regarding certain personal experiences I've had, "slimmouse" treated me in a manner I can only call "odd", because I expressed my belief in a need to exercise caution in absorbing ideas from "fringe" resources because they're often quite dangerous when approached haphazardly. Given that even the government(s) of the world actively engage in the age old tradition of "poisoning the well", I don't think anyone can reasonably argue against that -- but since there's never a true consensus on what constitutes a "reasonable" argument for or against something, arguments will (and do) always happen. I'm not picking on "slimmouse" here, but simply trying to relate that I can understand your frustration. Sorry, this is totally convoluted and probably amounts to a whole lot of nothing, but it's what I've got right now. I hope none if this seems condescending, because I have a hard time determining my own tone most of the time, but you have my word that it's not. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **rothbardian** » Sun May 21, 2006 1:49 am

While I might like to keep my little thread going for at least a little longer, I don't have much problem with a little interlude for a brokenhearted father. I have a couple little ones myself. There is in fact a lot of personal tragedy represented on this board. That one poster "sw" had me completely broken down, describing a childhood of RA, where she was stuffed in a box, shoved down a hill into a body of water where she waited for a death "that never came". Thoughtog-- I think he's more concerned with a rejection of his overall thesis (the existence of a criminal PTB in Great Britain)...than whether people are too bored to read his voluminous contributions. I, myself, find that kind of out-of-hand rejection rather bizarre also, in the light of 9/11 if nothing else. My impression has been that his significant volumes of info are more about..at least getting his stuff on the record somehow A kind of data dump. I agree partially though-- the down side is that most of us 'regular Joes' need the Reader's Digest condensed version. In fact, I'm starting another thread (brief though it might be, to finally ask 'anti' some questions.) P.S. I'm interested in any 'odd' stories you might have ,thotog...but like you just implied-- you have to count the cost. Some skeptics like to exact a price. Hey, I myself came from a family in whose 'pre-Christian' era it was not unusual to, for example, hover kitchen tables in mid-air. How's that for 'unusual'?

by **antiaristo** » Sun May 21, 2006 10:27 am

thoughtographer, I have my own take on the "Garden of Eden" story. My interpretation is that everything will be given to us except one that we must learn for ourselves. And that is the knowledge of good and evil. My take is that this task is the whole purpose of our time on this mortal coil. So I try very hard to tell the difference. I detect no condescension. I detect sincerity in your words. And I understand there are many who simply do not understand what I'm talking about. I bear them no ill-will. But there are saboteurs on this board that do everything they can to thwart the telling of what is, without doubt, a complex and convoluted story. Let me give you an example, using one I have managed to force off this board. His name was emad. Every time I tried to post information he would jump in. He would fry any readers brain, so they gave up in frustration. I'll cite this example, and it is far from unique, for the simple reason that I'm able to find it. <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm11.showMessage?topicID=143.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...=143.topic</a> If you simply scan my post at 9:18 AM you will see it is extremely complex, with an enormous amount of information. Yet within the space of twenty minutes another post has been added, with a completely different cast of characters, and about something completely different. The net result is to terminally confuse anybody without a clear understanding of European royalty. That indeed was the intention. If you don't believe me, try to read and comprehend my 9:18 post inside of twenty minutes. That leaves zero minutes to construct and enter a reply. And of course the whole cast of characters is a complete fabrication. But look at what happens when I object. It took me another six months to finally rid myself of emad. But there are still saboteurs, not as blatant as emad, but saboteurs nonetheless. THOSE are the ones I challenge to "take me on". ps I saw that exchange with slimmouse. In my mind slim is one of the good guys who has done everything he can to support me. I think I understand what he was getting at. I think he interpreted your words as a threat to those who might listen to less mainstream views, that it could be "bad for your health". I believe his response to you was not so much what you said, but what had been going on elsewhere, and he may have overreacted. He, too, has had to deal with saboteurs.

by **john darmy** » Sun May 21, 2006 5:40 pm

The link worked when I tried it just now, but in case it doesn't, try searching for download vatican assassins for free.

by **mother** » Sun May 21, 2006 7:24 pm

Winsome cowboy has made some very good points about RI, and I feel certain there are many people hanging back from joining discussions here due to what he has described. Anti, I will offer prayers to St. Joseph for your family. (what V. has written proves that she has not given up) What Antiaristo posts here is both so REAL-as opposed to the self-aggrandising so common at RI. And his intellect combined with his spiritual formation can only cause the most bitter jealousy among many posters here, because what he has displayed has genarally been of such high character. Some people simply cannot stand for there to be better people than they; toss in the humility and their rage is unbearable. And who was emad, I wonder?

by **antiaristo** » Sun May 21, 2006 7:57 pm

mother, Thank you and God bless you for your spiritual and moral support. You know how anti-Vatican I have become. Let me tell you about the other end of Catholicism, the good people. I went to church today, first time in two years. My partner's niece was taking her First Communion. Little Carla and her sister (her communion was two years ago) have in some ways substitured for what I have lost with Victoria and Georgia. The ceremony was beautiful. The Canarios do these things so wonderfully well. Eight shining children, six beautiful little girls in white, and two young gentlemen in their bow ties. The church was filled with white lillies and roses. It was filled with the sounds of song. Sometimes the full congregation, sometimes just the voices of the little children. It was filled with happiness. Today was my best day for a long time. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

by **rothbardian** » Sun May 21, 2006 10:15 pm

John Darmy-- The link still doesn't work but I think I found the book at vaticanassassins.org (Phelps' website). You know...the first thing I noticed is that he goes to the trouble of referring to himself as a "white American". In the context of mainstream culture, this guy (Phelps) wouldn't understand that this would cause any non-white to be instantly crestfallen...and that it would immediately attract every dimbulb white racist who ever came across his site? Wow, that is very discrediting for me. But...it's a little like getting information from somebody like Fritz Springmeier, who has some pretty disturbing personal aspects also. Internet research of all these subjects is not for the fainthearted, that's for sure. I'll press on to a closer scrutiny of his stuff, at some point. I've seen enough reports and things, about the Jesuits and about a criminal secretive inner core to the Catholic church to conclude...where there's smoke, there's fire.

by **mother** » Sun May 21, 2006 10:42 pm

Is an anti-Catholic bigot, etc. It's not the Jesuits, it's the satanists/masons DISGUISED as members of the Church, using the bigest, wealthiest infrastructure in the world. Phelps is useful for ignorant bigots who already hate Catholics. Like Dan Brown, he's discovered blockbuster info on some forgotten shelf. Try reading The Jesuits by former S.J. Malachi Martin, who is not a raving bigot and is 10 times smarter than Phelps. Listen to some of Malachi Martin's interviews for free online, Michael Corbin of 4acloserlook.com Phelps doesn't stand a chance in comparison to Malachi Martin.

by **thoughtographer** » Mon May 22, 2006 1:02 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>But there are saboteurs on this board that do everything they can to thwart the telling of what is, without doubt, a complex and convoluted story. Let me give you an example, using one I have managed to force off this board. His name was emad.<hr></blockquote> I followed that exchange as it happened, and to me, "emad" just seemed to be another person quick to express their opinion, which isn't too strange around here. We're all guilty of that. If you're convinced that this person was intentionally adding confusion to your story, then I can't really say you're correct or incorrect, because I don't really see any proof one way or the other. If you're right, and that was the case, then the guy is a fucker and good riddance. If you're wrong, and it was just another person expressing their views on the matter, then I suppose it's possible that you contributed to driving away someone who was just trying to express their opinion -- whether they were "right" or "wrong", I suppose it doesn't matter. In the end, it doesn't make a difference to me. People come and go, and if that guy was just an independent voice, he'll suck it up and return to express his opinion again another day or he won't -- it ultimately does no harm either way as I see it. Anyway, I'm glad to see that you're in better spirits, and I appreciate the efforts of others to help make sense of your story. Do you have a blog? That format would probably serve your purposes a little better, as you could elaborate and consolidate the issues you're dealing with to your heart's content without having to worry so much about sabotage, vandalism and misunderstanding. I'm not saying you should stop posting about this stuff here, but it would probably make for a better point of departure and keep everything in one place. I was just talking with a friend yesterday about the beneficial aspects of religious ritual, and Catholic ritual, to be specific. It's interesting to come back here and see everyone talking about the same thing. Peace. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

Was the Titanic Sunk On Purpose?

Re: Hyperbolic nonsense

Re: Hyperbolic nonsense

Re: Hyperbolic nonsense

Negativity

Re: Negativity

Re: Negativity

Re: Negativity

Re: Negativity

Re: Negativity

download vatican assassins for free

Negativity

Positive Things

Phelps...white American?

Phelps besides being white

Re: Phelps besides being white

Who is online