Link to a blog about pedo/military

by **havanagilla** » Fri May 05, 2006 11:22 am

Well, our "channels" here also know a lot about the nature of Jews, but in the reverse (how unique and chosen...etc.). I have to look at it both ways, you see. That's why I am with you ON THAT issue (namely, the politics of channelling... and the amoral or super moral nature of mysticism and mystic "knowledge"). The nine is a good example, in that you have the "Israeli" in it, in order to cover up the Nazi elemnts of the channeled material. I sometimes feel, that like Uri Geller, my gov is playing the same role in the larger picture, giving the fiat to questionable leaders, ideas. So, are they all "hypnotized" by the bad guys ? I dont' rule it out, but it is far fetched also and quite scary. I do feel, that the Nazis for instance, did "hypnotize" their victims, in a way, so this is possible on grand scale, I suppose. Which only makes it more urgent to scream gewald. What is your take, then on Geller ? a victims of brainwashing ? or willing victim ? a fool who stepped into a clever "bait and switch" trap ? or does he have accountability or "agency" in this matter ? I don't know, I read some about him, and my impression was that the Israeli gov "sold" him as a pet toy to the CIA Puahrich, in fact the IDF "discovered" him, and then let him be snatched, I suppose knowingly. But then he is older now, and I suppose free, and he hasn't talked about MC or joined our website to tell us about experiments on him. He seems happy go lucky VERY RICH in London. There was one little indication here in our blogosphere that the local spooks want him back here to run their experiments on "messianic figures". (it was an article by someone i dno't like who deals with the occult/sci fi and appears to be financed by the gov). --- As for the website. Yes, the links are good, the appearance and ideas are good, I was moved by the last photo and copied it into my blog (the Iraqi man, hooded, with his little child..horrible and heartbreaking). I also noticed that it is about Israel only, but unlike you I guess, this doesn't ring tons of bells for me. First, it could be an Israeli in disguise, or a Jew who has a special interest, OR someone trying to dig into Mossad of all others, as an org that works WITH the CIA, which is the ultimate devil, right ? for you, these zooming on Jews/ Israel is indicative of something else. But again, we come from another perspective, you have to understand that. I ALWAYS read stuff which is ONLY about Jews and Israel, because this is my culture and nation. It doesnt ring any bell for me. Would a website dealing ONLY with the USA be "suspect" for you ? here RI, a Canadian website, dealing with the USA only, or almost exclusively. So OK, the US is the KIng of EMpires, but still..there are other culprits around. And since Israel is the main Vassal of the Empire, it follows it will receive some of the limelights. Can't eat the cake and leave it whole, right ? there's a price for prominence and power. --- I sometimes think that this is a very American problem, namely, being unable to step into the shoes of someone who is not an american, and try to imagine how the world looks from here. -- Lastly, even if the blog is written by Himler, it can still have some material of use. Even in order to see what is being "cooked" there. I was actually going to ask Blanc, who had mentioned I think that she is situated in France and was "into" the Dutroux situation, in particular the Sharon connection to the legal situation over there. Perhaps this kind of blog is serving also as "source" to those speculations, in which case it would be wise to apply discrimination.-- googling Eisenberg and Wackenhut, produces only....Rafi Eitan. Strange, this man is like a pest. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 5/5/06 12:39 pm

by **Dreams End** » Fri May 05, 2006 4:36 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>What is your take, then on Geller ?<hr></blockquote> I don't know. I do know that our own CIA, indeed our own MKULTRA, utilized stage magicians for various things. So maybe he just caught their eye and signed up. But I won't "debunk" him because I don't know enough. I DO know that one of the tests that "proved" his abilities was done at SRI by the Scientology/military intel folks there. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Lastly, even if the blog is written by Himler, it can still have some material of use<hr></blockquote> That is not a great approach. You'll spend more time weeding out bad info AND defending your reasons for relying on those sources. Except for the stuff that was not sourced or poorly sourced, I didn't see anything in his Dutroux stuff that can't be found elsewhere. And as an added bonus, you can find MUCH better material about Dutroux's very obvious connections to rightwing politicians in Belgium. If someone says Mossad killed Gerald Bull, I'd expect at least an attempt at providing proof. However, someone killed him and with his CIA connections and Mossad connections and arms dealer status, the list of suspects is large. I was most intrigued by the claim that he was killed after consulting with John DeCamp. Not because I believe that necessarily but because the claim was made and the two were linked. Since one of the few sources I've found going into Eisenberg as the heart of the NWO/Zionist plot to rule the world is from Larouche, and given Anton Chaitkin's involvement with DeCamp, it definitely caught my eye. I will be careful to remember that these folks do simply read each others writings, so similar themes does not prove causality, but with DeCamp claiming CIA ex-chief Colby as a friend and, indeed, with Colby making a statement on the Franklin Coverup video and then Bull evidently (but that, too was unsourced) a friend of Bill, so to speak...and with the Larouche connection, it does seem an area that might yield some interesting connections. I've grown pretty concerned about the possibility that Larouche's job is to be first on the scene at real revelations, such as with Franklin, to muddy the waters and discredit the story by pushing it too far. The late, lamented proldic felt this is just because the left won't deal with such issues, so there is a vacuum there waiting to be filled. Surely that is true. But also I feel DeCamp really pushed Bonnaci into making additional connections that were possibly not real...it was all so "neat" how Bonnaci kidnapped Gosch AND went to Bohemian Grove AND saw the President, etc. Remember, the reason he won his judgment against Larry King is because King didn't show. While the judge felt the case was not frivolous, there was no findings of fact whatsoever. In addition, Bonnaci actually testified as an alter and as far as I know, while there WERE psychological exams by shrinks who confirmed he was MPD, he was not receiving mental health care. So I really worry about this contamination. further, Larouche has been the main, non-fundamentalist "investigators" into SRA ("Is Satan in Your Schoolyard" was one pamphlet.) Again, this doesn't mean there's nothing to it...in fact, I'm growing to believe that when Larouche shows up there IS a lot of fire under the smoke....but he tends to just add more smoke. And he is the epitome of has "some good information". Try teasing it out from the disinfo. He and his researchers are quite brilliant and to sort through just one article to confirm or rebut each fact is very hard. This is why I don't bother to use them as a source, despite knowing he has one of the most sophisticated private intel networks in the world, and has even provided intel to Presidents. Listen to the MP3, though and you'll be less impressed with our current subject. While he is dispassionate and anxious to even change subjects when things like Jewish Tribal Review come up, he doesn't really seem to have much mastery of the facts. And actually spends a good deal of time talking about how the sex trade and child porn are highly exaggerated. Odd position for him to take, given his website, no?

by **havanagilla** » Fri May 05, 2006 5:03 pm

thanks for the overview. I need to look into larouche, never read anything by him and only watched you guys fight over him. De Camp et al, are also unfamiliar to me. I read the Franklin cover up only here on RI, for the first time, recently. So you see, these are really very preliminary steps in the vast jungle of conspiracy theory etc. Though I think I am getting a little bit on top of the rough map/chart, lately. I know what you mean about someone who although acknowledges conspiracies, gives them a crazy twist that eventually undermines the truth and exposure. I think Barry Chamish has done that here, in several cases, where he jumps from hard evidence (and good investigations too) into UFOs and the Sabbatai Zevi devil worshipping Labor party etc. This creates a psychological "association" between the claim of "conspiracy" and "nutcases", and in the long run, burries any attempt to sort the chaffe from the other thing. I am not sure these are "agents' or they are just fanatic right wingers whose sole interest is in spinning everything to their own narrow political agenda. But since Chamish in Israel is practically the only one willing to get into the darker aspects of our life here under dictatorship, one has to resort to his writings, and do the work of careful reading. Recently, though, there are several more from his camp (ultra right wingers) who are doing "conspiracy" writings (re, the Pollard affair, with the same goal of trashing the labor, but perhaps justly so), and they are more sane, but still very unreliable and manipulative. They get their information from insiders, based on the fact that they can be 'trusted" not to damage national interests, so certainly they will give a limited hangout version. But really, prodlic then is right. In Israel the left is GONE and will not touch those issues AT ALL. So much so, that a friend of mine who is an activist who had enough guts to occasionally publish in his newsletter (financed by a german foundation that cannot be touched) some "conspiracies" from a radical left wing position, has now given up on the left here, and refuses to cooperate with their NGO's and coalitions etc. He says that even the religious right wingers have more guts and integrity. I don't know if this is as bad over there, but here certainly one cannot keep waiting for ever for the left/human rights community to wake up. The rabin Assassination was exposed to some degree only after Mk Miki Eitan (with right wingers info) published the secret documents ONLINE (and against the law) in which the AG approved the provocateur "Champaigne" to create a bogus "extreme" org, called Ayal, in order to inflitrate the rignt wing. etc etc. Nobody on the left was going to do that. Although, Prof. Harsagor, a prominent, left wing Brilliant (old timer) historian, did put his reputation on the line, declaring the assassination a "plot". But he is not an activist, and so his comments cannot shake up the system. -- as for the G,Bull situation, the only "news" for me was that he was Canadian, I didn't know that, and it might shed some light on other issues. -- One last positive point for this blog, I hope you don't have anything to say about that, is the redefinition of the Mossad sexpionage activity as violation of children's rights. usually, this is not mentioned at all, and I find it refreshing. -- I think my next learning step is to pick up Larouche and see what this is all about. I was just not up to it.

by **Dreams End** » Fri May 05, 2006 5:14 pm

Larouche may not be relevant to this guy at all. Just some interesting associations that may come to nothing. If you want to understand this guy, learn about LKJ, there's some stuff somewhere in the archives though I've no idea where. The "sexpionage" thing makes me think about Project Monarch (edited out a pesky "y"), the often cited but never proven program of the CIA to train such sex spies (they either spy or do their thing to get blackmail material.) I have zero problem believing this happens (we have some official confirmation of similar when one MKULTRA guy (White? Doing this from memory) set up the houses in San Francisco and hired prostitutes to bring in men who were fed LSD. The official purpose, bad enough, of course, was to test LSD on unwitting suspects. I imagine that getting some nice photos of the action was another motive. As one person has said, "The CIA has a second reason for EVERYTHING they do." I often wonder why no one talks about Candy Jones these days. I don't think her case was discredited and her memories came BEFORE many of the MKULTRA activities came to light in Congressional testimony. For some reason, no sites talking about MC now really mention her much. Maybe her story fell apart but I've never seen a refutation, and it was the earliest such story. By the way, a guy I know swears there is a book about a guy in the army who was MPD and was given hundreds of undercover assignments to the extent he had no idea what his real personality was. Different from what we are talking about, as he remembers these assignments, but my friend says there was definitely an MPD component. Anyone heard of this book? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 5/5/06 8:10 pm

by **havanagilla** » Fri May 05, 2006 5:54 pm

Monarch (as in the butterfly), i am told. I wanted to check larouche out anyway. You don't have to go as far as complex monarch projects to know that espionage ALWAYS used sex, especially the KGB and Stasi were known for it, at least in popular detective stories. So, the methods of controling the process probably improve by the hour, using drugs both on the prostitute and the target, filming techniques, luring techniques, hypnosis and what not. It boils down (for me) that there is zero awareness to the level and extent of abuse by gov agencies, in using the baits. Namely, while Mata Hari is described as a willing career lady, reality is (I guess, no facts to support except Ostrovsky) that this is an undustry of gov' sex slavery. It mostly harms women (and minors) but recently I think men are victimized as well, with growing awareness to homosexual prostitution, and of course pedo tastes among key officials and targets. Has anyone started an NGO to protect us, the public, from this growing phenomenon ? not that I know. Even anti slavery groups don't deal with that. -- In Israel while trying to sort out my situation, I found out there is a whole large groups of gov slaves, known here as "MAshtap" (collaborator ?) and "sayaan" (assistant), both sounding so nice and "voluntary" almost scouts clubs. The truth is that there numerous secret law suits filed on behalf of citizens (many arabs, but NOTONLY) who were "used and thrown" for various activities, some of them very damaging. The most famous example are the people who are placed in prison cells in order to elicit statements from suspects (Medovev, in Hebrew). These are almost always civilians and not payroll workers, because they have to replace them when they get "burnt". And they are coerced to do that. -- So, I think this is a universal problem, not sufficiently exposed, and generally all gov'ts have the interest to keep it low. (that's their only mutual interest I guess). The MC/Monarch atrocities are in fact a method, along those lines, to "recruit" non workers, or slaves for dirty jobs. This is different from the case you mention with a professional/payroll soldier/spy. We are looking at an institutionalized slavery, which is the worst kind of slavery because usually it is for degrading, harming, dangerous and many times lethal "jobs" by people who don't even have pension, medical coverage, not to mention dignity and even ex post facto recognition. Usually, if someone is suspected of being such a slave they are generally treated by the public as "recruits", nobody looks into their status, thats the last thing on anyone's plate. there is one book in Hebrew, by ex-commando (those underwater people), who explained the brainwashing/MPD machinary which is called 'training" in his unit. He said that the methods are so deep, that even 20 years after leaving the military, if he will get the "cue", he will automatically kill. whoever. (author, Hagai Linik). He was not very warmly greeted by his colleagues or the military, for this exposure.

by **NavnDansk** » Mon May 08, 2006 7:13 am

word "offensive" in your postings as well as "intimidating". <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Hava, I hold you to know different standard than I do anyone else...as I think I've made abundantly clear, and have angered many in the process. Sorry for those who felt "intimidated". I would suggest that if someone feels intimidated posting anonymously on a bulletin board there may be deeper issues and a break from posting might be in order.<hr></blockquote> Starman was used a more polite word intimidating but I stopped reading most of your posts in the 911 thread because of the insulting tone which is boring and offensive and distracting. I noticed in another thread that in making a completely different point that you started out making a nasty crack about your own definition of neocon as a gratuitous insult aimed at me. If a number of people tell you that you are offensive or intimidating in your style maybe you should re-read your posts and think about it rather than telling other people they shouldn't post. I think that you are the one with issues that You need to start thinking about dealing with. For myself, I will go back to scrolling through your posts without reading even if people are unwise enough to respond to your insults and let you highjack threads and ideas that people might feel free to discuss if they would all scroll through your posts without reading. What ever good or interesting points you might make are lost in your insulting language and attitude and it is not worth the time and energy to even read it much less respond to it.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|">

by **Dreams End** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:37 am

I responded to you, navndanks, in the neocon thread. You know, the thread about neocons that I "hijacked" by talking about neocons. So I will stop talking about this "Defense of the Innocents" blog and return this thread to its original topic...the "Defense of the Innocents" blog. Sorry to have gotten off topic.

by **havanagilla** » Mon May 22, 2006 8:04 pm

Andy Martin who is mentioned by the blogger here as "expert on intel" has interesting bio. I checked his website, he is a lawyer, a candidate in Illinois (R) but also has a communication company. It says that he was the first to broadcast (in the internet ?) from Iraq after the war. and that he has "35 years experience in the Middle East" ??? www.andymartin.com so either he is lying, or he is CIA or ...what?

by **Dreams End** » Tue May 23, 2006 12:05 am

hava: Google, or at least <a href="http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm">scroogle</a> really is your friend. Instead of posting stuff like this, take a few extra minutes to do your own investigation before posting this stuff. You leave it for others to find these things out AND to get jumped on for doing so. But this guy, as was quite clear from his website, is just what I said he was. I don't need to dispute everything on that site, and certainly don't have time to run down every unsourced fact he provides. If that's important to you, then YOU do the research. Here...two mouseclicks way you'll find this: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Perennial candidate back for another race The self-styled consumer advocate has run unsuccessfully for office for more than 3 decades By John Chase and Rick Pearson Tribune staff reporters Published February 10, 2006 Dressed in a green sport coat, khakis and a beat-up pair of New Balance running shoes, Andy Martin stood on a downtown Chicago sidewalk recently for one of his numerous news conferences to deliver a message to the voters of Illinois. "The bottom line is, the momentum has shifted," the 60-year-old Republican candidate for governor told a lone reporter. "There's an awareness statewide now that I'm a fully fledged player in this race." That's a view Martin has often espoused in more than three decades of unsuccessfully running for offices ranging from county clerk and mayor to legislator on to Congress and the presidency--sometimes as a Republican, other times as a Democrat--in Illinois, Florida and Connecticut. Though his ads featuring "Stars and Stripes Forever" have aired on Chicago radio stations, political organizations, debate planners and the media usually shun Martin. More than just a perennial candidate, he bills himself as a self-styled consumer advocate willing to take on Microsoft, housing developers and other firms with legal action. "I have 40 years of exceptional public service. Successful public service," Martin said in a recent letter addressed to the Tribune. "And true integrity fighting public corruption." Yet the Illinois Supreme Court denied him a law license, saying he lacked the fitness to be an attorney. Federal courts have repeatedly sanctioned him for what judges have said is his filing of hundreds of largely meritless legal actions. He's had several stints in jail. He has repeatedly refused to answer questions from the Tribune and has in the past unsuccessfully sued the newspaper for libel. On Thursday, during a telephone news conference, he threatened to sue the Tribune over a recent poll on candidates for governor that showed he had support from fewer than 1 percent of likely Republican voters. Martin also has expressed anti-Semitic attitudes in the past. When he ran for Congress in Connecticut in 1986, the name of his congressional campaign committee included the phrase "to exterminate Jew power in America," Federal Election Commission records show. In a 1983 personal bankruptcy case, he referred to a federal bankruptcy judge as a "crooked, slimy Jew, who has a history of lying and thieving common to members of his race." In a related court filing in the case, he also expressed sympathy to the perpetrators of the Holocaust. "I am able to understand how the Holocaust took place, and with every passing day feel less and less sorry that it did, when Jew survivors are operating as a wolf pack to steal my property," Martin wrote in an April 21, 1983, personal bankruptcy proceeding. In 1973, the Illinois Supreme Court refused to allow Martin admission to the bar. The court's decision noted that Martin, a University of Illinois law school graduate who was previously known by the name Anthony R. Martin-Trigona, had a Selective Service record that showed he had a "moderately-severe character defect manifested by well documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character." Still, the court noted that "issues raised as to [Martin's] mental stability" did not need to be considered in light of other matters it cited in deciding that Martin lacked the qualities of "responsibility, candor, fairness, self-restraint, objectivity and respect for the judicial system" required for the administration of justice. Among issues the high court cited in denying his law license were Martin's criticism of members of a bar review panel as "emotionally ill" and "scum," his filing of a petition asking that a parking violation be lifted because it was "entered by an insane judge" and his description of an attorney as "shaking and tottering and drooling like an idiot," according to court records. A decade later, the federal court system began issuing sanctions against Martin for his filing of what one federal judge, Edward Weinfeld of New York, termed as "a substantial number of lawsuits of a vexatious, frivolous and scandalous nature." The courts eventually required him to obtain prior approval to file any legal action at any federal court. The restrictions require that judges, who are not identified to Martin, decide whether the filings have merit and should proceed. The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals noted Martin's litigious conduct appeared to be an attempt to "harass persons who have unluckily crossed his path." The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago noted Martin's tendency "to exaggerate, to believe himself the victim of conspiracies where none exist, and to suspect without any reasonable basis that others are persecuting him." Martin often touts his background as an assistant to the late U.S. Sen. Paul Douglas (D-Ill.). Martin told a U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee hearing in 1975 that his service was as a summer intern for Douglas in 1966 and that he received $152 in pay. Martin is currently registered to vote in two locations, one in Chicago and another in Florida, according to an election official in Florida and records in Chicago. But those same sources show Martin has not cast a vote in Chicago since he registered in 2003 or in Florida since 1996. Still, Martin has run or attempted to run for public offices in Illinois and Florida numerous times since 1996, including for the U.S. Senate in Florida in 1998 and 2004, the presidency in 2000 and Florida governor in 2002. In 1998, Martin was on the ballot in Florida and received 184,739 votes, or 33.6 percent, in the GOP primary for U.S. Senate. In 1996, he was the Republican nominee in Florida for a seat in the state Senate. He received 31,919 votes, or 27.4 percent of the vote. In his current campaign, Martin has quoted from a 1978 Tribune editorial that called him "an absolutely brilliant campaigner" when he was running as a Democrat for U.S. Senate. But the rest of the editorial, which Martin does not quote, added that he "has no more business in the U.S. Senate than an elk has in a phone booth." Martin has also had run-ins with the law. In 1980, he was sentenced to 12 years in federal prison after being convicted of mail fraud. The conviction was later overturned. Federal Bureau of Prisons records show Martin has spent several stints in several federal prisons on issues related to contempt of court. Back in Florida, Palm Beach County Court officials say an arrest warrant for him remains active. Officials with the Palm Beach clerk's office said the warrant is still outstanding for Martin for violation of probation, stemming from a 1996 criminal mischief case in which he damaged a video camera belonging to a local TV station covering his campaign for state Senate. A judge ordered Martin to spend several months in jail but a paperwork glitch resulted in Martin's release after only about one month. They say he still has several months left to serve. ---------- rap30@aol.com http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/elections/chi-0602100246feb10,1,2368341.story?coll=chi-elections-topleft<hr></blockquote>

by **havanagilla** » Tue May 23, 2006 3:23 am

:-) quite a character. I thought there were several andy martins. he is a crook. thanks

by **blanc** » Tue May 23, 2006 4:52 am

I left this thread alone, mainly because finding a link to someone who said he lived in France and wrote a lot about Dutroux, and yet gave a blame the jews flavour to his info gave me a bad dose of the creeps. yet also I was stunned that linking gerald bull's assassination to Mossad seemed news to everyone. I read of this in a book on the supergun some years ago, can't now give you the title (because its somewhere in a pile 500 miles away) but a quick google led me to a site which summarises this same opinion. what counter opinions are there to his assassination? I understood he got warnings - the things moved in his appartment when he was out kind, then was shot 5 times in the head. It seemed pretty plausible that Isreal would not have been keen for iraq to have a supergun at that time. other hypotheses? Loveable though this boffin was it had not seemed to me to be crime of the same kind or order as mc/ra, which victimises small helpless beings who are of no threat to anyone, in order to use them unwittingly or unwillingly to threaten others.

by **havanagilla** » Tue May 23, 2006 5:17 am

yes, the rumours (or self glorification ?) here was that its Israel and that's part of war, i don't see it as interesting at all, except if it has connectoin to sra networks. -- the only other item of interest for ME was that he is canadian. I think everyone here thought he was belgian. (although thinking about it now the name is more anglo, but could also be anything else). Perhaps it was considered "faux pas" in terms of the relations bn the two governments, but I don't know who faux pased first. -- Problem again, with this website and others (thanks to DE I can see more of the connections) is that for some reason the only ones dealing with the SRA stuff are professed antisemites which kind of makes their motivation suck. Of course this is again damaging the children's cause, so these people do twice the damage (first spreading racial hate and placing the lid FOREVER on independent investigation, which is now tainted in the eyes of the public with narrow interests). -- Possibly, there are no saints around to just think about the children of ALL NATIONS. Therefore is should possibly be a UN priority, except that the UN turns out to traffick in women and chidlren for sex as well (the CONgo, for once). So, we are left with GOd, I guess, to take care of that.

by **AlicetheCurious** » Tue May 23, 2006 8:58 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>...for some reason the only ones dealing with the SRA stuff are professed antisemites which kind of makes their motivation suck. Of course this is again damaging the children's cause, so these people do twice the damage (first spreading racial hate and placing the lid FOREVER on independent investigation, which is now tainted in the eyes of the public with narrow interests).<hr></blockquote> Very interesting point, Hava. I can only think of three explanations for this: (1) There is no SRA except in the feverish imaginations of hate-filled, paranoid individuals and their organizations; (2) SRA is widespread, but only hate-filled, paranoid individuals and their organizations are alert enough to keep track of it and determined enough to expose it; (3) Both SRA and the organizations that promote hate and paranoia are manipulated by the same puppetmaster(s). One to conduct the activity, the other to discredit any legitimate investigation -- also known as "poisoning the well". Any other thoughts?

by **havanagilla** » Tue May 23, 2006 2:56 pm

Alice, i wonder what DE has to say about it. I really don't have a good answer, and I have given it some thought. In fact it is not entirely true. Other orgs that deal with are from the established religions (all three that I know). They are not rigorous or totally impartial baout it, but they are at least dealing with it. But its not in the internet, so only those who found refuge know about it. Of course it reinforces their agenda, God/Devil etc., but then we all reinforce our belief systems. -- The way I see it now, its the old "dead end" many threads reached here. The Cults vs. the religions, and there is no way out. Namely, you either have those Scientology oriented brainwashing OR the Moon/interfaith/fundies of the world dialogue...both leading to "doomsday" MeMe, NWO...etc. Why don't we get anything in between ? namely, a sane, secular value system...socialist, humanist, democratic... If we answered this, perhaps we'd know why there is nobody to address SRA seriously. (then there is the "third way" trap, for those who are on the "either/or" diabolic catch. But "third way" turns out to be Tony Blair and the likes, who are puppets of the same first two groups.) Maybe it is the end of the world ? --

by **thoughtographer** » Tue May 23, 2006 3:20 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The way I see it now, its the old "dead end" many threads reached here. The Cults vs. the religions, and there is no way out. Namely, you either have those Scientology oriented brainwashing OR the Moon/interfaith/fundies of the world dialogue...both leading to "doomsday" MeMe, NWO...etc. Why don't we get anything in between ? namely, a sane, secular value system...socialist, humanist, democratic...<hr></blockquote> Therein lies the problem. People shouldn't need or expect a system of values to come from an "authority", secular or otherwise. I think that expectation is a big part of the mess we're all in, and I think these particular issues show symptoms of the problem those expectations create. Before our cultures were all half-assedly "connected" to each through the wonders of technology which eventually lead to us sold the concept of a "global village", there were actual villages where these decisions were arrived at through dynamic, real human interactions -- for better, or for worse. Once the venerated elders of the village take the respect given to them by the younger generations as a matter of course, you have the seeds for future abuse of power. Future generations having this example will follow suit and strive to be future leaders, and so on... "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

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